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WHAT THE FUCK IS IT WHY DO THEY KEEP PUTTING IT IN ORBIT FOR

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WHAT THE FUCK IS IT

WHY DO THEY KEEP PUTTING IT IN ORBIT FOR A YEAR AT A TIME WITHOUT GIVING THE SLIGHTEST HINT ABOUT WHAT IT'S DOING
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>>32126101
It's a dildo
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>>32126101
Well perhaps he's wonder why someone would design a space plane, before sending it in a secret orbit.
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>>32126114
Its an airfag platform, so it probably is a dildo

Its a floating "safe space", OP. A spaceborne no-rape zone
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>>32126150
I suppose it didn't fly so good.
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>>32126101
It's killing xenos. You're welcome.
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>>32126157
Is it true that Air Force personnel spend significant amounts of their time discussing holiday parties?
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>>32126101
It's testing space sensors to see how they hold up to all the radiation and shit in space
also probably using them to watch you masturbate
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>>32126249
>also probably using them to watch you masturbate

fuuuck, whats sort of bs space magic usa are using to see ops micro dick form space ?
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>>32126101
It's up there fucking with other country's satellites.
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>Payload bay: 7 × 4 ft (2.1 × 1.2 m)

Just enough space to store a man laying down. What's he doing up there? I bet they're testing cryosleep technology.
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>>32126218
I swear the holiday party meetings start earlier every year
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>>32126101
To test satellite optics and other shit before they large-scale deployment of a new system.
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>>32126101
I'd like to think they're testing some crazy tech up there like that lockheed fusion reactor or something.

But it's probably something boring like turning it off for a year to turn it back on after floating about for a bit, to test endurance of all the systems.
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>>32126101
It's to piss you off.
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>>32127036
I'm a Boeing stock holder, more than happy. Just curious.
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My theory is that it's a surveillance platform. Even the most backwards of terrorists and 3rd world dictators know when our satellites are overhead and can hide their shit on schedule, but this thing can go wherever the fuck it wants and catch them off guard.
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It's full of nukes to drop on our enemies at any given notice.
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>>32126101
Remember that time NASA did something so badass that the DoD came in and black marker'd the fuck out out of everything
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>>32127116
No
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>>32126101
It's empty, they launch it up to keep people on their toes and to distract from the real secrets.
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>>32127116
Remeber that time nasa decided that reactionless propulsion system didnt work before they remebered that it did?

Man, what jokesters.

I wonder how they keep it fuled for a year of those rapid orbit changes that keeps amatures guessing on where the fuck it is? Oh well, i wouldnt worry about it.
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>>32126101
it's to capture other nations satellites to either sabotage, force them to burn up in the atmosphere or capture and return for study

we obviously haven't done it to other countries yet so we're just testing it on our own until a actual war breaks out against people with more than 60's level soviet small arms

"b-but anon we could just shoot the enemies satellites down" yeah but that causes collateral damage to your own and would only be employed in a total war scenario as a last measure and the nukes would fly before we risked cluttering space

source?
I drink and I know things
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>>32127206
That was an actual requirement of the Shuttle that was never used (that we know about).
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>>32126630
Attaching Limpet Mines (which are actually small chemical rockets) to other nations satellites.

That way on WW3 day, the Airforce pushes a button, and all their enemy satellites drop out of orbit when the mines retrograde burn.
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>>32127206
While i agree that its a very vaild theoretical use, the issue is you need to reliabily jam the sat before you attempt capture, which is no easy feat.

The lulz will ensue if the spy sat full burns while in your cargo hold.
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>>32127097
>UN and Russia actually thinking the USA gives a fuck about their little treaties
Secret giant orbital superweapon stockpile pls.

I'd love for us to break it out in case shit gets real inna middle east or russia and unleash a revived SDI program that was fully functional and completely top secret.
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>>32127241
Treaties should never hinder progress

The only goal worth pursuing is humanity's (the worthwhile parts) ascent and spread throughout the heavens.
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>>32127131
>NBC gear

Experimental weapons platform? Could be a nuclear glider dropship. Being able to drop a nuke from orbit without it being detected until it hits air-defense radar? That's, what 40 kilometers in the air, give or take? Geocentric orbit starts at 160, so you've got 120 kilometers of undetected free-fall. Wait till it hits the air-defense ceiling, engage targeting systems and adjust flight pattern. If it's, just as an example the Mk. 24 nuclear bomb that's 90s to impact, give or take.
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>>32127215
Correcting myself here, the Shuttle was actually used for satellite recovery on a number of occasions.

