So what so special about this ammo?

absolutely nothing.

they're black talons that aren't black.

>>32065007
Nothing, it's just +P+. You can order it online for less.

>>32065007
It has "Law Enforcement" on the box.

you can order law enforcement only ammo from the internet. its a jew marketing trick

>>32065007
it's a good way to jew a cop for $0.55 a round

>>32065007
Nothing other than the steep price break. It a great performer for about half the cost of other duty ammo. It's what's in my duty gun.

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>>32065050
tfw 50 round boxes of Hornady Critical Duty was $29.99 compared to the Hornady Critical Defense box of 25 for $29.99.

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>>32065007
>go inna gun store
>see some Winchester Ranger ammo
>decide to pick up a box for shits
>go to the counter
>"Hello sir, can you please show me your law enforcement or security ID?"
>begin visibly sweating
>the tac bacon can I kept in my cargo pants for tier 1 snacking begins to leak putrid oil after being punctured by my camo griptilian
>the cashier smells my fear
>"not personnel, kid"
>he teleports behind me and puts me in a chokehold as I weep and gurgle

>>32065042
>>32065050
>>32065017
The winchester ranger rounds perform really well on:
http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/
Good expansion and near perfect penetration depth. Don't see why it would be restricted though. The Hornady Critical ammo is 90% as good.

>>32065007
It's marketing.

People want to by what professionals use under the guise it's far superior than anything they can buy.

Ie the acog. I carried this in the desert, I don't like it, especially for cqc. I carried an Aimpoint during my first deployment to Iraq, it is high priced but any red dot site does the same job at 1x. I have a 500 dollar burris that zooms out and easier for target acquisition. It's all just hype.

The military also only buys lowest bidder which means the shit we use was just the best proce for their parameters, not the best performing.

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I got boxes and boxes of it.

>>32065007
It's priced reasonably. They must be afraid of retaliation from cops for ripping them off like they do the rest of the population.

>>32065007
>>32065017
>>32065061
>>32065135
>>32065216

Winchester has recently started cancelling distribution agreements and sales contracts with vendors and sellers that leak Ranger Law Enforcement ammo onto the civilian market.

This is because assmad sheriffs and police chief call Winchester and bitch and moan about how their agency size multithousand round contract order is taking so long while there's ammo available for sale on the civilian market.

This is why I buy HST.

>>32065327
>This is because assmad sheriffs and police chief call Wincheste
lol what a bunch of babbies

>>32065098
underrated

someone should make better ammo and refuse to sell it to law enforcement or the government, that would be fun.

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>>32065327
>Cops get assblasted that they don't get their special snowflake ammo fast enough.

Why am I not surprised?

>>32065007
LEOs buy their ammo at gunshops?

>>32065800
Not usually, but, have the LEO creds means you can buy it and use it for personal use. There are large stores, like Atlantic tactical, that cater to LE agencies.

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Why are double stack .380 glocks only for LE

>>32065851

Because they're made outside the US, and under the 1968 Gun Control Act they don't have enough sporting "points" for civilian sale import.

>>32065851
Does not meet ATF points for importability

>>32065327
>civilian market

Police are civilians.

>>32065924
They're also agents of the govt.

>>32065940

Yes, and?

Anyone who is not an active or reserve member of the armed forces is a civilian.

>metropolitan police
Civilian
>sheriff's deputy
Civilian
>federal alphabet agency SWAT teams
Civilians
>the guy who takes my order at wendy's
Civilian

>>32065995
Are the police not an armed force?

>>32066015
>Are the police not an armed force?

That's not the point of differentiation. The point is being a member of the military. Which civilian LEO's are not.

I carry a gun daily. So does pretty much everyone else at the company I work for. A significant chunk probably have an AR or AK at home. Are we not civilians?

>>32066050
You work for a company. You are not agents of the state.

>>32065007
Because the gun counter guy can "make ya a deal" and sell it to you even though it's a super powerful police only round, and for only double the price!

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Complete and utter bullshit - you can buy that shit online. The only positive to this policy is it keeps retards from turning their Kel-Tecs into grenades.

>>32065135
Exactly the reason why glocks suck.

Just because cops drive crown vics doesn't mean it's the best car. It's because it's cheap and usually works.

>>32066062
>You are not agents of the state

So?

If you're trying to argue that being a public employee with a gun magically makes you separate from the general public in regards to the applicability of the term 'civilian', you're just plain wrong.

>member of the military
Not a civilian.
>literally anyone else
Civilian.

That's just the way it is.

>>32066050

You don't understand, the "cops are civilians" meme is oversimplified. Cops are commissioned by the government to enforce laws and keep the peace. Just like CIA SAD are "civilians" but they're obviously granted special equipment not available to the public to carry out their duties.

>>32066062
Does this mean the people who work at the DMV are not civilians? What about clerical staff at the state capital building? Tax auditors? Building inspectors?

Just because one works for the government does no longer make them a civilian.

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>>32065098

>>32066133
I get that you are probably like an armored car driver making like $13/hr and you didn't get there by being a good student or quick study. So there are some concepts, legal concepts, that are elusive to you. It's not about a public employee with a gun. It's about an agent of the state with statutorily conferred powers to act on behalf of the state en enforce the laws of the state.

I get that you're just not getting this and you're going to really try hard to justify your point, like a C- high school student would do. But, it's not working and it's not going to work.

>>32066158
>>32066133

Not him but as I said here >>32066150

That's the easiest way to simplify the reasoning. The definition may be wrong in its exact meaning, but you understand what I mean if I say "cops have X that civilians don't"

Cops are civilians, yes, by definition that is correct, but we're arguing semantics. I'm not going to replace "civilians can't have stuff that coos have" with "commissioned peace officers of the state have access to equipment normal, non-commissioned folks don't" that's silly and unwieldy to say. You UNDERSTAND what we mean, but you CHOOSE to argue semantics because you hate cops. That's fine, but you sound like a child.

>>32065924
>>32065995
>>32066050
>>32066133

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/civilian

Fine, Captain "I strictly follow Federal law when it comes to the English Language" Autism, "non-government sales" market. Happy?

>>32066209
I don't know about the other anon but I am arguing semantics since I am bored.

Personally I don't care one way or another about 98% of cops unless they are behind me.while I am driving.

>>32066239
Nice, that should shut up the armored car driver.

>>32066239

>A person not in the armed services or the police force

Heh, first time seeing this. This is funny.

>>32066263
I bet you haven't done much looking in books.

>>32066342

Fbziwo! F h akdh? 4 u sjdbr $$ ďŕ@ëß

>>32066239
>Happy?
In general I actually am. Thanks for asking.

not much, it's just another defensive round

i use hornady critical duty

>>32065172
>147 grain

>>32066489
Yep