China's new super long range anti-air ballistic missile

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>>32059384
This guy is over 5 meters long.

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>>32059391

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>>32059398
>"atmospheric reentry vehicle to hit airborne moving targets"

heh

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>>32059408
Basically an ASAT missile that not only goes up into near-space, but also goes down again to hit AWACS.

It conveniently flies above the radar altitude of most airborne sensors.

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>>32059414
Note the black silhouette skipping above the F-22s and E-3s radar scan altitudes.

>>32059391
Won't the USAF just extend the range of the fighter screen?

>>32059421
It's revelation was preceeded with a cryptic but nice poem written by a leaker in classical Chinese:

长剑气如虹,赳赳万古雄。
今朝初饮血,敌首落长空。
鸡塞人声沸,将军笑意浓。
神兵今已利,试问谁争锋?

Basically, a long sword has tasted blood and gallantly cut off the head of the enemy, which fell from the skies.

>>32059465
Yeah, but the further away the fighter screen is, the less they benefit from AWACS support.

>>32059384
This is actually pretty neat and sort of a big deal imo, at least if the missiles range is far enough.

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Same concept as the KS-172?

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shit is more than 5 meters long.

>>32059534
Similar in that it's specifically designed to attack AWACS and has a very large range.
But I don't know if the KS-172 also attacks from above in order to avoid detection.

>>32059490

Who needs AWACS support when you have 40 invisible F-35s talking to each other?

>>32059490
Good thing that if you have that kind of threat you can use F-35s to go deep and wipe them out first.

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>>32059621
PL-15, which is already a fucking long range AAM (but desigend to replace the PL-12, eg. AIM-120D), compared to this new monster AAM.

Both cases, wheels are taken as measurement.

>>32059621
Just like mah dick.

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But will it fit inside the mainbays of the J-20?

How is it guided? How will they be able to launch, track and hit an AWACS from that far away? Don't say satellite lol.

>>32059776
active radar and mid-course datalink + two-way satellite uplink

>>32059794
also, dual mode passive radar for anti AWACS work.

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>yfw China's buildup causes Japan to pull that stick out of their ass and go GLORIOUS NIPPON DAMASHI and build like 50 carriers
It won't happen but man it would be cool

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>>32059890
>Japan's new carriers have very small islands and have faux-wood decks
>mfw they name the first one Akagi

>>32059757
No, it won't.

J-20 goes ahead of the J-16 big fucking missile carrier to clear away the F-35's.

>>32059384
I'd hazard a guess it'll be used against tankers as well. It doesn't matter how dominant the F22 and F35 are, if they don't have any gas.

>>32060204
Whoever destroys the other side's stealth aircraft first would win air superiority it seems.

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>>32060130
>J-20 goes ahead of the J-16 big fucking missile carrier to clear away the F-35's

>>32060130
easier said than done

>>32059469
Impressive China
No one can surpass them now
Fucking Japs die now

>>32059421
I'm curious as to how it achieves that kind of re-entry / attack angle; I don't see it being able to do that with aerobraking or flight.

>>32059651
Because they aren't invisible.

Also the F-35 radar is quite limited because of the small airframe of a fighter.

>>32060272
War in a nutshell. That's the reason you go for a wide range of options.

But the fact that China has such weapons will lead to a more defensive approach from the other side.

>>32060849
>Larger radar than the PAK-FA's
>Limited

>>32060902
>didn't mention the PAK-FA

Okay

>>32060902
Limited compared to a fucking AWACS, you retard.

>>32060849
>>32060945
>Implying it needs its active radar to hunt your "stealth" fighters

Both radars also have the same amount of T/R modules

>>32060966
It needs.

It doesn't have a dedicated IRST system to detect fighters

>>32060966
>your

Fuck off, asswipe. This is a board for discussing weapons, not nationalistic circlejerking. You've got both /int/ and /pol/ for that purpose.

>>32060968
The PAK-FA's and F-35's? The latter has about 15-20% more T/R modules.

>>32060977
>What is EOTS
>What is DAS

>>32061021
>The PAK-FA's and F-35's? The latter has about 15-20% more T/R modules.

Both are around 1600 T/R modules.

>What is EOTS
>What is DAS

Both are different systems.

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DAS uses small, not movable sensors.

It will provide the F-35 with 360° coverage awareness but it's not effective to search and track stealth targets.

>ballistic missile to kill air targets
>target changes direction
>it misses

This is retarded, unless the target completly fails to detect the launch and doesn't change it's flight heading.

>>32061155
>ballistic missile

>>32061093

The J-20 is an avionics monster

>>32059384
>air launched
>standoff range
>anti aircraft
>ballistic missile
At this point I'm pretty sure the engineers are just pulling words out of a hat.

>>32061188
lol

>>32061262
The J-20 has a pretty large nose. Enough place for some semiconductor porn

>>32061067
The PAK-FA's forward array only has about 1420 modules, the APG-81 has around 1630.

>Both are different systems.
Both are designed for A2A & A2G.

