Alright, I tried to explain the retarded design of the combat

>>32047663
no

>>32047663
Fallout 3 Shotgun thread #six gorillion and ten.

>>32047663
I just chalked it up to the drum being a retrofit on a normal tube fed shotgun.

The drum just tops up the from of the tube and the shot gun actually feeds as you would expect it to in a normal setup.

So there's like 3 - 5 rounds behind the drum in that bit between it and the trigger guard (the internal and original tubeular magazine).

Again, it's a retro refitting in my mind.

Do I need to draw it to make sense to you?

>Ugh.
>It's basically a tube-loader with a striker-style drum strapped to the end. Underneath the barrel is a short piston/gas system to punch the next round out of the drum and push the last round into the chamber...somehow or another. And we'll assume the drum wound by spring and...

Fuck it.
It's fiction.
Why do we care? Even if you could make it work, it wouldn't work well.

>>32047684
>tops up the from of the tube
*FRONT of the tube

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How does it cycle?

>>32047684
So does the spring that's normally in the tube magically retract when feeding the next round from the drum? It still doesn't make sense.

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Where's the forward assist?
Where's the gas tube?
Where's the charging handle?

>>3204766 how does the ejection port cover work or is it open? how is the bolt guided? a rod?

>>32047689
>Why do we care?

Autistic teens.

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WHAT DOES IT EAT

>>32047715
If you examine your image for a brief moment, you'll notice it's got a charging handle on the bolt. The gas tube could be hidden by the handguards.
Where's your lack of autism? It's a fucking video game that makes no claims to realism

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Heck of a shotgun.

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>charging "handle" directly on the bolt
>bolt can't clear the magazine
>completely unsuable bayonet that was dummied out of the game
>reflex sight is literally just a ring bolted to the carry handle with no projector or anything

How does it cycle anyway?

>>32047715
Did you post the wrong fucking image?

Cause there's a charging handle and a forward assist in that picture.

>>32047663
isnt this design irrelevant because the made it more conventional in Fallout 4?

I'm pretty sure they modelled like that so they could just reuse the same animation from the Assault Rifle

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HOW DOES IT CYCLE ANYWAY?

>>32047738
>Cause there's a charging handle and a forward assist in that picture.
Go ahead. Point em' out.

For bonus points, point out a magazine release. Or literally any way to take apart the receiver without a drill.

>>32047741
Fallout 4 made me sad.

>no ability to throw a stock on the 10mm and make a pdw thing.

Like, the laser rifle works like that, why the fuck can't the 10 mil?

There's a 10 millimeter carbine mod but it isn't the same gun.

Also the combat rifle and combat shotgun rifle in fallout 4 were lazy and generic looking which is sad because fallout guns have always been cool.

I was actually so disappointed in ballistic weapons I only rock a laser rifle.

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>>32047748
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFFN_j3WD80

point out the same mechanism in >>32047737 fuckhead

I'll wear your moron face like a party hat if you don't

>>32047731
>the gas tube could be hidden by the handguards.

you can see that there's no tube coming out of the FSP. it could be a fake rifle length or whatever but there's no reason to do that on a military issue firearm

the obsidian designers just weren't the best, as far as mechanical sense is concerned. they should have gotten the advice of a professional, or at least someone who understood the inner workings of firearms.

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>>32047715
>where's the forward assist

It's right here goddamn are you fucking blind stop shouting

>>32047752
because Fallout 4's weapons are fucking Lazy

>>32047750
Okay so this is probably b8 but I'm replying anyways.

Charging handle is right there on the fucking bolt and the forward assist is where they always are.

Also anon the receiver is full of pins, so fucking tap 'em out.

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>>32047757

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>>32047663

>>32047684

>>32047705
>>32047705
Here you go.

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>>32047748
When you fire, gas from the chamber (the red 1 crudely MS painted in) cycles backward through the tube to the area about at the purple 2, which unlocks another part, which lets the bolt move backward.

Can you see such a tube in >>32047737

>>32047773
>o-oh no ive been btfo better just say i was only pretending to be retarded

>>32047786
w-what if the gas tube isn't attached to the sights anon!

If you want to be a fucking fag and nitpick I'm just gonna say it's inside the fucking handguard.

>>32047752
>why the fuck can't the 10 mil?
balance

its a shitty FPS-RPG, not

Why weren't there any long over-unders in STALKER? Why couldn't you put a stock on the Mac-10 in Far Cry 2? because its a fucking video game and theres balance to consider, thats why

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>>32047663
It works you are just trying too hard.

>>32047796
>w-what if the gas tube isn't attached to the sights anon!
too bad it is in 99% of ARs

>say it's inside the fucking handguard.
doesnt seem to be a lot of room for that.
still begs the question of where the gas key would go (unless the receiver is only like half a mm thick), how it cycles at all with a screw welded to the bolt through the ejection port, or how it feeds new rounds with no way to go all the way back because there's a nubbin on the bolt preventing it.

