Let's say you go hiking and notice a hungry bear approaching

>>32039893
Magdump into chest (heart lungs). If you only carry +1 magazies inna woods that's your own damn fault.

No. 44mag, 10meme, 45-70, 12g slugs

>>32039893
My mom's friend knows him.

>>32039918
And this is why all my firearms are bear-rated.
>.44mag levergun
>12ga shotgun
>10mm pistol
>nugget

How did they kill bears before guns were invented?

>>32040366
Large spears and heavy casualties.

>>32039893
I've never understood this. Surely a few 9mm to the brain would kill it? It's only a fucking animal so if you destroy its brain then you should be good shouldn't you? I think the "9mm does nothing to bears" shit is a meme.

>>32040416
Yes, to the brain it will. Unfortunately, there's a skull in the way.

>>32040416
Bear skulls are literally armored. 9mm will just bounce off.

>>32039893
Inna woods and hope to god that a majority of the 32 9milly find a cozy home. Assuming i don't shit my self and get a clean reload.

ur benisd

But in all seriousness if you are using fmjs you have a fighting chance. You just need to pierce the heart lungs and hope it bleeds out enough to not maul you or penetrate the skull. I've heard of rounds bouncing off grizzlies' skulls. Not sure if fuddlore or not.

Bottom line is that I wouldn't want to find out.

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>>32040366
Memes

>>32040454
And yes I'm aware firearms had existed for centuries before that pic. inb4 someone takes my shitpost seriously

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>>32039893
>9mm
>147 grains

That's usually subsonic ammo, OP. That would fuck you even more. 10mm is not even recomended for Grizzlies.

Get a 240 grains bullet at least!!!

>>32039893
None of the above, I take off my clothes and display my erection to the bear.

>implying bear is hungry for food
>implying I won't dive head-first into it's anus and rape it from the inside out if it is
>implying I don't regularly prowl around in the woods for this very purpose

>>32040269
op here.
i bet he was a hillary supporter huh. im sure he believes in guns now.

>>32040479
lol op here again,
I'm not as brave as you are, the biggest i go are goats.

>>32040468
op here yet again, i don't have money for a new gun right now, certainly no the USP i am drooling over. I could always borrow my friends AK but still, wouldn't come close to 250 grain..

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>>32040416
I remember asking my Vietnam vet uncle if he ever got scared. He said sure, but the scariest thing that ever happened to him didn't happen in Vietnam. It happened in Alaska.
He was bear hunting with a war buddy of his who had property in Alaska, they were specifically looking for big grizzly bears to have stuffed and mounted or get a skin. They went out and searched for a whole week, and nothing but smaller bears. They were tempted to remov bear but they wanted a really big one so they killed a deer and went on thier way after prepping it
My uncle had a 30-30 and his friend hunted with a 44mag lever action. As they took the deer meat back to his cabin, they noticed they were being stalked by a very large grizzly, and it didn't charge till my uncle's friend shot at it.
44mag hit it in the shoulder flank as it barred towards them, and my uncle fired three shots of 30-30 into ITS FUCKING FACE and saw the bullets tear flesh and ricochet off its sloped skull.
Eventually 44 mag and 30-30 dropped it but only ten feet away from the two of them who had been steadily moving backwards and firing into the bear.
Don't fuck with bears.

>>32040454

Most definitely is not Siberian bear armor. That's an art display in Houston, TX that satirizes a Germanic "Wildman" tradition from the 15-19th century of celebrating springs coming. Men would dress up in silly outfits and prance about like animals.

>>32040513
Deer are basically goats if you squint, and elk are basically deer but bigger.

Giraffes? Tall deer. Use a stepladder.

>>32040492
I thought he was scouting an area for deer or some shit and the bear attacked him and it just didn't occur to him to carry that day

>>32040366
bear spear and dogs

>>32040492
He did carry you stupid nigger.
>>32040565
He didn't get the chance to draw before the bear was on him so he opted for the mace he already had closer by. For some retarded reason he had his gat strapped to his backpack inna holster.

