Milsurp bb

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Behold my shit luger, needs a refinish and a good gunsmith.

Anyone know of a good place to buy SMLEs and .303 ammo?

I just watched Lawrence of Arabia and I want to make some impulsive purchases

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>>32086463
If no LGS near you carries milsurp, checking Gunbroker might be your best bet to get an SMLE.

As far as ammo goes, SG Ammo has PPU .303 for 70-75 cents per round, depending on quantity. I haven't seen any surplus .303 for a while now. You can also check AmmoSeek for cheaper options, though I would advise caution with the Wolf steel case stuff. It keyholed badly out of my No 4 Mk 1.

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>>32086072
>Git out
Fucking make me.

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Here's most of my US stuff aside from the individual equipment items like belts, holsters, helmets, etc.

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>1965 Bundeswehr P1

>>32087474
Frog guns are no better than frog posters.
>>32087532
That is a mighty fine collection.

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>>32087686
That was a neat project. All I did to my 1986 P1 was put a set of wood grips on it.

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>>32087532
Oh shit, it's Drake.

Your old collection photo is background on my phone still.

>>32087344
never noticed until now the garand has a qt pot belly

>>32087735
I've considered getting a full size upper for the thing just for funsies, or maybe having a smith make a 6" or 7" upper using a barrel blank, either 9mm or .22 TCM.

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Is it normal to rub my dick on my Nugget?

I mean, like, just along the bolt.

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>>32086072
My Swedish meatball gun. Standard sidearm for the Ikea military before the Lahti.

>>32087814
Are you calling my raifu fat?

Is a non-matching 1903A3 or Enfield no4 mk1 (or mk2) worth it as a shooter if the condition of all parts is excellent or like-new?

Price is sub $500.

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>>32087978
I would get an ultrasound to check for garandlings

Also i want a peach kar

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>>32088039
wrong kar

>>32087986
>1903A3
Yes.
>Enfield
Maybe. Where I am it would be yes.

>>32087986
Can't speak for an '03, but with an Enfield you want to make sure the bolt matches the receiver so it headspaces properly. It's not necessarily catastrophic if it doesn't match, but there may be more work involved to get the proper bolt head.

How much would an original matching M95 in original 8x50 go for? Is there a difference in prices between Steyr made rifles, FEG rifles, and Bulgarian rifles?

Is there anything "Wrong" with Yugo SKS's? Are they different from the other models in any intrinsic way? Everything I read about them makes me think they are the best quality SKS rifles you can buy, despite them being overly mass produced / imported and having zero collector value.

They are cheaper, more accurate, have better sights, newer production, and have more features than all the others.

Talk me out of it?

>>32088039
Now you seem to be suggesting that my Garand is an unfaithful whore.

>>32088344
The only thing I'm aware of is that the Yugo SKSs don't have chrome-lined bores like the Chinese or later Russian ones do.

I guess the gas valve is an additional point of failure, but I've not heard of anything major with it.

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>gun show in philly this weekend
>try to get off work saturday
>oh sorry we're short check if someone can cover for you!
>nobody responds
>well guess you cant anon!
>when someone else asks for it they just give it to them anyway

>>32088229
$400-Ish

So, you getting a poster and Chrimmas card?

>>32088485
Nah not this time around, I've got one of their posters and got both of their shirts from the most recent

I've got an M95/30, I've just been really itching for an original rifle in it's original caliber so I could experience dat smoothness and not beat my shoulder up and when they released that video today it was perfect timing.

Is it worth it to "restore" a 1903a3?

Thinking about picking one up, cleaning and putting an original stock on, do I can pretend to be private Jackson from saving private Ryan

Also do the 1903 manufacturers make a difference? Springfield, Rock island?

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>>32088524
I wish I had gotten some shirts.

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>>32086072
Got pic related recently

>>32086072

>want K98 because wehraboo
>they cost a fucking fortune

How good are the cheaper alternatives like a Yugo M24/47 or M48?

>>32088723
M48s are quite nice, I used to have an absolutely pristine one I traded last year like a fucking idiot.

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>>32088723
>Cost a fortune
Oh please. You can get a RC for around $500.

>>32088766
Not a nice one though.

>implying there are nice Russian captures anyway

>>32088777
You can get a nice shooter for under $900 all day long.

>>32088743

Any real differences between the 24/47 and 48 in terms of performance?

>>32088766

RC's are a possibility, but the issue is I've yet to ever see any in my local area. Purchasing online is always a possibility, but I'm incredibly neurotic and like to personally inspect things before buying them.

>>32088798
>real differences between the 24/47 and 48 in terms of performance?
No. Why would there be?

>>32088789
900 is insane, but then again, I got my K98 back in 2005 for 160 bucks.

>>32088846

Just double checking. All the info I've seen about the Yugo Mausers is that the 24/47 and 48 are pretty much identical, but the 24/47 uses older stocks. I just wanted to be sure there wasn't a reason to buy one and avoid the other.

Okay I see cheap sporterized mausers all the time


Realistically, since I have never done any gun smithing or anything, how easy is it to put the shooty parts on an another mauser stock?


or is there more to it then I think?

>>32088890
If the metal parts haven't been fucked with, it shouldn't be tough.

Difficult part is finding a sporterized K98 that wasn't completely and irreversibly ruined during its run in with bubba

>>32088723

I bought two K98's roughly 6 months ago. Both are in very good condition. One is a yugo rework that I got for 350, the other was a RC that I got for 600.

