Bolt Action Rifles

>>32043393
my guess? countries where already versed with mausers and unwilling to take a chance. also, mauser was THE go to rifles for anyone who could afford them.

>>32043393
Expense, limited manufacturing capability, prior proliferation of Mausers, reliability.

I have a Greek Mannlicher, and while it's smooth as fuck, it's not as good as a Mauser.

Also, several Mannlicher style rifles use stripper clips. The 35m and the 88/05 to name 2.

>>32043393
straight pull is shit

>>32043454
Youre shit anon.

>>32043450
>35m
35m used the Mannlicher magazine until the 43m

>>32043454
Give me one piece of evidence that isn't anecdotal.

>>32044026
You're right, I'm retarded.

>>32043454
The mannlicher shoenauers are turn bolt guns.

But the actions are not as strong as a 98's, need more care and attention, and are not as fast to load.

>>32043393
But enbloc clips are superior to strippers

>>32044750
No, no they aren't. They're a little faster, but they are significantly less reliable, and they lock you into needing another Mannlicher clip to reload.

Hey, what's the best enfield rifle for shooting effectively? With the fewest compromises possible, the best action, the best ergonomics, I don't give a shit about aesthetics. Which rifle outperforms all the rest?

No. 4 Mk I?

Mausers can be rechambered to magnum class calibers without issue. They're stupidly strong, only surpassed by the Arisaka 38/99 (also a Mauser) and later on Weatherby Mark V, which was specifically designed to surpass the Mauser's stupidly high durability.

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Post moar sexy bolt action raifus

>>32044750
Well, full en blocs. Should you ever need to load half of one for whatever reason under stress you might as well give up.

>>32046082
I actually prefer the sights on the No 1 since you can precisely set their elevation.

>>32046082
>shooting effectively

Welp, unless you have cash to burn, you bought a ton at a gun show, or you live in Australia, 303 Enfield is pretty expensive to run.

For the sake of ease of shooting, I'd say get an Ishapore converted to 7.62 NATO

>>32046082
No4 Mk2, with the Mk1 being as good for all intents and purposes.

Absolute best ever? Target converted No4s with heavy, floated barrels and chopped wood, L42 A1s, Enforcers etc Basically anything that was improved and converted to 7.62 post WW2.

>>32046240
Don't you belong on /o/ senpai?

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I suppose the issue is that straight pull actions are just more expensive, and when you need more speed than a Mauser action, you just go semi auto these days.
That said, K31 a sexy.

>>32046184
>sporterized
>sexy

Yeah that's never happened.

One noob question.

When shooting the same cartridge, will stronger action result in higher durability? It seems like it should, but I'm not sure.

>>32048464
Maybe?
It depends on the cartridge.
But as far as I understand its either safe or its not.

Like a lee enfield may be able to handle 7mm magnum but not for very long, so its assumed that it should never be tried because sooner rather than later a catastrophic failure will happen.

>>32048294
If the tooling, economy of scale etc, was set up I think it would be cheaper. No gas system or recoil system.

Straight pulls really dont have a huge advantage over boltguns, other than ease of use.

But what advantages boltguns have over semiautos are the same thay Straightpulls would have over semis.

>>32043393
>Recently, I've been wondering why Mannlicher actions went on the wayside and Mauser actions took over.
To put it simply, it's the same reason why Mauser actions were all over the world and now considered "the" bolt action rifle. It had little to do with how Mannlicher actions performed over Mausers, and had more to do with the marketing of Mauser and DWM. There are tons of better actions out there, but no one could compete with their marketing.

>>32048294
Why weren't straight pulls more common? Was a straight pull action inherently weaker than something like a Mauser?

>>32049863
No, the M95 is very, very strong. Plus action strength isn't as big of a deal as a lot of /k/ seems to think. It's mostly a hold over from the old turn bolt single shots. The less you have to retrain soldiers on, the better. It's why many semi autos have a charging handle placement similar to the AK...because that's where you'd manipulate the action on a bolt action rifle.

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>>32049863

I don't know about reliability but speed is a hot topic when it comes to straight bolt guns. I think straight-pulls takes a bit longer to cycle than a normal bolt.

Think about it. For a normal bolt, you shoot, quickly find the large round bolt with your palms, pull it up and back, then push it forward again and down, and by this point your hand is already in position to shoot again.