The cargo bay was even designed to hold spy satellites (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KH-9_Hexagon specifically).
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>>32127284
Or they're wearing NBC gear because it was in space where there's shitloads of radiation from the sun and whatever else is hitting our atmosphere.
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>>32127284
It's not NBC gear, just hazmat PPE. Thing probably uses hydrazine as a propellant.
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>>32127284
You know radar doesn't stop at 40km right

What the fuck are you thinking
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>>32127318
And then commercial launch platforms became the the more economical solution for most of those payloads.

Being able to snag the Hubble for upgrades and mirror fixes was a great advantage of the Shuttle, though.
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>>32127369
Watch, a shuttle solution will come back up in our lifetime.

The idea is quite sound, its implementation thats the problem
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>>32127134
This project originally belonged to NASA before the DoD hijacked it
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>>32127355
Hydrazine/nitrogen tetroxide
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>>32127486
The newest one has nothing less than space reactionless meme magic.
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>>32127241
I just want an American flag decal'ed Death Star man.
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>>32127178
This.

Physics. Weight. Propellant. Known drives. Known orbit changes. Let's start doing the math on this thing, /k/
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>>32127658
Waste of resources

You need a fleet first

You need backup terrestrial outposts second

And not just in the solar system

And not just this arm of the Milky Way

And anyways, the X-37B is just more faggy LEO bullshit like the Space Shuttle. It doesn't contribute to humanity's rise. Its an evolutionary dead end in spacecraft design just like the entire STS program.
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>>32126101

1. it's probably doing extremely boring stress tests of flight equipment and components

2. the x-37b is just a cover for the manned x-37c, the USAF have their own space program
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>>32126157

Aggressive acts in micro gravity -- such as that found in orbit -- is what's called a "micro aggression".

The platform is for evaluating these "micro aggressions" in prep for the Mars trip.

True fact.
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>>32126101

Because Wonderbread and Miracle Whip
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>>32127637
OTV-4 flight tested a hall-effect thruster (in pic), since it was an upgrade to an existing model. Since the upgraded engine is intended for 3 future launches of strategically important comms satellites (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Extremely_High_Frequency) it's important to flight test the engine before using it, the X-37 makes a good candidate for that.
>>32127699
It's the first one, but I really wouldn't be surprised if it ends up with an upscaled EmDrive after it's been proved on a smaller scale (like that cubesat idea).
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>>32126893
>that lockheed fusion reactor
oh shit, weren't they supposed to have a demonstration reactor out soon? Don't tell me they went dark...
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>>32127756

They're still working on it:

http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/05/lockheed-portable-fusion-proejct-still.html

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/innovation/2016/05/03/lockheed-nuclear-fusion-generator-investment/83870398/

They seem to be extremely optimistic about it, which tells me they've already proven it on a small scale and it's being used in submarines right this minute. But who knows.
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>>32127284
Protective gear due to the fuel anon.
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>>32127790
>They seem to be extremely optimistic about it, which tells me they've already proven it on a small scale and it's being used in submarines right this minute.

Damn third offset, you scary.
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it's releasing spy satellites obviously
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>>32127790
>>32127846
B-21 with fusion generator when?
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>>32127873
You need an 8 foot thick concrete wall to stop the neutron emissions from a fusion reactor. Not exactly something conducive of easy flight.
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>>32127284
Hydrazine you dumbfuck. When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebra.
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>>32127884
Would an aerogel enclosure work?
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>>32127884
Unless its optionally manned :^)
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>>32127921
No. Neutrons are pretty hard to stop because they are electrically negative.
>>32127927
Flying cancer spreader, lol
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>>32127873

B-21s don't benefit because they're fuckhuge airplanes with big wings.

The biggest beneficiaries would be smaller VTOL craft that need the extra power in a small package. Things like supersonic VTOL jets or VTOL cargo planes would become much easier to build as they'd have much greater power to generate vertical lift.

Also, a true compact fusion reactor would make ramjets much easier to build, which means single-stage-to-orbit spaceplanes become feasible (especially if the reactor can switch from an open cycle mode using air to a closed cycle mode using rocket fuel for space travel). This also means much more powerful rocket engines for space travel.

