Diogenes on guns?

Diogenes wouldn't give a fuck.

>>32145002
I don't think D-man would be excited about the NFA in the first place, or submitting to these kinds of laws especially considering the type of people who passed them.

He was a free Greek, so he'd be down with the idea of arming yourself for the defense of your polis.

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BEHOLD, I HAVE BROUGHT YOU A GUN!

>>32145765
undoubtedly this

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>>32145839
tbf to Plato, "the idea of cupness" is the stumbling block of AI.

Diogenes owned nothing except a cup, he once saw a child drinking in a fountain without a cup so he gived it to the child because he didnt t needed it... So why would have a gun if he didnt had a knife?
He had nothing to protect no belongings and he wasnt afraid for his life ... You re retard

>>32145823
underrated

>>32146017
I think the question was if he would care for others owning firearms, not himself.
Featherless chicken.

If he were alive today he'd probably be some libshit performance artist

>>32145848
>"socrates baffled"
I thought he trolled Plato?

>>32145002
he would insist on the importance of keeping the barrel clean I guess ?

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>>32145823
kek

>>32145823
brilliant

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>>32145839
>and only

>>32145858
Explain

He wouldn't have owned one, or anything else.

>>32147939
The long and short of it is
>cupness
>the essence of being a cup
>the "prototype" form or function of a cup
You and I can understand that a cup is a thing with which you hold liquid, fluid solids, or semisolid items. This can be either a physical cup designed to hold shit, or modified other shit that performs the duties of a cup (cupping hands to drink from a stream, using a lid or some shit as a cup, etc). We "get" it because it is so abstract an idea that it is difficult to explain in words.

Computers, because of their very nature, cannot explain or understand a damn thing that hasn't been explicitly programmed or defined by limit. Therefore, abstraction is almost the exact opposite of computer science because computation is definition as a process.

>>32145002
Diogenes was an advocate of living naturally and simply, so I think he'd say a pointy rock is all the weapon you should need.
>you'll cowards don't even eat raw meat

>>32146017
you forgot his lantern
hmm, would he insist that a gun have a mounted flashlight?
would he slice the pie looking for an honest man?

>>32148338
but you're wrong
computer science is ALL about layers of abstraction
high level object oriented languages are abstractions of lower level languages, which are themselves abstractions of assembly, which is an abstraction of pure machine code
even then, you get into the computer engineering level, and processing units (adders or half adders) and those are abstractions of individual logic gates, which are abstractions of the actual circuits

that said, the point you're making about trying to teach a computer what "cupness" is still stands
but the statement that computer science is the opposite of abstraction is fundamentally false

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>>32148338
>Therefore, abstraction is almost the exact opposite of computer science because computation is definition as a process.

>>32148338
>>32148666
also, you clearly don't know about turing machines or other automata

Diogenes was a poorfag who pissed liked the dogs in the street, went around at day w/a lantern - looking for "an honest man", and trolled the other philosophers at the time.

He was exiled, a slave for a time, and slept in a big ceramic jug. He had no alligence to a city or state.

So, would he own a firearm? No. By today's standards, that would be like a homeless criminal owning one. Wise or not, he probably couldn't even afford one if he wanted.

>>32148952
Not to mention that he would be treated as if he was a defector or illegal alien

>>32148666
>>32148749
>>32148766
I thank you for the correction of my error. And yes, that pic is absolutely correct. I make no bones about it.

However, that anon was asking for an answer, and had gone half an hour without it. I tried, dammit.

>>32149273
well, at least you admit your mistake
now take an automata/computability theory class and a discrete math class to repent

>>32148952
The question is what his thoughts would be, not on whether or not he would go out and get one.

>>32149273
Holy shit, someone owned up to their mistake!
You just earned a lot of respect from this anon.

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>>32149354
But...I'm already in a different class...

>>32149419
I'm not going to pretend to know it if I don't, especially in pic related as my profession.

>>32149384
what were his thoughts on hoplite spears?

>>32149448
you still have time to register for the spring semester
your community college (and I know that's where you're going) probably has a discrete math class at least

>>32149479
I'm moving in April, so the best I can do is audit an online course. But yes, I'll look into it.

>>32145839

You know, I never really got what was wrong with Plato's epistemology with "cupness" and whatnot. The general idea of a cup independent of all particulars. The bare minimum of attributes required for an item to be considered a cup

>>32146523
Nawh, he'd be an above-average neckbeard in looks and brain. I think he just was in the right place at the right time. The kinda guy that looks great even when he first wakes up from his jar.

