Why does the French makes the best subs

America has their subs in the water.
USA: 1
France: 0

>>32159782
Tip: they dont.

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>>32159782

French makes the best subs... Npt even the best sandwiches m8

>says "the terrible" on the fuckin side lad

DCNS makes good subs.

>>32159897
Until their tech specs get leaked.

>>32159816
They do have subs in the water
>>32159871
Yes they do

>>32159871
Did you just literally say that?

That's like me telling you I breathe Oxygen, and you say No you don't!

>>32159782
Because they're very good in hiding...

>>32159782
Submarines are cowardice made manifest.

They hide and run away.

So it must be the French who are the best.

>>32159782
That's a really big sub

>>32159782

>Fancy new subs are confirmed by the design director to only have the same stealth as 90's subs
>Even their newest SSNs are smaller than even last gen's NATO SSNs other than French ones
>Literally almost half the cruise missile range

Cool that they're nuclear, fun that they have some SSBNs, but they're nothing special. Kinda boring looking too.

>>32160129
Let your mother

>>32160104
uuuu

>>32159782
They sink by design.

Saves the crew the hassle of scuttling the vessel when danger approaches.

>Why does the French
>does the French
'The French' is a mass noun, conjugate as if it were les gens françaises, famalielam.

>>32159782
It has terrible written all over it, literally.

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>>32160088

>>32160088
kek

ITT : butthurt neckbeards.
Get rekt, amerifats.

>>32159782
No they not, my country brought 2 Scorpene class subs, and they have been in docks for a decade already...
Maybe, is just my country that suck, no qualified crews to manned it or the subs weren't maintained at all.

>>32159782
how's the enemy supposed to see the white flag once she's underwater

>>32159782
Superior genetics.

Can anyone give real fact about french submarine instead of 'muh it's ze best' or 'muh tis iz shit'

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>>32164016
French subs are like undersea Mirages.

Super sexy, 100% French made, superior electronics and unique

>>32164016

France is the only Western country making both conventional and nuclear powered submarines.

That said, their nuclear submarines are a bit small, and their conventional submarine exports are historically mired in corruption

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shaariibuugiin_Altantuyaa#Relations_to_Abdul_Razak_Baginda

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karachi_affair

Though, Australia has just bought a load of coventionally powered Barracudas, which would fill me with more confidence if Australia hadn't bought a bunch of lemons from European defence companies before (like the Tiger and NH-90).

>>32164414
>implying not every single company went trough corruption

>>32163205
It's mounted on the periscope!
That way they don't even surface.

>>32164414
Tiger is getting canned though

>>32164426

Right but French submarine exports seem to be particularly badly affected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpene_deal_scam

>>32164414
>which would fill me with more confidence if Australia hadn't bought a bunch of lemons from European defence companies before (like the Tiger and NH-90).

don't remind me
don't even know why we went with the french deal desu, subs just didn't seem as capable

>>32164518

It just seems weird to me. Why take a risk on a shrunken conventional conversion of a new unproven design instead of an expanded version of a proven design with the German 214, or the upgraded Li battery version of the Soryu.

I can only presume that there was something in the technology transfer or industrial offset that was better than the alternatives.

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>>32164481
Thank god, Apaches when?

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Hmm, I cant remember hearing about a French sub sinking a US supercarrier...

>>32162884
you from south Africa?

>>32160076
buhduhm kek

boy, was i glad coffee was down hatch when read

>>32164587
the only people who can keep them running are about to secede, try again

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>>32160088
Now that is a clever french joke.

t. Frog

>>32164643
what?

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>>32159782
>LE TERRIBLE

>>32164678
every last bit of the basing and support infrastructure belongs to the Scots, fampai

>>32164696

Basing of the Swedish HMS Gotland, or the French subs?

I still dont get what the Scots has to do with anything in my post.

>>32164704
ah, shit, didn't read filename properly automatically assumed you were shilling britbongs from the prefix. Just me being retarded, carry on

>>32164414
Making terrible short sighted decisions on equipment purchases is what our military dose best.

Like buying vehicles without radios and paying someone to fit them later.

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>>32164725
>terrible short sighted decisions on equipment
>best
>not teatards (ft. pic related)
Try again anon

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>>32164576
Around 2020 apparently

>>32164791

Oh please, the L85A2 is now an ok serviceable weapon, if you want a massive fuck up, I nominate the Type 45 destroyer procurement.

