Ammo selection in SHTF

Not gonna lie dude this whole thing sounds pretty autistic

>>32074566
So you're the 17 year old, king of the 15 year olds?

I think you need a contingency plan in case dad locks his safe.

>>32074566
Need bonded core for barrier penetration.

>>32074600
Kek

>>32074566
Monometal hollowpoint

http://www.targetsportsusa.com/black-hills-ammo-556mm-50-grain-tsx-ammunition-d556n1-p-53763.aspx

>>32074587
>>32074600
rather than your plan, which is..?

i have my AR and my lack of training, so when SHTF ill go and loot kool-aid from walmart

This is a debate over selecting gear to compliment a set of tactics, not buying whatever "black rifle magazine" said was in style this season.

why don't you go back to stroking it to G2's website and let us have a real conversation.

>>32074608
>>32074631

hey both good suggestions.

monometal hollow points, do you have any data about their barrier-defeat capability.

>master race
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/600091101

>>32074566
>What ammo type would be best
Whatever you can get

>>32074661
https://www.policeone.com/police-products/firearms/accessories/ammunition/articles/7251807-Why-Black-Hills-Barnes-TSX-is-the-first-purpose-built-police-patrol-rifle-load/

>Jeff experimented with several projectiles and the Barnes TSX offered great promise until it was turned against the barriers of the FBI eight-part testing protocol used to evaluate handgun projectiles. Frequently, the TSX projectiles would expand fully then have the exposed petals shear off when penetrating the barriers or when fired from longer barreled weapons at very close range. The resulting slug was almost like a .22 caliber wadcutter bullet which gave excessive penetration and reduced overall terminal effect.

>So, Jeff worked with Barnes to design a custom variation of the TSX, exclusive to Black Hills, which would hold together while penetrating the test barriers and still expand dramatically when it reached a human target. Knowing police agencies frequently have a mix of 5.56mm weapons, including M16A1 rifles on loan from the LESO program, he chose a 50-grain bullet which will work effectively in all weapons from 1/12 to 1/7-inch twist rates.

>Now available in a full-power 5.56mm load, the Black Hills Ammunition 50 grain Barnes TSX round is the first purpose-built police patrol rifle load. In testing, Jeff found the new bullet design was almost totally barrier blind, giving excellent expansion and deep penetration from almost any barrel length from 20 inches down to eight inches. The only downside to the tougher design is expansion drops off dramatically past 75 yards from an eight inch barrel out to 200 yards from a 16 inch barrel.

>>32074681
$2.50 per round.

Ok, granted it is out there. Lets say ammo that you can get in bulk, not that a PFC stole from the ammo shack.

>>32074653
... stay on my property because I'm stocked on everything I need, artesian well, and I have more training and bullets than you have brain cells.

That's what.

>>32074694
except I can get them all, and don't want to waste time with a less ideal round.

>>32074711
lol ok, I like guys like you.

I'll give you a courtesy tap when I step over your fat, scrubby corpse.

>>32074695
damn, I was getting excited until:

drops off dramatically past ... 200 yards from a 16 inch barrel.

I'm looking for a longer ideal engagement range.

That is an interesting article though, I'll look into that for another side project though. Thanks a lot.

http://www.luckygunner.com/223-rem-55-gr-fmj-boat-tail-pmc-1000-rounds

dont forget to zero your rifles you retarded sperg

>>32074765
You can either pick expansion/fragmentation at long range or barrier penetration ability.

Both is currently only a thing for M855A1 and that comes with its own issues regarding extremely high pressure and price.

>What ammo type would be best, considering making a hit through cover is likely more important that creating a more grievous injury.

Make up your mind.

>>32074748
I welcome you to try.

>Former US Infantryman kills 3 kids trespassing on property
>Even tho he cannibalized and fucked their corpses, Trump's Federal Castle Doctrine law allows for it

News at 11.

>>32074728
You can get them now. After SHTF, you take what you can get.

>>32074653
Jesus Christ. Learn to weaponize your autism and I think you'll rule the land in a SHTF scenario.

>>32074566
How old are you? I haven't played makempretend since I was a young child.

>>32074787
lol oh my god an infantryman?? how i have misjudged you. I have met and known infantryman to be among the most terrifying and tactically proficient

I couldn't keep myself typing. It was boring. Kind of like how boring it will be to send a bullet through your "operator" noggin.