The second time the bear attacked him the gun was teared from the backpack and ended up a couple of feet away from him.

>>32040526
An AK will fuck up a bear pretty good. A guy recently killed a bear with one (the guy had the AK, not the bear). I'd still probably use bear spray if I didn't have a .45-70.

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I'd feel completely comfortable dumping 8 rounds of .357 mag into a grizzly.

>>32040579
Just keep in mind your trip is over once you use bear spray because it's a smellable and will draw more bears to you.

>>32040548
>Men would dress up in silly outfits and prance about like animals.
I love my Germanic heritage because it's full of weird shit like this.

>the people who stopped Rome from invading their sacred forests were furfaggots

>>32040587
>RIP

>>32040668
Yeah RIP that poor grizzly full of bonded jacketed hollow points

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>>32040535
>ricocheted off its sloped skull
>dropped ten feet away

Mfw I was just making fun of my dad for wanting a bear gun for fly fishing

>>32039893

>a bear

A bear is anything from a harmless 1 lb newborn, to a 1,500+ lb hungry killing machine that is starving for food and doesn't care what it has to do to fill its stomach.

To answer your question: don't bother if it's over 400 lbs
Especially if you've got hollow points.

>def. not gonna let it come within the reach of even gayer bear pepper spray which i wouldnt use either.
Bear spray is statistically the most effective and safest way to stop a bear attack.

>>32040712
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK609rbSBLs

^ bear spray

>>32040726

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_spray#Effectiveness
https://www.outsideonline.com/1899301/shoot-or-spray-best-way-stop-charging-bear
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/bear_cougar/bear/files/JWM_BearSprayAlaska.pdf
https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/bear%20spray.pdf

Bear spray > firearms

>>32039893
If it's brown, climb a tree and call for help. If it's black, make noise and make yourself look big, if it charges, put as many shots as fast as you can into center mass.

DON'T shoot for the head with a 9mm, bear skulls are thick and steeply sloped and that will likely cause your shots to skip off without causing terminal damage if you manage to hit the smaller and quickly moving target in the first place.

A 500 magnum or .44 magnum +P would be what most consider adequate rounds for brown bear protection.

>>32040712
>>def. not gonna let it come within the reach of even gayer bear pepper spray which i wouldnt use either.
>Bear spray is statistically the most effective and safest way to stop a bear attack.

Only if you're already being attacked by it and are inches away from its face. However, if the goal is to prevent the attack, then the best course of action is to kill it.

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>>32040726

>>32040743 is right. even though that video is gnarly, bear spray is statistically proven to work more effectively. But you know, why not have both.

>>32040577
why would he have his gat in backpack in holster in bear country...

When shooting long distance, should I be pulling the trigger back into my shoulder, or pulling trigger back into my hand?

You can put pressure on trigger with the backstop being shoulder or hand, that's the question. (pistol grip)

>>32040824
>>>32040743 is right. even though that video is gnarly, bear spray is statistically proven to work more effectively. But you know, why not have both.
Hmmm, I wonder what would be the ATF's ruling on mounting a can of bear mace on a rifle.... probably legal, right?

>>32040782

Nope.
See
>>32040743

>>32040877
Send a letter and we'll see.

>>32040416

Bears can still function long enough to kill you without a head, they're like chickens.

>>32040929
Nah man, these are rattlesnakes.

>>32040743
>no breakdown of firearm usage by training level or caliber
Wow, it's fucking nothing. Of course bear spray is going to work better than a .22lr or a .380.

>>32039893
aim for and magdump into the face/eyes?

also,

>lol 9mm

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>>32040877
>>32040929
If someone has shoop skills I think id be hilarious to see a full size bear oc spray mounted to a pic rail.

>>32040548
I like this even better. Thanks for the info, Anon.

>>32041022
sorry >>32040929
meant for >>32040924

>>32040967

>seriously implying anyone tries to defend themselves from bears with a .22 in any statistically significant numbers
>being buttmad that bear spray massively outperforms guns at the task it was literally designed to do

>>32041082

Does it kill the bear? No? Then it hasn't outperformed shit.

