Russian Special Forces training

These dudes FSB?

Question. Alfa used to be KGB troops...right?

>>32138087
my guess would be Spetsnaz but who knows...

Considering they're no longer a world power it's not surprising. Better to invest more in special forces than to throw all your money at maintaining a huge but mediocre standing army.

>>32138093

Yes, Alfa/Osnaz is KGB/FSB. Spetsnaz is military intelligence.

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>>32138058
wat dis?

Alfa was part of KGB

>>32138127
its a flashlight

>>32138098
>spetsnaz
>>32138093
Yes
>>32138123
No, GRU and GRU VMF is military intelligence.

Improved? Russian SF have always been competent, though often poorly utilized. Its their main force that's a shitshow.

>>32138135
yeah, kinda looks like it. wasn't sure because of the angle... looked too curvy.

anyone know what muzzle brake they use?

I'm digging this setup... A LOT! I'd like to setup my AK this way.

>>32138146
>Its their main force that's a shitshow.
It might have been but not anymore. They're now mostly professional soldiers.

so Russian military doesnt get pissed off when their forces are using American products on their glorious Russian design?

>>32138107
This.
Russia knows it's strength is in depth with it's reserves.

>>32138127
you're mom

>>32138199
These guys are under FSVNG RF(former MVD) jurisdiction, not military, they're just special police teams and just like the US they have free reign on spending.

I read years ago that Spetznas wasn't a specific SF group but rather any special-purpose group in the military.

I also read military intelligence had thier own troops.

Alfa / KGB did things like assassinations political VIP protection, black-ops full deniability missions etc.

>>32138058
>still rolling around in the dirt
>tactical somersaults
>practicing karate moves with knives
>blind firing your weapon behind you with your own teammate.... directly behind you
>too poor to even afford pistol ammo, dry firing during live fire drills
>muzzle sweeping... muzzle sweeping everywhere
>door kicker also being entry man
>lingering in the fatal funnel
>the slowest and sloppiest paratrooper drop I've ever seen

Same old shenanigans.

>>32138371
civilian detected! why don't you fucking enlist, you pleb?

>>32138058
>somersaulting
these fucking cossacks never learn

>>32138058
desu looks like a lot of showboating

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>>32138058
Those external elbow pads look aesthetic as all hell. Must have has a subcontract through australia.

>>32138667
>Must have has a subcontract through australia.
no fucking way... coz of sanctions.

>>32138058
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

>>32138667
They're not hard to make.. At all... They probably just have their own pair.

>>32138751
Also, this.

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>>32138751
>>32138834
Just somthing my eye picked up. I am aware of the sanctions taking place along with australia's cooperative ITAR Agreement with the USA.
The russian Spetsnaz appear gear wise to be using Gen 2 Forest ATAC CAMO uniforms. Would be my two cents.

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>>32138058
Flashy training does not equate to effective training. Frequently quite the opposite. The whole thing looked like a publicity stunt.

>>32139187
How is ATAC ITAR?

>>32138058
Is this a joke?

>>32138058
did they hire instructor zero?

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die capitalist dogs

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>>32138058
Operation level: slav.

>>32139286
Russia isn't that insecure about it's image.

>>32139458
they're less commie than obongo's america.

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>>32139319
ATAC is not ITAR, but Gen 2 - Gen 3 elbow pads like those are contract made to order in that particular country mostly. I've never seen gen two elbow pads with that style other then in australia.
>>32139630
true

>>32138391

>!
>pleb

You have enough chromosomes to produce a fucking Russian Army

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>>32139782
kek

>>32138058

I'm not going to watch all twelve minutes of this shit, but I hope to God there's no tacticool monkey bars.

>>32138058
Half of the video is about VDV, which are not special forces.

The guys at 7:42 aren't even Russian. There are some foreign units participating and i can't understand what language they're speaking.

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T A C T I C A L S L A V S Q U A T

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>>32140407
Serbs it's the slavic brotherhood training

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>>32140856
Serb here, can confirm. Those dudes are most likely SAJ. We've been doing a lot of joint exercises lately. Also that black top/camo pantsu combo is aesthetic af

>>32138058
I have a question. When they are rushing the escort into cover why are they firing over their elbows?

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>>32138058
>3:15
>guy wants to shoot straight into the room upon breach
>okay
>doesn't take up a position behind one of the pillars behind him
>crouches in the line of fire with no cover, then shuffles out of the way in case the enemies bullets travel at a brisk walking speed.

