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well this can only go well...

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Glock: 1/10
Colt: 1/10
Remington: 1/10
Mauser: 1/10
Ruger: 1/10
S&W: 1/10
Walther: 1/10
Winchester: 1/10
FN: 1/10
HK: 1/10
Hi-Point: 10/10

>>32044066
and it begins...

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>>32044066
Well shit, dubs speak the truth. Not like i planned on investing in a meme katanna.

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S&W 10/10
S 10
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W 10
10

/

10

S&W: 9/10
HK: 4/10
Remington: Used to be 8/10 now 4/10
Ruger: 3/10
Glock: 10/10
Walther: 6/10
Colt: 7/10
Sig: 2/10
Hi Point: 2/10
Winchester: 7/10

>>32044193
Have you handled the .45 variant? Whenever i see one, i'm tempted to make that my first handgun.

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>>32044251
Along w/ the M&P .45, I was interested in Remington's R1 Enhanced. What made Remington go down from 8/10 to a 4/10?

>>32044251
Why Ruger and Sig so low???

Only thing I dislike about Ruger is the trigger pull on handguns is fucking retarded.

>>32044312
Can i get a little bit more info about Ruger's triggers?

>>32044322
They're shit

>>32044297
remington qc went down since being bought out

>>32044322
They generally have just a super long pull. I have an sp101... Don't get me wrong, it's a great gun. But that's definitely the one thing I'd fix about it. I bought it because the durability and reliability of a Ruger revolver is god tier, but the triggers make it hard to shoot accurately sometimes.

>>32044338
Wait, who bought them out?
>>32044335
So i'm going to assume the materials used in their triggers is questionable?

>>32044379
Thanks for the info my dude.
>>32044335
>>32044338
>>32044379
I know im going to catch shit for this, but whats w/ all the (You)s?

>>32044407
/k/ has a secret love for Ruger.

And hatred for Remington.

>>32044014
Cz 10/10
Glock 7/10
Taurus 7/10
Remington 8/10
Rock River arms 9/10
IMI 9/10

ALL PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

>>32044420
I noticed that in some past threads. Like i said in the post, be frank and honest.

>>32044422
Trips & dubs checked and keked. I know some of /k/ has high praises for Glock(s). I always been meh in regards, but lately i've been tempted by some of their models.

>>32044422
>Glock
>anything less than 10/10

kys

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Springfield: 8/10
S&W: 10/10
Glock: 9/10
Kahr: 3/10
Beretta: 8/10
Anderson Arms: 7/10
Spikes Tactical: 8/10
DPMS: 6/10
Brownells: 6/10

>>32044014
major, mainstream firearms companies:
>FNH 9/10
>Browning 8/10
>CZ-USA 6/10
>Glock 4/10
>Colt 1/10
>S&W 5/10
>Ruger 7/10
>Winchester 6/10
>HK 4/10
>Taurus 2/10

>>32044312
>why Ruger and Sig so low?
Different guy, but:
>Sig
The Rustening, that price, those shitty chinese optics branded by them for NF-tier prices, that milk-bottle-shaped suppressor
>Ruger
The entire P-series of pistols were pretty bad, and significantly overpriced for what they are. The MkIII is an abject failure. The asking price for an M77, which is a commercial large-ring mauser, is criminal compared to [everybody else that makes a commercial large-ring mauser that's nicer, for less money]. Trigger pulls across the board are SHIIIIIIIT, the Red Label is literally the only shotgun I've ever handled where I went "holy shit this trigger is garbage" and shotguns in general are known for heavy, creepy triggers.

>>32044383
Cerberus bought Remington Arms in I think 2003, then Freedom Group bought Cerberus in I think 2005. So there's 2 shell companies over Remington trying to push a bottom line.

And on top of that they just moved from NY to AL, in the process firing all their skilled workers and hiring a bunch of toothless, uneducated, drunk/methed locals.

>>32044420
>secret
lolno. But yes, we love Ruger for its value and neat ideas, and hate Remington for their jewery and crappy QC.

Ruger 8/10
Remington 5/10 (Older 700 is real nice. New 770 was complete trash.)
Glock 9/10
Bushmaster 8/10
Springfield 8/10

>>32044379
Put in a 10lb hammer spring

Personally, I prefer a 8lb trigger spring; makes SA top tier, but DA is a bit janky (even after a full trigger job and a lot of gun oil) So you might want to keep the 10.

>>32044383
No, good stainless steel, they are just really heavy (can be fixed with a 10 dollah spring pack) and not smooth.

