what the fuck happened to BAYONETS?

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please make this a reality. how do i do this?

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can i do this in real life?

Don't need the length anymore. A six inch blade on a 20 inch barrel is already going to be hard to maneuver in a house where you may actually need it. Actually even without the blade a full length rifle is cumbersome, hence shorter carbines

>>32064823
what made them need the length back then? they fought in urban environments all the time

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this is now a bayonet general thread. post sexy bayonets

>>32064875
bolt action, limited magazine, makes it easier to try to rush and melee than reload.

>>32064980
that could still apply to automatics though. i just dont see the point of making them THAT short. atleast a 10 inch blade or something

Some quick history...

In the early days of repeating bolt-actions the idea was to make a bayonet as long as feasible for extra "reach" in a bayonet charge. Thats why you see some stupid-long French bayonets.

Around the turn of the 20th century, most militaries standardized on 15-18" bayonets as a tradeoff between reach and utility/mobility.

First World War provided a lot of data about the effectiveness of bayonets and wounding. To paraphrase a famous saying: anything more than 5 inches is a waste.

Most armies reduce their bayonets to 8-12 inches. The British go with the crazy idea of a short spike bayonet on the logic its plenty fine to take an enemy soldier out of action.

After the Second World War 5 inches became the prevalent length.

Most bayonets double as combat knives nowadays.

>>32064622
Because the military is run by politicians now and bayonets aren't FUTURE enough, never mind practicality.

>>32064875
Cavalry.

Why would you want a long bayonet? It just fucks up your gun balance, makes the gun heavier and restricts your movement. You won't live long enough to use a long bayonet.

>>32065160
they didnt really have much cavalry in ww1

>>32065185
Yeah they did. Cavalry was huge in the early stages of the war and remained big on the Eastern front until the end of the war. The British were still using cavalry the entire time. Cavalry wasn't very effective, but then against neither was infantry. Only artillery was effective.

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>>32064875
>what made them need the length back then?
Cavalry. The long bayonet is for reaching a man on a horse, hopefully before he can split your skull with his saber.

This is why infantry rifles were still pretty long right up into the 20th Century, when people realized that even disorganized infantry with repeating rifles and/or machine guns made mincemeat out of even heavy cavalry.

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>>32065185
>they didnt really have much cavalry after the first month of ww1
FTFY

>>32065212
>>32065229
b-but muh cool sword bayonet

>>32065185
That doesn't mean they weren't training and fighting like there was.

Everyone in authority in ww1 grew out of a strategic school to which cavalry was crucial. every war is fought like the previous war should have been.

>>32065246
But they did. Germans abandoned cavalry early on in the Western front but kept using it on the Eastern front. So did the Ottomans, the Brits, even the French. Pretty much only the Germans and Americans abandoned cavalry completely.

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>>32065254
I'm not sure what you're implying. A long stabby is still cool even if it's outmoded.

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>>32064622
Because it is impractical for soldiers to be carrying short swords, unless you could pull an SKS on an M16. It is now just utility knives that can double as bayonets, rather than a dedicated bayonet.

>MFW I want to conceal a short sword in an M16 now

>>32065185
Yes, and that's about the time you see them shortening bayonets...

What a weird coincidence.

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PURE SEX

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>>32065758
Yes. Turn the first five Krauts into mincemeat and the fillet next five.

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>>32065839
my weapon of choice in ww1

>>32065839
More like get your pig sticker stuck in the first kraut then die trying to take it out

>>32065938
More like die by intense machine gun fire while tangled up in miles of mud and barbed wire

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>>32064978
Oh boy, I get to post it.
I really need to get around to de-rusting it

>>32064875
Up to WW1 they would give added defense ability against cavalry mimicking pikemen. They tended to get stuck in bodies or break very easily.

>>32065969
More like die suddenly in a massive explosion while in your dugout on the 3rd trench line when a kraut artillery shell lands inside your door

>>32064714

Yes. Take the crossguard and pommel of a M9 bayonet, fit to bayonet of choice. Some welding, cutting, blood, and screaming may be involved for those lacking mechanical aptitude

>>32065184

Manlet detected. Swords are cool. Sword guns are even better.

>>32066025
yup, MG effectiveness overstated in public knowledge. Quick firing HE changed warfare much more.