>>32139629
I would say the country is compensating for something but that's just me.

>>32138254
No such SF as spetsnaz it means special forces but yes every company had its spetsnaz guys, they were highly trained infividuals they did the cool stuff
GRU and SVR still has its own troop but they are not so revelant today, during the soviet times only GRU commanded 25,000 troops
They still do shit like that read up on Anna Politkovskaya

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holy...

>>32142873
if its looks stupid but its work then its looks stupid

>>32138058
>0:54
>SYNCHRONIZED SLAVIC SQUATS

>>32142873
That's a normal shooting stance in the Soviet army, and has been adapted by a lot of other 3rd world armies.

I know that it's know as the "Guerilla stance" in Turkey, by both PKK fighters and Turkish soldiers. I tried it out myself, it's actually pretty good. Fast but still precise.

>>32138058
wtf is the point of the positions at 0:55?

>>32142893
It's so good you can shit comfortably while shooting. I wonder if the Indian army uses this stance too.

>>32142131
>>32140856
Will you start removing Kebab again? Pls? asking for the country of a friend.

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>>32143431
They have come a long way and look better equipped then standard infantry from most 1st world countries.

>>32138058
>no backflipping hatchet attack

Russia is shit tier now holy fuck get your shit together

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>>32138058

>dat ATV

DUH DEH DEH DUH DUH DEH

>>32138058
They don't have shit on these guys
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yKDJ4v349ao

>Dat fall at 2:00

>>32138167
Professional conscript rapists

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>>32144219
I wouldn't worry about it. Quite no one matches the US military is homosexual rape power. One can even say that there's a gaping hole between America and everyone else in this field.

>>32144292
What is this supposed to prove? All it shows is that male on male rape is underreported in the military, which is no surprise.

On the contrary, there are quite a few stories about the situation for Conscripts in Russia.

>>32144320
its better now since Medvedev presidency, it still occurs time to time but supreriors pay more attention and report it
the real problem is the xenophobia, and bullying of the ethnic soldiers

>>32138244
>you're mom
>You are mom
K.

>>32144199
who the fuck are these guys? its some kind of a penal battalion?

>>32144292
For one, it proves that US military is a cesspool of homosexual degenerates who quite literally can't stop raping each other in the ass. Secondly, it proves the only way Americans can cope with their insecurities is to project them on someone else. That is the only reason you see constant spam of gay porn and posts like this >>32144219 in threads about S-400 or T-14.

>>32144381
A security service in Detroit

>>32138058
>The Segal no-look-shooting
>The Power Squats
lol

>>32142131
How did it go with that attemted russian assasination of your president/prime minister?

>>32138371
You realise large scale, ie not an SF team or pathfinders, para jumps are always rather slow right? Now I will say the video doesn't really show any sort of time frame because it's all cut up, but it's never really been a super fast thing. Also like another anon said, about 80% of this video is cops, not military. Knowing how to roll around in the dirt can save your life, western militaries practice the same things.

>>32138058

Ivan grew up with three legs and an arm, but he was still slav enough to pass selection. Godspeed, comrade.

>>32139629
When the world views you has being the biggest scumbag in the Universe, why bother?

>>32138058
Aw nice, the one with the SAJ happened near my city. Saw quite a number of Serbian and Russian soldiers in the local mall.

Funny thing, 2 days after those exercises started, Serbia agreed to join an EU battlegroup.

>>32138058
I'd rather have FSB or MVD coming to save me than CIA SAD or FBI HRT.

I'd rather have Delta coming to save me than GRU though.

I'd rather take my chances with the terrorists than have DEVGRU blow me up with a frag grenade.

>>32138058
Jesus christ at the 6:00 min mark are there people in that? Must be the scariest shit ever

>>32142901

Squatting position? It's pretty typical firing postion... Allows you to drop out of sight rapidly while maintaining a stable firing position, it's pretty rapid to move in or out off as well while keeping both hands on your weapon.

>>32146430
Laughed more than I should have at this.

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>>32139496
>>32144665
>>32142901
>>32142880

Come on now harmchair warriors... The squatting stuff is pretty typical and completely legit firing position.

>>32139286
>trigger discipline

>>32147217
what do you expect from Bosnian militia

>>32139458
What the actual fuck is going on with those legs...