>>32047764
Fallout 4's everything was lazy.

>>32047805
I want Obsidian to buy the Fallout franchise from Bethesda

>>32047704
How do you adjust the stock?

>>32047779
Yeah, except that mechanism doesn't work because there's no reliable mechanism for feeding shells into the tube from the drum repetitiously while also pushing rounds from the tube into the chamber.

>>32047797
Because using anything other than power armor and a combat rifle is effective, sure.

The game has shit balance, might as well have made it fun while they were at it, but nah;

Gotta make it palatable for all the console cuckbabies and children that saw their favorite youtuber play New Vegas.

Whatever, it's money and they made it, I just wish people would complain more often and demand a quality product.

But I bought it, didn't I?

>>32047797
Literally WHAT anon.

It's a singleplayer game and literally the only way to play it is to take the rifleman perk at every opportunity and use the rifles in semi-auto as different ones enter the world with your level.

There is no balance.

And also;

They did exactly what I was talking with another gun in the game. A stock change in the crafting station literally changes it from a pistol to a rifle.

>>32047811
>I want Furrs to buy McDonald's

Never gonna happen, nerdo.

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>>32047814
>because there's no reliable mechanism for feeding shells
Whats stopping you from creating gas-push instead of hand motion mechanism.

>>32047827
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST SAY TO ME YOU LITTLE BITCH?

>>32047817
>literally the only way to play it is to take the rifleman perk
Does your PC explode if you don't?

>>32047841
Holy shit.

See Global Rule 2.

>>32047847
Answer the question.

>>32047797
But annoy their was a long over-under in Stalker (that was cut as their was a long side by side that did he same thing)

>>32047865
>their
Lol.
>But annoy their was a long over-under in Stalker
Point out even a single over-under in base STALKER: SoC.

So? Where's this over-under in SoC?

Where is this fucking over-under in SoC?

You said there's an over-under in SoC. Where is it?

>>32047905
>>32047889
>>32047872
In the game files.

>>32047916
>zero proof

Where can the player in SoC find a long over-under shotgun?

Where is this over-under shotgun in base SoC?

>>32047748
nuclear battery powered revolving ejection system.

It's fallout so nuclear shit is probably the excuse.

>>32047663
No its a shit design. It bothered me so much I never used it in the game.

I can't fathom why they didn't go for the winchester city killer that showed up in 1 and 2. Thing looked badass, like a evolution of the H&K caws

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>>32047933
>someone literally posts a real life AR, albeit with fancy furniture and finishes
>"h-HOW DOES it le CYCLE lol"

>someone earnestly takes the b8

>and then fails to describe how it would cycle

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>>32047779
If you have some janky racheting system you can remove the need to reset a follower when changing clips.

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How does it cycle?

>>32047963
Gas blowback.

>>32047975
Where's the gas tube?

How does the bolt move far back enough to chamber another round?

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>>32047663
pls esplain how this weapon werks.

>>32047980
>Gas tube
Blowback doesn't have tubes, that's DI.

Bullets are short, the bolt doesn't have to go all the way back. The magazine is just oversized for ergonomics. Bigger things are easier to grab in a firefight.

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>>32047987
Don't you fucking DARE insinuate that any weapons in FONV don't make 100% perfect sense.

>>32047991
Have you ever held an AR in your life?

>>32048009
I don't see what that has to do with anything. Just because it looks like an AR15 doesn't mean it is. It works differently in game so they don't get hit with copyright infringement.

>>32047872
There wasn't in SoC, but there is in Clear Sky and In CoP too.

>>32047919
It is not usable in-game because it was cut, however the over-under shotgun from Clear Sky (Toz-34) is actually in t he gamefiles for stalker SoC

>>32047663
>>32047779
>>32047799
>>32047960
I always liked the possible pistondriven shotgun with possible drum-extended tube - BUT WHERE THE FUCK DOES THE FUCKING BOLT GO?
Back out, like a leveraction?

>>32047987
Just an ugly 20mm-Lahti with superdupermagic-coils on barrel for extra power - by far not the stupiest gun they made ...

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>>32047797
>balance
they you give you a suit of power armor and a mini gun right out the fucking gate. that stupid fucking game had no balance and whats worse is that they didn't even try to create a fun atmosphere to counter it.

there are literally no enemies in FO4 that pose a threat. you could go through the whole game with a 10mm pistol and still fuck everything up.

seriously fuck Bethesda and whoever planned the game out

>>32047953
It's everything you need to know about Bethesda apologists.
It's like pottery.

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>>32048593
>whoever planned the game out
They just *TRIED* to reuse the winning ingredients of Fo3.

BUt they tripped on their dicks with that totally out of character, bad form, TURBO - PATRIOT, non-pearlman intro and it just ruined the tone for me from there.

I'm waiting on the Remaster of Fo3 at this point, with little to no creative changes (just things like engine upgrade, etc).

>>32047987
It works just like any other electromagnetic coilgun, just with a better power supply.

The problem is the bottomless magazine.