Anyway, you can see why Lockheed, an aerospace company, is so interested in nuclear fusion: it'd immediately make all their exotic concepts feasible.
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>>32126101
Its for Space QRF, like ODSTs but with significantly more spooning
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>>32126218
correct actually you would be surprised that your career is on the line when you are "obligated" or volunteered to help set up or break stuff down once it's over. Fuck the Chair Force
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>>32127984
Supersonic VTOL bomber with ridiculous range thanks to its fusion generator and electric jets when?
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>>32127921
you need more density not less you retard
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>>32128167
Use DU :^)

If you got the chooch, who cares about weight?
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>>32127279
Manifest destiny meets the space age!
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>>32127391
I think a single stage space plane capable of reaching LEO is more likely than a rocket boosted shuttle.

>>32127686
Reliable access to LEO allows the construction and supply of space built ships better suited for exploration.
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>>32127952
>Neutrons
>Electrically negative

WTF am I reading
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>>32128199
Lead is usually a good compromise.
It's been used a lot for a very good reason.
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>>32127231

I have the strangest boner right now.
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>>32127952
/b/ on a plane?
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>>32128350
Nah. Meme powered cancer.

That my friend, would be /pol/.
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>>32128250
>He doesn't know about negatively charged neutrons
>he can't comprehend hall effect car stereo space thrusters

American education
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>>32128387
Hall effect thrusters are an ion thruster.

They ionise propellant.

They use ions.

Ions are not neutrons. Ion = charged atom/molecule. Neutron = neutral subatomic particle.
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>>32126101
>WHY DO THEY KEEP PUTTING IT IN ORBIT FOR A YEAR AT A TIME WITHOUT GIVING THE SLIGHTEST HINT ABOUT WHAT IT'S DOING
They retired the SR-71 for a reason bud. Also, Silver Nitrate isn't gonna rain down and cloud-form by itself....
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>>32127131
>those suits
yup.... looks like its the LockMart Fusion Reactor.
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>>32127790
>and it's being used in submarines right this minute.
And you slowly realize what reallllly caused the 2004 Tsunami that killed 1billion island/jungle ppl.

>>32127824
>Protective gear due to the fuel anon.
like TyLar gas?
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>>32128524
Hydrazine
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Memes aside based on the current level of plasma containment and plasma stability in other corporate fusion research I'd estimate that if the method Lockheed is pursuing is viable the project is probably going to achieve net fusion at around 2020. Note that the viability is still a major question especially with them not releasing a lot of data.
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>>32128443
Neutrons are just molecules charged with neutral energy.
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>>32128480
a fusion reactor is several dozen meters accross, and around 10-20 tons.

and if you dare say that "ITS THE ARMY THEY HAVE SHIT WE CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE" , you're one of the most retarded person i had the chance to meet online.

we've been trying to crack fusion for around 50 years now, you can bet your ass all a fucking corporation like lockmart can do is try to optimise the designs we already have , and not build one from scratch.

holy fuck, /k/ and /v/ are two of the most retarded boards , why do i keep coming back here. it makes my blood boil to think that such ignorant fucktard are allowed to breath.

kill yourself.
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>>32128630
I was told fusion was ten years away 20 years ago. What indicates it is actually happening?
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>>32128635
And diamonds are the hardest metal known to man.

>>32128596
TyLar

>>32128630
>I'd estimate .....around 2020
shits been around already for years. nanites are already a thing. Cancer has been cured because of it. Algae produced gasoline is already a thing, saud has been out of oil since 2008. Mars colony is well underway. Antartica is the home of the most advanced AI singularity quantum computer and is why the polar ice caps keep melting, not CO2.

Wake up friendo, stuff you read about in the news today was already perfected 20 years ago.
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>>32128635
>charged with neutral energy.

...and they make fun of americans.

This fuckery has aussie written all over it.
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>>32128655
>holy fuck, /k/ and /v/ are two of the most retarded boards , why do i keep coming back here. it makes my blood boil to think that such ignorant fucktard are allowed to breath.
>kill yourself.


>Waaah people hurt my feefees but I won't just leave

SJW detected
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>>32128655
>a fusion reactor is several dozen meters accross, and around 10-20 tons.
OK Mr Soviet from the 70's; which is why LockMart said theres can fit on the back of a regular pickup truck, right? TL;DR the rest of that shit - if you couldn't even get the first sentence right, then what the fuck for?
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>>32128655
>like lockmart can do is try to optimise
>taking advice from a cousinfucking inbred islander britbong
dude, its like 4AM there... why int he fuck are you still posting on /k/... actually, why are you even on /k/ - Weapons? You get raided for having a butterknife and a bicycle rim in your household.
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>>32128655
>GROOVY SHIT LIKE INVISIBLE TO RADAR PLANES CAN'T EXIST. STAR TREK IS NOT REAL.