The RC is pretty cool. It appears to have an original german finished stock. All the marks are intact, and it doesn't have an X.

>>32086072
How do you like your m1917?

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>Russian
>Hungarian
>Chinese

>>32089257
Mine is probably my favorite WW1 rifle to
shoot, which is really saying something cause thats most of my collection.

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>>32089687

>>32089687
Have to agree, my P14 is a joy to shoot.

>>32089801
>shot an uncles new luger
>grip felt nice and it pointed nice but the trigger was meh and firing felt like every other gun with maybe a bit more backwards push than a normal recoil
It's pretty to look at so I'll get one eventually but I had it in my head as some sublime experiance.

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>>32089912
trigger should be the lightest pull of anything from the period....might have a trigger spring issue (they cant be a pain in the ass to replace, theyre smaller than a gook's dick)

I have a gun supposedly carried by a Belgian officer in WW1 but have no real proof other than a lanyard ring stud, it's a bog standard no name double action gun but I'm wondering if it would be heresy to reblue or parkerize it. There really isn't patina much less there was really poor bluing and it kind for of wore off and rusted away over time.

Y'all go ahead and throw your boogers everywhere then.

>>32088668
Define restore, Fudd will likely take a hacksaw to a barrel to make it a duress gun, you aren't going to be fixing that without a lot of cash and time.

That being said there are plenty of build guides on how to do so but be warned it gets expensive to do it right and if you aren't going to do it right there is little point in doing a conversion like that.

Almost all manufacturers are the same, American QC is usually top notch.

>>32088693
They'll have more
>tfw ww1 Era miksurp is expensive enough for Battlefield fags to not drive price up and obscure cheap guns will continue to be obscure and cheap because C&Rsenel aren't that popular

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theres like 5 of these bad boys coming up at Rock Island in a couple weeks

What's the best way to clean a nugget after using corrosive ammo?

>>32090302
you can do the hot water and soap, and then dry with patches and follow with a light coat of oil, or get some legit cleaning solvents and use them.

>>32090353
Solvents like hoppes or something stronger? Do I need to pay extra attention to the chamber or just scrub everything?

>>32090490
barrel/chamber/bolt (esp the bolt face/firing pin)

i dont use hopps cause i hate the smell --- i use a combination of Safariland CLP and REM Oil.

there used to be this S&W product that was the best cleaner ever, but it got discontinued because of extreme toxicity.

>>32090528
What's the best way to scrub the chamber. Normally I just use a toothbrush, but I want to be thorough and not possibly ruin my new rifle

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Any body know the value on a Military surplus colt A2 upper?

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>>32090552
toothbrush is fine.

i also use oily rags, cut up old shirts, Q Tips

>>32090565
Thanks friendo

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>>32090576
anytime. thats why we have these threads :-)

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ugh, no idea what I am going to bid on at RIA next weekend. too many cool things.

>>32089257
I love that gun, its a little heavier so it soaks up the recoil better and the sights are god teir.

>>32090931
I wana start, some guys get killer deals on some of the more obscure stuff.

>>32087840
If you don't cram as much of your head into the breech as possible you're doing it wrong.

>>32087532
>all that delicious Black Walnut

>>32089257
>>32089687
1917 was the best bolt action design on of the war. In fact out of all Mauser knockoffs it was probably the best, you could even argue it was better than the 98k with those sights.

>>32086072

>They are cheaper, more accurate, have better sights, newer production, and have more features than all the others.

>cheaper
Than a russian sks. Cost the same as a chinese

>more accurate
Not really. They all have similar performance. I have owned chinese, russian, and yugo

>have better sights
Lol no. Same standard sks sights that all other countries made. If you find one with tritium night sights, it's probably burnt out from age

>newer production
Yes, but this doesn't mean its better somehow. Russians are considered the best quality, and they were only made during the early 50s

>more features
This is the bad part. You don't want the extra features. It's true that you can find and launch dummy grenades, but there's tons of people in the forums who have cycling problems due to a leaky gas cut off valve

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>>32088229
The styer ones command a higher price, insofar ive found the quality to be the same.
Found out my recent purchase is a bulgarian rifle, dated 1909 from a hungarian arsenal.

>>32088717
Im jelly, ive been searching arounf Northern nevada for one. No luck.

Id really like a 1911 infantry or 96/11 infantry instead of a k11 but hey.

How much did you pay?

I was up all night looking at the rock island catalog...

Leaning towards a G41, but hard to get megahyped over something that can't be regularly shot. I wish i had the cash to make a play for the c96 carbine or one of the experimental semi auto prototypes.

They have an m1911 bang rifle barreled action with a low estimate , but i would need good schematics and a CNC machine to make the missing parts.

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Bump

>>32092548
329 shipped.

>>32092932
>what liberals believe

>>32090586

Nice FN49, how does it handle and shoot? I heard they can give the Garand a run for their money. Might have even been the superior rifle if they made it to production during WW2.

>>32088039
>>32088044
Those are purdy. Beech or birch stocks that have been bleached ??

>>32093198
Very nice, all the ines ive seen for sale are generally about 60 bucks more than that.

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Updated my rifle picture

>>32093289
Handles great. Shoots like a champ. Only issue it ever has is once in a awhile a spent casing gets jammed between the rod and the new round entering the chamber. Hard jam to clear, would definitely get you killed in combat. (Even had one of these at nugget fest while an anon was firing it). Aside from that it's a fantastic rifle.