>>32061093
That's what the EOTS is for

>>32060977
>Both a long range telescopic and 360x360 coverage system with computers that autotrack all objects in the air or on the ground
>Most advanced passive RF detection suite in the air

>Implying the J-20 has either the stealth or sensor quality to compete

>>32059391
>China puts Patriot missiles on the Su-27
Fighter vs SAM argument solved.

>>32061358
Lockheed or someone wanted to put Patriots on the F-15C but the US gov didn't see the need, I think.

>>32059799
If it's above the radar ceiling, then passive radar will not work.

>>32063322
during the last phase of descent, it probably should.

On the other hand, the "golden" or yellow piece above the missile that slightly sticks out might be an ImIR seeker as well. Best visible here:
>>32059391

>>32059414
>>32059421

How does it lock onto the AWACS if it (supposedly) flies above it's radar altitude? If it locks actively, it'll be detected/jammed/evaded/etc. Also, with both of those things said, lobbing it to an area where an AWACS supposedly is sounds really stupid when the AWACS, you know, moves, or something unheard of like that.

How many of these are there even? Is it just another meme? I've even heard, for all the playing-up it receives, the Chink ASBM's are practically dead at this point.

>>32063520
It might have a secondary ImIR seeker as well. At least the yellow piece sticking out above the tip of the missile could suggest that.

It said that this missile was just tested against a live target a few days ago, so I think it is still under development.

And as for ASBM, I dont think it is a meme. After all the US also is now adopting an ASBM - by converting the ATACMS.

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Looks like it was already developed since at least 2011.

Could be further down the road than imagined.

>>32063581
Not even close. Those are wildly different size missiles. Mr. 50cent.

>>32063554
>It might have a secondary ImIR seeker as well.

"Might" huh...

Still doesn't address the AWACS more than likely being able to detect most aircraft further away than when they can launch said missile, which the AWACS will probably also track in it's boost phase. This isn't even considering the escorts to the AWACS. Though, at least the missile wouldn't have to worry about many countermeasures since, as far as I'm aware, relatively advanced IR seekers aren't easily fooled, so that could be a bonus for it.

As for the ASBM, I'm talking about the DF-21 and 26. Last I heard, the Chinese weren't even bothering with them in the anti-ship role anymore for whatever reason. I hadn't heard about the ATACMS thing other than LM is developing a replacement of which the name escapes me atm.

>>32063581

Those missiles aren't the same size.

>>32059469
>Cut off the head

this might really indicate that the missile's main role is decapitation of command and control assets.

>>32063808
>I hadn't heard about the ATACMS thing other than LM is developing a replacement of which the name escapes me atm.

I think LRPF is what I'm talking about.

Seems pretty neat desu. Smaller (2 missiles per HIMARS), longer range (500km easy, according to LM. They even say they could easily get more range out of ATACMS, they just didn't pursue it due to treaties or something.), and faster (Greater than Mach 5 IIRC).

>>32063852

Also, I think it's Raytheon, not LM, who's running the program.

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>>32063808
According to the latest rumors, the ASBM is even getting airborne now.

>>32063808
>Still doesn't address the AWACS more than likely being able to detect most aircraft further away than when they can launch said missile, which the AWACS will probably also track in it's boost phase. This isn't even considering the escorts to the AWACS. Though, at least the missile wouldn't have to worry about many countermeasures since, as far as I'm aware, relatively advanced IR seekers aren't easily fooled, so that could be a bonus for it.

for someone who offhandedly dismissed a fairly reasonable conjecture for an unknown missile from a rather polite poster, you sure as fuck don't know shit about radar basics.

Why don't you shut the fuck up and actually go read a fucking book, starting with radar RMS energy return and far infrared dissipation in the upper/outer atmosphere?

Fucking k/unts are dumb as shit, as usual.

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>>32063890

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>>32063808
While AESA (or PESA, in terms of the E-3) have low sidelobes, a sufficiently sensitive passive seeker could still home in on its emissions, even if it does fly above the radar's search-cone.

Even weak signals then would be enough to get the missile into the general direction of the target so that it could activate its active radar and/or ImIR seeker.

>>32063890

I can't tell if that's a good idea, or a pointless one. Either way, interesting. Kinda reminds me of the Skybolt.

I'll be interested to see what comes out of the US with the sequester hopefully disappearing. Hopefully it's nothing stupid like that one proposal for Pershing II ASBM's and whatever memes come out of the so-called """defense""" blogs.

>>32063898

>Le ebin "I know more than you but won't prove it because you're all dumbfucks" post.

How about, instead of coming off as a complete shitnozzle, you enlighten us with your knowledge?

>>32064027
I'm not trying to fucking teach you.
I'm trying to get you to see that you don't know shit so you'll shut the fuck up.

Want to learn? Go to an engineering library with academic paper access, not fucking 4chan.

Fucking dumb ass...

>>32063962

Neat. If it can pick up weak signals, does that mean it should have pretty good range too? Like, it can pick up the signals further out than being damn near on top of them?

