The Best Little Junk Pocket Gun

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The neat thing about this gun is that it also takes the S&W 5906 magazines. So you can easily find 15 or 30 rounders to fit this.

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Initially Kel-Tec targeted the LE market trying to lure officers away from backup revolvers and into a small gun that would take their duty magazines. The gun has changed little in the 21 years it has been on the market.

The mag interchangeability also meant you could use pre-ban magazines in the gun, since the Clinton crime bill didn't mandate guns not being able to accept mags of more than 10 rounds.

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The new price for these guns has always been in the $249 range, I’ve seen them for as little at $219 new. When you look at this gun next to another small and popular pocket gun, the G26, you can see the size is nearly identical but the Kel-Tec weighs a little less.

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Another shot next to the G26

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Now, this gun has a horrible trigger. The pull is long and it’s heavy at about 12lbs. The trigger also breaks hard - like hurts your finger hard after a few dozen rounds. The finish on this gun is certainly not fine. There are rough lines of polymer, left over from the molding process, that you will have to file or buff down.

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The trigger release has sharp corners and those too will have to be buffed dull. This is not a gun you’d buy as a range toy and do much shooting with it. It’s rather uncomfortable to shoot. But, hey, you’re buying a pocket defensive gun for like $250 - what did you expect. It only needs to go bang a few times in a defensive situation.

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In the past owners have complained about feeding issues that were solved by buffing and polishing the fed ramps. This seems to be less of an issues on the newer made guns. While it seems like I’ve given you all the reasons not to buy one, and if it’s going to be your only gun then you shouldn’t buy one, but there’s something about these guns that’s loveable. They are like an ugly puppy. They aren’t fun to look at but there’s just something you end up loving about them.

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Kel-Tec owners seems to be very loyal to the brand despite a history of vaporware guns being advertised and some quality issues. The P-11 is easy to find and the little upgrade parts are cheap and always available from Kel-Tec

>>32084280
I still think you're a fag but these new show and tell posts are quality. I'm still not going to your website or jewtube.

>>32084843
I'm trying to put out more value based content, instead of the low quality posts that have plagued this place the last few months. It seems there are few actual gun owners left on this board. There are too many /pol/ trolls.

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Nice blog post.

>>32085174
Thanks man, I thought you would like it. I should have mentioned that the newer P-11s have a 9lb trigger which, while still being heavy, is better than a 12lb trigger.

How do you get the bluish hue to your pictures like that? I like it. And these threads are alright mang

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>>32085223
The lighting in this room is horrible, so I use a small LED light for fill so I don't need to use the flash.

>>32085292
Neat

>>32084280
P-11 is OK. Get a trigger shoe. It will help with the trigger pull.

>>32085367
These little lights are great for effects, a cell phone can do the same. The white like is kind of dirty and has a lowish CRI so you get that blue hue. It can be a neat effect for photos or video.

>>32085403
I have one on there. It's heavy but not so bad that you strain to squeeze. At least the newer ones are a few lbs lighter.

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>>32085016
The problem is the format doesn't really encourage people to discuss anything. It's a brief out-of-context series of posts with no real subject, like a mini-review that you can find anywhere else. I think this would work better in a larger themed thread because these posts just sort of die out and don't get much attention.

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Fuck off shill my Jimenez costs less than a P-11 and isn't plastic either.

>>32085525
In an odd way, those things are now collectable. I'd love to find one at an auction. All I've been seeing is the Jennings.

>>32085499
And yet a few people here are discussion this little gun. It's first, and foremost, an image board. How many original images did I posts? Like 8?

>they’re known more for showing off guns that never seems to make it to your LGS

Is there a reason this is happening beyond Kel-Tec's production capabilities not meeting the demand for their guns?

Also, how's the PMR-30? I saw one for the first time recently and was very impressed by its concept.

>>32085708
Beware the magazines. You have to use a specific type of ammo for it to run properly. So read the manual.

