US made AKs

>>32155392
Wut? Some of the best AKs are made in the states.

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>>32155405
>Wut? Some of the best AKs are made in the states.
pfffffft, gotta love that century and IO quality, amirite?

>>32155419
>thinking those are the only people in the states putting together AKs
>actually using that as a standard for comparison
Uh no

>>32155431
I didn't say that're the only ones that made AKs in the states, but everyone else that makes AKs have majority sub par AKs at best, that or you will be paying almost twice the price of an arsenal for something of decent quality.

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>>32155431
>being muslim(or any religion)
Why would I listen to someone who believes in fairy tales?

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>>32155419
>Muslimbro
>still a retard
Been awhile. Never change /k/

>>32155445
You have to pay but they don't suck. IO is one of the few companies still left producing shit AKs. Century has even improved. Krebs, AKUSA, DA and rifle dynamics are all among the best you can get.
>>32155461
>has no rebuttal
>just ad hominem
Easy there nogunz

>>32155392
Posted from a thread yesterday
1/2

I think it's more a phenomenon of the post-2010 or thereabouts great increase in interest in AKs in the US. There were various reasons for this--guys coming back from the sandbox who were impressed with OPFOR's tools, various politicians threatening to ban them, etc. Anyway, this has created tremendous demand for AK rifles in the US.

WASRs are more than decent and still out there, but Cugir is a small manufacturer, and they're selling stuff to other parts of the world too, which is in flames right now--war in Ukraine, war in Syria, and on and on and on--which has increased demand for their products worldwide. Same goes for Arsenal in Bulgaria, same goes for Izhevsk, and so on. The Chinese used to sell fairly decent AKs to the US but import is now blocked.

So there is a market vacuum, which spendy imported parts kits lacking barrels cannot begin to fill. Enter manufacturers like IO, DDI, and even Century, rushing to market to cash in on the interest with products of... let us say, doubtful and uncertain quality at best.

I don't know how it is cheaper to use an expensive, borderline-exotic material like aircraft aluminum alloy to crank out acceptable and usable AR15 clones than to make AKM clones out of stamped sheet metal, but that seems to be where the market is headed.

Someone in the US just might crack the AK Mystery Code and figure out the proper alloy and heat treatment for critical parts like the front trunion, the extractor, and so on--if they think people care about it. Right now the market is flooded with shittastic overgassed AKs with garbage cast-iron trunions and extractors, and so on, that seem fine until they stop extracting fired cases (best case) or the too-soft trunion and bolt stretch and deform and peen in use until headspace exceeds safe limits and the gun goes KA-FUCKING-BOOM in someone's hands.

>>32155461
the best AK rifles are in fact made in America,problem faggot?

>>32155480
2/2
A gun shop with attached indoor range near me is still selling IO AK clones, despite three (3) so far going ka-BOOM on their attached range in front of witnesses since this spring, because they can't get WASRs or Arsenals for love or money right now.

The demand for anything vaguely Kalashnikov-shaped is so great that people are buying Century RAS and IOs and rolling the dice because the distributors and the local gun shops just plain can't get anything better right now.

>>32155392
That furniture is ugly, its so bright.

>>32155419
century doesn't make shit. they assemble together foreign made parts... badly

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>>32155467
>You have to pay
(way too much)
>but they don't suck.
(sucking slightly less is still sucking)

>IO is one of the few companies still left producing shit AKs
So what happened to all those other state side producers of AKs? Did they just disappear or what?

>Century has even improved.
Literally the only good gun Century has to offer in terms of AKs is it's (O / N)-PAPs. But other than that they are still fairly shitty.

>Krebs, AKUSA, DA and rifle dynamics are all among the best you can get.
If that's the "best" you can get than I highly recommend you save and buy a real* AK.

(*A real foreign made one, IE Vepr, Arsenal, Saiga, etc)

>>32155467
>>32155483
Give me one fucking example of a reasonably priced, modern manufactured ak made in USA that will hold up through at least 1000 rounds with no major failures. It is just accepted fact that the gypsy aks from years past that were made of literal garbage but always reliable and at a great price is a long lost secret that no US company has solved but continue to pump out aks made from shit parts.