(I'm genuinely curious. I know tone can be hard to decipher through text, but just putting this out there since that shitstain above seems to think we're all arguing.)

>>32064054

>I'm trying to get you to see that you don't know shit so you'll shut the fuck up.
>By not showing me anything

That really Corrected my Record, thanks. I'm sure you're fun at parties.

>>32064097
>Corrected my Record
So it's official, we are just using the phrase to refer to anything we don't agree with?
I'm not who you were replying to BTW, but I do agree he is a shitnozzle.

>>32064074
>>32064097
I fucking told you, read about RMS energy dissipation.

Why do you think something as complex as microwave radiation propagation and DSP warrant only a cursory explanation on 4chan? GO READ A FUCKING ENGINEERING TEXT BOOK.

THIS IS WHY I DO NOT BOTHER WITH THESE TOPICS, AND IDIOTS WHO THINK THEY'RE ENTITLED TO "UNDERSTANDING" BY SIMPLY SITTING IN MOMS BASEMENT EATING CHEETOS AND SHITPOSTING

>>32064215
hahaha so instead you just cry like a baby?

>>32064257
Yes.

However, between the two of us, you are still the only moron, and the only one without a 6 digit income.

Got anything else to say before hitting the books?

>>32064211
>So it's official, we are just using the phrase to refer to anything we don't agree with?

That's how I use it now.

>>32064318

I'm not >>32064257, I'm who you were originally sperging at. It's just that we can both see how pathetic you are. Project harder big boy.

>>32064400
Sure. Keeping being stupid.

Enjoy being an ignorant fuck and not being taken seriously IRL.

Ciao, tard. And remember to pick up a book once in a while. Honest advice here.

>>32064211
>So it's official, we are just using the phrase to refer to anything we don't agree with?
They were doing that from day one.

>>32064450

Bye bye. I hope your nasty attitude and baseless assumption serve you well. :^)

>>32064473

>CTR wasn't real maymay.

>>32064513
>Implying it was anything but a meme here that was convenient for /pol/tards to use to dismiss dissent

>>32064663

I see your point, friend anon, though you can't really say it was "anything BUT a meme" considering some of the threads about "What would Trump do about X?" had very strong evidence of CTR infiltration, not even just the people memeing.

...

So, about that Chinese missile, huh?

>>32065244
You know, you can be a gun owner and think Trump is a walking medical waste dump.

>So, about that Chinese missile, huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yutu_(rover)
Not impressed by their tech.

>>32065385
It still found quite a few interesting things not known before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2G1z4NMg6k

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fuck huge

>>32061311
Both numbers are wrong.

>>32061319
>what is a sniper pod

>>32063962
Sounds like it would be extremely easy to jam then. Nice firework you made there chink

>>32059384
so whose tech did they steal

everyone on the fucking planet knows the yellow horde cant produce shit on their own

vatniks are clever
slopes are not

>>32066548
>>32066574
bait

>>32066638
>its seeker is so sensitive it can see sidelobes -60 dB
>not easily tricking the missile with faint RF signals
I think the conversation I'm trying to have is a little above your understanding friend

>>32066678
Whatever.

Get lost, troll.

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>>32066369
Since this is such a large missile, I wished SAC continued with the H-18 project.

It would be able to carry a number of those internally, kinda like a stealthy B-1R.

>>32066697
Sensitivity in RF systems is a tradeoff that must be made. The claim that it can track sidelobes from a great distance is clearly nonsense as the seeker would have to have a large G/T, adding to this G/T say, from a jammer, would overload the ADC and you wouldn't get shit for signal. Of course you can attenuate your amplifier automatically, but then you lose your sensitivity to track sidelobes.
Maybe it's time to accept that there are people who are smarter than yourself on the internet?

>>32066734
bait.

get out.

>>32066743
Aww 50 cent man got called out on his bullshit again and is sad ;(

>>32066754
bait.

>>32059384
Long range AWACS killers are scary shit.

A missile specifically designed to poke out your eyes and cut off your head.

>>32066638
truth hurts, doesn't it.

>AABM

Its like China is in Strangereal or something.

China confirmed for copying Yukes.

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>>32066968
They need some unconventional measures to face off against US conventional superiority.

>>32066506
>what is a sniper pod
What the F-35 has internally in the EOTS.

>>32066768
>>32066743
>>32066697
>>32066638
Beta

>>32059890
With a shrinking economy?

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>>32066506
>Both numbers are wrong.
One number was wrong (for some reason I was thinking of the CAPTOR-E) The APG-81 has 1628 T/R modules, the PAK-FA's N036 has 1512 T/R modules - feel free to count them for yourself

Impressive

China's research and development truly has no analogue anywhere in the world. There is no precedent, the anti air ballistic missile cannot be stopped.

>>32066734
Clearly you've never taken a DSP course. Why don't you just shut the fuck up?