>>32149585
Someone came along and with much finesse said "while we're on the subject of existentialism; you should realize it's all bullshit. So if we're going to have this conversation than nothing is off the table, you self-absorbed prick"

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>>32145858
>>32146017
>>32148338
>>32148666
>>32149585

My foreskin doubles as a cup.

>>32149632

Well that doesn't really answer my question at all, it just sounds like you're the usual philosophy hating type of person.

>>32149827
Technically, yes.

>>32149865
that was Diogenes
the whole emptiness and Plato's head bit was calling Plato a self absorbed prick

>>32149865
Diogenes wasn't wrong. For that matter, Nietzsche also wasn't wrong in calling out most philosophers as hacks peddling their own subjective views of the world as some sort of objective truth.

>>32149961
I wasn't confused about that and didn't ask about that, I was just asking about why people make fun of plato's epistemology or metaphysics so much.

>>32150048
Well while that may be true, I don't see how it applies in this case.

An item is an item, and item has all the attributes it has, a concept is a concept, the concept requires all the attributes it requires, if the item has the attributes that the concept requires, it can be called that concept, the particular attributes of that item that aren't relevant to it being that concept or not still exist but are particular to it. It's logically sound from the most base axioms you can start from.

>>32150068
because it's obnoxious intellectual masturbation

mathematics > hard sciences > engineering > soft "sciences" like philosophy

>>32150196
And?

>>32150210
>>32150213

Welp, guess there's no point in talking about jack shit here if you guys don't see the point in logically concluding what is an object and how to define things. If you guys can't see the point in that then I guess you guys do what you do and shit.

>>32145839

Sometimes /k/ is worth it. Like today.

>>32148666
completely different types of abstraction mon negre

>>32150463
hence the
>that said, the point you're making about trying to teach a computer what "cupness" is still stands

>>32145002
Diogenes would probably own a nugget and act real smug towards anyone that owns a gun worth more than a few hundred drachma

>>32151163

Single barrel shotgun

.410

Is this dude an anarcho-primitivist?

>>32151459

More like a "free citizen" that rejects materialism

Which yeah, might be the same thing

>>32145795
He was the world's first globalist, a "Citizen of the World."

>>32151163
Diogene wouldn't even fucking buy a gun.

He'd more likely ferment his own shit and piss to make his own gunpowder, bullets and makeshift "gun" which is probably a metal tube with spring loaded firing pin from garbage he finds laying around and act real smug towards anyone who is even remotely part of society.

>>32149384
He lived a severely minimalistic life. If you're not willing to keep a wooden bowl around to drink because you've got hands, you're probably not the type to go out and buy a gun.

Though, given the opportunity he'd probably shoot Plato in the ass.

>>32150335
Where is the fagness that proceeds your posts?

>>32151625
In my head, of course.

>>32146017
What? I'm pretty sure his tale of the child and the cup was that he was drinking using a cup and saw the child drink with their hands. He felt bested by the child who used a "natural cup" which made him throw away the cup because it was unnecessary.

Also agree about not being afraid for his life. Diogenes gave zero fucks and would just laugh and verbally assault someone who threatened or used violence against him.

>>32150196
Any mug can be a cup but not every cup can be a mug?

>>32151459
he acted primitive by ancient Greek standards, and he didn't have a lot of respect for society or rulers, so yeah pretty much

>>32152146
Exactly.

>>32150210
Engineering is applied science and therefore should be switched with math in that order

>>32152146

Any cup can be a blunt weapon, but not all cups make good weapons.

>>32145823
lel

Diogenes was a citizen and capable of living unmolested in the streets because the state protected him and the other members of society left him in peace. His entire existence and safety was predicated on an armed and independent state with tolerant, passive citizens. The same was true for the dogs that hung out with him. If every asshole Greek had an automatic rifle I don't think he would have peed on as many bystanders. His philosophical stance was anti-materialist but the individual issue of firearms ownership wouldn't have concerned him at all. He probably would have said "What's the real difference? You're still killing something at the speed of sound from a hectare off so a half second delay is meaningless." about select fire.

>>32151689
well, it kept him from getting shit in his water, the man didn't seem to like communal toilets or sponge sticks

>>32145002

He'd laugh at you for being so dumb as to worry for such objects as guns or anything else.

>>32149455
>requires other hoplites to be effective
A reliance upon others makes the self less capable.

>>32145839
>Diognes is said to have eaten in the marketplace, urinated on some people who insulted him, defecated in the theatre, and masturbated in public
He sounds like he would play HellMOO