For straight pull, you shoot, you have to find your hand to the bolt, grab/pinch it, slide it back and forward, and then let go of the bolt, and then you have to manually put your hand back into the shooting grip.

Which is faster? You decide.

I think that the Swiss, like many of their other over-engineered inventions, thought too much about something and as a result solved a problem that never existed in the first place.

The normal bolt is fine, seeing how almost everyone else kept the standard bolt.

>>32049936
Alex pls go

Pulling the trigger with your middle finger is in no way practical, no matter how "fast" it may seem.

>>32049936
Straight pull is 2 movements, back and forth

Turn bolt is 4, up, back, forward, down

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>>32049982

I didn't mention shooting with a middle finger, but okay.

The typical argument for the straight pull is its speed (all quiet on its action strength, reliability, et cetera...) and if that is all they care about, let's see them beat an Enfield "mad minute" with the clumsy straight pull.

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>>32049936
That's got as much to do with the geometry of the bolt handle as anything else.

Biathlon guys loooooove their straight-pulls.

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>>32050000

But you're forgetting that the straight pull requires more hand movement off the bolt.

At first I thought the straight pull is naturally more faster (WOW ONLY 2 MOVEMENTS!!!) but it's not the case.

>>32050017
Bro

The Enfield "mad minute" is only possible if you don't ever actually get a proper grip on your rifle, and shoot with your middle finger instead.

>>32050031

Eh but it's a .22 (?) rifle. If you can easily pull it back with a finger of course straight pull is better.

>>32050049
Have you never handled a K31, or a Steyr?

It takes very little force to open the bolts on either. Smooth as fucking butter.

>>32050043

That's what I'm saying. The whole "who's faster" argument is dumb, and that's all the k31 fans talk about.

I think the more warranted good things about that gun is its accuracy, and I don't think that has to do with it being a straight pull rifle.

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>>32050067

Again, my main point is that the straight pull is magic during the back-forward action, the problem comes when you have to locate your hands...

just see what I say here again >>32049936

>>32050084
I don't like the bolt handle placement on the K31, but that's just me.

>>32050101
Which has everything to do with the geometry of the bolt handle and grip, and less to do with the movement you're making.

Turn bolt is faster with a traditional rifle grip.

Straight pull is faster with a true pistol grip.

Is this acceptable to you?

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>>32050101

My solution for the straight pull bolt's problem is to make the handle larger, and have it sticking out lower (not pointing straight out) so it is more natural for the shooter's hands and the cycling motion.

>>32050126

Okay the action itself might be "fine" but what's the point if it doesn't make a good team with your hands?

>>32050106

Hey at least we agree with something. Do you like my idea here? >>32050130

>>32050161
>>32050126

Also, yes, I think that straight pull is more at home with a pistol-grip, I guess.

>>32050130
>>32050161
Yeah, that'd work. Pity there's no such thing as an affordable new production straight-pull out there. You've got a choice between ancient milsurp in special-snowflake calibers, or expensive as fuck Euro guns with sketchy actions and tiny magazines.

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>>32050198

I just with there was more types of bolts outside the straight and standard bolt design. Make things more interesting.

Anyways, if you want to know my favorite action is the falling block. It pumps blood into my dong like no other action out there. Not saying it's the best but they are fun.

>>32050039
Don't argue with quads my dude

>>32050228
That's a rolling block.

Martini-Henry is a falling block.

>>32050101
Are these all being thrown away or destroyed, or are these being refurbished or what

I'd actually seriously fucking cry if that many perfectly good K31s were destroyed

>>32046184
I thought you said you wanted people to post sexy rifles.

>>32050101
WTF is this? All of those rifles are in great condition!

>>32050399
>>32050479

People that don't want their guns can turn it in; most of them get crushed.

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>>32050101
>>32050555

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Is this a good deal /k/ ?

http://ingunowners.com/forums/long-guns-rifles-shotguns/425958-mauser-k-98-byf-8x57mm-crown-point-%24350.html

Been wanting a Mauser for awhile, also why doesn't it have a bent bolt?

>>32050736
Sure if the bore is good.
Idk about the bolt, maybe it was a retrofit.

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>>32050555

>>32050399
look closer, most of them are K11s, not 31s.