LVL III+ STEEL plates

>>32108261
You're gonna want level 3, any brand really. Level 3+ is for handgun and shotgun. I would say skip level 3 and just get ceramic level 4

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>>32108261
>steel

Enjoy your severed Carotid

>>32108261

Alright noarmors, IIIA is what is not rifle rated. Note the A. III -WILL- stop 7.62x39 and x51 barring some wierd projectile. If it can't, it doesn't meet the NIJ`s criteria for being III armor. The end.

...But fucking buy level 4 standalone ceramics. They're not much more expensive.

>>32108308

>Hurr dur spalling u guise

gr8b8m8.

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>>32108261
Always reminds me of pic related

>>32108318
THIS


Do not buy steel. Buy ceramic. The stuff SKD sells is good.

>>32108261
>Power source
had a hearty chuckle

Please, please don't buy steel. Ceramics don't cost much more unless you need a larger size

>>32108332
>>32108318

But muh multistrike

>>32108360
ceramics handle multistrike just fine nigger, unless you're taking 6+ shots and you're definitely doing something wrong by then

>>32108360
Ceramics are multistrike capable, just like any other armor, they lose integrity after the first hit. Unless you're taking a ton of .308 AP fire, you're good. Stop with this bullshit about dinner plates and multi-hit
Do you think the militaries of the world would still be using ceramics if steel was better?

>>32108330
is it just me or is that image's quality getting shittier and shittier

>>32108375
>.gov
>using the best of anything

>>32108397
>not an argument

>>32108360
if you're getting shot multiple times in the chest, you're doing something wrong

>>32108404
>this is a retort

>>32108261
Level 3 is a fucking meme, if you want to trust your life to a meme be my guest but I wont.

>>32108426
not him or peter but that really isn't an argument. >>32108375 was talking about how ceramics were effective enough to do the job while you started strawmanning with " hurr >guv contracts"

>>32108360
The NIJ testing that certifies plates defines level 4 as multiple hits. Every IV ceramic plate is multi hit.

Ballistic ceramics != dinner plates

>>32108426
Look, if you can't fucking afford level IV armor then you have no business buying armor in the first place. There is no reason to buy steel armor over ceramic in any case at all. Wait until you actually have some money and invest in gear wisely. I'm so fucking tired of telling people not to buy steel and to buy ceramics, it's getting ridiculous.

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I bought III+ from Spartan. I got swimmer cut, triple curve, they're comfortable enough.

I got steel because I wanted swimmer cut and couldn't find any ceramic swimmers in my price range.

Having used them now, the swimmer cut isn't that much better than SAPI and I will be buying a set of lvl4 ceramics.

>>32108480

>Look, if you can't fucking afford level IV armor then you have no business buying armor in the first place.

No, this is wrong and stupid.

Yes, ceramics are better.
Yes, steel is better than your fucking breastbone at stopping bullets.

Get some fucking armor.

>>32108500
It isn't wrong and stupid. If you can't afford the $40 price hike of ceramics over steel then you are in not in a position to be buying armor in the first place and should make better financial decisions

>>32108531

So there's a 4 piece set of level 4 ceramic for 40$ over bare AR500 steel at around 150?

>>32108308
>Malarchuk

Wew that was a nasty nick he got; never saw blood spray like that until I saw it. Apparently the trainer on their bench had been a medic in Nam and managed to stop the bleeding just enough so he got to the hospital without bleeding out.

I keep seeing testing videos for 3a steel plates with .308 never 5.56 (m885 and m193)

Now my question is:
How well do they stand up to m855 and m193 5.56.

I've shot random steel "plates" in the past (usually old flywheels. Sometimes brake rotors) and usually .308 will just leave a dent while m855 goes through like it's not even there. Same with steel core 7.62x54r. Just leaves a dent.

So, all these test about how will it do against standard .308 doesn't really mean shit to me.