t. Anons grandpa in the 70s
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>>32128694
>Neutral energy doesn't exist

What do you think is created when an atoms negatively charged atoms get absorbed by it's positively charged atoms? Neutral energy.
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>>32128690
>Diamonds
>Metal
You fucked up anon
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>>32128731
There's a joke about CERN being in Switzerland and neutral particles but I'm not in the right frame of mind to make it
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>>32128731
I giggled.
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>>32128769
Newfag detected.
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>>32128708
A working reactor doesn't exist yet.
also, that "pick up truck" is a regular truck, and they just use the volume available on the back of a truck to fucking make up numbers.

it's fucking easy, faggot :

the energy density of uranium in a breeder reactor is 1,539,842,000 MJ/L => 1539842 MJ/m^3

A regular container is 38.5m^3 , so making a breeder reactor the size of a shipping container will give us 38.5 * 1539842 = 59283917 MJ ! YES, LOT'S POWER IN A SMALL VOLUME !
Let's just ignore the fact that we're just making heat at this point , and we can't place the hundred liters of water, the hundred of meters of piping and the fucking TURBINE that generate the power ! we don't give a shit , we just made THE SMALLEST URANIUM BREEDER GENERATOR IN THE WORLD !


LOCKMART IS JUST SAYING THEY CAN MAKE THE GENERATOR SMALL , NOT THE POWER CONVERTER SMALL, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE YET.
RETARDS

inb4 Thorium.

>>32128729
"wow we can sure break the laws of thermodynamics ! it's the future !"

>>32128724
not even a britbong , but we're still getting cucked in France i agree. i just like firearms, on a technical point of view it's one of the few engineering field where you need the cheapest , most durable shit with the less moving part, and most experimental stuff is really interesting.
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>>32128870
>A working reactor doesn't exist yet.
you the resident LockMart paid-by-the-post shill? Is Disinfo listed in your hasbara handbook when it comes to fusion topics?

Fuck you cunt. And the F35 ashit, so go stick your 1:12 model replica of it right up ur tightwad ass.

>A regular container is 38.5m^3 , so making a breeder reactor the size of a shipping container will give us 38.5 * 1539842 = 59283917 MJ ! YES, LOT'S POWER IN A SMALL VOLUME !
Go look up the pics of antartica and that ice expedition, and tell me what you find there.
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>>32128724
>>32128870
>tfw the frog gets called out for being a bong
>tfw youre the bong
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>>32128870
You do realize having a reactor only be the size of a shipping container is fucking great
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>>32128911
*hands you a sandwich"
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>>32128682
I'm estimating from what other fusion projects have achieved such as GeneralFusion, TriAlpha, LPP and others I'm certainly forgetting. Essentially in the last decade the advancement of both superconductors and computer modeling of plasma on an atomic scale have given me a very optimistic outlook.
Of course this is assuming the method can create a long lasting and stable plasma which thanks to lockheed being quiet is a big assumption.
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>>32126101
its putting spy satelites way far out into space against the sun so that no one can see them and they see the lighted earth 24/7365
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>>32128970
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Climate_Observatory
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>>32127920

Hydralazine? Those guys need to stop smoking so much.
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>>32128898
you're having difficulties to read , faggot ?
>a fusion reactor is several dozen meters accross, and around 10-20 tons.
i know damn well fusion reactors exist , they just don't have a positive output yet. making a negative output is fucking easy , you can do one yourself with a few parts , and it's done a lot by highschool students in science class.

>Go look up the pics of antartica and that ice expedition, and tell me what you find there
What's that ? Huge boats with small generators, and a fuckhuge power-converting unit ? what could that be , i wonder ?

>>32128914
the reactor can be the size you want, what needs to be done is to make the reaction work for more than a few seconds without sending it tons of power and recieving half of it. (i'm just going blind at this point , i'm too lazy to search the actual percentage of output/input ratio but i know it's around 50%)
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>>32126101
It's a dud.

A decoy.

An empty fuselage that orbits the earth for 356 days at a time so that the gubbmint can justify dumping billions of dollars into "classified research" aka, the slush fund.