>>32138058

Are those G36s at the 8:00 mark?

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>>32138058

I bet the training is literally just to make them angry, especially that Ty-bo stuff at the beginning. We all know Russians go apeshit on the battlefield, doing shit like 03:50. Other than that, looks standard.
Jeez, Russa's guns are really low sounding like
>*boom boom bang*
not like
>*ra-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta pew pew*
like NATO.

>>32138058
wtf cheeki breeki doesn't take prisoners.

>>32138167
Only the spetsnaz, naval infantry and VDV are fully professional, most NCOs and enlisted in the main Ground Forces are poverty fucking conscripts.

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>>32143555
Could it be?
Face armor that doesn't impede aiming?

>>32138058
>not even spetsnaz of the GRU or SSO
>just some VDV showboating just like any other year as usual

>>32147403
Only difference is mine is multicam and theirs is black.

>>32147264
Yeah, those are. Germany's MoD must be shitting out their hemorrhoids over this.

>videos are proof of good training
Russians did improve in many spheres compared to 10 years ago but this is a pointless thread.

>>32147562

Where do you think you are?

>>32143555
the optics are last gen. The helmets are just high high cuts, nothing special. not even wearing headsets, the whole point of highcuts.
they're wearing goggles instead of ballistic glasses. none of this equipment is better or nicer than the American, British or Canadian Infantry. Furthermore, these aren't even standard infantry. almost every european nation has a CTU with equally nice or better gear.

>>32138058
still a shitheap tbqh

>>32138058
>those fucking patterns at 0:28
thats the shit i did when i was 9 years old at my tae kwon doe McDojo

>literally a karate kata right in the middle of the training.

That is all this training is. Kata. It's a fucking dance.
they do rolls. don't do fucking rolls that's dumb.
they move a vip, in the open, through hostile territory, and when they take contact, run with their guns facing back and firing. fuck no. split into two parts. one stays and returns fire, the other covers the vip into a safe location.

they move behind APCs like it's WW2. This is the modern battlefield, that shit doesn't work anymore.

>>32147928
> none of this equipment is better or nicer than the American, British or Canadian Infantry.
I was referring to the shit stain EU countries mostly. They are getting better even with the sanctions,nothing more to really say on that topic.

Gear Wise. From experience you need ultra low pro comms to use that kind of face protection setup anyway. Ballistic glasses like Oakleys SI Alpha are a step in the right direction. One lense for all platforms. Aimpoint Pro's are good optics but they are last years model. You want the most 1x FOV and reflex sight capability for close quarters. Or a light weight 1-6x variable optic for mid field use.

>>32138152
>anyone know what muzzle brake they use?
Isn't it a BFA?

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>>32147928
Serb CT is going through a clusterfuck right now. Multiple units got merged now and are probably going through a lot of changes.

With that being said, some of our boys are top notch. Current world record in pushups per hour (2370) is held by a Serb SOF operator. Another dude from SAJ is a current world record holder for amount of situps in one go, 30.000. You can google this stuff easily.


As far as gear goes, our military issued m70s are often 30 or 40 years old. CT/SOF has a bit better deal obviously but still nowhere near perfect. We got some 416s for those dudes so it's not too shabby but still.

>>32147202
Only shit tier idiots use squatting firing position. Literally the only time you would use it is if you were standing in a shallow stream and needed to fire a slightly more precise shot without dipping your ass in the water
Just because its in a training manual doesnt mean anyone but subhuman afghanis use it

>>32149002
implying it doesn't allow for a more stable platform than one knee down

>>32148316
Those records are literally "who cares". No combat relevance, as a matter of fact with the way fitness training is leaning in western SOF that kind of shit is less popular than ever.

>>32149041
Wrong and also why would you get in that position its harder to get into and out of than kneeling when weighted down
Anecdotal but my kneeling position was more stable than my sitting position in basic. Unrelated i guess but if you have the mobility you can sit on your foot and it still qualifies as kneeling

>>32149087
It paints a picture regarding what kind of people actually get into those units.

>>32138058
>Reptile's theme song from MK around 30 seconds
Noice

>>32149002
The only reason to hate on the squatting position is because you can't do it. It's a physiological fact that squat is more stable than one knee down. The fact you don't like it because you struggle to get in and out of it is about as valid to this argument as a one legged amputee complaining he doesn't like one knee down because he only has one knee.