>>32094251
But what is it?

>>32094419
A type 38

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>>32093299
That's what i'm trying to find out. As far as ive researched, there were three kar wood:
1) Walnut
2) Beech laminated plywood with red glue
3) Beech laminated plywood with white glue

I think #2 and 3, when brand new, would have looked super light.

Mitchell was able to fake the 'brand new repro' look by sanding their russian captures and applying some color treatment.

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>>32087532
Is that an Italian Walnut stocked M1898?

>>32094251
10/10 photo

Anyone here have experience with Spanish Masuers converted to 308?

I want one for a cheap entry to a larger caliber, but have heard that they have problems with modern ammo. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

>>32095607
cheap entry to a larger caliber. get a savage axis. or a rem 700 from walmart. they come in any caliber and are about 300-400 and come with a scope. if you want milsurp mosins can still be had for around 300 mausers for 350

>>32095607
You're listening to idiots that incorrectly claim that .308 is much hotter than 7.62NATO. Suffice to say, those guys are idiots.

The stock on my CMP M1 is new, and has a sorta rough "raw wood" kind of texture, is there any kind of wax or chemical type solution I can apply to it to smooth it out some? I don't want to darken it any, I just want to smooth it out without having to rub it with my hands like I'm jerking it off for a few days.

also, whats a good price on a matching, not-rusted-to-shit Type 30 with the cover still in place?

>>32095495
Thanks man. I'm trying to get better at taking gun pictures

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>>32086072
Sexiest rifle coming through.

>>32089687

Post barrel shank pic of Russian M44 pls.

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>>32096579
Long time no see, m8? Still out of the collecting loop?
>needz more Arisakas in hurr

>>32096579
Ill post it in the morning after work.

Keep it bumpin.

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>>32096475
One of these days I'll have to get a non * SMLE.

Mine was, it's just missing all of those bits.

My shipment of jap ammo came today. So frigging hyped.

>>32098196
Same, 1916 from the Enfield factory. No I Mk III*.

>>32087532
How much did that Thompson run you, I see new production ones for around $1200, more or less?

Are "low number" Springfields safe? During the arsenal refinish in WWII did they test them with higher pressure loads, or just give them to any GI that needed a bangstick? Is the P stamp a firing proof or something else?

>>32098785
Yes they are safe. I have one and shoot it all the time. Just stick to M2 Ball. Dont go shooting 220 Hi Pressure loads through em.

>>32098804
I'm very seriously considering purchasing one. SA 1-42 Barrel and stock has SA/GAW on it. First three serial numbers are 757.

>>32098785
Most likely, the ones that weren't safe have already exploded. The safe thing to do is to not shoot one, but most likely, if it's lasted this long, it's probably fine. However, I would suggest against handloading for one, and would suggest sticking to lower-pressure loads.

>>32098884
How much? Also if its got a 1942 barrel then is more the likely safe. If you are really that scared of shooting it then buy a post 800,000 Springfield, post 200,000 Rock Island or an M1903A3

>>32098936
$650 probably more with S&H

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>>32098947
I payed 650 for mine too lol. Like I and >>32098914 said, just stick to M2 Ball or stuff like PPUs or even Wolf Military Classic

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>>32098785
>Are "low number" Springfields safe?
Define safe? The chances of one blowing up is a lot less than having a car accident driving to the range to shoot it, much less for dying from one blowing up. BUT, there are SAFER ones to shoot. Tbh, it's not that low numbers blow up, it's how they blow up compared to the high numbers. The really bad ones that failed shattered into shrapnel.

>During the arsenal refinish in WWII did they test them with higher pressure loads, or just give them to any GI that needed a bangstick?
Yes, low numbers were re-proved to see if they would blow up or not.

>Is the P stamp a firing proof or something else?
The P on the stock does mean that it was proved. Of course, if stocks were switched often enough so it doesn't always mean that the action was proved with that stock.

>>32098968
>>32098984
>>32098914
Thanks guys. I'll just prep some space for payday then

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>Gee Billy, your mom let you have TWO SMLE's?

>>32099328
Is the one on the left a .410 conversion?

Looking into buying a 98k. I'm in the market for a good condition early war model that I can shoot, and that still shows off the excellent craftsmanship of the gun and the smoothness. Is going around a grand or less feasible?

How do I not get ripped the fuck off. I'm paranoid of accidentally buying a Mitchell's. Is there an import mark on them?

What are some good resources to learn what to look for?

>>32099497
>Is going around a grand or less feasible?
Yes.
>How do I not get ripped the fuck off.
Read read read. Try the Kar.98k board at Gunboards and the K98k forum.
>I'm paranoid of accidentally buying a Mitchell's. Is there an import mark on them?
Mitchell's will have polished in-the-white bolts and ridiculously clean-looking stocks usually blonde beech laminate stocks.

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>>32099328
I don't have any SMLEs....yet.

>>32099488
>Gee is that why there is .410 shells on it

>>32099488
Yeah, I have yet to shoot it but so far Im pretty happy with it. It used to be a normal SMLE Mk III made by LSA in 1914 but it was redone by the Poo-In-Loos in 1932, which apparently is an uncommon year for the .410 enfields

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Don't worry it's not molested, it's a removable mount, ready for hunting season

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Just bought a P14 for $250, bore is dark but good rifling, everything marked Eddystone, but bolt could be an Eddystone replacement during the weiners standard update pre-WWII. Top handguard is not matching. Did I do good?