This is where all the money for the off the books shit comes from, and the space dud is the cover for taking that money.
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I got this image of it through my telescope.
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>>32126101
directed energy weapons used against the American people?
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>>32127284
Fan fact: F-16's EPU is powered by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrazine as well. After emergency landing ground crews should wear NBC gear. And of course crash sites of F-16 are toxic, don't play on their remains, kids.
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>>32126101
It's not a weapon. It's an escape pod from a planet.
When the nukes and bioweapons hit, the elite will board these and take off. They'll have to be up there for a year.
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>>32127284
Nope, those are fuel suits. Hydrazine is toxic shit.
Source: My dad and grandfather made shit tons of the faceplate holders and locking rings for the gloves and boots for KSC. Wish we still did contracts for them, last time we had one I was too young to run the lathe or the Bridgeport.
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>>32127206
>we're just testing it on our own
>that one satellite that inexplicably heated up and exploded a while back
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>>32128635
This is shitposting at it's finest lads.
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>>32127131
Why does it look like it is made out of cardboard?
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>>32130415
It is. This is to cut down on cost and weight.
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>>32126101
Apparently it detects autistic people.
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>>32127345
It's not that type of radiation, anon.
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a weapon to surpass metal gear
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>>32126218
The Air Force also has 10x the amount of fags that the Navy does. Not even joking either. All white males in security forces are fags and all of their women fuck black guys.
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>>32128448
Silver nitrate? What do you mean
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>>32128699
read your comment and couldn't remember which board i was on.
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>>32130703
>Found the guy pissed he couldn't get a date with either
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>>32130680
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>>32130705
the retard believes in chemtrails
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Every once in a while we have a thread about this, and it always gets buried somehow and nobody pays attention to it.

1. It changes trajectory far too much for the fuel it can possibly carry. See amateur tracking sites.
2. Go ask 100 people and see if they even know it exists. If you find one, you're lucky.
3. Why did we exit the ABM treaty?
4. I asked Oppenheimer once and he gave a bullshit evasive answer. Oppenheimer never comments on anything classified. I doubt he even has this information, but I pay attention to the things he refuses to answer.
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>>32126218
Yes this is true

Last two weeks we spent more time discussing and planning the "Holiday Party" (It's a Christmas party goddamnit I don't celebrate any other fucking kike or muslim or nigger bullshit holidays its Christmas for FUCKS SAKE) than we did actually working.

And on top of it all it cost me $15 to go, and attendance is like low key mandatory

Fucking modern military is a joke man I hate this bullshit
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>>32131439
> See amateur tracking sites.
sauce plox
> 100 people
99.7 sheep, .3 baked teen honors student with an interest in astrophysics and driven paranoid by weed. yeah
> exit ABM treaty
because you think you can win WWIII
> Oppenheimer
too bad he doesn't trip anymore. his silences were golden indeed
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>>32131455
Get a load of this faggot, complaining about going to parties.
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Maybe it's for orbital reconnaissance?
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>>32128682
the level of funding has shot up from "not happening" 5 years ago to "MANHATTAN PROJECT WAS A WET FIRECRACKER, WE FUSION NAO" level today.

the bigger investment funds are scrambling to stuff as many dollars as can fit into any company that's even close to the action... and of course even the big governmental projects like ITER have been forced to admit that yes, they can and do routinely contain the required plasma energies for hours at a time - or risk getting defunded for lagging behind in an unacceptable manner
this is a Human Genome Project moment, and the Craig Venters of the fusion world are winning big
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>>32126180
Better than the Challenger and Colombia
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>>32131513
Funding info source?
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>>32131455

Ive been to a lot of holiday parties/unit picnics whatever and never had to pay, the first shirt or some other higher up always just gave away tickets for any airmen that wanted to go.
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>>32131553
many sources, I keep tabs on this shit as best I can. here's a recent look at one hair in the tail of the elephant...

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160428-the-secretive-billionaire-backed-plans-to-harness-fusion?ocid=global_future_rss
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I don't know what it is but China has one too.
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>>32128655

>a fusion reactor is several dozen meters accross, and around 10-20 tons.

lockmart's reactor is much smaller because it uses a different magnet setup, whereas ITER etc are much larger (and much older)

watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9NQgD_5SP4
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>>32128870

>A working reactor doesn't exist yet.

true but it's theoretically plausible, at least

>LOCKMART IS JUST SAYING THEY CAN MAKE THE GENERATOR SMALL , NOT THE POWER CONVERTER SMALL, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE YET.

power converters, ie turbines, tend to come in a larger variety of shapes and sizes because they are often reused and abused until they can't pass inspection anymore
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>>32126101
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>>32128682

tl;dr the dotcom booms have caused banks to be open to funding stupid shit if it can actually produce a marketable product (even if it's just research licensed/sold to larger companies). Lockmart is the biggest beneficiary here as they did just that (licensing and buying patents) for their current fusion projects.