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>>32067585
>belka radar

>>32061358
kek

>>32066574
>its a butthurt russian poster

>>32059391
He's a big guy

>>32069831
For lieutenant Yu

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>>32069860
She was Captain REEEEE

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>>32059408
>>32059414
>>32059421

Full research paper found;

http://xueshu.baidu.com/s?wd=paperuri%3A%28b1c3186d596f467150508c2616c618d3%29&filter=sc_long_sign&tn=SE_xueshusource_2kduw22v&sc_vurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.doc88.com%2Fp-9475497447238.html&ie=utf-8&sc_us=1589279708490559253

Some key points:

composite seeker of active radar and ImIR for terminal phase (I think this probably confirms that the aperture on the nose is for ImIR seeker), partly for counter stealth role(?)
-GPS/INS guidance with datalinks for midcourse phase
-mentions something called "direct force control" (直接力控制), also called "射流侧向力," which I assume to be something like reaction thrusters? Provide lateral thrust? Sounds kind of like "pif" lateral thrusters used in Aster
-emphasis of importance of joint networking/informationized warfare for this thing to work
-emphasis on use of this missile against high value targets, mentioning AEW&C mostly (including ImIR seeker to identify between high and low value targets)
-emphasis on ECCM

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>>32060130

>>32070156
Japan and Korea BTFO

>>32070376
AWACS BTFO.

This also means the E-2D advanced hawkeye.

>>32072607
*Assuming the missile actually works
*And can track the plane
*And the launch platform gets the chance to fire it before exploding

>>32072671
I will do what amerifats usually do:

NETWORKED HIGH TECH WARFARE
PLANE DOESNT NEED TO SEE TARGET AND MISSILE DOESNT NEED TO LOCK ON TARGET BECAUSE A MILLION INVISIBLE F-35s WILL SHARE INFORMATION WITH CARRIER PLANE AND SEAD ECM EW WILL BLIND THE ENEMY SO THAT HE WONT KNOW WHAT HITS THEM AND THEN WE WILL DROP A FEW MOABS INTO THE THREE GORGES DAM THAT WILL SHOW THEM AEGIS FTW SM-3 WILL KNOCK OUT EVERYTHING BOW DOWN TO BURGER

>>32072671
J-20 launches missile from 300km range vs E-2D. even if external carriage, the E-2D wont detect the J-20 at that range. J-20 dashes away before F-35 screens can pick him up.

Missile goes into atmosphere and above radar search cone, cruises at 40km altitude.
E-2D's emissions are picked up by Chinese ELINT planes 600km away, datalink to satellite, which in turn provides target updates to the missile.

Missile returns back to atmosphere with Mach 4-5 20km before reaching the E-2D.
E-2 tries to run, but cant.

Missile splashes the E-2D.

>>32072693
See, here's the thing, when we say a system can do something, IT'S BECAUSE WE KNOW IT CAN. It's not posturing. In fact, we often get a downplayed version as public information. We don't need the posturing propaganda because our shit is actually that good.

>>32072743
As good as the LCS and Ford class, right?

>>32072736
>J-20 launches missile from 300km range vs E-2D. even if external carriage, the E-2D wont detect the J-20 at that range. J-20 dashes away before F-35 screens can pick him up.
Where does a J-20 get targeting data for the E-2D out at sea? It feels like we're left with the same questions as Chinks trying to hit a carrier with with no kill chain.

>>32072736
*Assuming that we'll have hot AWACS running on day zero when China still has an Air Force

China's making a lot of assumptions about what they'll be able to do against the worlds two largest, most advanced Air Forces and what our active tactics would be, especially if they're showing off weapons like that.

Also, pretty sure the J-20 can't carry that monster internally, so the F-35 could get pretty good returns from well inside AIM-120D range.

>>32072774
ELINT and the plane being unstealthy and getting detected by China's own AWACS (KJ-2000 and KJ-500 Type-88 radar has 470km range againt fighter sized targets).

>>32072755
The newest LCS models are coming up pretty well, it's the prototypes that have issues.

And the Ford class will be excellent. The Ford itself will have prototype-issues like all first of class ships, but the follow-ons won't.

>>32072786
Again, assuming that we'll have AWACS running knowing you have a missile like that.

Or even really need it with F-35s up.

>>32072777
J-20 cant carry it internally, but even with external carriage, the E-2D wont be able to detect a J-20 with two external missiles at such range.

Also, there is no point for the F-35 to fly so far ahead and outside the search-radius of the E-2D, since the F-35 relies on AWACS for all its information/situational awareness shit.

And unsupported F-35s are dead F-35s.

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Holy fuck.

>>32072811
>Also, there is no point for the F-35 to fly so far ahead and outside the search-radius of the E-2D, since the F-35 relies on AWACS for all its information/situational awareness shit.

>Such an advanced sensor suite it can act as a Mini-AWACS and relay far more data back to main AWACS and command
>Relies on AWACS

Where the hell are you getting your info from? The US doesn't rely on external control of our pilots.

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>>32072822
Launched like an ASAT missile (even using the F-15 ASAT pic), but with the distinction, that this missile also comes down again :^)

>>32072822
Cute.