Great in SA, but they suck mechanically in DA

>>32044736
glock grips are shit, trigger is shit

>>32044441
I wouldn't call them secret, but they're true and there's reasons for it.
>love for Ruger
10/22 is Barbie for men that can't afford an AR
Red Label is a nice O/U without costing thousands of dollars
GP100 and SP101 are 95% as nice as a S&W for 75% the price
Blackhawk/Super Blackhawk/Single Six/Single Ten/Vaquero for dat cowboy fantasy and sex appeal
American made
Retard-resistantly strong actions on their pistols, both semi and revolver, there's a reason all the big-bore wildcatters use exclusively Ruger as a base
>hate for Remington
Based in NY for forever, aided and abetted SAFE Act in exchange for clemency, only recently bailed on the state and dicked over *all* their workers in the process
Shitty QC that's lasted over a decade
Prices that're significantly higher than all their competitors for no reason

>>32044995
>P-Series
>Overpriced
Weren't they like $300 new? $350 at most? That's bargin spec.

>MkIII abject failure

lolwut? Fairly popular, accurate, reliable pistol. Only shitty thing about it was the crap they had to add for California compliance.

>M77 criminally overpriced
I'll agree that it's a bit high, but I know of no other American manufacturer who offers a Mauser for less. Winchesters are more expensive and made in Spain or some shit, Zastava is Serbian, CZ is obviously Czech, etc.

Izhmash
10/10

Tula
10/10

Capitalist manufactury of opulent and homosex weapons
0/10

>>32045097
>weren't the P-series going for like $300 new?
At least locally I was seeing NIB P89's and P90's in the $400-430 range. They were within a hundred bux of Glock in the same store, and about $50 more than you could get a NOS S&W 5000-series (which while old designs, are damn good pistols)

>MkIII an abject failure
The MkIII took everything good about the MkII (best-in-class accuracy, best-in-class trigger) and ruined it (cheaper barrels, mag-disconnect safety, worse *and plastic* sights, LCI), while raising the price a hundred dollars. Took them nearly 70 years to fix the chief complaint with the Mk-series, the pants-on-head field stripping, with the MkIV (which is even more expensive than the MkIII was).
>granted, they got a couple things right: 22/45's grip angle, Lite-series factory-threaded guns, drop-free mags on the 22/45
They're popular because of people like me that loved the shit out of the MkII but couldn't find a MkII, and because of people that wanted an easily-suppressed rimfire pistol. If it wasn't a failure they wouldn't have nearly immediately put out the MkIV.

>I'll agree that it's a bit high, but I know of no other American manufacturer who offers a Mauser for less
That's because no other American manufacturer offers a Mauser period. Winchester's guns are either imported from Turkey (Istanbul Silah, SXP and SX3) or made by Miroku in Japan and no other US-based company offers a Mauser period. Also, you can get an M70 base model for cheaper than you can get an M77 Hawkeye base-model, though as you step up to nicer or more specialized guns like the Mountain or Shadow Hunter they do go up a bit in price.

You can get a CZ 550, objectively a better rifle than the M77 that's also generally prettier, for less. You can get an FN commercial mauser, which is pretty much the same as an M77, for significantly less. You can get a BRNO with set triggers for about the same.

>>32045198
And to expand on this:
>go to buds gun shop
>cheapest M70 is https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/90637, $557
>cheapest M77 is https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/2084_36_59_110/products_id/42479/Ruger+Hawkeye+270win+Stainless, $660
>Ruger is nearly $100 more than M70
>also, CZ 557 for $545, more than $100 cheaper than M77 https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/2084_36_63_971/products_id/88340/CZ-USA+CZ+557+Sporter+Bolt+30-06+Springfield+20.5%22

>>32045198
I swear I saw SR-9's going for $400-$450 around the same time, and they were damn good pistols for what they were. Unless your shop was run by Arab Jews I can't see why the P-series was priced that high, but $400 isn't WTF high.

I hadn't heard about MkIII inaccuracy. You can blame the trigger on the magazine disconnect, which again was due to California. They replaced the MkIII with the MkIV after 12 YEARS because they figured out that A: The field strip is indeed asstarded, and B: They can no longer sell the Mk series in California at all, so there's no need to bother with that faggot ass LCI...though I still think they have a magazine disconnect for some reason. Keep in mind they brought out more expensive versions first. A base standard should be like $400 or less.

I'm pretty sure some semi-custom manufacturers have Mausers but they are considerably more expensive. Regardless, the Mauser action is an expensive one to produce, which is why nobody does in this country. You can get a better foreign version for the same or better money but that's a function of cheaper labor. As for base model 70's, I'm pretty sure those are still push feed, though the higher priced ones are CRF.

Hopefully with Trump in office Ruger'll finally lower their goddamned prices though, it pisses me off that a Redhawk costs as much as a Model 629. "Cost of living increase" my ass.