>>32108585
https://armour-wear.com/shop/all/carriers/tpg-armour-wear-package/
Just sell the PC it comes with if you don't want it

>>32108595
IIIa is for pistol rounds. See >>32108318

If you mean III+ or III then you can find some tests of them being shot with m193, which consistently defeats III. III+ is a non-standard term made up by retailers to describe steel plates which can defeat m193.

Spartan has videos of their III+ plates defeating m193 at velocities of 3100 or under, which is on the cusp at CQB ranges from a 16" barrel. A 20" barrel firing m193 will defeat even III+ at CQB ranges.

>>32108585
Alternatively, a multi-curve 3+ plate of ar500 is roughly $115, while a multi curve level iv ceramic is $175. That's assuming you're a 10x12. $60 isn't shit for anyone who has a job that isn't a cashier.

>>32108674
>poor people shouldn't have body armor

Fuck off, guy.

>>32108627

So best case scenario with that is a extra 100$ for the side panels. So 350$ compared to 150$ for a full set of level 3 plates.

Personally would rather have the steel plates but that's me , though the weight of ceramic makes it better. Like the idea of not having the armor that compromised by a pistol round though so that's my own stance on it.

what about these

https://www.shellbacktactical.com/black-friday-special-shellback-tactical-prevail-level-iv-hard-body-armor-plates-1145-2-plate-deal/

>>32108722
>not an argument
$60 should not be a deciding factor, save one more day's worth of money you worthless nigger

>>32108674

Again big picture that's 60$ over the steel , that's about 100$ over for the back plate to , then about a good chunk like 60$ for side plates for a full set. All in all 160$ extra.

>>32108728
>>32108741
Have you ever used armor before? Side panels suck ass to actually wear and move around in. Your best option is level 3a soft armor under a level 4 ceramic pc

Lvl 4 ceramic plate for $100 Black Friday sale.

https://uspalm.com/product/level-iv-hard-armor-plate/

>>32108289
I think you have IIIA and III+ confused

IIIA is the handgun soft armor

III+ is an unofficial rating greater than level III rifle resistance but not quite as heavy as a level IV rifle plate but a bit lighter.

>>32108748

Then your still arguing 180$ front and back steel to 325$ ceramic. It is a larger bump , ceramic stops higher velocity and harder penetrating rounds but is greatly compromised if shot before compared to steel that have a limit for velocity and rounds but won't get compromised as easily.

All in all if you have the money on hand ceramic is better but that doesn't mean steel isn't out of the question for those who want protection. They both serve a good purpose.

>>32108802
read >>32108758
ceramics are not as greatly compromised as you say. As someone who has taken multiple rounds in ceramics I can say they work just fucking fine. Wait for deals, buy ceramic.

>>32108261
>FAL
>11 mags
>Full sized double-stack pistol in .45 ACP
>3 mags (assuming 15 rounds each?)
>Helmet
>Bunch of other shit
>Wants plates as well

Dude, you're not gonna have a fun time with all that weight. If i had to try and guess, I figure the firearms and ammo alone would come to... actually, perhaps 20lb? Wow, I was expecting more. 20lb for 220 rifle rounds and 45 pistol rounds that weigh as much as rifle rounds, that's friggin' good!

I figure the rifle is about 9lb unloaded, the mags about 1.5lb loaded each, the pistol around 1.5lb, 45 rounds of .45 ACP is about 2lb, possibly a little more. Add the weight of the mags... still, with all that other shit, PLUS plates, yeah he'll be set up just about as good as a modern (or maybe 1980s with that rifle) soldier it would seem, but it's gonna be fucking heavy as Hell to lug around. Hydration carrier, meaning water I assume. Yeah water is a necessity in life, but it's also heavy as shit as well. Cool stuff OP, but unless you're heading to like, Afghanistan or some REALLY bad part of Africa or something, I'd calm down. However that said, if you're actually trying to fit the bill when they say "well-regulated Militia", fucking spot-on. You've taken a page from the book of Switzerland and got it right... as long as you've got SOME sort of training to back up that intense loadout! Seriously, is it possible for ANY country in the world to have a better Militia than the Swiss?