The big projects like ITER are starting to show real results in real life tests, as opposed to just a theoretical plausibility twenty years ago. Meanwhile LM is putting their credibility on the line claiming they'll have a functional 1 MW prototype sometime next year.

What's really happening? Nobody really knows unless you work in the industry. But it is worth mentioning that it's plausible to build your own nuclear fusor out of a wine bottle, though it'll consume net energy (as opposed to generating it). It's the principle tube TVs worked on.
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>>32131553
>>32131577

silly cone valley VCs will dump money on anything because they're stupid. The more interesting phenomenon is LM putting their foot down on it claiming they'll actually do it.
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>>32131827
it's not just silicon valley
they're just the loudest dumbest motherfuckers on the block, telegraphing their everry move like the market is dumb
others play it differently, but to the same ends
L/M is unique in that they chose to do it in-house, acquiring and acqui-hiring as they go.
others are still skittish enough that they want to be isolated from possible failure
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>>32131845

LM is doing what I said here >>32131815, they took all the patents they could find and combined them. They seem pretty confident in it.
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Didn't they send one of those EM-Drives up some time last year? Give that thing a chance on a small scale, real life test. I'm pretty sure that's what the space plane was up to this time.
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>>32131901
that's just a rumor IBTimes started up because the thing is still in orbit when it should have come down six months ago
they said they were testing a Hall effect thruster (ion drive)
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>>32130703
nice try navy guy
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>>32127884
>using concrete to block neutrons

What is this, 1965?
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>>32127131
These suits are actually standard procedure when handling UDMH (Unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine) which is used to power the RCS (reaction control system). The RCS ports can be seen on the nose and on the back, above the main engines. This stuff is quite toxic and fumes, hence the suit. It is called a SCAPE suit: http://www.wolfhazmat.de/astrosuit/nasa_01.htm
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>>32131455
if only you had actual marketable skills, you could move on to the private sector...
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>>32131955
and the ugly part is they don't even help all that much
the overpressure is what actually keeps the hydrazine out, more than anything.
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>>32128635
INCREASE SHITPOSTING LEVELS
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>>32127090

While the surveillance angle makes sense, there's a couple caveats.

The X-37 is too small to carry a mirror assembly anywhere even close to that of a KH-11 (which is roughly the same size and shape as the HST). So its capacities for surveillance would already be hindered simply from not being able to resolve things as sharply.

The X-37 is smaller than a KH-11 true, and probably has more delta V on hand, but certainly not enough to make drastic changes to its orbit. It IS still a reentry vehicle and needs most of its propellant to simply return. With what? Film? Not worth the trouble. CCDs are good enough and much faster. Go anywhere? An RQ-4 can do that, and in a lot of places so can a U-2S.
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>>32128690
>shits been around already for years. nanites are already a thing. Cancer has been cured because of it. Algae produced gasoline is already a thing, saud has been out of oil since 2008. Mars colony is well underway. Antartica is the home of the most advanced AI singularity quantum computer and is why the polar ice caps keep melting, not CO2.
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>WHAT THE FUCK IS IT

It's the continuation of NASA's FTL system, that they've been working on since 2003
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>>32131526
If I removed your funding, would you die?
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>>32131455

You're in a peace time military. I imagine unless you're flying aircraft you're attending parties. You'll have to do this shit for most corporate companies you work for in life. They're just preparing you for the real world.
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>>32132009
KH-11 is a 40 years old design famalam.
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>>32126630
>Just enough space to store a man laying down.
Time to consider getting that weight under control, right?
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>>32126101
It's the only way they can get your mom around
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>>32131439
It has 3/4 of the delta-v to go from LEO to GEO, no small feat. And when small maneuvers cost 100/300 m/s you can make quite a few inclination/plane changes if they are well planned.