Pic related, some of the mil surp, with the new addition.

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How scarred are your raifus?

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>>32099844
>Just bought a P14 for $250
How? That's pretty good.

What's the series and manufacturer of that Type 99? If you don't know, post a pic like this and I'll tell you.

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>>32099844
You did good. I got my P14 for... $350 I think.

>>32099949
See >>32094251
For mine

>>32087532
Muh dik

>>32100000
checked

>>32099965
Got it from some guy who didn't know what he had/what it was worth and I talked him down on the possibly mismatched bolt, mismatched handguard, and lack of stacking swivel haha.

Type 99 is a Nagoya series 10 if I remember correctly, ground mum, bright bore, everything matching, intact aircraft sights. Too lazy to pull it from the safe to be 100% certain though. Got that for $175.

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>>32100018
Oops, forgot pic

>>32090931
>using a Swiss sawback to prop the gun up
anon pls

>>32099532
This seems a bit off to me because I just found a Mitchell arms mauser with a blued bolt.

>>32100018
>Nagoya series 10
Nope. Can't be with those features.
>>32100028
Closer.

>>32100028
>>32100112
I can't totally make it out, but it looks like a 2nd series. Could also be a 4th, but then the stock would be incorrect.

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>>32100112
>>32100144
God find I pulled it out of the safe. My b, it's a Nagoya series 2. Serial number in the 33,000 range.

Any clue what kind of rando makeshift sling this is? I also can't dismantle the bolt. I depress the cocking knob/safety and turn it all the way CCW till it stops, but it doesn't come apart.

>>32100000
WITNESSED

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>>32100181
Screws are all still staked/peened too so that's also kinda cool.

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>>32100181
That looks similar in construction to an M1 carbine sling. It's probably some USGI equipment strap.
>>32100217
That's how I like them! Both of my Type 99 long rifles have all their screws still staked from the factory.

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>>32086072
So would anyone know the average GUN SHOW price ranges for these?
Going to a gun show in Denver next month. Never been to a CO gun show, so I don't know what to expect

Doubt I'd find any of them, but fuck, you never know.

>All wartime or pre-war
M1 Garand
P14
Type 99 or Type 38
M1 Carbine (I can't imagine how hard it would be to find a '42 or '43)
M1903

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>>32100245
I dig it, it's my first Japanese firearm. Even though it'd ruin the aesthetic, a bent bolt would be awesome and make this a better shooter than my K98ks. I really like the pyramid front sight post, the whole sight picture just clicks with me.

All of this is extremely ironic because I'm Chinese and I hate the fuckin Nips.

>>32100397
NANKING NO HAPPEN
CHINK RIES

>>32100397
>All of this is extremely ironic because I'm Chinese and I hate the fuckin Nips.

its ok anon, im part Czech but I love german and Russian guns as well as Czech guns

>>32099552
You shit eating faggot.

You have surrender monkey rifles but not those of the great mother nation that spawned America? kys.

>>32100312
>M1
$1k or more

>P14
Dunno, never seen them.

>Arisaka
$500+

>M1 Carbine
$750+

>M1903
Depending on exact model, I've seen them from $700 (what I got mine for a few months ago) to $1k+ (which is what I usually see them going for).

>>32098914
>I would suggest against handloading for one

You'd suggest against making sure you have minimum loads firing in that rifle??

>>32099844
>$250 for P14

Mad jelly.

>>32100598
He meant handloading .30-06 to its maximum potential you fucking faggot. kys.

>>32088723
Yugo guns are complete trash

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>>32099949
>How scarred are your raifus?

It's seen some shit.

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Anyone here good at identifying Mauser Gew.98s?

I've got a fucking enigma here if you're interested in feeling like a genius.


Will post detailed shots if anyone bites.

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>>32101088
>Anyone here good at identifying Mauser Gew.98s?
Yes. Can already tell you it was a Gew.98M, which means it was still in German service after WW1.

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>>32101132
>Gew.98M
thanks for the info. Its been a bitch trying to find out anything about this gun.

Would you mind answering a few more questions?

First being, why does it look so different than other Gew.98s? ie, the weird ass wood plate in front of the sights?

Will post more pictures of markings and what not.

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>>32101132
>>32101152
never could find out what these were.

I imagine they're factory markings of some sort.

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>>32101152
>First being, why does it look so different than other Gew.98s? ie, the weird ass wood plate in front of the sights?
It's been sporterized. It no longer has the original stock or handguard. The stock that's on there is from a Mauser Model 1893 (most likely Spanish) and the handguard is from an Argentine Model 1891 (the grooves for the wire bands are a dead giveaway). The barrel has been shortened and the front sight re-mounted, and the metal finish looks like black enamel. Overall I'd guess this was probably thrown together by an importer back in the 1960s from parts they had lying around; it screams "INTERARMS" to me. They bought lots of surplus rifles from Spain in the '60s and sporterized them to sell as cheap hunting rifles.

A shame too, because the "/DZ" and "/18" indicates a depot salvage rifle build, meaning this receiver at least came from a rifle originally made at Spandau Arsenal in 1917 then damaged to such a degree that it was totally re-built in 1918. Then it probably went to the Spanish Fascists with the Condor Legion (or other military aid) and was left-behind after the war was won.

>>32101163
Those are Imperial inspector's proof markings.

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>>32101199
fucking figures.

Thanks a lot for the info. The rifle was my grandfather's, and its been frusterating my old man to no end that we couldn't find any info on it.