> NFR-90 project wastes money and time then gets cancelled.
> CNGF project UK withdraws over disagreements wasting more time and money
> UK own program super expensive, orders cut from 12 to 8, then to 6 ships.
> Ship armament underpowered, only some ships getting old Harpoons, only air defence role with only 48 non-strike length VLS.
> Turns out that the engines were a flawed design and overheat on operations in warm water requiring replacement.
> Seems that even those fitted with Harpoons are going to lose them in 2018 anyway.

>>32164855
I swear I was on 4chan but it seems like I'm on the Daily Mail online???

How the fuck did this happen?

>>32164863

Granted, the Type-45 unlike some other programs (like, say, the Nimrod MRA4) has produced something world-class at the end of it. But criticising the program is hardly Daily Mail clickbait, it's established fact.

>>32164899
Your "points" of criticism are daily mail tier tabloid bullshit though, so there is that.

>>32159782
Because subs are excellent at hiding.

>>32160088
Came here to post exactly this. Thank you, Anon.

>>32160624
Or the British...

>>32164908

How are they bullshit. The concept of a very big powerful AESA radar mounted as high as possible combined with a capable long range SAM system is a sound one for a country wanting to operate a carrier battle group, but the amount of money it has taken to achieve the capabilities it has is silly.

>>32164791
>falling for the SA80 meme again
>or baiting this hard
Seriously? Yeah, there were serious teething problems, but at least the britbongs overcompensated - last I heard the A2 version was comfortably trouncing the M4 (as well as half the service rifles in NATO and most proposed replacements) in reliability tests.

That being said, bullpups are bad and you should feel bad.

>>32164855
>No other nation has ever fucked up their procurement process
>What even was the F-22 oxygen supply issue
>or Charles De Gaulle's propeller shit
>or the hilarious farce that happens every time the US wants something shiny and new to replace the M4/M16

>>32160088
>implying submarine warfare is still a thing and not mobile nuke platforms

please pleb, lrn2war

>>32164643
Scotland isn't going anywhere

>>32165086

I was just pointing out that the L85A2 is hardly the biggest procurement fuck up by the MoD. Though if you insist.

F22 is still the worlds greatest air superiority fighter. yes it was expensive, but it has maintained US air supremacy.

CdG is flawed, but the fact remains that France operates (sometimes) a CATOBAR CVN.

Eh, American small arms procurement is silly, but at least they are trying to innovate. My nomination for long-term fuck ups is in IFVs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Fighting_Vehicle#History

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Combat_Systems_Manned_Ground_Vehicles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_Combat_Vehicle

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/ffv.htm

>>32164043
>Xav

Damn that self important canadian is insufferable

>>32159782
french has a natural affinity for big black tube shaped objects

>>32164855

> CNGF project UK withdraws over disagreements

Thats a funny way to try to avoid saying "over the Horizon being completely incapable of of the level of air defense the UK wanted from their air defense destroyer."

They wanted a destroyer that could throw a bubble over an entire force, not just a "certain direction of the frigate", and have much more precise targeting information. Thats why they went with the dual-sided AESA they did, as opposed to Horizon's smaller, single sided PESA. As described by the journal of electronic defence:

"The compromise which largely solved this problem was the adoption of a standard radar interface which allowed France and Italy to install the EMPAR radar and the UK to install the more capable SAMPSON – the SAMPSON radar has a higher data rate and an adaptive beam that allows a greater ability to track multiple targets, long-range detection of low-RCS targets, a lower false-alarm rate, and overall higher tracking accuracy."

They also knew they wanted to go to BMD in the future, which Horizon has no supported radar for. (And no, the S1850M is not BMD capable, not until the new version which Horizon doesn't have.)

They also wanted to push for better mobility, hence going IEP. The "issues" are literally F-35 tier of over-reported. They've had 95+% availability across a decade of service now, and the "problem" can only occur during peacetime engine operation anyway. It has to be moving in economy mode, with only a single WR-21 active and no additional diesels running for it to occur. ie - Only when in peacetime fuel saving mode.

>>32164518
Did they decide on Soryu? Wouldve been cool to see the SAAB sub

>>32165367
Chuckles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_submarine_Saphir_(S602)

https://theaviationist.com/2015/03/05/us-aircraft-carrier-sunk-by-subs/

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/162488/how-a-30_year-old-french-sub-sank-a-us-carrier-group.html

Damn, I love my country !

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>>32159816
>America has their subs in the water.
Won't they rust then?

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>>32159782
That's an odd way to spell British.