Please don't talk about things you don't understand
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>>32134387

Inclination changes require more than 300 m/s. You're looking at 1000 m/s or more.
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>>32126249
>>32126276
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>>32132106
>>32128769
>Not understanding sarcasm

I'm not even him but Jesus Christ /k/ is so fucking stupid.
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>>32131439
>Oppenheimer
Literally who?
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>>32135797
Gtfo newfag
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>>32135857
Talking about a worthless Tripfag from /k/s "Golden Years", I guess
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>>32135797
what else "didnt he talk about" btw?
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>>32135982
the nukes on the Russian portion of the ISS, and secret testing going on behind the moon.
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>>32136010
>the nukes on the Russian portion of the ISS, and secret testing going on behind the moon.
Probably because he doesn't entertain horseshit.
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>>32136027
>im-fucking-plying
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>>32136052
Thats in the same category as the guys who claim nuclear weapons don't exist.
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>>32132347
It would be extremely inconvenient.
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>>32136073
but srsly he couldn't talk about some stuff that is easily googlable, and was not privy to many technical details anyway.
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>>32136097
You're a small plane.
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>>32136181
For you.
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sauce on any of the orbit changes?
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>>32126101
it's electric eye.
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>>32127952
NEUTRONS ARE ELECTRONS AND PROTONS ARE NEUTRONS WITH ELECTRONS WTF GUYS!!
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>>32131439
You got sources on the delta v stats and maneuvers.
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>>32131582
we should just nuke those chinks.
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>>32131439
>3. Why did we exit the ABM treaty?
Russia violated it back in '03 rendering the treaty moot.
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>>32135339
Kek
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>>32136723
Source
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>mfw I got to see the x37 real up close at Space Center Houston before it became a super secret xcom project
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>>32126101
Can't you people just enjoy your freedom and stop annoying the people who provide it?
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>>32136921
Like I'm going to listen to a Col. Jessup poster
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>>32136363

in the sky
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>>32128630
>toroidal plasma
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>>32135857
>>32135914

Faggots, both of you.

Oppenheimer was realtively new, but based as all fuck, either at roleplaying or nuclear weapons.
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>>32139132
>realtively new
It was a few years now.
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>>32136896
cool. did you touch it?
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>>32127790
or it's just a PR stunt to increase stock prices
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Long duration experiments are usually passive (eg, materials exposure). Long duration active systems would more likely be conducting background measurements of some kind or actual surveillance functions. If the payloads were “benign” technology (such as improved solar cells or electric thrusters), the level of secrecy being invoked simply invites unwanted speculation.
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>>32142502
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>>32127231
the other nation can track it in space you know, in fact people with self build equipment are tracking it. it's no magic - no such thing as stealth in space.
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>>32142509
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>>32127720
EM drive is a meme like cold fusion and thorium reactors
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>>32142519
>it's no magic - no such thing as stealth in space.


LOL
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>>32126101
the old shuttle had a bay built into it
a few supposed uses

launching satellites
abducting satellites so as to repair or hack them
delivering nukes from space
keeping random cargo in
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>>32142542

keystone was #1
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>>32142545
http://history.nasa.gov/shuttle_patches.html
I grew up in the 90s when there was still some hype about the shuttle
never heard anything sinister about it at the time
but looking over old mission patches gives some clues
>>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Magnetic_Spectrometer
but turns out its nothing
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>>32142597

og shuttle was small

AF/CIA wanted it to be big enough or spy sats
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>>32142527
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-news/observing-news/how-to-spot-the-usafs-mini-shuttle-x-37b-2010201522/

kys
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>>32142630


lol
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>>32142630
>mfw x-37b has a decoy that curtails suspicion while real x-37b goes stealth mode to stir shit up.
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>>32142626
most of the sts patches are lead to innocuous mission objectives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuttle_Radar_Topography_Mission
shuttle seems to be something between a dump truck and a mobile workshop lab
and many patches have the America fuck yea theme

usaf squadron patches are fun to browse though though
either for the jokes or the obscure references
http://cabinetmagazine.org/issues/24/paglen.php
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>>32139132
He's still posting fucboi
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>>32136921
If i dont have the freedom to question my freedom, am i really free?
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>>32142711
As much as the game sucked, the real tragedy was the wasted worldbuilding. I need to know why NASA went full retard, these patches hint at some crazy 80s timeline.
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>>32136921
what if your elite and authoritative figures have begun to lose their sensibility and competence
they can become obstinate and not know when to take pause and properly consolidate gains
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>>32143130
rods from god
ion cannons
apollo and daphne
odin

even if they are just reference to hair brained schemes they are still aesthetic as fuck
the usaf has an entire series of patches making fun of ayee lmao and Roswell
also ghosts and wraiths show up alot
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>>32140930

If it was a PR stunt they wouldn't put pin a year (2020) onto a prototype. It may seem trivial but it pisses off investors companies slap dates on things then ignore them.