>>32155405
/thread

AK design is made for being cheap and quick when you make millions of them in a factory.

my cai NPAP works fine, thankfully. ive put around 200 rds through it with no problem, even some corroded "mystery ammo"

>>32155467
Putting together != manufacturing

>>32155392
Because the set-up costs around mass-producing quality AK components is astronomical, and small companies simply can't into metallurgy and manufacturing at the required scale. Every big quality AK manufacturer in the world is descended from ComBloc state apparatus designed to arm militaries with high-quality weapons as efficiently as possible. They were all state-owned until communism collapsed and now those private entities can put out the same quality guns without any of the associated startup costs.

>>32155448
>being this autistic
Do they make glocks with sonic on them?

>>32155519
So what sucks about those rifles that I listed? Apart from cost, and even then some run around what a Gucci AR runs and they are semi custom guns.

Nope those shit companies are still around but they change owners/names so often it's hard to keep track. Lee armor is another shitty company for example, however just because these companies are shit doesn't make other shit.
>only good guns from century are o/npaps
>the worst guns they are bringing in is the best
>gun literally fell apart as rob tested it
>shipping out with wrong spec parts literally destroying peoples rifles
>best
Nope, the opaps are decent, npaps are shit, not to mention the heat treat issues they had a few years ago.

Those foreign AKs you listed aren't any better than a good American made AK. I've owned VEPRs and currently have an Arsenal.

>>32155530
Definitive arms are great rifles.
>>32155556
Where did I claim they were manufacturers? And some companies like DDI are doing that exact thing.

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>>32155554
>>32155519
>Literal retards who think Century builds PAPs

I suppose you think they build WASRs too huh?

Century is primarily an IMPORTER of guns, anons. PAPs are made in Serbia (and WASRs are made in Romania) and imported by Century. They make some slight modifications due to import restrictions and replace some parts but that's it.

The guns Century BUILDS (C39, RAS47) are garbage. The ones they IMPORT are fine.

Also the kit guns they sell (like their M70AB2s) are solid but supposedly Century farmed those out to smaller builders, so...

Pic related is a US-made AK (IO) that catastrophically failed after 5 ROUNDS that's been making the rounds today.

>>32155602
Fucking thank you anon

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>>32155602
>.t autistic faggot

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don't get me wrong there are some shitty foreign AKs too.

My AK is a bulgarian parts kit, childers 100% reciever, tapoc trigger and hammer, and a green mountain barrel. all put together by flandre.

i've put 9 magazines of 7n6 through it at the one time i have shot it. rifle performed well, only problem was the rifle got too hot to handle.

ITT kebab and anon destroy OP for being a dumbass

>>32155519
PAPs are foreign made. Century just imports them and makes them 922r compliant. Most of the problems with PAPs come from Centuries fuckery (converting single stack to double on Gen 1s and adapting WASR buttstocks to the 2016 models.

>>32155431
All the made in America brands are shit. All the good AK brands in the states just assemble the rifles and use foreign parts (the important ones anyway like trunnions, bcg's, etc.) Arsenal and DDI are the two reputable AK company's in America and they both use foreign or surplus parts. American parts a fucking shit

>>32155480
AR grade aluminum isn't borderline exotic. You can get 6061 by the ton, cheaper than good steel.

>>32155674
good ARs are made from 7075 though.

>>32155682
Still cheaper than good steel IIRC

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>>32155581
>all but 2 parts on the gun are produced in foreign factories
>assembled in the US
>this makes it American-made

OP is obviously talking about American-manufactured AKs, you dumb idiot. And they're all trash.

>DDI US-made AK breaks when AKOU tests it.
>NPAP survives
>NPAP is shit but DDI AK is good.

Oh and before you bring up the first NPAP AKOU managed to break, that was pretty clearly an out-of-spec magwell fucking with the structural integrity of the receiver, which is on Century, not Zastava.

>muh heat treat
>this has been so completely and thoroughly debunked that you're the only retard still talking about it
Seriously there are rockwell hardness tests on YouTube. I'd suggest you watch them.

Congrats, here's a gif of you

>>32155668
OP just said make which could be anything. You're talking of manufacturing and DDI is now producing in house. Also they are questionable I just bring them up to mention their manufacturing capability.
>>32155691
OP can clarify what he really meant. You have yet to provide examples of the rifles I listed as being shit. I'll be waiting kid.