>>32041002
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_spray#Effectiveness
like i said, i am eyeing an usp but can't afford it, so for now I'm stuck with 9mm. Gotta wait for my tax return :|

>>32040844
On the backpack, but as I said. Still fucking retarded.

>>32040844
To promote darwinism methinks

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I keep a couple magazines specifically loaded for bears.

>135gr ~1800fps 10mm to the skull

>>32040710
its like you want your old man to die

OP, just save up like $200, buy a cheap used Mossy 500 and load it up with 3' magnum slugs. I wouldn't rely on a 9mm to do jack shit to a large grizzly.

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I took out a brown bear with a .22. I scoped it right in the eye socket straight into its brain. The bullet then ricocheted in its brain for a good 5 minutes and scrambled them.

>>32039893
To clarify for people... The guy had a pistol. He used every bear defense technique before trying to resort to his pistol. Starting with mace and then resorting to fetal position. His gun was seperated from him the first or second time he was attacked that day.
>weapons are only meaningful defense against bears.

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>>32040416
I read a story some time ago in a gun mag about a hunter and guide in Alaska who were headed back to their cabin. A short distance away, the notice a grizzly taking an interest in them. Depite both carrying big game rifles (.375s, I think) and large caliber revolvers, they opted to make a run for the cabin. They won the footrace, but the bear decided to come in anyway. Took all of the rounds they had in the rifles and most of what they had in the handguns to put him down, and it was still alive when the guide shot it in the back of the head with a .44 to put an end to it. So eight or ten rounds of .375 H&H, plus a decent handful of large Magnums on top of it. bears are tough fuckers.
Also, the have dangerous frinds. Pic related.

>>32039893
9mm is ineffective, 10mm is marginally effective.

If you hit the bones, they will deflect the bullet. If you hit the fat, it'll absorb them.

>>32041986
Underrated post.

I'd run towards it in hopes of dying quicker.

>>32041916
op here. thanks :)

>>32040454

I want to put this on and form tackle hobos.

>>32040647
GOTT MIT UNS, YIFFER

>>32040696

This is probably the worst thing you could use. When hollow points expand they rapidly slow down and stop (preventing over penetration on things like people). On a huge chunks of thick skin and muscle (like a brown bear), you will never penetrate past it to reach vital organs (heart and/or lungs).

>tl;dr six rounds of .357mag hollowpoints out of a revolver will just make flesh wounds in a big bear and result in you being eaten.

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>>32041307
are you alive and in one piece rather than pissing off an already pissed of baloo?

10mm isn't really a bear cartridge /k/omandos... But if a 9mm is all you got you will want to use 147 or 158gr FMJ rounds as UNDER penetration is much more likely going to be your problem with a bear. As they say "If you know you are going to need a gun, bring a soulder weapon."

>>32042958
I've got no problem with this except for the last part
>As they say "If you know you are going to need a gun, bring a soulder weapon."

Homie I already hiked like 5 miles with full fishing equipment, beer, camping shit, and food. I am not bringing the ar too.

With a quad then, yeah no problem blowing that big brown cocksucker away.

Just choke the bears, you idiots

>>32040631
Wait Is that really a thing?

>>32039893
my plan is to go armed but let the bear live if i can help it so he'll eat some gunless rei shopping hippie later

>>32043003
you could probably cut back on the burgers and fit in an ar no problem. it's like fatass 300lb motocrossers trying to save 5 ounces on skidplate options.

>>32043491
>Bear forced at gunpoint to eat vegan hiker by 'quiet loner', more at eleven

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>>32041022
?

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>>32043673
small edit that fixes things I fucked up

>>32043509
My burger intake is perfectly fine anon. Innawoods to fish I dont WANT to carry my ar, super autist.