As to what you said about it being from Spandau, does this mean anything to you?

>>32101213
Yes; S/42k was the factory code for Waffenfabrik Mauser prior-to and during 1934; they made the new tangent-leaf rear sight for the Reichswehr/Wehrmacht Gew.98 update program.

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>>32101226
So, why would anyone "sporterize" a rifle like this?

It seem like the dumbest shit imaginable considering you're literally just removing features and destroying value.


And do you think it was sporiterized before or after it made it to the Spanish?
>pic related is what I assume to be a mismatched bolt serial

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>>32101236
>So, why would anyone "sporterize" a rifle like this?

To sell it to fudds. This is what Interarms usually did to these ex-Spanish Gew.98Ms:
>And do you think it was sporiterized before or after it made it to the Spanish?
Definitely after. Bolt serial looks like it came from another Gew.98. Does it have an eagle on the underside of the handle at the root?

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>>32101256
Eh, looks more like a lion to me.

Why do you ask?

>>32101236
muh hunting rifle
muh weight

>>32101283
>Why do you ask?
Curiosity. It is a Gew.98 bolt; made at Amberg arsenal in Bavaria.

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>>32101292
>>32101256
If someone does this to a rifle like this for a living, are they really a human?

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>>32101302
It was a different time, and I can understand their motivations. The people who STILL do this today are the ones that flabbergast me, especially considering that there are so many already bubba'ed Mausers out there that could be used instead of those still in military spec.

>>32101132
>>32101199
>>32101226
>>32101256
>>32101300
>>32101328
Yo man, I really appreciate the help with this. I'm currently compiling the info you gave me into a word doc for safe keeping.

Do you have a website or something I could include as a source? If not that's cool.

>>32101335
The source of most of my info is books like Robert Balls "Mauser Military Rifles of the World" and the Gunboards' Gew.98 research thread.

>>32101352
Thanks man, I'll include that in the doc.

How is Classic firearms?
I really want an M39 before theyre gone.

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>>32102029
Shitty, I would just use Gunbroker or Simpsons.

>>32101236
problem is back then they weren't worth anything. just like old baseball cards and classic cars. ppl just throw them away or sell them for cheap because theres no way that they would be worth anything. sometimes they're right (no one is buying vintage toasters), sometimes they're wrong (people are paying tens of thousands of dollars for restored muscle cars).

>>32102049
Ive had a huge problem setting up an account with GB.

Simpson it is then.

Whats the deal with Classic anyway?

>>32098785
Hey guys just to double tap for everyone's awareness....

I read the original us army investigation report on the low serial 03s. Tldr version is that they are still safe. The 24 receiver failures only occurred when the mistreated guns were fed double charged rounds from a shitty sub contractor. The over charged rounds did not blow up regular 03s and the mistreated ones ran normal ammo fine for 30-40 years of service.

>>32100068
Be nice. I didn't have a madsen bayonet when i took that. Got it now though, so next time it'll be right

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>>32096579
as promised

>>32100676
So don't load rounds to max pressure you simpleton. You can measure the amount of powder you put into a round. Don't you know anything? Kys.

Where is the best place to buy a 91/30?

>>32103138
Don't

>>32103138
Lgs or private sellers on gun boards.com

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I should take some more pictures, it's perfect weather outside.

>>32101088
Interarmco Sporter from the 60s
tldr they took G98 actions cut them down and put them in random Mauser stocks from Spain

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>>32103437

Now that Nagants are getting prohibitively expensive (for what they are), who's the new king of cheap 'surp rifles? Yugoslavian Mausers perhaps?

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What is the value of nonrefurbished mosin nagants?

I am told they are rarer than regular refurbs but cannot find anything to expound in that.

>>32103455
Mausers in general, the fucked up Spanish ones go for less tha 250 regularly.

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>>32103455
The AR15 is now the king of cheap rifles. The age of reliably-available cheap surplus is over.

>>32103476
>What is the value of nonrefurbished mosin nagants?

All depends on the model of rifle, who may have used it (unrefurbished Finn-marked Soviet rifles aren't worth as much unrefurbished Soviet-only rifles) and the overall condition. Generally, if in approximately the same condition as a refurbished rifle they are worth more.

>>32103551
Mine is not finn marked and has a aged patina.
It's a 1939 Izhevesk 1891/30.

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>>32103589
Did you put the Finn swivels in there? If not I'd assume it was Finn'ed. Also examine the font used to stamp the serial numbers; they were all marked with the same dies at the Soviet factory.

>>32100572
>great mother nation that spawned America?

France played a big part in us being able to be independent. Otherwise we'd probably be a commonwealth member or some shit, with their queen on our money.

>>32103620
The finn swivels came with it. I'll compare with my 1943 91/30

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>>32103624
Don't acknowledge that shit dick lame attempt of a troll.

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You can never have too much surp

>>32087474
beautiful gun, what is it?

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>>32103712
>I'll compare with my 1943 91/30
When I mean compare the serial number fonts I meant the serials on the specific rifle were all stamped at the same time with the same dies.

>>32088344
Aside from the lack of chrome lining, id say they're pretty good, i have a chinaman one and a russian one, but my friend has a yugo and it outshoots the chink sks, and about on par with the russian, albiet it will be more expensive to shoot because it shouldnt shoot yugo surplus ammo (very corrosive, but very cheap)

>>32103620
Wtf am I looking at here

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>>32103849
Estonian Model 1935 Mosin, see >>32103840

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>>32103838
Why that my good friend is the Mas 36, my favorite rifle. Best not to get me started, as I can wax fondly on it for hours.