>>32085708
>how's the PMR-30?
I have never touched one. It seems that Kel-Tec likes to show off new stuff as a way to sell the older P-11 and PF9.

Kel-Tec had an interesting statement on why they wouldn't borrow a few years ago to meet a temporary surge demand. They are committed to remaining a debt free business. I have to respect that.

>>32085765
What have you seen not feed. This one has been trouble free for me.

>>32085818
Normally the problems people have iwht the PMR not feeding is not using the recommended ammo.

>>32085957
I thought you were talking the P-11, yeah, the rimmed stuff can be funky.

>>32085589
You might have missed the point on that, we're mostly talking about the thread instead of what's in it. And your posts are like 66% of it. It was a suggestion instead of a challenge, threads live longer when they're organic.

>>32085708
They make unique designs and there is a sudden interest from the peak in marketing. It's a relatively small company that does not want to over-expand, buy more property, mass hire, and then be forced to downsize during slack years or at the end of demand spikes. The production is fine for their normal line-up but I wish they'd spend more time on QC and parts. I don't know how the inflation pricing affects their business.

The PMR-30 is the last pistol that went through that process and that was the president's explanation. It looks neat and it's a good concept (their hallmark) but the actual materials are sort of cheap. The biggest problem it has is being chambered in .22WMR. The Magnum pistol with high capacity was its gimmick but the ammo is expensive and frankly pointless in that pistol because the barrel is so short. It was stupid when they were going for $650 but ~$300 is probably where it belongs.

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Kel Tec employee here, ama

>>32086077
Are they making guns everyday or do they have limited runs?

>>32086077
Is Kel Tec ever going to revive the Tec-9? I honestly think there would be an amazing market for a improved modernized version that takes glock mags.

>>32086077
What's the company culture like?

>>32086096
We make different guns throughout the year. Right now we are working on CMR's and PMR's mainly along with the usual pistols, KSG, and Sub2k. Just got done running RFB rails so those are coming around as well. Don't know if you'll ever see many on the shelves within the year.
>>32086111
To my knowledge, no. We are on back order for just about everything for about 3 years. So completely different designs are not in the future.

>>32086139
It's like a big family. We all got raises when trump won and we just got our yearly turkeys. 2 weeks off for Christmas and we have company parties and pot lucks every now and then throughout the year.

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Also, pic related. My free gun.

>>32086077
Do you wish you didn't live in Florida? Was everybody deathly silent when the Zimzam's pistol went to auction?

>>32086193
Do you think that trump means the end of panic buying that we've seen the last four years? Store stocks seem to be growing.

>>32086193
Sounds like an awesome gig. I'm happy for you, anon.

>>32086208
what is the purpose of a gun like that.

I have a keltec P3AT

I kind of want to exchange for a PF9

Yes? No? Pros cons?

>>32086276
I just bought one of those. They are crazy stupid yet so much damn fun to shoot. My buddy has had one for years, loved it, tried to get him to sell it to me. He never would.

>>32086249
I wasn't working here during zimzam trials. He did come by for a factory tour though.
>>32086255
Panic buying is over for at least 4 years, but we will always be backed up on production unless we expand more Which will happen eventually

>>32086276
It folds in half for storage

>>32086278
Pros:
Higher capacity
Zimzamgun
Cons:
Bigger size

>>32086340
>It folds in half for storage
sign me the fuck up

>>32086525
>that'll be 3 years

>>32086525
A lot of gun stores have them as well as online. Goes for about $450

>>32085525
Hey that's mine

>>32086208
I want one of those so bad. My brother had one and fucking sold it for $150

>>32086340
Did you meet him? That's crazy he came by for a tour Kek

>>32086844
No, but I heard one of the guys got in big trouble for taking a picture of him here.

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i hear they have +1 to dindu slaying in skilled hands

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>>32086844
Second Kel Tec employee here. Yes, I know the other guy in the thread. Oddly enough we found out about each other in a Kel Tec thread shortly after he was hired. Zimzam was cool and very lowkey around the shop. I knew the guy in the picture and the guy that took it. The guy that took the picture got fired that day for selling it to TMZ. The other guy went to work for Northrop a couple months ago.