Lets hope you learn to lie low and keep your mouth shut. If not, I'll gladly stick my barrel down your throat. (the barrel is my dick).

I'd say I'm going to take your woman for my concubine....but I've seen your mum.

>>32074805
yeah no shit.

>>32074828
have, am, and will

>>32074833
Your cockiness will be your demise. You think you know so much. You will die in a cloud of confusion.

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>>32074860
>Said the kid online seeking advice, and being called autistic and retarded

>>32074878
I get that you are trolling, but why don't you just stop it?

>>32074566
Please post a pic of your ammo or gun. Cuz right now you sound like an autisic 12 year old who got pumped by the new call of duty.

>>32074566
Short answer is whatever you can find.

XM193 is best bet. You'll get adequate penetration, its cheap and abundant to stock.

XM855 will do in a pinch, even if it doesn't reliably kill.

XM-855A1 will beat your gun to death with no logistical support to replace it. Assuming you can actually have a stock of it.

If you have more money than brains, stock up on some open tip defense rounds.

>>32074765
Then get a longer barrel.

>>32074889
I second this. Time stamped pic of gun and ammo.

>>32074889
Do it faggot

>>32074889
It'll never happen.

>>32074681
>http://www.gunbroker.com/item/600091101
lol
whats funny is we had cases and cases and cases of this shit in afghanistan last trip, and I would go run it through my M4 on full auto at the range just because I was bored...I cant believe that guy is asking that much money for it!

>>32074765

In what SHTF scenario do you anticipate consistently having firefights at 200yds and greater?

>>32074960
The one where he's in a ghille suit perched on a ridge at 700 meters kicking off blacks with his dads AR.

OP has gone silent since a request for a time stamped picture of his gun was made. What does this say about OP?

>>32075029
What we all knew.

>>32074896
>>32074903
>>32074881
>>32074887

haha because I can't resist a good troll.
too much fun to bicker.

but you are right, lets get back on point.

will do, resizing the picture for upload

>>32075047
Fake

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>>32074894
>>32074915
>>32074887
>>32074889

>>32075070
How come your dad lets you have 50 rounds

>>32075070
Lmaoooooooo. Jokes up guys. Abandon thread.

>>32074894
how bad is 855A1 on your weapon in actuality? it barely over the maxpressure. I havn't heard about problems are army have been fires scores and scores of them. I havnt heard of issues.

Longer barrels are heavy and awkward. not worth the trade for a few more yards.

>>32075070
So dad only keeps guns in the safe and you had access to ammo. Cool.

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>>32074960
Ambushing neighbors convoy who came back form raid to storage building outside town?

>>32074960

honestly I would never engage under 200yds unless the conditions were perfect.

I'm anticipating defensive maneuver and breaking contact.

I would ambush closer only if the situation war ideal, and necessary.

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>>32075080
>>32075091
>>32075038

sorry to disappoint

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>>32075173

lol forgot stamp on the first one.

but does that sting at all?

I'm not the guns guy for our group, but I am the tactics guy.

Anyway, can the serious fellas get back to ammo now?

of do you want to see my 214? (that's a joke)

>>32075173
>>32075173
Wait so you're possibly the most autistic adult in the history of being. Or a child who's father has lax gun storage procedures. I pray for the latter.

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>>32074765
>drops off dramatically past ... 200 yards from a 16 inch barrel.

>>32075233
I'm autistic because I care what ammo I stock up on?

And I want a conversation about something other than circlejerking the same 5 threads everyday?

call me autistic then. and fuck you scrubby know-nothing pieces of shits. I remember when you could have a decent discussion about tactics around here.

god I'm sick of what /k/ has become.

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>>32075173
>IOPL

>>32075260
penetration. of the improved TSX against barriers.

read the thread idiot

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Hey boys, just stopping by. Heard there was a large deposit of autism no one laid claim to yet. Figured by the looks of it I'll be rich!

>>32075287
i'm not familiar with that acronym

>>32075282
You are cancer. You are either trolling, or a try hard Faggot. You talk shit to that infantry guy, but your only training is walking around the woods with the kids you met in the reading correction trailer in school.

>>32075313
Im infantry too, so i'm just busting his balls and teasing him for being a troll.