/belch

God that was a good dinner. Fresh herbs in stuffing are a taste multiplier.

Soooo... as counterintuitive as it sounds to my hunter's ears, I understand that it is velocity, and not so much mass and/or bullet construction, that defeats armor. Is that correct?

And if it is, and you're worried about fighting bad guys in armor, wouldn't something like a 22-250 be the ultimate defensive arm...?

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>>32108975
>God that was a good dinner.
Hoping you'd choked to death.

>>32108975
If they were using steel, yes

>>32108593
They basically duck taped his neck shut. Crazy shit.

>>32108830
>not as greatly compromised
but they are still compromised per your words, no?
why not buy something that you know will take more hits? are you that frail to use the weight argument?

>>32109002
What does one do to penetrate ceramic? Does bullet construction and weight come back into play?

>>32109064
Yes
Basically ceramic stops bullets by spreading the kinetic energy over the entire area of the plate. Steel stops it because it's hard, that's it, but in doing this, all the energy is focused on one spot. Sort of like using a spark plug to break a window.

>>32108261
Just get some ceramics from BPM

>>32108722
Yes, it's most likely a frivolous purchase and if it isn't than you sure as fuck don't want to cheap out on it to save a pittance.

>>32108472
OK, I'm reading the NIJ documentation and like you said I see absolutely nothing about level IV being only rated for a single hit. But lack of a statement isn't great for repudiating people repeating things they heard on the internet, so do you have a clear source to point to?

I just skimmed https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/223054.pdf but didn't see anything clearly stating all tests are multi-hit tests.

>>32108491
Mason faggot.
Eat a bullet.

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>steel
Kek

>>32108491
Explain your flashlight.

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>>32108863
That's my stuff, it's still lighter than all of this.

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>>32108730
>>32108758


a hundred bucks for a single lvl IV ceramic plate. am i the only one who thinks thats suspicious?

>>32111392
Why dont you take the 320 off your m4 and put its stock back on, like hk intended.

Is your coc as fucked as mine was when we first got them?

>>32111415
Yes...

Yes they are.

They make me jump the damn thing with the CG.

>>32108394
depends where you get it from , news sites alwalys make it look shit like this to protect people fee fees

Lvl 4 ceramics are going out the door at near $100~ a plate right now.

>>32111514
why would that be?

>>32111399
is it only a single plate?

>>32108480
That's why we're here dude.


IF ceramic is the better option (and im not worried about the extra sheckles)
Wouldn't steel be a better long term?

For everyone so worried that it IS steel whats several arguable mentions why steel is worse?
Do the impacts of rounds actually ricochet straight up or some shit?
Lets get some actual knowledge about it.
Thanks again fellas.

>>32110312
>find function
>"multi"
>3 results
>talks about armor plates with ability to withstand multiple hits, but testing only allows 6 shots on a single plate

>>32111399
Not really?
Retailers probably geared up for black friday and the possibility of a Clinton presidency panic. Now everyone is sitting on a lot of stock that they probably dont mind getting rid of.
Besides, your normal lvl 4 single curves usually go for $150. Its when you go into lightweight, extreme cuts, and multicurve lvl 4's, that is when prices go past 200 per plate.

>>32111545
>>32111595

yes. although ive never seen a review or test of either the shellback prevail or hesco's own plate before

>>32108595
AR500 armor's III+ plates stop M193 out of a 22" barrel.

They had a sale a while back and I picked up front, back and two side plates, all curved, for $250.

Now I just need a carrier to put them in. Looking to buy one today hopefully on sale.

>>32108289
Nigga what? 3+ gives superior protection to 3

Ceramic is brittle and will break easily

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>>32108289
>>32108799
>>32111861
Mixed up 3+ with 3A. Regardless get 4

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>>32112201
>that whole story

aint that some shit

anyway after reading more of the 100 dollar plates it seems like them being under NIJ 0101.06 cert i think i feel better about picking up the set and not feel like i was rused

Guys, what about a steel front plate and ceramic side and back plates?

