Import restriction thread

>>32045777
HK has all but come out and said they hate supplying civilians with weapons. They live for military contracts. Fuck your feelings.

>>32045795

HK was also the only company to oppose the laws that halted US market sales.

>>32045795
No, they havent.

>>32045795
Please don't spread fuddlore in a thread attempting to collect factual information

>>32045777
HK's business doctrine is "Because you suck and we hate you"

Most of it is germany's side

>>32045777
Germany's domestic laws on exportation of firearms

>>32045831
I wouldn't doubt it.

We've got our fucking ITAR cockblocking us from exporting freedom, and those fucks in congress keep trying to use it to fuck the internet and 3d printing.

It would be real nice of mr. wall guy if he'd tell them to cut that shit out.

>>32045831
Can you cite any specific examples.

>>32045857
So Germany has domestic laws which prevent sales to civilians?

Why not build a factory in the US then?

>>32045831
Germany has a worse version of ITAR. AFAIK Germany requires prior authorization even just so blueprints can be exported, and this includes a companies international manufacturing facility. Naturally the German gov is anti-fun or at the very least anti civi firearms ownership so they cockblock H&K.

Also H&K got fucked hard twice by US laws. Both during the 89' bush import ban and the 94' ban H&K had stock meant for civilian sales coming into port that had to be turned around and sent back at a massive loss.

>>32045871
Germany won't allow H&K to export the blueprints to manufacture them overseas for a civilian market. It's a clusterfuck of US import laws and German export laws.

>>32045795
You are retarded

HK does a lot of civi sales, it's just all pistols. The big reason that they don't sell more stuff is that the last few times they tried to do so, they got complete and utterly fucked by new import and gun laws that came into being right after they started sales.

Then when you look at how terrible the SL8 did (I think due mostly in part to them not understanding the civilian market due to a complete absence of such a thing in Germany) and HK has pretty much given up on the civi market outside of pistols.

There has been some talk recently of them putting MP5s back up for sale in the states, but they are also going to cost an arm and a leg (I've heard that 2000 is at the low end of the price point) from what I hear. That further reinforces my belief that they don't understand the market since there are now plenty of quality MP5 clones out there now that go for much less. Yea sure HK fanboys will eat that shit up, but I don't think there will be enough interest to make it worth their while in the long run.

>>32045884
>Germany won't allow H&K to export the blueprints to manufacture them overseas for a civilian market.

So did the turks do it unofficially?

something about german law stating that "No jew rat shall ever be able to purchase the reichs arms!" then a bunch of anti-Semitic stuff and basic taxation shit

>>32045906
Those were government military contracts. That's how PTR got their tooling too, they got it from I think Portugal or something. The German government will allow military contracts, not civilian ones. It's the other countries selling off their tooling and specs years later that allow small start ups to buy the stuff and sell for the civilian market.

>>32045906
That's a really good question. My guess would be since the platform is so old it's basically public domain or at the very least H&K doesn't care enough to try and sue Zenith. The big thing is those guns aren't marketed AFAIK officially as MP5s or in any way related to H&K as a company. Same reason Aramlite/Colt isn't out trying to sue everyone and their grandmother over AR parts right now.

why can't we just do what every other nation does to us and clone it then name it something retarded like an NB-Five

keltec could probably make them out of that crappy polymer shit they use that smells like cut wood

>>32045940
So lets get Trump to buy HK tooling/blueprints for a small military contract for 6 months and then sell them off to any US manufacturers willing to build them.

>>32045959
Are there any US manufacturers of MP5 clones?

>H&K
>exporting
>affordable
>MP5s
top lel

Even those Zenith fucking turk licence'd MP5's are $1700, it's fucking ridiculous.

>>32045973

IIRC the patents on the MP5 expired quite a while ago, so there is nothing stopping anyone from making them other than the huge cost of make the tooling from scratch.

There are a handful of small/custom shops in the US that make MP5 clones, and PTR is supposed to be putting out one of their own sometime next year as well.

>>32045973
It would be nice to see PTR make some, since they make G3 copies.

But there is the issue of having a 16" barrel.

>>32046105
Do like Arsenal does and make the goofy long barrels meant to be cut down or make pistols meant to eventually take a stock.

>>32046105
No my friend, that is what """pistols""" and """braces""" are for.

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>>32045973
There's lingering rumors that PTR want to make 9mm carbines and pistols.

>>32046105
It's called a "pistol", think pic related in various MP5k, SD and Navy configs.

Why doesn't HK just build a manufacturing plant in the US?

>>32045795
Fuck off, Elmer

>>32048220
Because that shit is fucking expensive.

>>32048220
They have one already in Newington, New Hampshire

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>>32045904
I'm not even a fanboi and I'd fucking buy one for that much without sweating it.

>>32045904
>>32048348

It's the SP5K.
For around 2,700 allegedly.
For almost the price of two Zenith's or POFs, one for each hand.

It's great that HK is trying but almost three thousand dollars seems excessive for what this actually is, in my opinion.

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>>32048414
Forgot picture

>>32045906
You now know that yo mp5 clones can source their parts from Turkey and Pakistan

>>32048220
For that to be financially viable, they would need, at the very least, a contract with the US military to make like handguns or something. Or maybe if DOJ wanted to start equipping police with Mk23s and G36's.

>>32045869
Too bad it seems his cabinet picks are all human detritus that push that shit. Fuckin con men.