And I am a try hard. Which is something I thought I would be a common thread here. But apparently name-calling and having the same stupid threads everyday is the only thing /k/ is good for anymore.

.22LR. It is the most space efficient, will become the defacto currency in WROL situation and it bounces around inside of people.

>>32075340
No, /k/ is good for a lot of things, calling out autists is one of them because they are in fact autists.

>>32075340
Every time I've posted a thread requesting help I've received it.

DD214 (and)or ribbon rack or GTFO autist. You're not shooting anyone you're living in a Mountain Dew COD fuels fantasy lol.
Perhaps there should be gun control.

>>32075375
>>32075374

I've posted enough stamps. You faggots are just bitching because you are the typical know-nothing faggots that infest this progressively diving shithole.

There are so few quality people on here I don't know why I bother.

I've been a contributor here for 6 years and passed on a lot of good info.

Lately its gotten so juvenile that we can't even have a decent thread.

Fuck you and fuck /k/

>>32075424
I'm not getting in a pissing match with you brohiem. I'm just calling you an autist. That doesn't mean you don't have guns. Stop getting all defensive and overreacting, it further solidifies the autist claims from banter to fact.

>>32075424
If you kept your cool and didn't sperg earlier, I have no doubt you'd be receiving the information you want.

You behaved in a way people just couldn't believe you aren't a juvenile. People have good reason to doubt you.

>>32074566
>considering making a hit through cover is likely more important that creating a more grievous injury
You have that backwards when it comes to 5.56. It sucks at penetration anyway, due to it's low bullet weight, and the fact that hits are bound to be down range where it doesn't have that 3000fps velocity anymore, so you actually should be coveting terminal ballistics when you consider 5.56 SHTF loads. And if you are looking for cheap, then the answer is M193. And real M193, not some knockoff that is simply a 55gr FMJ.

>>32074566
I would rather buy a shitload of XM193 and replacement parts than a small qty of ultra advanced ammo

>>32074681
>exposed hardened penetrator
no thanks

>>32075307
Keyboard keys.

>>32074566
Not OP, but I want to stock ammo as well. I see people mentioning M193, but that seems like poorfag ammo, and I've heard it's a bad choice for self defense.

Are there any better alternatives to XM193 and XM855 for richfags? I need good advice before buying 10,000 rounds.

>>32075655
>Not OP, but I want to stock ammo as well. I see people mentioning M193, but that seems like poorfag ammo, and I've heard it's a bad choice for self defense.
M193 works really well against flesh but if you are looking at the 100% best anti-personnel rounds you need the 64gr Speer Gold Dot LE ammunition. It costs nearly twice as much but will perform a lot better out of short barrels and within 200yd.

If your only concern is killing shit dead and you have unlimited budget and space just buy a 240 or similar 308 mg

>>32075491
>>32075754

no you shouldn't

defeating cover causing at least some injury. trying to maximize injury dont do anything when your speer gold dot fails to punch through a tiny sapling.

>>32074566
For 556

Stick with m193 unless you can afford a stockpile of 177gr match ammo, or can actually get more than 500rnds of 855a1. Remember that 855 is not 855a1

If you want a sugestion for a precision rifle to take down barriers get 30-06. Super common. And price wise cheaper due to fact heavy 308 non fmj bullets are expensive.

>>32075857
>>32075904
What about MK-262 Mod 1?

>>32075965
>MK-262
we literally just talked about that earlier this thread, thanks for the contrib though

>>32075965
Ya if u can get it.

If you got the cash just get black hills 77gr. Might be hard to get a bulk order, but thats what i would do.

I have 2 seperate optics on 2 geissele mounts. One for 55gr and one for 77gr match. They are return to zero mounts. The 55gr is for range fun, and the 77gr is for classes and shtf dreams.

There is the distinct smell of mall ninja all over this thread.

Xm193 and call it good.
Xm855 might be a tiny bit better for shooting through stuff.
Both are plentiful and cheap.

If neither of those has enough punch say forget it and get something chambered in 7.62x39 , and get hornady ammo loaded with SST projectiles. Good expansion, and way more barrier penetration than most any 5.56. And still under ¢70 / round most anywhere you buy it.

>>32074566
855 has a little better at penetration. However, production quality of lake city has been shit for a while now. I've gotten some batches that averaged 5-7inch groups. The european stuff doesn't seem to suffer as much.