Which again, tells me that Lockmart has already proven the concept in a lab somewhere.
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>>32143243
This >>32143130 patch list from cod ghosts teases at some universe where the US dumped NASA's budget into weapons & Hugo Chavez was crowned emperor. Possible patch chronological order, @ ~1 launch/year:
>Freedom Initiative: DoD takeover of NASA?
>2: 1988-89, Freedom Station construction
>3: 1991, Freedom Station expansion?
>5: 1993?, Virgin Star module
>Ring: 1994?, 7 names=standard shuttle crew
>7: 1995?, Rods from god firing test
>10 Years: 1998?, Weaponizing Freedom Station?
>1999: Rod cluster launched
>XI: 2000?, Orbital targeting tests
>Operation Velius: 2001?, more rod clusters
>XX: 2008?, Full Dawn, ODIN prototype/construction?
>XXIII: 2011?, 10th Wonder=ODIN expansion?
>Let Freedom Reign: 2013?, 25th anniversary
>XVII: 2016, ODIN complete
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>>32126101
maybe someone should shoot it down and see?
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>>32127391
It was implemented as a purely rocket based system. that means, carrying your own oxygen. That's retarded in atmosphere that's full with the stuff. Superman Returns had kind of the right idea, let's launch our spaceplane from a normal plane. the delta v we get there is going to give us a lot of advantage. Same reason why virgin atlantic/space uses a mothership to launch their rockets.
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>>32142626
Wasn't one of the proposed missions for it by the CIA/USAF to capture Soviet satellites and put equipment on them ala the wire taps the USN did?
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>>32128039
Needed for when Raven's Rock decides to put the Russian presidential candidate in a gulag.
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Orbital weapon prototype. Think about what that guy said about the SB3 Ghoul, he also said they used the X-37B as a mini test bed for kinetic bombardment. Its classified because of weapons in space aren't allowed, which is a total farce, of course every major power has weaponized space already.
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>>32142597
>>32142711
>>32143130
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-247
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>>32132009
I agree. Im fairly sure it's either filled with ELINT/SIGINT equipment to gather information on communications from long range.

But it doesn't really make sense unless its gathering from satellites. I guess it could also be a weapons platform for anti satellite, but again, it doesn't really make sense either. Maybe a development platform for future aircraft?
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>>32128898
>Go look up the pics of antartica and that ice expedition, and tell me what you find there.
Wut?
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>>32131472
so that explains why he wouldn't tell me whether there were nukes on the black market. I showed him the VICE piece on it and his only answer was
>I think i'm going to puke

granted, vice a shit, but that piece seemed reasonable to me and his reaction tells me that there has to be something to it.
With that in mind, do you think that there will christian extremists who are hardcore enough to nuke ISIS?
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>>32144055
Whatever is on board is on it because the X-37 can bring it right back down again. This is why looking at OTV-4 and what its doing (the ion engine + materials tests) is important when looking for context. Those two experiments can be brought back and examined in detail, rather than relying solely on whatever data was generated in orbit.

I suspect OTV-1 was merely a test flight for the vehicle itself, trying out its systems in a live environment, it might have had some payload but nothing terribly exciting. OTV-2 and 3 are the two interesting ones since they are both classified. They almost certainly made some changes based on findings from OTV-1 and were examining those, along with whatever potential payloads it has.

Whatever else its taking up with it are things that benefit from being returned after exposure to the environment of space, or that wouldn't be appropriate to be sent to the ISS for experiments there (due to their classified nature).
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>>32144099
>nukes on the black market

yeah, no. It doesn't work on so many planes.
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>>32142521
I'll give you cold fusion and probably EM drive, but thorium reactors are perfectly sound. Not for like powering cars and shit like morons think, but as a safer alternative to light water reactors they're pretty appealing.
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>>32144166
Why not?
Once they are out of military hands, what is supposed to get them back in to them? Do you think that government agencies have those places under total control? because they do not. See Paris, 9/11, ISIS in general. What is to stop these people from buying a nuke from the former soviets? Their military was left to it's own devices and soldiers sold their uniforms and rifles for food. Why shouldn't someone sell a few warheads?
>MHD
I know that 1950's cores would be dead after 20 years.
But I have no clue about more modern designs.
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>>32144287
Attacking a public location and stealing a nuclear device are two completely different animals. What do you think the US agencies would do if they thought someone had such a thing on sale?

Firstly, nobody would probably buy it since nobody other than the nuclear countries have the capacity to launch or detonate it, and nobody would want to sell it due to the aforementioned reasons. You might think lowly of the russians post-berlin wall, but do you seriously think some soviet guy could manage to sell a nuclear device to some random criminal without raising any eyebrows?
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>>32131582
>china has a toy plastic model too

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