>>32048621
It was one shot per EC or MFC in 3. What was it in NV?

>>32048619
>non-pearlman intro
DROPPED

>>32047748
I can't tell if I like this.

Do I like this?

Someone tell me if I like this.

>>32047995
but the Gauss Rifle design came from FO3

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>>32047663
Can you please use a different gun next time? It's the fucking FO3 shotty every time.

>>32047821
Your carpet is fucking gross, m8.

>>32048674
You like it.

Try the Ares AR with (with wood), for more wood.

>>32047987
they fixed this in 4 but then ruined it with its retarded design change

a lot of the weapons improved over their 3/NV designs but then they shit the bed with the gauss rifle, combat rifle, and the """"""""""assault""""""""""rifle and didn't include the 80+% finished notAK chink assault rifle

>>32047960
Where does the bolt go? That silver thing currently seen in the ejection port.

>>32047841
Not him but the game turns into borderlands late game if you don't go for high dam weapons. Even with commando since all the enemies are the higher health variants at high levels, gun fights frequently take hundreds of rounds to end.

>>32047987
I like to pretend that side magazine is actually a long curved block of metal that each time it gets shot it tears off a tiny piece of it. Over time that wears out the mag, so every time you repair it you actually are reloading the magazine.

>>32047663
Just settle on the fact that Bethesda makes horrible weapon designs that don't make sense.

>>32048511
oh shit you're right. Even if you assumed that end cap moved out like an lever actions they put a screw directly behind the "bolt" to make sure you know it doesn't fucking move back.

My best guess is the bolt yaws out of the way.

>>32047987
It's a man portable coilgun. Possible in the game's universe because they figured out microfusion so electricity is GG EZ

>>32048015
bruh

Here I am defending the game and then you come in with this retarded shit.

It fires a fucking 5.56x45 dude. The bullets are practically the length of the mag.

>>32048619
I'd love a remastered fallout 3. Maybe they could add in some of the cut-content if it wasn't anything obtrusive. Maybe some more variants of the same shit (like raider armors, just so it gets less visually boring because everyone is wearing strainer-bras). Also iron-sights.

And then change nothing else.

>>32047734
If you or anyone has the original post it please

>>32048035
yeah, but it's bugged
damage is insane high

>>32048619
>>32051123
>remaster
jesus god no
remasters are a cancer on the gaming community

instead of that, they should just make a decent game
remastering is a scam that requires no effort or creativity and tricks gamers into paying for the same content twice
plus, remasters make no sense for Bethesda games because they all get high-def texture mods within weeks of release that are better than Bethesda's HD remaster (see Skyrim remaster) anyway

>but I have an xbox/playstation and can't get the mods
you're still cancer

>>32047923
>>32047913
>>32047905
>>32047889
you only have to post once you mong

>>32048631
one shot per 5 MC

>>32050081
>Fallout 4's weapon designs improved over NV

No. What are you smoking? Fallout 4 had the worst weapon design of any fallout game.

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>>32047760
>least someone who understood the inner workings of firearms.

The dems don't care, and neither do the "lol blue pajamas " fanbase.

>>32050104
I always expected it to be a tilting bolt design. The bolt would tilt down and cycle into the stock. Much like early semizauto rifles

>>32047750
Am I missing something here, or do you just know nothing about how guns work or never used an AR? They're right fucking there in the picture, the charging handle is reciprocating and attached to the bolt protruding through the ejection port, and the forward assist is right fucking there behind the ejection port. And those are pushpins, not screws. The thumb mag release is on the other side since it's a right handed gun. Are you literally retarded?

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>>32047750
There you go, made a diagram for your bethestard noguns ass

Orange is gas tube, which simply ends slightly before the tube on a normal AR
Red is charging handle
Green is forward assist
White is what leaks out of your mom after I finish.

Questions?

>>32051465
>We approached these designs from the point of view of a retard who knows nothing about guns and is too lazy to do any research but tries to make a bad videogame with lots of things that vaguely resemble guns

FTFY bethesda.

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>>32051126
this?

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Its like this monstrosity

Except that instead of it being multiple tubes you can just rotate into position, the drum is like 12 one shot tubes (technically the combat shotgun would be better off with rotating tubes like the xrail or srm2016).

And instead of being Semi-Automatic its Fully Automatic (?) since thats easily accomplished.

The only hangup in the design is that when you go to reload it would be "complicated" to get shells to fully feed from the drum into the tube since the tube has travel distance the shells have to follow through.

Im going to guess you'd have to Cock/Charge the weapon at least 4 times to get a shell into the chamber.

>>32047663
What is a drum magazine?

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>>32052692

>>32052692
If you'll read the thread, you will find that having a magazine located anyplace other than right under the bolt/ejection port is a pretty big problem.

>>32047752
The hunting shotgun is dope, though.

>>32052692
It's a magazine that holds drums.

Pic related, it's my 2250cal drum magazine.

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>>32052848
Fuck, forgot the picture