>>32045336
>Hopefully with Trump in office Ruger'll finally lower their goddamned prices though

Wat? That's not how capitalism works anon

>>32045336
>as for base model 70's, I'm pretty sure those are still push feed
No, they're CRF. A push-feed rifle wouldn't be the model 70.

Winchester's push-feed rifle is the XPR, which is also made by Miroku in Japan.

Also, see >>32045330

>>32045330
>Comparing blued to stainless
Anon pls
>CZ 557
Push feed
>>32045363
While you are correct the base model is indeed CRF, Winchester sold a push feed Model 70 (post-'64) for decades. Didn't go back to CRF until, like, 2006. Also, "assembled in Portugal". Cute.

>>32045355
Forgot to answer this
>u can't into capitalism
What I mean is the demand is going to go down due to people not shitting themselves at the prospect of another AWB or the like for the next four years. We should see $500 AR's and $20 bricks of .22 again in due time unless there is a Liberal rush on guns that somehow equals or eclipses the conservative ones.

>>32045336
>$400 for a P-series isn't WTF high
Yes, yes it is. They're literally Taurus-tier pistols in every category but durability.
>I hadn't heard about MkIII inaccuracy
Literally everybody who's had both a MkII and a MkIII says the MkII is more accurate, even after a good trigger job and mag-disconnect delete on the MkIII so you can't blame the trigger. The bores are visibly rougher, the chambers are measurably sloppier (even when comparing a NIB MkIII to a well-used MkII).
>you can blame the trigger on the magazine disconnect
So why doesn't a mag-disconnect delete via bushing swap fix it? It's still longer, still heavier, still grittier.
>they replaced the MkIII with the MkIV after 12 YEARS
And incessant bitching that they didn't fix any of the complaints that were rampant with the Mk1 and Mk2 for 70 fucking years. And as far as pistols go, that's a pretty fucking short run before being replaced.
>so there's no need to bother with that faggot ass LCI
So how is it that the Buckmark, which lacks an LCI, is still california compliant? How is it the Neos, which has a much less obtrusive LCI that doesn't negatively impact the trigger pull or reliability, is still california compliant?
>though I still think they have a magazine disconnect for some reason
They do, though it's just as easy to get rid of as it is on the MkIII.
>keep in mind they brought out more expensive versions first
Nooooot...really. They've already announced they have no intention of making a 22/45 MkIV, which was their real "cost saver" with its polymer frame. Meaning the Target will be the cheapest pistol they produce.

>>32044066
Well, the dubs have spoken, even if it's for a "melanin enriched" gentlemen.

>>32045435
>comparing blued to stainless
Find an M77 of any material in any caliber NIB from an actual retailer and not a sniped auction for at or under $557 then.
>CZ 557 is push feed
whoops

>>32045476
>How do other .22 pistols stay in California
California's gay. And by "gay" I mean that they grandfather those pistols on their list. Ruger couldn't grandfather their MkIII's because they had running updates which would've required requalification with microstamping, which doesn't exist. This is always why we can get Gen 3 Glocks all day and not Gen 4's. Regardless, blatantly homosexual.

>Nooooot...really. They've already announced they have no intention of making a 22/45 MkIV, which was their real "cost saver" with its polymer frame. Meaning the Target will be the cheapest pistol they produce.

https://youtu.be/bMUy8FGU6IA?t=87
Give it a minute

>>32044014
Maliwan 0/10
Jakob 0/10
Bandit 0/10
Vladof 0/10
Hyperion 0/10
Dahl 0/10
Tediore 2/10 (good start, needs more explosions though)

TORGUE TEN OUT OF MOTHERFUCKING TEN YOU STUPID SON OF A FUCKING ASS MONGER (GUITAR SOLO)

>>32044995
>The MkIII is an abject failure.
Yeah, but what does your tard wrangler think about it.
>inb4 "chicken nuggets!"

>>32044297
Oh man, i wish that wasnt airshit, i really do

Colt 9
HK 5.5
Glock 5
SIG 4
Ruger 3
S&W 3
Kimber 2

>>32044193
>implying S&W has been any good since the 90's

HK 9/10
Sig 6/10
Glock 7/10
Freedom Group 1-2/10
Springfield 5/10
Ruger 6/10
FN 9/10
CZ 7/10
Hi-Point 4/10
Beretta 6/10
Colt 7/10

There are literal shit tons more but I don't feel like it. Just do your own reaearch, /k/ is full of subjectively and arbitrarily biased no-gun retards who's myths are just about as bad as fuddlore. Do your own research gather your own data, come to your own conclusions.