>>32103840
Well then we run into an issue.
The rifle is built with m1891 parts, bolt is a component build and reserialized to the barrel and receiver, so is the buttplate and magazine floorplate.
My Guess is parts were salvaged from the winterwar to supplement 91/30 production.

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>>32103921
>mag floorplate and butt
Correction, they just are mismatched.

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>>32103939

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My spoopy gun

>>32103731
Spanish Mauser?

>>32103939
>>32103947
Post pics of the bolt serial. If it's on the ball of the handle it's definitely been Finn'ed.

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>>32104033
Greek Mannlicher.

Found a 1903 Remington make in pretty decent exterior condition, didn't check the bore last time. Price is $750 or so, is this a good deal?

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>>32104090
You're not getting fucked, but that's a pretty typical price.

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>>32104090
Is it a pre-A3 Remington? That seems like too much for an 03A3 to me; high but acceptable for a non-A3 Remington M1903.

How hard is it to mount a barrel on an 03a3? Paternal grandpa had a sporter that was stolen, but the thief left the original stock. Maternal grandpa used to do gunsmithing as a hobby, (by this I mean he cut down barrels and stocks on guns for his friends, and they usually turned out nice) and had a box in his basement literally full of 03a3 barrel ends, stock rings, iron sights, and whatever else came off the guns. Might even be a trigger assembly without a trigger in there, I'd have to go look. Anyway, any advice on finding new barrels, barreled actions, receivers or bolts? My first place to look was for an uncut sporter but that route is more money for a used up gun, and the idea of having a new barrel makes me excited.

>>32090302
A 10% Balistol / 90% water mix. The water modifies the Balistol pH to be particularly effective against corrosive ammo. Also safe on wood and metal finishes.

>>32096475
*Sploosh*

>>32090302

Pour boiling hot water down the bore and chamber at home if you can followed by light brushing a few patches and oiling. check bore within a few days to see if any small rust areas have formed and to re-oil.

So what are some good websites to get into milsurp?

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>>32104199
To buy or for info?

>>32090302
Boiling water, or failing that, water and then alcohol.

>>32104126
Yeah pre A3, same place is selling a refinished Remington 03A3 too, for $1300. Honestly they're pretty hit-or-miss when comes to prices.

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>>32104269
>Yeah pre A3
I'd do it.

>>32104241
To buy

>>32104294
Empire Arms, Simpson Ltd. Liberty Tree Collectors, The Mosin Crate, Gunbroker.

>>32086108
Nothing shit about that, buddy

I have a Yugo M24/47 and an MP Sport 15, is their a point in getting a Mosin Nagant?

>>32102830

1945, nice. Late 1945 and onward style bayonet lug. Do any of the numbers match? The stock may be original. Match, as in the same font as on the barrel shank serial number.

>>32104895
Depends why you want it. From a collection standpoint sure. For a beater, nah.

>>32103884
I read working the bolt on these are pretty nice but it looks kind of awkward the way its placed does it work like any other bolt action?

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>>32105026

Pretty much. The bolt is very easy to use, above average at least. It looks awkward, but it isn't.

>>32103848

That's a lot of fuddlore you're spewing.

Yugo SKS's have zero issues firing corrosive surplus, and there is not reason not to. All you have to do is clean the gun thoroughly when you're done. Yugo surplus 7.62x39 is .30 a round where as steel case Tula is .21 a round.

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>>32104895
>is their a point in getting a Mosin Nagant?
It's the same as having a Mauser variant; everybody needs at least one.

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Posting I'm bread

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>>32105330
>one

Don't listen to this counterrevolutionary.

>>32105026
It's actually very intuitive and leads to ideal hand placement after firing.

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>>32105330
Yeah, everyone should have at least one Nugget and one Yugo gun, Mauser or SKS

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You guys are really making it hard to say "I'm gonna stay home instead of going to a gunshow at 730 tomorrow morning.

>>32104932
The Hungarian is all matching.

The Russian has a non-matching bolt (odd because its actually the smoothest nagant bolt ever, ever smoother than my matching mosins)

Chinese one I will have to double check but I do not think the bolt matches.

>>32100000
>>32000000
Checked.

>>32104154
I want to know this as well.

>because I'm ready to make a motherfucking 1903-A3 if I needed to because I fucking want one that badly.

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>Goddammit GunBroker

Side note: I found a line for a National Ordinance 1903. What should I be aware of? The SN is in the 7 digits, but blurred so I can't tell the range.

My LGS has an M38 swedish mauser for 400 dollars in "very good" condition. Am I crazy or is this a really good price? I haven't seen them for less than 500-550 on gunbroker or anywhere else. I haven't been able to look at it in person, but my LGS is usually pretty honest about their ratings. Worth it?

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>>32106752
Tooooooooolaaaaaaaate

Now tell me how bad I fucked up

>>32104280
What gun is that?

>>32106968
Not terribly.

Anyone here live in Houston and go to Collectors Firearms? What do you think of it?

I usually just go to browse, for the most part the staff ignores me :(

>>32106940
Yes. Snag it. The Swedes are gems.

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>>32106968
You should have googled that company. It's a hunk of USGI parts on a sand cast receiver.
>>32107031
I haven't been there in like 5 years, but everything was overpriced.

>>32107058
I did. I also ran into many people saying that they're a mixed bag of good and bad.