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>>32155625
>company makes some guns, doesn't make others
>the ones they make at best fall apart with intended use, at worst are dangerous to the user
>it's autistic to understand the difference

>>32155708
Captcha ate my trip

>>32155392
All aks are garbage

When is PSA going to start making AKs again?

I want to buy a made-in-South-Carolina AK.

>>32155392
Because they are trying to make them as cheaply as possible.

>>32155719
>>32155722
Remember to report and ignore cancerous tripfags

>>32155392
>Why are US made AKs generally trash?
>picture of a RAS47, an AK that specifically markets itself as being completely manufactured in America

>>32155708
I think the fact that every rifle you've mentioned specifies the country of origin of the kits used to build them makes a far stronger argument that they're not "US-made" than anything I could possibly say.

>>32155392
NATO length of pull buttstock.

>>32155742
They are made in America. Parts are manufacturered in Europe. Would you say DDI is shit? They are manufacturing in the states now.

>>32155392
Because Capitalism. Cast iron short cuts too save money. Barrels as bucking bars too save labor and tool costs. We won't see a comparable quality American AK until some company with deeeeeep pockets desides to play the long game and invest in the proper tools and produce mil spec parts.

>>32155762
By all means, show me a kit gun by ANY of the manufacturers you're citing where they advertise it as "made in America."

See, the actual, legal definition of the terms you're using disagrees with you. It's why my Danner boots have to specify that they were manufactured in Vietnam and assembled in the USA. Because they actually legally can't say "Made in the USA" because they weren't.

Like, I get that "being a retard on the internet" is your whole thing and all, but god damn, dude.

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>>32155806
DDI's newest AK is US made, as in they made the parts themselves. Also most US companies are very clear if their guns are assembled from parts kits, imported or have supplemented US made parts, I'd like to see an example of one advertising a 100% US made parts rifle when it really used imported parts.

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>>32155868
> repeats my point but words it as if it's a rebuttal to my point

>>32155448
You forgot your fedora.

>>32155889
Not an argument, christfag

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>American made AK's trash

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>32155904
Dog I'm an atheist and think you're a faggot, even if you're right about muslimbro being terrible

Not >>32155889 btw

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>>32155913

holy fuck is DDI the source of that copypasta?

>>32155918
Dog I'm not even >>32155448

>>32155930
SEALpasta predates DDI by a long time. It's very, very old.

>>32155945
Yeah the difference is one of them was written as a joke, the screenshot posted was real.

So what are the good AK brands? I've seen people shit on arsenal and IO is shit, WASR is basic minimum.

>>32155729
They are making them but most of the time they are out of stock. Sign up for their email alerts if you want one

>oh look, it's this thread again

>>32155930
kek, this isn't real, is it?

>>32155954
Sometimes I don't think SEAL pasta was originally a joke

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>>32155989

Oh it's absolutely real.

>>32155930
quality customer service

>>32156037

>trying to be john willis this hard

>>32155691
>>DDI US-made AK breaks when AKOU tests it.
AKOU did a re-test of the DDI AK47 after some early QC issues were fixed and they loved it.

>>32156052

and then it failed again retard, where have you been? lrn2 akfiles

>>32155392
Because the USA is a first world country. 3rd world countries from Russia, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, etc have to account for their firearms being dragged on through the dirt, stepped on by horses, dropped in an outhouse, rusted out, etc.

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>>32155913
>My name is David Fillers, do your research

ok

>>32156027
>>32155954

P sure The SEAL pasta was originally 100% serious, but was so over the top that it became what it is today.

If you've never encountered those types of dudes good job, but as DDI shows, they absolutely exist

>>32156037
damn, this is unprofessional as fuck

sounds like they gave the guy a shit rifle, too

I'll do my best to counter-shill DDI in the future

It's what happens when you try to produce great communism in shitty capitalism

>>32155518
Century does make guns, lurk more and post less sperglord

>>32155392
>fly by night companies
>not enough head hunting from russia

Literally that is it. If we buy out a few experienced engineers from Russia and put them in a factory here its only a matter of time.

So who the fuck produces good slavshit. What's a 2016-2017 benchmark of low price/middle price/high price for AK?