>>32048414
>It's great that HK is trying

Trying, yes. But failing horribly at understanding what the market demands.
The SP5k is neutered trash and no one but MUH KRAUT SPACE MAGIC faggots will buy it when Turk and Paki MP5 clones are available.

The SP5k
>single, unappealing configuration
>no tri lug
>no paddle mag release, irreversible
>multiple proprietary parts to ensure the gun isn't compatible with evil military MP5s
>overpriced

Turk/Paki clones
>multiple, full featured configurations
>tri lug
>paddle and button release
>fully compatible with surplus / aftermarket MP5 parts
>half the price of the HK abomination

HK always drops the fucking ball when releasing "civilan" versions of their weapons, because they don't understand that people want a gun that is as close to the original as possible, not some neutered featureless shit that looks vaguely similar.

>>32048952
>HK always drops the fucking ball when releasing "civilan" versions of their weapons, because they don't understand that people want a gun that is as close to the original as possible

Blame the German gov't, a paddle mag release or tri-lugged barrel is features of a Weapon Of War by their laws, they won't allow it even for civilian sales to other countries where this doesn't matter.

>>32048416
>>32048207

This looks like utter dogshit

So, what do I do if I want the closest thing to an actual MP5 without funding terrorism?

>>32049264
> without funding terrorism?
You're indirectly funding terrorism by simply paying taxes.

>>32049286
Okay, so who can I buy an MP5 from that won't almost directly fund terrorism?

>>32048952
They're neutered because that's the only way they're allowed to legally export them.

>>32045777
>What are the laws currently preventing H&K from exporting lots of affordable MP5s to the United States?
German laws mostly. Even with the current American laws, it would still be easy for companies such as Century to mass import them as handguns with a separate stock kit.

>>32049308
I don't see any way of Germany uncucking istelf in the next half a century so what can non Germans do to try and get those delicious guns?

Crowdfund an H&K factory in the US?

Any suggestions are welcome

>>32045777
Mix of German export and US import laws being a complete clusterfuck.
Also, there is a healthy dose of H&K knowing absolute dick about the US market.

>>32049308
this. its harder to get them out of germany than into the u.s.

>>32045803
> all but
> no they haven't
Then did they say they hate civilians? One of us is confused

>>32049327
You can buy the blueprints from Turkey or Pakistan.

>>32049426
Alright there is an idea

Anybody have any idea what tooling would cost?

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>>32049264
>>32049286
>>32049294


Even John McClain got his MP5 from a terrorist.

It's like you don't even want one.

> Now I have a machine gun
> Ho Ho Ho

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>>32049530
Aside from supporting Saracens, when I think of an MP5 I think of the OP image

Not this abomination

>>32049559
>>32049530

Also >$1800

>>32045904
I can confirm that MP5s are on sale again in the United States. I saw one a month ago at the gun show and it was 2,600-2,800 bucks from what I remember.

You can take this information as false if you want to, because I don't feel like getting on my phone to upload the photo. But the SP5k itself came in a big, black pelican case.

>>32049559

> Slim handguard to be replaced with any you want
> End cap to be replaced with stock of your choice

It's a lot easier to sell it as a pistol like that and have the US market install a stock than it is to cut down a longer barrel and thread it.

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>>32045904
>>32049605
I said I wouldn't, but here you go, Chief.

>>32049633
No issue with it being a pistol, the lower receiver and metalwork are disgusting

>>32049649
Yea, nah fuck that. For that price I'd go for a Zenith of POF, or hell maybe even take the risk on an Omega. Then I can at least use the money I saved to SBR it and put a can on it, two things that are impossible to do with the HK.

I've actually gotten to handle and shoot a Zenith gun, and they are really quite nice. I've heard some of them can have messy welds, but the one I shot looked fine and ran flawlessly for the several hundred rounds I saw put through it.

>>32045777
H&K isn't about to sell us anything affordably. They hate you and want you to know it.

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>>32049327
Honestly? Supporting PTR is probably the best option, and they don't fund terrorists.

They make a good battle rifle (for $800 it's pretty hard to beat, certainly more affordable than paying collectors prices for a HK91), they make a 7.62x39mm rifle, and they're looking at 9mm (MP5).
Eventually they'll probably start looking at .223 and .300 (though it might take a while).

Otherwise you could have your own built from a custom shop, but it'll probably cost more.

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>>32049264
There we go, just replace the lower with one of your choice, and then get SBR paperwork to cut down the barrel and put on a real silencer (if you want to).

Optionally sell it with original barrel length but without a stock, then it's a pistol.

>>32050343
Looks like PTR is the way to go.

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>>32050369
Seconding PTR. I love mine.

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>>32050343
>>32050369
>>32050421

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>>32050428
I know you already know this, but for anyone that doesn't: that's a Federal Arms FA91, not a PTR.

>>32050343

Apparently before their little financial SNAFU, they were looking into doing an HK93 clone, but after they almost went bankrupt they pulled back and focused on just the 91 series. Now they are looking at doing MP5/94 clones. IIRC they said that if those did well, then they would go back to looking at doing a 93 series gun.

>>32050343
>7.62x39
>With the appropriate 93-size frame
That's not a PTR32. They reuse the larger 91 size frames... Which is the only reason I haven't bought one yet.

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>>32050428
>PTR
>cast receiver

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>>32050931
>new Gwen

This is worse than turkshit MP5s