Non-NFA Firearms

>>32154518
The Franklin Arms AR that isn't classified as anything other than "firearm". I think it's called the FO15 or something, has no stock, a sub 16 barrel and a vertical foregrip.

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>>32154537
Thanks, I totally forgot about non-pistol ARs with barrels under 16". There's so many arbitrary and capricious rules about what you can and cannot have it kinda blows my mind.

>>32154518
>tfw OP's shit produces gun-grabbers whose takeaway is not "the National Firearms Act is illogical and non-effective in regards to its stated goals" but "muh loopholes, we need more laws!"

>>32154565
This, the premise of your paper is retarded

>>32154518
Sounds like you're writing a paper to plug loopholes. Nice try ATF I don't even have a dog so jokes on you

>>32154588
Or more accurately, your premise is correct, but your audience is going to take away the wrong point

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>>32154565
I'm in law school, and the course I'm writing the paper for is specifically focused on gun control. The prof is bro as fuck, super pro second amendment, and the whole class is pretty much about why gun control laws are pointless and ineffective.
>one of the course requirements is that students have to attend a range day with the prof
>there's a grant that pays for ammo, safety gear and range fees
>students can't opt out of the range day unless it's for religious reasons
>our trip to the range this term was scheduled for the morning after the election
>whiny libcuck classmate is beyond bootyblasted about the ascent of god emperor trump but still shows up
>is actually a good shot and has fun

There's a lot of anti-gun students in my class, but my prof seems to be doing a pretty good job of opening their minds. I can assure you my paper will not be used to further any gun-grabber agenda.

>>32154608
What school is it and how do I transfer there

>>32154593
I doubt it'll get published, but if it does it'll only be in a law journal or something like that. Most of the law school students I've met are pretty open-minded when it comes to guns. There's a lot more pro-gun types at law school than I would have expected, and even students that don't like guns can generally articulate better reasoning than "muh chillun muh 'salt weapons muh gun show loophole."

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>>32154623
Cooley. Just get a college degree and get a halfway decent score on the LSAT. It's not a hard school to get into.

It's not a very prestigious school, but almost all the professors are very proficient and knowledgeable. I personally feel like I'm getting a quality education, but there's plenty of people that don't think very highly of the school.

They have an absolutely awesome scholarship program, too. I got a free ride by scoring above a 160 on the LSAT. Can't argue with free law school.

>law school
>ostensibly a grown-ass man who successfully finished college
>hay guise do my homework for me

Lawyers, everybody

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OP sounds like a FAG doggo shooter.

Why don't you get a real Job or go after some of the BLM tier terrorists who talk about blowing shit up on normie book to kill whites all the time?

>>32154682
It's a pretty /k/ topic, and it's not like I'm asking you to track down sources for me, but if you feel put out you don't have to contribute.
>>32154705
Fuck, you made me. The dastardly ATF has been thwarted again. Back to the drawing board.

An AR pistol over 26" in length is a "firearm" not a pistol and can have a vfg while a shorter pistol cannot.
A different product for considerstion is the magpul angled foregrip is allowed on any pistol

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A less-retarded way to get your point across than "muh loopholes" is to discuss something like AWBs and how they have a negligible effect on gun crime, and how a Mini-14 or Saiga is fine but an AR15 or pistol grip AK isn't.

And you're STILL gonna get people whose takeaway from that is "Muh loopholes! The solution is to BAN ALL GUNS!"

That said, it's pretty fucking stupid that legally-speaking a Mossberg 500 Cruiser isn't legally a shotgun because it wasn't built with a stock. Meaning that you're not violating the NFA if you put a longer grip (like a bird's head grip) on it then chop the barrel below 18", as long as OAL is more than 26". But if you do the same thing to a regular 500 that came out of the factory with a stock on it, the ATF will Ruby Ridge you despite the final product being identical in every sense of the word.

Solvent traps, bullpups.