I do plan on getting a spare receiver and fixing the major issue.

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I'm hunting for 5 things tomorrow

A Mas 49/56, a Kar 98az, a 1912 norwegian Krag, a Ross mk3, and a Russian 1895.

Any other suggestions for things I should look for?

>>32088459
then just call in. Fuck them, they might pay your paycheck but if they're not treating you right fuck them.

Unless you're like an EMT or something lmfao in which case you kinda have to.

>>32107015
Japanese Type 30, formerly owned by Ian of Forgotten Weapons.

>>32107949
Didn't Ian's dad write a book about gook guns?

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>>32108125
Yes, I believe so.

>>32096475
can a college poorfag like me ever hope to get one of those sexy rifles for around $600 max?

>>32108411
All day at 500ish on Gun broker, cheaper on Armslist when they pop up.

>>32108442
thanks anon

>>32089952
For something like that I don't see why not, for all anyone knows it's just a gun someone bought on vacation and forgot about and there's no chance of ever proving otherwise.

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y'all niggas be gettin better gats when I wuz away

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>>32108918
That's what happens when you think there are more worthwhile hobbies than collecting milsurp.

>>32109018
Like shooting milsurp?

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>>32109028
I don't understand the difference.

I want to pick up an Egyptian Hakim, what is the going rate for them?

$700 seems about right, based on Gun Broker.

>>32109045
If you have an unconverted Vetterli you probably understand.

Not sure if this is the wrong thread for this but...just bought a SKS and 4k rounds, going to go shooting tomorrow. I've cleaned it throughly, but I'm worried about a slam fire. How prevalent is that and what can I do to prevent it? I have 20 round mags, but probably just going to load 5 at a time until I feel comfortable.

>>32109145
Of you cleaned the firing pin channel it will be absolute zero chance.

>>32086108
Nothing shit about a Luger m8. I have a comfy 1938 numbers match (except mag) S/42. Only cons is it has been re-blued...not very well.

I might send it to someone to re-re-blue/restore it period correct but it's not a cheap service.

>>32087686
nice frankengun lol I've seen this on reddit

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>>32109065
I don't deal in black powder rifles for that reason. Also I'd have to collect even more than I already have to.

>>32109218
Cartridge collecting is a special kind of madness that is end stage firearms addiction, I think.

>>32104362
Thanks senpai. My initial plan is to find a Carcano carbine to start off. Always liked the look of those guns

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>>32109018

I go places no other human has ever been nearly once a week. I still own one hell of a collection of rare WWII bolt guns. It is just expanding much slower right now.

>haven't been to a gun show in about a year, FML. I might breakdown and buy a G.41 or some shit to make up for it if I'm not careful...

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>>32109251

Yeah, you know you've gotten it bad when you start going after period correct ammo. I have a bunch of Finnish and Soviet WWII ammo, and of course a ton of Nazi German 7.92 (but who doesn't have a bunch of that stuff, right?)

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>>32109251
I dunno, doesn't seem like the thing for me because then I can't use it. Just like I have almost no interest in bayonets.
>>32109315
You have any French 30-06?

>>32109354
>not practicing bayonet drills while in period correct uniform and equipment
It's like you don't even autism.

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>>32109409
I have to be autistic about metallurgical grain structure every day for work (among other minutia of manufacturing). I try not to inject too much of that into my hobbies.

>>32109432
I've always wondered, what steel were guns made of back in the day? I've heard t gewehrs were made of almost rebar like steel and arisakas had some crazy low carbon steel that was used in last ditch rifles that were good to go because of the action strength but have never been able to find specific studies on the things.

Also what is rockwell hardness even? How is it relevent?

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I went skavshit for my first two guns but I love my Slavic children

>>32109498
Usually something called ordnance steel. It varies by country and era. Current most common steel would be 4140/4150.
Read Hatcher's Notebook for more in depth.
You want barrels to be soft so they split rather than shatter.

>>32109498
Oh god, there isn't enough time in the day to go and explain it all.

As a general rule, Rockwell hardness (C scale is used the most for steel) correlates to tensile strength. Harder steel=stronger steel. However, it also means more brittle steel. So a balance is usually found. Obviously I'm leaving out all sorts of stuff like tempering, work hardening, allowing, and blah blah blah. But basically you shoot for between 30 and 50 HRC for things like gun parts
>>32109525
Correct. Ordinance steel is roughly comparable to SAE 1050 in most instances. Good medium carbon steel. Nowadays 4150,4140, 4130,4327, 4340, Etc are used, and 416 or 440 from the stainless side.

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>>32109498
And I just realized now you asked what Rockwell hardness is, not what it means.

It's essentially a formula. A industrial diamond (a charpy) is pressed into metal at 150kg for I think 3 seconds, and the depth/diameter of the hole made determines the hardness. I used to know the formula by heart, but since Rockwell machines are automatic now it's pretty pointless to know.

>>32109525
Thanks for the recc, is that the same Hatcher that found the shattering Springfield receiver problem?

>>32109619
So is hardness related to things like wear resistance or is that a separate matter related to the grain?

Would you say a modern alloy pistol would be as durable (notwithstanding things like engineering faults) as thier older steel counterpart?

>>32109664
Don't....diamonds shatter at that pressure?

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>>32109676
To a degree yes, hardness and wear resistance are connected. Of course the particular steel in question, and the exact geometry of it, along with heat treatment (to include case hardening) play into it as well.