>>32072786
>ELINT
Implying USA doesn't have ELINT

>the plane being unstealthy
Implying China has stealth to hide its ELINT

>KJ-2000 and KJ-500 Type-88 radar has 470km range againt fighter sized targets
Implying China fields any number of KJ 2000. Implying China's AWACS don't have electronic signatures. Implying China's AWACS aren't limited to shore operations.

>>32072840
>mini AWACS
>with no 360° radar coverage

The F-35 doesnt even have secondary radars. Dont believe the LM marketing shills.

The T-50 is more of a mini-AWACS than the F-35 is.

The truth will be: F-35s will searching their respective areas witth their comparable narrow search cones, while the J-20 will simply slip through or wont even get into its radar range before sending the missile into space.

>>32072861
ELINT planes have 800 nmi passive detection range.

No F-35 will opertate 800nmi away from the E-2D it protects.

Also, Chinese AWACS do not need to go out into the pacific anyway. In any war, it is the US who is the aggressor and attacks China. China only needs to wait.

Holy fuck China is fucking based.

>>32072874
>Active radar is the only system that matters
Outdated child. The AN/ASQ-239 Barracuda passive EWO suite is a huge advantage that gives it massive situational awareness without radiating anything.

>>32072889
>In any war, it is the US who is the aggressor and attacks China. China only needs to wait.
You mean after China starts the fight.

>>32072904
>Holy fuck China is fucking based.
Nope, this is just more posturing and dickwaving.

>>32072919

>You mean after China starts the fight.

History shows, the US is ALWAYS the aggressor.

When did Iraq attack you? Or Afghanistan? Or Vietnam?

Luckily, you neocon scum are being BTFO now.

>>32072919
>Outdated child. The AN/ASQ-239 Barracuda passive EWO suite is a huge advantage that gives it massive situational awareness without radiating anything.


>passive
>detecting anything stealth

KEK

You are free to detect the KJ-2000's AESA emissions, but until your AIM-120Ds reach them, J-20s have killed your E-2Ds, tankers, airborne command etc. long ago with the AABM.

>>32072954
Technically in Afghanistan it was guests of the Taliban who performed 9/11. And Vietnam was the escalation of assistance to the South Vietnamese government.

>>32072968
>Implying the J-20 is actually stealth
>Implying they'll have a target to shoot these wunderwaffe missiles at at that stage in a conflict
You keep making the mistake of thinking we'd be so stupid as to put them in range of your wunderwaffe when you've told us about them. And if you do first-strike, well, guess what kind of can of worms you just opened up?

>>32072889
>ELINT planes have 800 nmi passive detection range.
Implying USA will be broadcasting. Implying passive detection is relevant. Implying China won't be shooting nothing but water with just 5 KJ 2000 with probably 2 operating at any one time. Kek, Implying China's AWACs won't be going for a nice swim after their pathetic coverage.

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>>32073006

less meme arguments please. you are not helping yourself.

China also has KJ-500, KJ-200 and soon the KJ-5000 (Y-20 platform).

A lot of AWACS that are being churned out.

And AWACS arenth the only thing... UAVs like the Divine Eagle as well.

>>32063322
Not necessarily.

>>32073006
>And if you do first-strike, well, guess what kind of can of worms you just opened up?

If F-35s intrude Chinese airspace, then they and their support-crafts are getting shot down.

>>32073033
>less meme arguments please
He says while memeing Chinese wunderwaffe.

>>32072848
Why did noone thought about this before.

This is genius. Using a space weapon to hit air-targets in long distances.

>>32073042
We've had over 70 years to directly pick a fight with you, including supporting Taiwan's independence and keeping MacArthur from nuking the shit out of you. Dick-wave all you want, but you'll be the ones making the first move.

>>32073053
>Why did noone thought about this before.
Because it's not likely to actually work, and publicly announcing a weapon like this erases what little advantage it could have as a surprise strike.

>>32073057
70 years ago noone took China seriously, aside of getting a bloody nose in Korea for understimating them.

Nowadays, China is the biggest rival and the US is actively fearing for their hegemony.

For sure the US was going to pick a fight, if. Clinton won. All these Chinese weapon developments were done to prepare for a Clinton presidency, but they wont stop, even if Trump won at the end.

>>32073076
>Nowadays, China is the biggest rival and the US is actively fearing for their hegemony.
Not really. We still give more shits about Russia.

>For sure the US was going to pick a fight, if. Clinton won.
Yeah, no. She'd at least try diplomacy, compared to how Trump is a childish egotist who can't let anything goand has a short fuse.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-seeks-interim-champ-longer-range-air-to-air-416828/

>Carlisle says outmatching the Chinese PL-15 air-to-air missile in particular is an “exceedingly high priority”.

>“The PL-15 and the range of that missile, we’ve got to be able to out-stick that missile,” he says.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/25/the-new-chinese-missile-that-has-the-u-s-air-force-spooked.html
>The New Chinese Missile That Has the U.S. Air Force Spooked


Could this be the PL-15 General Carlisle mentioend?