I could care less about manuals or orthodox. I want results so I use what works for me. Squatting is faster and provides less strain on my knees, Done. I can fit more rounds in the same space you say? 32rd D defense mags and 40rd pmags = less weight per pouch the more you add Done. M855 inadequate? Switched to mk318 mod 0's done. Simple stuff keeps it fresh and fast.

>>32149483
Is it really more stable though? I am not unused to squatting with weight, and from goofing around with the squatting rifle position, I feel too wobbly from front to back.

test

>>32149483
>It's a physiological fact that squat is more stable than one knee down.

Absolutely not.

>>32144351
The only ethics that people really have problems with are Mongols and caucuses, I don't know why but I've always had beef with people from Dagestan

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>>32138098
Spetsnaz translates to Soldier of special purpose... so yeah

>>32149002

Squatting is easier to transition to than a full kneeling position, especially with no knee pads.

>ib4 "hurr durr I just drop on my knee"

>>32149041
>>32149104

I am with you on kneeling being more stable than squat, but see above. You are both wrong.

As far as "being easier to get out from" - they should all be the same. Squatting is genuinely only difficult if you are a weak faggot.

Also, this whole thread is shit, holy fuck.

>>32147264
>>32147521
Serbian Police.

>>32144732
They were targeting Montenegro, they were based in Serbia

>>32148316
cute doggo

>>32150393

Spetsnaz just means "special purpose" (no "soldier" there), and it's incredibly generic word in Russian. Like, we refer to US police SWAT as "Amerikansky Policeysky Spetsnaz" too, you know.

>>32138371
This.
Honestly the entire video just seems like isis propaganda where they do everything that seems cool to the untrained eye.

>>32139629
Yeah sure, putin just had all those publicity photos of him bare chested with a gun for no reason.

>>32150263
well im from ingushetia but thanks, i don't have problem with russians at all

>>32150008
If you can actually get into a proper squat position (not what most westerners consider a proper squat) then it's incontestably more stable. Two feet flat on the ground provide more stability than a foot and a knee. When you bottom out in a squat, you're not going anywhere. It's also more mobile and adaptable. And it provides a more stable firing platform.

>>32150044
You're arguing with the laws of physics, pal. If you disagree, then please post a picture of you doing what you would consider to be a proper squat firing position. Because I can guarantee that any disagreement stems from the fact that you simply can't do it properly.

>>32144589
Your comrades havent beaten you for the day yet, is that it?

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>>32147202 (squat manual)
>>32149002 (squatz r shit)
>>32149483
> It's a physiological fact that squat is more stable than one knee down.

I'm a bystander from /fit/ here to hash out the physical aspects. Using the knee is absolutely more stable and the squat is absolutely more physically demanding but perhaps the squat has some advantages with regards to aiming.

From a mechanical perspective the one-knee has superior force distribution. In a squat, you have to oppose any forces (e.g. recoil) with your feet and toes, and you will fall if your center of gravity passes back over the heels. It's a stable position, but taking a knee is infinitely more stable because the kneeling leg will oppose forces with the glute & quadriceps. In fact if you align your kneeling leg properly, most of the forces will go straight into the ground. Your knee might have some bruising but in order to tip over, a force would have to overpower your quads which are your strongest muscles.

I could see the squat maybe being more useful if it allows for a wider range of firing? When you kneel, you want to be firing in a direction that is perpendicular to the leg on the ground, and you want the weapon supported by the other leg. This gives you something like 30-45 degrees arc that you can aim the weapon in. With squatting, you have much more room because the legs are symmetrical.... you get more like 45-60 degrees.

Finally though, I want to point out that the infographic someone posted above is illustrating bad form. With good form, your buttocks should be almost above your heels, and your back should be roughly in line with the firearm. I won't get into all the mechanics, but in short, the further spread out your body is, the more force you're going to have to use to counter the recoil. I think in the video you can see their form is actually closer to what I've illustrated compared to the manual.

>>32144292
It's not like the rape and assault are 1:1 ratio by themselves. One guy could have done all that to another

>>32153470
I could go into more detail than I did >>32153626 about why this is wrong, but I won't bother because this is easy to test... if you try both positions and get a friend to push horizontally as if you had a weapon you can see for yourself.

However I do need to point out that this:
>Two feet flat on the ground provide more stability than a foot and a knee.
is just retarded. Generally the more area you have touching the ground the more stable you are-- you can't be knocked over if you're already prone on the ground.