Its a practicality thing, I'm not out to hunt bears, I need something to defend my self from said bears in the 1/1000 chance yogi decides to fuck my shit up .
>muh burgers
Try and think a little harder next time before jumping to the memes fur lulz

>>32043673
>>32043743
kek
>"baloo buster 5000"
"nigger-get-back weapons platform"
Couldn't have asked for better haha. I've been chuckling to my self all day about this

wasnt there an incident about a man in alaska that killed a grizzly with a 45acp hi point?

bears are tough, but to say that a piece of metal traveling near the speed of sound is just going to "bounce" off their skull is just retardation

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>all these niggas recommending pistols

The bear is very unlikely to stalk you. They are not hyper predators or something like that. When a bear postures itself to fight most of the time it actually doesn't and just wants to scare you off, and even when they charge it's just a scare tactic.

Even when they are with their cubs they will want to scare you off before fighting. Bears are not stupid and understand risk. They are curious as hell too.

Learn about bears and stop being cunts.

>>32044186
>They are curious as hell too.
Related. Black bear just wants to say hi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jRTrRxamxQ

Nah. Here's a video of a bear getting killed with 9mm Mak. Albeit at point blank

https://youtu.be/tM2ifggeH0Q

Could 7x57 Mauser be used effectively?

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1953, Slave Lake, AB.

Bella Twin and her friend were out grouse hunting when they noticed they were being stalked by a very large Grizzly. Knowing they couldn't outrun the bear, they sat down quietly at the edge of a cut line and waited for it to get closer. Armed with a Stevens single shot and .22 Long ammo, Bella either shot the bear in the eye or made it stand up and then put one through the roof of its mouth. When the bear dropped, she put 7-8 more rounds into its skull at point blank range just to be sure.

The bear ended up being a world record at the time.

>>32040710
You're a nigger of a son.

>>32039893
lmfao this cuck, i got fb raged on because i gave him shit.

m8 all your guns should be able to kill a bear if you go innabearwoods

>.308 scout rifle
>12ga shotgun
>fuckin saiga with multiple mags

i dont have a handgun for bears tho....unless you count my glock 19 with 21round extendo pad, and 6 extra mags...

>>32040696
i thought you were supposed to use full metal jackets against bears since you need the penetration to get anywhere

Hospice?>>32040416
I once put 3 9mm hollow points into the skull of a 20lb (guestimating) raccoon. It took forever to die and kept chasing me trying to bite and claw me. True story

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>>32040710
dude bears are fucking serious.

unless you are properly prepared, it is unwise to engage bear...and by properly prepared i mean something big, like slugs or sabots or .308 or .45-70, or .375 h&h

>>32040366
They would sharpen the soak seal bones in boiling water until they were soft. They would then ball up the seal bones and wrap them in seal meat. The bear would eat the meat then the bones would dry out and expand getting stuck in their insides. They would then just track them until they died

>>32040967

How much trigger time do you have on a .44 magnum or larger handgun?

If you aren't a crack shot with one personally, shouldn't you consider bear spray?

>>32044902
*then soak

unless youre actualy hunting for a bear isnt it statistically far more effective to use bear spray? even then i would carry a proper firearm but from what ive read it seems like the spray is superior

>>32044138
Where can I even find a lever nugget?

>>32041307
Goal is to not get hurt anon

>>32040535
That sounds almost like my dad, funny enough. Without him being a vet and actually shooting it.

>My dad
>Goes on a bear hunting trip with his relative and friends
>Hiking one day
>Suddenly, bear cubs
>ohfuck.jpeg
>Dad pulls out .44
>Doesn't want to shoot the mom, but this is the law of the land
>Luckily, the cubs wander away and the mom doesn't view the hunting party as a threat

He told me the best place to aim at a bear is the shoulder so it can break it. He also thinks that pepper spray is bullshit.

>>32039893
NO HOLLOW POINTS

YOU WANT MAXIMUM PENETRATION

9mm Fmj will through a bear skull adequately, there are better calibers but If 9mm is all you have It can work. Recoil impulse and capacity are at your advantage

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>>32044256
I knew it was coming but the guy's 'holy shit' at the end still killed me

>>32039893
>9mm
>bear
I mean, if you're lucky as fuck or stone cold amazingly skilled to put it into its brain through opennings in a skull of a moving target, then sure?