>>32112201
Wait, so he's freaking out about it in 2016, yet apparently in the UK thing, they've been married for 8 years? That doesn't make any sense, the UK thing must be from a different situation.

Since it's a plate thread, this seems a reasonable time to ask:

What's /k/'s opinion on this plate carrier? http://www.ar500armor.com/operator-ii-plate-carrier-w-armor-and-pouches-black-9255.html

It seems reasonably priced for what you get, but I also see they only offer up level 3/3+ plates with it. Am I correct in assuming you could still fit level 4 ceramics in there?

Sorry I'm a noob (._. )

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>>32112979
be on the lookout for LBT. on 2 occasions now theres been sales on Ebay for end of contract models going for roughly 200 shekels

not mine. its another anons from a gear queer general

>>32108480
This

If you're not buying lvl iv nij06 you're literally saying "I want to protect my life, but honestly my life isn't worth THAT much"

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>>32113143
m8, LBT is having a sale right now: http://lbtinc.com/bfcm16

I'm still doing some research though.
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?98664-Plate-Carrier-Member-Survey-Review/

I really like the idea of LBT's CASS system that distributes the armor weight to the hips though. Haven't heard of another carrier that has that option.

God, that green is so fugly, but it's what I might end up going with for my flecktarn loadout.

>>32113143
How does an lbt carrier stack up against a Pig Plate Carrier? I have the latter but see the former on sale.

update bump

>>32110742
Not a mason. No Masonic shit in that picture that I know of?

>>32110999
What about it?

>>32111561
splatter
bullets that disintegrate or just bounce off the steel plate, because that's the point of steel vs. ceramic.
all those pieces of shit has to go somewhere, and the angle of the plate puts your head/neck/arms/legs in the way of splatter.
You have the coatings on steel plate that acts to catch and contain all that shit, but it wears out.

>>32115245
I've done basic research on it but not as gratuitous as some.
Do you have a general idea as to how long the coating lasts?

>>32113369
Is it worth cancelling an order on another plate carrier to order from LBT?

I always hear how good they are but I'm not sure if it's worth cancelling another order over it. The price would end up being about the same.

>>32116302
What's the other plate carrier?

I'm in the market for my first one so I can't tell you for certain. I've found that thread I linked helpful so far though, interesting to see different perspectives.

>>32116489
Warrior Assault Systems DCS.

http://www.warriorassaultsystems.com/elite-ops-range/amour-carriers/dcs-plate-carrier/dcs-ranger-green/dcs-m4-ranger-green/

Reviews on it seem good but many of them were from airshitters, and like I've said I've heard of LBT before and it's always held in high regard.

I'm not sure if I want to buy the LBT stuff now and hope I can cancel the DCS carrier order in the morning without having a huge cancellation fee along with doing so.

>>32116534
Yeah... I'd honestly see if you can cancel. I've never heard of these guys. Not saying that means it's a bad carrier - seems to check the boxes: cordura, mil-spec stitching, etc., but for this type of gear I think name carries some weight. Speaking of weight, that website doesn't say how much the carrier you order weighs... do you know?

You may also want to consider the Mayflower or PIG, I've heard good things and the former is in the same price range: http://www.skdtac.com/Plate-Carriers-s/15309.htm

LBT sale is going on until Sunday so unless they sell out I'd wait until tomorrow.

Do you have plates already or are you waiting to get the carrier before buying those?

>>32116686
Not sure what it weights, but yeah I think I'm gonna cancel the other order and get the LBT. I'm pretty sure there isn't a cancellation fee so I might just order the LBT now and cancel the other first thing in the morning when the store opens.

I already have some AR500 armor Level III+ plates I ordered when they had some sale two weeks ago when there were 33% off.

>>32108289
Wtf? Are u retarded?

>>32108308
Yeah. Good call. I would rather have a rifle round in my chest.