Feet are terrible for stability, that's why nobody has made a robot that can walk reliably yet.

>That tactical squat at 0:55
I lost my shit, I fucking love slavs

>>32148049
>they move behind APCs like it's WW2. This is the modern battlefield
The marines practice that exact formation behind M1s and LAVs

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>>32138058
This era was the best Spetsnaz aesthetic.

Prove me wrong. OH WAIT.. YOU CANT.

>>32153626
Thank god we have an expert from /fit/ here to educate us. When do you graduate from the /fit/ school of kinesiology?

>Using the knee is absolutely more stable and the squat is absolutely more physically demanding

Bodyweight squat vs concentric bodyweight shrimp squat with a tiny bit of additional force off the toes. Bodyweight squat is less physically demanding.

>In a squat, you have to oppose any forces (e.g. recoil) with your feet and toes

If you're not a stereotypical American with shit glute proprioception, you can easily engage the glutes in the bottom position of a squat to also resist anterior forces pushing you backward. Calves muscles are also a more accurate description of the muscles involved than feet and toes - the muscles in your feet are making a minor contribution, they're primarily just the application point of the force generated by the calves.

>the kneeling leg will oppose forces with the glute & quadriceps

Quadriceps can't be engaged on a kneeling leg because they're in a stretched position. Glutes are the only major contributing muscle resisting anterior pushing forces. Glutes engagement is far easier with the toes of the kneeling leg's foot pushing into the ground (difficult to do in boots), which also reduces surface area of kneeling leg in contact with ground.

> a force would have to overpower your quads which are your strongest muscles.

Glutes are actually far stronger than quads. But still, that doesn't make your argument any more valid.

>ith good form, your buttocks should be almost above your heels, and your back should be roughly in line with the firearm

That we agree on.

1/2

>>32153626
>>Two feet flat on the ground provide more stability than a foot and a knee.
>is just retarded

Which do you think has a greater surface area in contact with the ground between your foot and your knee? Don't use the argument of the trailing leg providing much in the way of added stability either because only your tibial bone is in contact with the ground, which is extremely narrow.

The argument that one knee down provides greater resistance against anterior pushing position is sketchy at best. The reduced front plane stability inherently detracts from sagittal plane stability in practice.

>Feet are terrible for stability
No they're not. People think feet are poor for stability because the muscles in their own feet have atrophied to a point of uselessness. It's possible to train the muscles and proprioceptors in your feet by balancing on one leg with your eyes closed and regularly exercising barefooted. Even in people with crappy feet, the lack of stability is compensated entirely by the stability of boots.

2/2

>>32155309
That was meant to read:

>The fact that reduced frontal plane stability inherently detracts from sagittal plane stability in practice makes the argument irrelevant anyway

>>32155030
I think the modern slav soldier is the best aesthetics, even greater than the current US soldier.

Seems pretty good. Instead of killing 100 civilians, Russian special forces will reduce that number to 50.

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>>32138058
>4-wheeler with a PKM mounted on it
Is this the slavshitpost battalion?

>>32147202
Squats are only funny because it's Russia, bud.
Calm down.

>>32140856
What happened to the KOT?

>>32144658
This is good training, I've heard there are many problems with green discs in detroit.
Someone has tot catch these fuckers.

Also, these guys have built-in greasy body armors, this is a huge advantage if any of the green discs shoot at them.

No seriously we did more "opayraythurr" stuff back when I was doing paintball here in yurop.

wtf is this shit ?

>>32155030
Those helmets are gloriously awful, I need one

>>32148316
>Current world record in pushups per hour (2370) is held by a Serb SOF operator.

how does that translate to being a good operator?

>>32139629
Best joke I've heard all day. Russia's firsr and foremost military attack and defense program is posturing to the US, China and Japan. Then the rest of the world.

>>32138058
is that Hardbass?

>>32138058
Everything the Russians show you is for show. Everything.

I know the Cold War has been over for awhile and our bullshit filter has atrophied. But don't forget how paranoid and vain and calculating the Russian government is -- whatever they call it and whoever heads it.

>>32155754
If it's real that means some of their guys are /fit as fuck, which is always a requirement for being an operator operating operationaly in an operational operation.

I mean 30000 situps, wtf ?

>>32144199

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SEEING

>>32138058
gay as hell

>>32140512
john z?

>>32138058
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYSFLB26PME