>>32073127
Keep in mind that US doctrine is to pile on the force multipliers to make it as unfair a fight as possible. So even if the missile does work, all it means is we take the vulnerable piece out of play until the threat is neutralized.

>>32069728
>DSP relevant for an RF front end
Do you just throw out buzz words?

>>32059890
>Japan, a nation that less than 20% of the public would fight for
>Fielding a competitive military

The US castrated them, and it was a mistake.

>>32073888
Phoenix is literally a poor-man's K-100.

>hurr slap a HAWK on a plane so original!
>durr let's demand a million bucks per shot
>still cant hit shit if the bomber-target is slightly maneuvering

>>32074471
>chinese bloggers know is fake

good try.

but no blogger think it is fake.

>>32059384
I like how this missile's body is still kept relatively slim and light-weight looking, unlike the big fucking KS-172 that is as thick as an anti-ship missile.

This would mean that a Flanker could carry an substancial amount of these missiles on the wing-pylons, and at least one at the center-fuselage hardpoint.

We could be looking at a five to seven shot per Flanker weapon.

A single regiment of J-16 (24 planes), could probably single-handedly engage the entire ROCAF if faced off against Taiwan, or a large part of Japan's Eagle fleet. All at stand-off range.

It is the Chinese equivalent of ALHTK.

>>32073124
>compared to how Trump is a childish egotist

Wrong, and I didn't vote for Trump. Hilary Clinton might be the biggest threat to world peace since G.W.Bush

>>32072736
>aircraft screening an E-2D fly alongside the E-2D

>>32074598
You are arguing with someone who is both willfully ignorant of Hillary's history and drank the coolaid propaganda of her campaign.

>>32073564
DSP not relevant? Funny you talk about RF "front end", because I happen to have done research on antennae (research, as in a fucking NSF grant). Specifically, micro antenna patterns etched using modern VLSI node for embedded MEMS applications.

The efficacy of detection and signal discrimination will always be determined by the finesse of your DSP programming.

Seriously, it sounds like you haven't graduated from a credible EE degree, so stay in school.

If you want to play with the big dawgs, you gotta bring the goods.

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>>32074513
Seriously, PLAAF vs ROCAF will be like swatting mosquitos.
Even if ROCAF gets all their F-16s converted to F-16V standards and receive AIM-120Ds, the J-11Ds and J-16s alone, without J-20 support, will achieve air-supremacy in a matter of hours. And that is completely ignoring airbase attacks by over thousands of ballistic missiles and even fucking MRLS across the mere 200km wide strait.

Pan-Green are dumb as shit if they think that it is a good idea to challenge the status-quo that worked so good for all these decades, only to satify their weeaboo voters.

>>32072755
>As good as the LCS and Ford class, right?

You realize you praising it, right?

>>32074636
>willfully ignorant of Hillary's history
Not ignorant, just not indoctrinated to the massively overblown, and often straight-up untrue, Alt-Right version that ignores how much worse Trump is.

>>32074673
>ADC saturated
>muh dsp
You poor CS nerds thinking lines of code are the solution to every problem.

>>32075023
Thank you for confirming you drank Hillary's coolaid.

>>32076860
Thank you for confirming you drank Trump's coolaid.

>meme missile
is this the next evolution of memetic warfare?

>>32063910
Did China copy the Pershing II?

>>32073076
>For sure the US was going to pick a fight, if. Clinton won.

Reince Priebus is one of the most pro-Taiwan members of Congress, and another Trump advisor, Peter Navarro, has advocated the US improve its arm sales to Taiwan.

https://psmag.com/weighing-war-over-taiwan-in-a-time-of-trump-c5f0bd0c2416#.hu0x02z35
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/america-cant-dump-taiwan-17040

Trump's term of office will be when Taiwan finally gets F-35s and decent submarines.

>>32078950
Navarro is a nutcase and by even his own admission, the only contact by him to trump was via e-mail.

And you know how many times Trump actually checks his mails.

No, Trump presidency will be perfect for China.

>>32080543
Even if Navarro's a nutcase, Reince Priebus is still going to be his Chief of Staff. Considering no other executive official has been so pro-Taiwan in recent history, I'm still going to put my money on Taiwan finally getting decent arms.

>>32078950
You do know the ROC military isso full of moles that the civilian leadership is not sure which side who the military would side for in case of war.
Anything sold to Taiwan can automatically assumed to be studied in depth by the chinese

>>32081340
While the ROC military is indeed full of moles, I find it hard to believe that ROC military members wouldn't defend their home in the event of an invasion.

In any case, while there is a higher risk of espionage, Taiwan will never be able to defend itself if we insist on only selling them junk. Furthermore, all of our military tech has already been compromised by Chinese cyber attacks anyway. So I feel it's a risk the US should be willing to take.