>>32156913
Same as it's ever been, they just cost more now.

WASRs and Yugos are the cheapest decent AKs.

Kit guns from reputable small builders are good mid-range options. DDI's kit guns fall into this range but as has been shown they do put out lemons and they have shit customer service.

Arsenal if you've got more than a grand.

Avoid domestically-produced AKs like the plague. I've heard decent things about PSA's AKs but honestly it's still too early to know for sure.

Honestly famalam AKs and slavshit in general is fast becoming the purview of collectors rather than the solid poorfag option that it used to be, and the fact that we just put an explicit protectionist in the White House that trajectory might not reverse.

ARs are for poorfags in >current year

>>32156913
Vepr is the best AK in the world right now in my opinion. RPK receiver, thick barrels, what's not to like?

Saiga is second best, these are produced in the same factory as the rifles for the Russian military.

Arsenal is also great, most of their guns are bulgarian kits now I think. Not really worth the money since you can get a military-configuration Vepr AKM or AK-74 for $1000.

In the $600 range I'd go for a Yugo or WASR

>>32157177
>>32157025

Thanks to you both. How difficult is it to convert the VEPR over? I know there's the whole front sight/bayonet lug business.

Are domestic kit guns on bulgarian receivers worth it, ignoring DDI?

>>32155392
Ak's are trash dude.
Have you been living under a rock?
The only decent ak manufacturer is DDI right now.
>kickass product
>kickass customer service that doesn't take lip or bs
>great steel and performance
not sure why this is so hard

>>32157265
-t DDI

>>32156037
>>32155930

>>32157228

>Thanks to you both. How difficult is it to convert the VEPR over?

Huge expensive pain in the ass.

However Atlantic is importing military configured Veprs now (which I wasn't aware of) which are the $1000 guns he's referring to. 7.62x39 is OOS currently but they claim to be ordering them in small batches. 5.45x39 Veprs are in stock there if that's your bag.

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>>32157228
no need to convert mang

The factory military-configuration veprs come with everything except the bayonet lug and cleaning rod holes. The Vepr 74s also use the same threading as an AKM, rather than a true AK-74. If you wanted to change that, you'd have to cut off the front sight assembly and gas block, and press new ones on with a 20 ton press. Not really worth it in my opinion.

>http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1ASFMAK7411&utm_source=AIM+Surplus+Main+List&utm_campaign=81d8c32ff6-10072016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6870497a6a-81d8c32ff6-18474693

>>32157228
>>32157318

Forgot to add, Bulgarian kit guns are almost as nice as original Russian ones, if they're done correctly. I can't think of a lot of companies who build them, other than Arsenal and DDI. Do you have access to a workshop? it could be a lot of fun to build one yourself, that's what I'm doing right now.

>>32157265

DDI's old Hungarian parts AKs were fucking amazing and competitively priced. Now everything they offer is overcharges and has question QC.

They're quickly becoming shit. I rabidly defended them here on /k/ before but now they're overpriced trash. I mean what the fuck? Their 100% domestically forged and build American AK is $200-300 more expensive than an IMPORTED AK built correctly.

>>32157375
Remember Waffen Werks?

They used to do a quality Bulgarian AK-74 build back when they used Nodak Spud receivers, then they went to shit.

Seems like DDI is going the same way since they took over

>>32155602

Holy fuck five rounds?

>>32155467
>Krebs, AKUSA, DA and rifle dynamics are all among the best you can get.
Stop.

>>32155602
I.O. needs its own glocknade meme

>>32157282
>trolling on k
Knock it off
>>32157375
They went downhill? I've nothign but GREAT luck with them.....\>>32157429
>pretending to be me
stop it

>>32155668
>DDI

Robski released a video of a DDI's extractor snapping like the pelvis of a Progeria victim 500ish round in. DDI a shit.

>>32157318

No bayonet lug isn't a big deal for me, nor the cleaning rod hole. Though for authenticity's sake it's a bit wanting, but while I'm not going to tacticool it up


>>32157338

Yeah I remember hearing that for Bulgie. What about Hungarian? A look at Atlantic firearms and I am seeing some AK on Hungarian (though High standard sounds like one of those flash in the pan american companies like Lancaster, Waffen, DDI) parts. https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/high-standard-ak47-rifle-bakelite-furniture-detail.html?Itemid=0

Is nice to see the prices dropping, even if by 50-75.