193 should be adequate. In a shtf, you probably shouldn't be engaging people at more than 200 yards. You're just pissing away ammo.

You can get the nicer hollabacks. But decent rounds are more expensive and you'll come right back to using 193 and 855. My tavor shoots sub moa with 77gr but at 75-1.50 a round, its impractical to stock up on.

>>32076761
All my lake city is several years, hope it's good. Any thoughts or experience with PMC Xtac?

Different guy btw.

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>>32074566
>Will I ever be able to get my hands on M855A1 master race??

We can only hope.

>>32075424
So no DD214 or rack with CAR or at least campaign awards? Sounds about right.

>>32075454
Not OP but lol at all the butt hurt autists who got angry at his question they couldn't answer and all the noguns who chimed in because they thought it would make them look like knowledgeable has guns.

The only autists here are everyone who responded to OP in a negative manner for no reason with their projections

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>spend countless hours researching
>spend thousands of dollars buying gear and thousands of rounds of ammo
>get ambushed and shot by some niggers with hi-points and get all supplies stolen and die


so ends the tale of 90% of preppers

>>32076789
I about 100 rounds out of every LC batch I get and have had no issues. Assume this is /k/ try hard autism until you see facts.

>>32076897
OP spotted.

>>32076897
Read the thread. OP acted like a moron and then admitted he was trolling. If you want serious replies, don't troll your own thread.

>>32076917
lol nope

I only buy XM193 because it's the cheapest at the store (I only buy ammo in person with cash)

Am I missing out on anything if I'm not using M855? In a SHTF scenario I'd doubt I'd be taking shots beyond 100 yards or through barriers.

>>32076927
so now move past it and keep on topic

>>32076954
I have been.. you brought it up.

>>32076917
Not OP idiot... let me guess...you're gonna also ask me to take a pic with a stamp? Lol autists who got angry at OP for no reason other than being actual autists detected.

>>32076967
Not him

Stock up on whatever is cheapest at the time- XM193 or XM855. You're never going to get any M855A1 unless you take it off a dead soldier or steal it from an armory. Fuckin Liberty won't sell their version to civilians unless you're some well-known gunblogger guy with connections who wants to test it for a video.

>>32074587
This desu. Have fun spending all your money on tons of shit that will never have use outside of your oper8r fantasyland scenarios.

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>>32074600

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This is a terrible thread and you all should feel terrible

>>32076969
See, the more times you say autist, the more you look like one. You might want to cool down and grab a juice box bud.

>>32077805
is it fun to ruin this website?

>>32079214
I wouldn't know, ask OP. He's got experience.

>>32079214
Oh yeah. Hit em boy.

Seriously he's a newfag. They are shameless.

>>32079260
No he doesn't newfag jr.

>>32079277
Yeah he does, also try not to say newfag too much bud, makes you being new even more obvious.

>>32079285
Try not too be offended new friend.

>>32079303
Sure man, didn't mean to offend your boyfriend. Have a good one.

>>32075542
Our God-king posting outside of /arg/

I LOVE YOU GIDDY

>>32079321
??

Jesus Christ. That's lame. Come on man.

It's like I'm trying to communicate with a chimp. Up your game playboy. You can't even banter.

>>32079347
Oh, I just assumed you were having autistic fits. I mean if 'that' was banter then I'd say you're Canadian, well, even their banter is better than what you just leaked out so my advice is to hold off on the glue huffing.

>>32079368
D

That was an attempt.

>>32079381
Uh huh, I mean surely if you knew what banter was you'd have at least given an example by now.

>>32079389
Example: not you

>>32079399
Uh huh, very interesting

>>32074566
Don't you fucks understand?! You WANT obscure ammo!! That way you'll be the only person looting it!

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>>32074894
>If you have more money than brains, stock up on some open tip defense rounds.

I have my rig sitting in the corner with 12 mags of open tip match for go time. I don't think that's dumb.

>>32075347
/thread

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>>32079419
>Don't you fucks understand?! You WANT obscure ammo!! That way you'll be the only person looting it!