>>32072693
I will do what chicoms/vatniks normally do:

THE ENTIRETY OF THE US AND THEIR ALLIES' LAYERED AIR DEFENCES AND STEALTH TECHNOLOGY WILL BE DEFEATED BY [insert experimental meme weapon of which two were built here] JUST YOU WAIT WESTERN PIGS

>>32081340
Meh. We can still sell them newer F-16s and refurbish their old ones if we like.
It doesn't matter that it wouldn't substantially help Taiwan. They're fucked militarily, F-35 or no.

>>32081761
>Furthermore, all of our military tech has already been compromised by Chinese cyber attacks anyway.
Heh, you actually believe that. That's pretty funny.

>>32081791
Even if we don't sell them F-35s, we should at the very least help them develop diesel submarines.

And no one actually expects Taiwan to be able to hold off a Chinese invasion indefinitely by this point. The whole point of selling Taiwan weapons is so they can hold off an invasion for just enough time for the US to intervene. And they can't hold out at all if all they have is junk.

>>32081851
Explain? Has the effectiveness of Chinese cyber attacks been exaggerated by the media?

>>32072736
you missed the part where the laser targets the missile at hits it at the speed of light, then burns out the J-20.

Sorry scrub. The rest of the world spent decades trying to catch up to the US in the missile game, and that shit is old news. We are in the laser game now son. get wrecked.

>>32081907
>laser

Luckily, physics will beat you.

Diffraction will beat you.


Have fun painting a missile for dozens of seconds with your laser at five nautical miles, while ten other missiles are slamming into your fuselage.

>>32081927

>J-20s covered with mirrors yankee dog!!! Glorious China Shing ding dong attack protocols are so advanced round eye will never counter it! Lasers are useless against our mandate of heaven!!!

China needs to settle down. China is the worlds production slave. Just because the western powers left that miserable shit country doesn't mean boxer rebellion 2.0 won't happen if China stirs the pot. We own you, forever.

The chinks will work in the factories for the world's corporations and be happy about it, or else.

>>32081878
If you get your information on international espionage, cyber attacks and spying from the media you are certainly ill informed

still no SU-35

RIP Putin

>>32082132
Okay, then inform me: how would Chinese spies in Taiwan be able to get more information about American military tech then what they can already get from cyber attacks and Chinese spies in the US?

>>32081878
They may have gotten stuff on unclassified networks with an internet connection, but that never tells the whole story.

>>32082153

The source for that claim was always Russian. But even Sputniknews now only writes about negations again.

>>32081220
Great, when Taiwan eventually does get the F-35, China will have a even closer look at that aircraft.

>>32074513
>>32074696
Are you guys Chinese? Where do you get info on this shit? Is it actually trustworthy?

It's quite interesting that the J-10 getting the sweeter avionics toys than the J-11.

Makes me wonder if the J-10 will be the low fighter in the near J-20 future.

>>32082113
learn to read.

Diffraction arent mirrors.

Diffraction, especially in atmospheric conditions, mean that your laser will only have like 5 nmi range and loses engery rapidly after that.

>>32074696
>Pan-Green are dumb as shit if they think that it is a good idea to challenge the status-quo that worked so good for all these decades, only to satify their weeaboo voters.

Why should the DPP support the 1992 """Consensus""" when it was only an "agree to disagree" agreement the KMT and CCP reached that wasn't even accompanied by an official treaty or statement? Unless the Taiwanese begin demanding the DPP acknowledge the 1992 """Consensus""", the DPP has no obligation to do so.

Chinese are dumb as shit for thinking that pointing missiles at Taiwan, using economic blackmail such as restricting Chinese tourists, and shutting Taiwan out of international organizations is going to make the Taiwanese return to the "motherland".

>>32082952
1992 consensus simply worked.
Agree to disagree was the best solution. The alternative is bad for Taiwan, because China realizes that they can never win over hearts and minds anyway.

China is never going to let Taiwan go and they know that Taiwan's rejection of China isnt only political anymore, but increasingly cultural and racial already (one can see how the Pan-Green are starting their own cultural revolution already, rejecting everything Chinese, even their own culture and language in favor of the Japs).
CCP know that even with democracy in China, Taiwan would think of mainlanders as subhumans and never return, but instead offer themselves as airbase for the US and Japan to contain China forever.

So, if they have the firepower and have more leverage, why should they accept official independence.

At this moment, I'm not even sure China gives a fuck about Taiwan's integrity and people anymore, and would rather just completely wipe out the population, retake the empty island, build land-bridges out of the rubble to forever connect Taiwan to the mainland physically, and get themselves an access point to the 2nd island chain.

Taiwanese population are overestimating themselves. The CCP and China's realist policy makers only want Taiwan as a jumpboard to the Pacific. Pacifying the people, everyone agrees, is a hassle and could be solved via genocide or deportation and dispersion of the population into some inner-chinese dustbowl provinces that will destroy the Taiwanese identity forever.

>>32059384
wonder which nation they copied it from this time

1-3 USA
4-7 poo
8-9 russja
0 western europe

>>32083106
Concept wise: Original. Air-launched ballistic anti air missiles are kinda radical, but actually a workable concept.