>>32157375
>Their 100% domestically forged and build American AK is $200-300 more expensive than an IMPORTED AK built correctly.
Shipping is cheaper than labor, R&D, tooling, etc.

>>32155392
Because the AK is a shitty design made by and for illiterate peasants.

>>32157859

This is a fair point

>>32155741
hes not even a tripfag, hes just stealing my name as a namefag. Besides AK's are gods gift to mankind.

>>32159544
>pretending to be me
aks are garbage

>>32155483
name one

>>32155392
You need to be trash to make trash properly
American engineers are not mentally capable of dumbing themselves down enough to make aks work with modern manufacturing techniques.
That and you people have a sense of entitlement with guns thinking they should never jam or malfunction.
This isn't videogames kids. Guns are machines that regularly fail and jam.
If your gun doesn't jam you are a lair at worst and a no gunz at best

>>32159691
this dude is even worse than the original Hunter 2-1

at first i thought it was ironic shitposting, but it looks like it's just actual shitposting

>>32159673
C39v2

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>>32155602

Nobody seems to remember that gen 1 PSAKs were shit.

All semiauto AKs are garbage. The whole point of the gun is defeated in semi-auto format

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>>32163063
>Takes 3 seconds to empty an AKM in FA

Real life is not video games.

>>32155868
I have a DDI-12. The "fixed" version of the saiga 12. It runs great, better than my friends saiga.
The single only complaint is the left side charging handle (which is good) is reciprocating (which is kinda weird)
I put a rubber nipple cover thingy over the handle, and it makes it 50% less scary.
Also a folding stock would be light years better, but I am in Cuckifornia, so I couldnt have one anyways.

t. also a VEPR12 owner

>>32155392
because people here think a good reliable AK should only cost $50

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>>32155530
Did I hear a shill who can't believe American AKs work??? Oh my

Give you one example, okay.

Mine. 2000-2100 rounds, and no major malfunctions, with only a few ftf, fixed by simple pull on the charging handle.

I'm in the thread about surprising cheap guns if you wanna catch up more.

>>32155392
>Why are AKs trash

Inferior design
Printed rather than milled
Inferior round
Ugly
Terrorist weapon
Doesnt pass the mud test
Cant be assembled like Mr Potatohead
Little 3rd party support
Banana magazines

>>32165646
>Mine. 2000-2100 rounds, and no major malfunctions, with only a few ftf, fixed by simple pull on the charging handle.
That's not a good sign.

Your AK is supposed to be flawless through the first 5000 rounds.

>>32155405
Who is this nametripfag

>>32165731
Last time I ask, a bosnian refugee in Iowa.

Absolutely fucking shameful and I wish someone kill him with a NPAP.

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>>32165706
>printed

>>32165739
So it's another fag who wants attention
Time to filter him

>>32165740
Would you prefer stamped? Its all the same thing.

>AKs are really super good rifles, gais!
>What about X-brand?
>TRASH!!!!!
>What about Y-brand?
>TRASH!!!!!
>What about Z-surplus from Z country?
>TRASH!!!!!
>What about A type?
>EXPLODES IN YOUR FACE!!!!
>Are there any good ones?
>Izmash n shit
>That anyone has ever actually shot?
>Fucking. Crickets.

>>32165887
Yep.

It's just fags from ever corner of the price ranges shitting on each other.

>>32155556
This pretty much.

Modern US gun manufacturing companies prefer making parts from castings and strapping metal into a CNC machine and pressing the green button as the only alternative.

Forgings and stampings are extremely expensive here in the US and require more man hours and labor for both.

>>32165887

US-made AKs are shit, for reasons pretty clearly laid out ITT.

Foreign-made AKs are g2g.

US-assembled, foreign-manufactured AKs are g2g as long as they're assembled by people who know and care about what they're doing.

>>32157386
Yeah they went from using nodak receivers to in house garbage.

You can not make slav gun if you do not understand the ways of the slav

>>32167284
squatting over the rivet press?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5ICKynMlQE

its ogre

>>32155719
When shtf I'm going to shoot you in the back and feast on your corpse.