>>32164587
>not sinking the entire battle group

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/162488/how-a-30_year-old-french-sub-sank-a-us-carrier-group.html

I work at the DCNS, ask me anything (im not a blue collar so i can answer stuff)

>>32166885
Vous auriez un stage pour moi?

>>32166859
>The French Ministry of Defence has deleted from its website a news story relating how one of its nuclear-powered attack submarines, Saphir penetrated a US Navy carrier group and fictitiously “sank” the US Navy aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt as well as several of its surface escorts (Ticonderoga-class cruisers and Arleigh Burke-class destroyers).

kek rekt

>>32166915
Envoyez nous une lettre

>>32166952
Ce sera fait dans les plus brefs délais, je vous remercie de votre considération et vous addresse mes salutations distinguées.

Cordialement,
Anon

>>32164855
The biggest fuck up with its procurement was it's order being so small and then being cut on top of that.

The no missiles thing will hopefully be straightened out soon. They got rid of the Harpoon block Is that don't even have a data link and with the purchase of P8s that are armed with harpoons, it is likely the RN will buy some extra for its ships.

But I agree to an extent, the Type 45 has had a rough time

You just cant troll french military technologies !

Except for the Famas, wich is being outdated, we're standing close to US and Russia !

>>32159871
Are you retarded ? French subs and warships are at the cutting edge of technology...

>>32164489
Yeah well, you can understand how pissed Us contractors are that despite all theses state subventions they get beat by the puny French...

>>32164587
Wasn't there a report of a single outdated french sub rekting an entire us fleet?

>>32167283
yup
>>32166581
>>32166859

>>32166488
The Type 45 doesn't have that radar either. Plus there won't be a BMD-capable Aster missile any time soon.

>yfw the Dutch got a more capable ship for practically half the price

>>32159782
The bread is the right shape.

>>32167371

>The Type 45 doesn't have that radar either.

Except it does, SAMPSON can do BMD. It's already proven it can operate as one in the Pacific during testing with the USN.

https://rusi.org/sites/default/files/201508_op_ballistic_missile_defence.pdf

Now it just needs the Aster upgrade, which is already on path, likely in exchange for Brimstones on the Tiger.

>>32159782

I wonder that too, French Dips are amazing sandwiches

>>32166671
You mean Retarded there Limey

>>32167271

Right, France has beaten all those US submarine export bids...

Which don't exist.

The amount of "my country is better than yours" shitposting is astounding. It's like /k/ is full of 15yo posters

>>32160104
Now is not the time for subs. First add water.

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>>32164587
>>32166859

DELET THIS

>>32166488
>over the Horizon being completely incapable of of the level of air defense the UK wanted
t h i s

Seriously, after being the only western nation being on the receiving end of proper ASMs in anger (sandnigger ripoffs of chinese ripoffs of harpoons don't count), who the fuck thought the britbongs would let them flog them sub-par air defence kit?

I suppose this is a decent place to ask this.

Can someone give me a quick rundown on Kalibr? I can't make heads or tails of all the different versions; launch platforms, domestic vs export, 3M-54 or 3M-14, ect.

>>32167403
underrated

>>32168221
No, start your own thread faggot

>>32164043

Out of date and named after a false image clung to by the desperate?

>>32168196
So instead they got flogged half a dozen of what are basically overpriced, underperforming prototypes, gg Teatards

>>32168235
That'd be kinda retarded, considering it'doesn't be a two post, question-answer, worthless nothing thread.

Is it too off topic to discuss a sub-launched weapon with an anti-sub capability in a sub thread?

>>32167880
I don't believe I do, yankee. Have a read again, even if your education is dogshit.

Here, don't go and spend 15 billion on a project of a new submarine and end up not purchasing any tridents because they're too expensive.

>>32164688
>be french
>have harem of beautiful white women
>have giant balls that scrape the ground as I walk
>have hot, crusty baguettes within 10 meters at all times (btw, we define what a meter is)
>ask self, how can I be more french/awesome?
>build a bunch of SSBNs and name them The Triumphant, The Terror, The Vigilant, and the The Reckless

>>32159782
french dip

>>32159782

Not sure, but remember that you still need to import your doms from Germany.

>>32168583
Actually, until recently we had the "FAMAS" wich was a French light weapon.

But since the Saint-Etienne weapons manufacturer is closed, we can't create our own guns anymore, wich is quite a shame....

When the National Front will won the elections, things are going to change, believe me...
At first, we'll stop selling military material to all those sand niggers, and we will crush their shitty countries....

>>32168729
>we

You won't do shit anon.