>>32040366
In teams? Or just a person who really knoes what he was doing?

>>32040416
Outside of hitting a very determined human in their central nervous center such as the brain and spine, you start to realize they can still function for a bit.

Now give that person a few hundred pounds of thicker fur/skin and dense muscle and fat with thicker bones. Also make their skulls more thick and sloped. Now throw them into an environment where they have be more aggressive with their will to survive. Lastly, take out the equation that they know what a gun or being shot is and all the learned implications that comes with that.

Have fun.

>>32043819
Go and try then. Nothings stopping you.

>>32044256
That was adorable in a way I was hoping guy will pet him

>>32040696
you know you can buy bear loads at your lgs, right?

>>32039893

I've personally been charged by a bear and sprayed it... in montana in 2004. I carried a .44 S&W 329PD as well but that was because I was archery hunting off of horses and was worried about not being able to fend off wolves if they attacked the horses. If I had shot the bear I don't think it would have stopped her, but the spray knocked her on her ass and sent her packing.

>>32042169
Isn't 45-70 as good at killing bears because it's a relatively slow, but heavy round that will penetrate the shit out of anything, breaking bones in the way because it stays intact whilst modern high speed ammo will disintegrate / deform and not penetrate as deeply?

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>>32040710

Go apologize. You just made fun of him for wanting to deal with Mother Nature's MBT of choice with nothing more than an aluminum and plastic rod.

>>32044495
Bear was depressed. Obvious suicide by cop.

>>32040526
AK would be my prefered innawoods gun:

>will kill anything dead
>fast follow up shots in case I shat myself and miss
>30rds of death

if you have to go with the sigp226, don't bother with hollow points. go with quality ball ammo. you'll need the penetration.

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>>32044186
>They are curious as hell too.

and here is the problem mate. a responsible /k/unt will carry spray AND an adequate gun, something like a G20 in 10mm or a revolver in 44Mag.

>>32039893
You think bear spray is gayer than curling into a ball? Where are you from, boy?

>>32044495
>Nah. Here's a video of a bear getting killed with 9mm Mak. Albeit at point blank


total absolute travesty of incompetence? why do this? why not collect your dogs and fuck off?

>>32040366
1-get big knife
2-man the fuck up
3-stab bear dick
4-have sex with its wife

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>>32046807
>>32040366
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_spear

>>32040871
Finger should be the only thing moving.

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>>32039893

Don't use hollow points. Best 9mm you can use short of +p+ hardcast. Is 147gr fmj flatnose, most stuff you find is rated to 1000fps. If you can find better than that, use it.

You want penetration. If your not pushing magnum level energy you don't want expansion.

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>>32047965
Also

>>32039893
9mm +p, +p+, major.

I carry Corbon right now, might start loading more major. Was using hs6 with 124g xtps

>>32047965
>+p+ hardcast
as if that is somehow harder than FMJ military ball ammo

>flatnose

BUAUAUABAAAA. Muh sides. enjoy being bearshit soon.

>>32043819
It happens. I've shot computers with 9mm fmj, had them catch it.


22lr can deflect off wabbits, sneks.

If you want to stretch the wounding capabilties of a catridge, HEI bullets are probably the way to go.

>>32048046
You poor misinformed fool. Both FMJ and hardcast will deform to a degree. The difference being hardcast won't shed it's jacket. FMJ might.

As for shape, fudd lore says flatnose is less likely to glance off. Reality is it penetrates straighter in tissue than round nose.

>>32047977
Pocket pistol 9mm bear kill. He was using 147gr hardcast flatnose +p. With the short barrel and small Magazine it's really quite impressive. I personally carry a 45/70 marlin.

>>32048083
>Both FMJ and hardcast will deform to a degree.

sure

>The difference being hardcast won't shed it's jacket. FMJ might.

FMJ means the ass end is jacketed too for me, if you have one of those burrets with lead showing on the ass then yeah, you might be right.