Say I come across someone's stash of 150rds of 44mag. i don't have a gun for it. neither is there a gun for it in the house (that I can can find). Do you think I'm just leaving the ammo? No, depending on my load atm and the likelihood of me finding a gun for it soon, I either take all the ammo and squirrel it away somewhere or I may even go so far as to outright destroy it or at least take the powder with me in a ziploc bag. Leaving ammo would only invite the chance that it may be used against me later by somebody. In SHTF, I basically use scorched earth tactics.

>>32074566
Does the MK-262 contain lead? I'd rather not use it for hunting if it does, since it basically explodes upon contact.

Also, if it doesn't contain lead, would that make an optimal round for deer hunting and self defense as far as 5.56 goes? I'm trying to decide whether the fragmentation of the MK-262 or the expansion of something like the Hornady 75gr TAP offers better wounding potential.

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>>32079519
>offers better wounding potential
maximum velocity offers the best wounding potential.

>>32079457
WAIT WHAT AM I LOOKING AT?

>>32079526
They are optimized for different wounding vectors though. Once relies on fragmentation while the other maximizes expansion.

Also, the MK-262 greatly lowers the velocity threshold necessary for fragmentation. From a pure velocity standpoint, they are therefore not comparable.

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>>32079531
fake AK proximity fuse rounds from the [s]movie[/s] 3rd world immigration and multiculturalism pushing propaganda film Elysium

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>>32079542
oh thank you atleast

>>32079540
>while the other maximizes expansion.
>rifle rds
>expansion

rifle hollow points don't work like pistol hollow points. They don't open up like a flower.

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>>32074653

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>>32075173
>fixed front sight with 1-4 scope
>magpul autism grip
>3 ak variants in various stages of uselessness

>>32079548
Go watch some Youtube videos then. Their fragmentation patterns are completely different.

Since this abortion of a thread is kind of about hard to get ammo, I'd just like to check in and remind everyone that I still have half a case of golden tiger 7.62x39 waiting if some shit ever pops off.

The only ammo I've ever bothered to chrono and it shot 100fps faster than whitebox and 150-200 faster than tulammo out of my AMD-65. With less flash. Fucking way less, which is amazing considering the AMD-65's brake.

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>>32079542
>he bought into the /pol/ meme

The movie is a fairly blatant rendition of exactly why 3rd worlders immigrating to the west and multiculturalism is an atrocious thing to support. Try forming your own opinion on art rather than parroting what others want you to believe.

>>32079519
The stupidity and ignorance of this entire post literally hurt my brain.

>>32079595
viewpoints differ mate. As I see it, the white people have been shown to be the monsters again, the one nigger on Elysium was not a monster, the earthlings are all great and noble and only violent because they are opressed....

/pol/ is always right btw. It's funny but /pol/, a part of a chinese cartoon website, is a site with more integrity than CNN et al.

>>32079573
>fixed front sight with 1-4 scope
literally nothing wrong with this

>>32079616
Nice argument filthy nigger.

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>>32074566
>some approaching SHTF scenario.

>ITT: CoD kiddie pretending to be infantry getting trolled by grunt while the rest of /k/ cheney chuckles at their combined autism and infantry kissing contest

>>32074566
Can someone who isn't retarded pls answer this >>32079519 question?

I'm trying to find the best lead-free ammo for hunting and self-defense.

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>>32079519
>Does the MK-262 contain lead?
Yes.

Lead free projectiles are TSX, GMX etc. Could be found searching for "monolithic copper alloy bullets"

>>32079548
>rifle hollow points don't work like pistol hollow points. They don't open up like a flower.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZu5pMD9Eds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol8tgGtoXus

G E I S S E L E A U T O M A T I C S

>>32075092
From our armory guy it increases wear something like 8-10 times faster. We didn't have problems with it but we had new m4s in good condition. So a new quality build would be fine for hundreds to thousands of rounds but likely would not make it to tens of thousands without breaking something

>>32075092
it kills the AR's "feedramp". they are thinking about nigger rigging something up with the magazine providing a disposeable protective feed ramp or some shit.

>>32079560
That's not how that works. OP was BTFO his own thread.

>>32080866
Fuck didn't notice anything on our stuff but we barely fired a full mag all deployment

>>32079330
Kys

>>32075047
>Being this much of a fucking retard
>Spasticly spewing autism all over /k
>Muh SHTF
>Muh DoomsDayPrepper
>Rate muh Plan

I hate people like you.