In France, smooth-bored shotgun are difficult to obtain, cause our stupids politicians think a shotgun is dangerous, like in movies. So we produce and buy straight-rifled shotgun.

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>>32155697
>straight rifled

>>32155697
>straight-rifled

What did he mean by this?

>>32155873
The barrel is internally fluted without any spiraling, a one in infinite twist rate barrel, nerf blaster rifling.

>>32155697
wat, for realsies?

>>32155377
im guessing i know the answer to this question but. say you got the cruiser and then got the regular ol 500 and you took the parts off of the cruiser and swapped them into the 500,
would that be illegal?

>>32154518
.50 DTC-EDM

>>32154608
>>one of the course requirements is that students have to attend a range day with the prof
What's his trip here?

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>>32155697
> straight-rifled shotgun

>>32155946
You can put a pistol grip on a regular 500 legally, and you can put a bird's head grip on it too.

However, it's legal for the Cruiser to have a barrel shorter than 18" as long as the OAL is more than 26". The regular 500 has to have a barrel over 18" AND an OAL over 26".

Remember the only difference between the Cruiser and other models is the Cruiser ships with a pistol grip. However this makes it not legally a shotgun because legally shotguns have stocks.

And before you ask, yes, putting a stock on a Cruiser makes it legally a shotgun and suddenly subject to all the same regulations as a regular Mossberg 500.

>>32155946
>>32156002

Basically, it's legal to turn >>32156046 into >>32155377.

But if you do the same thing with >>32156030, you better do some paperwork and give the BATFE $200 or get ready to go to prison after they shoot your dog.

But if you're asking if you can convert >>32156030 into >>32156046 and vice versa legally, yes.

>>32154518
TAC SAC

>>32154518
Hey guys, OP here. Show us your AOW so we can raid your house.

kthxbye

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>>32155873

>>32156340
I was afraid to enlarge this image because the thumbnail looked like someone cooking a shit in a pot.

>>32156340
France is hilarious.

This reminds me of those V2008s in Britain modified to basically have one trigger pull fire the around and the bolt would lock open which would require another trigger pull to close.

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>>32154518
Sup senpai. Here I am. Breaking hella rules

If your going to do it don't talk about a list of x product is a work around INSTEAD talk about arbitary rules like the Thompson Contender issue

If you buy a TC action with the pistol setup and a rifle setup as a kit you can swap between pistol and rifle (as long as you put the stock on after the 16" inch barrel) and that's ok it can swap between pistol and rifle but if you Started with a Thompson Contender Rifle and bought the parts to swap over thats illegal without a 200$ form 1 or an SOT putting the gun on a form 4 with a 5$ stamp.

Talk about if you build an AR pistol you can convert back to a pistol from the 16" barrel gun at any time but if you built the rifle first doing that without the fed ok is a felony.

Talk about how if you have a registered HK sear its ok to put it in a rollerlock clone and that's fine but put it in the semi auto m249 design hat uses a hk sear and the act of inserting your legal 30000$ sear magically creatws a new illegal machine gun and a felony.

Or how I can't legally put a short 20g barrel on my Registered SBR Thompson contender because that's an illegal SBS but shooting 410 through a barrel chambered in 45/410 using my registered action is totally ok.

Don't show the work around show how broken the rules are like the beltfed ar15 upper that's legal on a semi auto receiver but if you put it on a registered lower/use a Dias then you have committed a felony and show them why that is is because the ATF got pissy Len Savage actually challenged them by appearing as a witness disputing their 'expert testimony' in prosecutions the ATF were involved in.

Talk about the fact that an ATF opinion letter on a device ONLY covers the writer so i could build exactly the same gun as you but you have a letter and I don't, I built it because i saw yours was legal i get raided for some reason and I can catch a felony charge even though the ATF ruled that that build is legal.

Man fuck the atf

>>32156914
This, this highlights how stupid all the rules are without giving a "lets just ban everything" option.

Might want to mention how suppressors are treated in other countries as opposed to here.