>As for shape, fudd lore says flatnose is less likely to glance off. Reality is it penetrates straighter in tissue than round nose.

another reality is that p226s have feeding issues with flatnose burrets, especially with those that are basically a lead cylinder.

>>32048106
Try not owning a shit gun. Also what you have is TMJ

>>32048113
>Try not owning a shit gun.
I don't but OP has a SIG P226. would suck getting eaten because your SIG failed to feed.

>>32039893
All I know is that it took about 20 rounds from a black powder musket to take down the average North American Grizzly according to lewis and Clark, so maybe you should pack a little fucking heat.

>>32048130
>All I know is that it took about 20 rounds from a black powder musket

What? sauce?

>>32048121
You don't own one?
Well fuck, instead of pulling bullshit out of your ass in a desperate attempt to be right. Why don't you let OP test what is objectively the best 9mm round for wildlife defense?

>>32048142
Do I need to atm own every gun I dare to voice an opinion about on a chinese cartoon board? I've owned Sigs, they are only marginally better (just enough so you can tell them apart) made than CZs.

>>32043491
OP here :) i like that idea very much.

>>32046784
OP here.
from Poland bro. We don't curl into fucking balls, we charge tanks on horsebacks with swords.

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>>32043743
I can't tell if this is neat or not, anyone else figure?

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>>32048142
op here.
i don't want to go out of my way to test anything, just be prepared if need be. My sig never failed to feed, i shot tons of ammo through it, 2k+ roundsn, steel, aluminum, tula, not one issue with it. pic related :)
thanks to all of you guys for help

>>32048610
Go with the heaviest hottest FMJ you have and know to be reliable. Hollow points are for humans.

>>32040416
>>32040433
>>32040422
that's why you use .22 it will penetrate then bounce around inside the skull

>>32044902
How the fuck do you know this

>>32048586
I think it's kinda cool. Maybe you should too.
But hey I'm just anon, you can make your own decisions.

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>>32039893
Retreating is the stupidest fucking thing you can do against a bear, I would do what I did before when I encountered a bear.

I shoot into the air and scream at it, bear booked it out of there. If it decided to charge me I would pump its chest area full of lead.

Never retreat from a bear it just shows you are prey.

>>32040492
He was out with a gun and bear spray looking for deer or actually hunting. He also lives in Montana which isn't a no guns kinda state.

>>32049565
Where in Montana? I live in Montana and I don't remember hearing about him in the local news.

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Saiga 12 and pic related best option

I say we remove bearbab

I'm thinking of selling my G20 and replacing it with a USP in .45 so I can run a more common cartridge and have the option of .45 super innawoods, a double action .44 mag revolver (undecided as to which, since Ruger has dumb action work in the Redhawk, the super redhawk is ugly as fuck, and the model 29 is weaker), a Beretta 1301 that I could fill with slugs, or maybe a Tikka T3x in .300 win mag or something

>>32040587
The only load that I would even consider would be extremely heavy 180gr lead

>>32041458
Wouldn't 200gr hard cast be better than that unless you're using meme ammo like copper slugs

>>32046799
>he missed the description where it literally says police responded because it had attacked someone already

>>32046721
I've wanted an AK setup for innawoods animal defense

>>32044902
thats fucking badass.
likes its a shitty way for something to die but at least you aren't going to get mauled

>>32049565
No bro, he said himself he had bear spray, sprayed it... and no fucks were given by the bear.

It was one of those instances where the "bear spray always works" argument got shot to shit and then pissed on. It might have annoyed the bear enough to not stay with the attack long enough to kill the guy though. who knows...

>>32049565
>>In the video, Orr described spraying “the sh*t out of her with bear spray” in an attempt to prevent the attack, but the angered bear didn’t react to the spray.

>>In a post that accompanied the video, Orr said the charging bear ran through the cloud of orange mist and tackled him to the ground.

I'm not always out in bear country, but when I am, I've got bear spray AND a gun.

>>32043509
>stop bein fat an carry all your guns xDDDD
Confirmed for autistic shut-in or """camper""" who doesn't actually make a camp.