To the second question, sort of. A modern pistol will, assuming it's been designed properly, be more rugged than one made 50 years ago. Most people aren't going to shoot enough to reach the limits of either though, so it's generally a moot point.

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>>32109682
Not at all. They can chip or fracture though and then you have to replace the charpy, but that's not a big deal nor a common occurrence. It's also a very small tip, pic related.

>>32109713
Generally would a slide be more or less hard than a frame? In an automatic design, how about the bolt and receiver?

>>32109739
Honestly I can't say, because those are areas of design that I'm ignorant in. Like, I can see wanting a bolt to be harder than the receiver so that you won't deform the bolt under hard use. But then you might deform the receiver.

I know a lot about manufacturing and production, and a small amount of design philosophy for things like engines and automotive shit, but by and large I only know how to make stuff, not design stuff.

>>32107031
This is like super fucking late but if there's a gunshow at reliant or George R Brown, they bump their prices down to something a little more sane so if you spot some old gun unpopular with fuds you can get it for a decent price if you don't want to shop online.

The shows in this area are usually so shit, especially for milsurp.

>>32109785
I guess the hardness of the frame doesn't matter after a point because they wouldn't figure making it out of aluminum or polymer would make sense and planned obsolescence isn't something that really figures into many firearms that aren't Saturday night specials.

I just realized this is out of the purview of this thread, guess I'll try and make another one.

Thanks for answering my stupid questions.

>>32109676
Yep. He goes fairly in depth into the investigation. Still incredibly condensed compared to the reams of paper actually produced during the investigation.

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>>32109354
>You have any French 30-06

I don't think so.

>>32109726
Adding: There are a few kinds, one 45 degrees and another 120.
The effect is like pushing a rock into plasticine, it gets pushed aside without damaging the tip.

How often do you guys shoot your milsurps? Dozens of rounds per year? Hundreds? Ever worry about condition?

Obviously does not apply to most nuggets.

>>32109896
I should clarify I mean the nicer examples. K98s, K31s, WWI era things, or uncommon rifles.

>>32109354
>french .30-06

i have some, but its labeled 7.62x63 on the headstamp.

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>>32109896
I try to shoot all my milsurp, nice or otherwise...

ammo cost is the biggest factor, but usually get at least 20rnds/year.

but my more common shooters will get several hundred.

Anytime my M41 Johnson leaves the safe i usually put at least 125 rounds through it.

my standard luger gets 50-100 rounds a week normally.

i clean my shit a lot, so the only real worry on condition is when shooting surp ammo, which i almost NEVER do anymore --- and even then the only nice gun I put surp in is my FN49.

>>32099552
Man that is one fucked up springfield senpai

>>32109995
Why did you choose to forgo surplus ammo? Availability, corrosion, or something completely different?

>want an arisaka
>know I won't be able to feed it
What is this feel

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>>32110413
>I used to know that feel

>>32110474
Tell me, how does it feel?

>>32110545
Like grorious Nippon lead folded one gorririon time

>>32110545
In all honesty there is nearly zero felt recoil and fairly good offhand balance despite the length and groups well. They also have a fairly unique sound that I enjoy

I have a byf 44 k 98k that has already been sporterized (manlicher stock and drilled and tapped ) I didnt do it I bough it for about $175 cuz spoopy nazi gun and the bore is pristine and I thought it was worth it... I know its a damn shame but Im thinking of getting one of those meme tier archangel stocks for it and putting on a half decent optic and shooting for 1MOA or lower

Thoughts? is it doable ? Im just attracted to cheap surplus 8mm

>>32110586
GAH, now I really fucking want one.

>>32110650
If you dwell on it it'll only get worse.

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>>32109833
No problem.
>>32109879
I have one or two belts somewhere around here, which I have no interest in keeping.
>>32109896
Few dozen to a fee hundred depending on the gun and how much I like shooting it.
>>32109998
It's definitely seen use. But it's a decent shooter and it's starting to grow on me.
>>32110385
Probably cost. Surplus ammo isn't cheap for a lot of calibers.

>>32110590
>Cheap surplus ammo
>1 MOA or better.
Not gonna happen. If you're going to dump money into it I'd turn it in a replica of a sniper instead so it at least looks cool, but that's me.

>>32103551
>The AR15 is now the king of cheap rifles. The age of reliably-available cheap surplus is over.
I WANT FUDD GUNS NOT UGLY TACTICOOL

>>32109179
Thats the boat im in, its a parts matching 1917 erfurt that does not fire properly, it needs smithed and refinished and I dont know whete to send it.

>>32109049
I saw some in a vegas shop for about 500.

>>32107673
M95m, or M95 infantry.
Paratrooper type 99.

>>32111358
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>>32111495
And with that bumblefuck of a post, we hit bump limit.

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>>32109354
>French 30-06?
>not superior REAL FROGGIN' NATO

>>32110385
Corrosion. Wear n tear, bi metal and steel rounds wear down rifling more than cooper/lead. And cost. When surp was .10/rnd it was worth it, but now an extra 5 cents a round gets you new production commercial ammo that's so clean you can brush your teeth with it.

>>32103551
Do Eesti Mosins have no handguard or am I just blind? Looks pretty neat.

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>>32112499
See >>32103840 and >>32103879
It had a handguard, this example has just lost it over time.

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Original matching, non-refurbished examples, especially without any non-Soviet markings, are worth substantially more than most other Mosins.

>>32088459
Black friday weekend is more important than other weekends if you work retail...

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