>>32086922
You all didn't get pictures with him?

>>32086948
Zimzams sold for like 180k didn't it?

>>32086957
>>32086960
>TMZ
that makes more sense

>>32086957
Holy shit lol

>>32086948
You can't flim flam the Zim Zam

>>32086077
You guys hiring?

>>32086979
>>32086981
Funniest part is that the dumbass told everyone he was going to do it. Which would be whatever except that we have a policy about no photography in the shop that you sign when you get hired. Which is why nobody else has pics of it.

>>32087006
No we are going into Christmas break. Try applying around Feb

>>32087006
Not until the new year. We go on Christmas break for 2 weeks and don't want to take people on that won't get payed for that time off. But I know for a fact that we will be hiring starting in January.

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>>32084280
Reminder

>>32084280
JohnnyISuckDick has been non-stop shilling for almost a week now

>>32087055
Not true. Sorry, just not true.

>>32087062
Shilling what. You should grab a dictionary and look up the meaning of shilling. It doesn't mean what you think it means.

Man I'm jelly that sounds like it's a sweet gig to work there.

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>>32087115
>grab a dictionary

oh my god it's happening again

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P11 was my first gun... I spent the extra money on the aluminum trigger and it still sucks ass to shoot... It sits in my glove box now just in case...
>sub2000
yall need to make the damn sights like 1/4" higher...
>pic unrelated, it's my problem solver...

>>32084843
Very much this.

>>32087276
I agree on the sub, it sucks to put your face into it. I'm going to be putting my red dot in it soon

>>32087276
>>32087514
http://www.tacticoolproducts.com/sub-2000bolttubecover/

Just a thought. Seen some of the people at work with these or similar products. I don't mind the metal bolt tube right now but I may pick one of these up in the future. I want to shoot one with it first to see if it matters.

>>32087589
You'll need one. Might make the sights even harder to get down into though

>>32085589
Johnny I need you to review a shotgun, the Hatfield SAS. Its a semi auto shotgun in 12 or 20 gauge sold exclusively at Wal-Mart for the low price of $220.

>>32086208
WHAT IS THIS

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>>32088008
Kel Tec sub 2000 in 9mmm that takes block mags

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>>32088985
I wish glock or ets would make bigger 40cal magazines... Also my chamber is super tight which is annoying to reload for...

>>32089244
Your chamber or the mag well? My mag well was pretty tight but I kept ejecting and inserting. Made them fall right out.

>>32087712
I got a Mavrick 88 that's like $200. The Walmarts here don't sell guns, just ammo and accessories.

>>32087712
Never heard of this gun. The Walmart in my town doesn't have it. I know you can order tons of shit from their gun catalog at the outdoor section counter tho. I'm gonna check that out

>>32090794
I have a Maverick 88. You should review it, I enjoy your reviews.

>>32085292
I think i have that same light under a different brands name. Nice.

>>32084280
The SCCY literally does everything you mention better.

>>32093226
...and it actually works when you need it to.

Owned 1 Lel-kek and have shot 4 or 5. NONE were reliable on the range. I'd never carry a Kel-tec.

In the past few months I've picked up nib a s2k 9mm glock gen2, and the newest gen pmr30.
These are my first 2 keltecs aside from a p3at.

They're neat guns. Have been reliable so far, and I've shot them a good amount, I can shoot at home, so almost daily and working on 1k plus round counts.

FOR THE PRICE, at $450 each. I am very satisfied.

>>32093226
It was also made 15 years after the P-11. SCCY is very generous to the shooting sports community via its event and league sponsorships.

>>32093204
Yeah, they're a chicom knockoffs. They're cheap and they work.

I've heard nothing but not so good things about SCCY. I guess that's untrue?

>>32085499
Like....reddit?

>>32093565
Reddit sucks, too much moderation.