Basic concept; Russia - anti AWACS missiles like KS-172/K-100 are old story.

>>32083026
>1992 consensus simply worked.

My point was, calling it a "consensus" was always moronic because it was merely a gentleman's agreement between two political parties with no consultation with the people of Taiwan.

>China realizes that they can never win over hearts and minds anyway.

I think the CCP is still hoping they can win Taiwan via hearts and minds. The problem is, they think they can win over Taiwanese with free trade agreements but economic integration doesn't imply political integration; if that was the case, Canada and the US would be one state and the EU would be a superstate.

China is like the beta guy who is nice to his female friends and then gets pissed when they don't reward him with sex. Just like how being nice is considered a basic requirement of a human being, signing free trade agreements without annexing other states is considered a basic requirement of modern states. Of course the Taiwanese don't reciprocate your actions because your every action has the ulterior motive of annexing them. The reason why Taiwanese are able to be huge weebs is because the Japanese aren't trying to annex Taiwan anymore.

>>32083329
Interhuman reactions do not accurately describe international politics.

Taiwan's independence isnt just some annoying thing, but an existencial threat to China, because it would invite US bases in Taiwan and blockade China from ever accessing the pacific in wartime.

Accepting Taiwan's independence no matter how both feel about each other isnt an option for China.

And I'm not so sure the Japanese wont want to annex Taiwan anymore. Pan-Green would offer Taiwan to become a Japanese province.

And Japan would be happy to enforce the island-chain blockade against China with Taiwan in their pockets.

Taiwanese independence is for China like Israel accepting Iranian nukes.
If Taiwan declares independence and China fails at reunification, China would rather sacrifice their entire country and nuke Taiwan compeltely off the map just to deny ANYONE in the world the possession of Taiwan.

>>32083026
>>32083329
In regards to the scenario you described in the rest of your post, yeah, I could see the average Chinese maybe supporting a genocide of Taiwan, judging by how 留岛不留人 as become a common phrase online nowadays.

But if the only thing people can propose to resolve the "Taiwan Question" is 留岛不留人, then that only shows that Chinese have no practical solution to the "Taiwan Question". 留岛不留人 is unlikely to succeed because genocide rarely succeeds in the modern era; not even the KMT was able to kill every pro-independence during the 228 Incident, and the 228 Incident only strengthened the Taiwan independence movement. Killing or deporting most of the Taiwanese is simply never going to happen.

Not to mention that this idea is based on the dangerous assumption that the US would not intervene in the event of an invasion. You all like to tell yourselves that the US is a declining power and our commitments aren't worth shit, but you honestly don't know what we would do. Frankly, I can see Trump being more than willing to go to war with China.

Finally, any invasion of Taiwan would be Pyrrhic victory. While Taiwan's economy is obviously more dependent on China than vice versa, the complete destruction of the Taiwanese economy would still have a huge negative effect on the Chinese economy. The invasion would also forever mark China as an imperialistic rogue state and would forever destroy what little soft power you have. All you have left is a brief period of patriotic feelings and control over the First Island Chain.

The only practical solution would be to cut a deal with Taiwan like the USSR did with Finland. China recognizes Taiwanese independence, and in return Taiwan agrees to never form alliances with other states. You could also probably pressure Taiwan enough to allow PLA bases on the island. All of this would still allow China to control the First Island Chain, without having to go through the trouble of ruling Taiwan.

>>32083385
See
>>32083469
A "Finland Solution" to Taiwan would be one way to neutralize the threat of Taiwan to the Chinese mainland without going through the trouble of invading and killing the whole island.

>>32083329
>>32083469
So to conclude, if China will really go to any lengths to control Taiwan, even if the costs would make it a Pyrrhic victory, then that's nothing more than irrational "muh clay" nationalism. And if the scenario you describe is something China would really do, then why shouldn't the US support and defend Taiwan?

>>32072822
The poor saps in that plane

>>32083514
>Implying the US would have anything vulnerable in the air while that's still a threat
>Assuming it actually works and isn't just dickwaving

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>>32063983

>I'll be interested to see what comes out of the US with the sequester hopefully disappearing

In seriousness, more and bigger tiltrotors. The V-22 is already in service, soon the V-280 and after that some sort of fuckhuge thing to replace the C-130. Go big or go home, etc.

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>>32083922

Also probably exotic shit like pic related, drones launchable from drone submarines.

>tfw I hate China but I hate Japan even more

The only thing I want to know is can these missiles fuck Japan up? Please, for the love of God, if China can do only one thing and then fizzle out, PLEASE PUT THE JAPS IN THEIR PLACE.

t. concerned Korean

>>32083937
Why don't you work with China so you can keep Dokdo and they can retake the Diaoyu Islands Korea-kun?

>>32083937
No, you're opinion doesn't count. This is a discussion for relevant nations.

>>32084538
SK can work with China, but we definitely don't want to be some tributary state.

>>32084563
Are you gonna answer my question?