which is the better handgun maker between sig, glock and H&K?

>>32036601
>Walther

Out of those three?
Hk
Sig
Glock

HK is top. Sig is probably #2, but when they have problems, the guns totally fail. When Glocks have problems, you just get a sprinkler pattern ejection of brass. A problematic Glock doesn't fall into pieces while you are shooting it.

>>32036764
Pretty much. Glocks are nothing spectacular, but they'll do their job right the vast majority of the time.

>>32036601

Browning

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Beretta.

>>32036965
kek

>>32036977

Berettas are great if you

1) never want to use the safety
2) maybe want to use a suppressor sometime, they're a great platform
3) are using it for dedicated HD and never want to carry it
4) have a .mil hardon
5) got issued it and your rifle is busted and you have literally no other options

Just going to post all of their greatest strengths

>Glock
>the 19 being the most size efficient 15+1 9mm with large aftermarket

>Sig
>amazing DA trigger and ergonomics

>HK
>LEM

>>32036601
HK. Supposedly the people at Federal use a .45 caliber USP to test their ammo, and have put like 300,000 rounds through one.

>>32036601
it's probably between glock and hk. sig's best guns are the sp2022 and the 226 but other than that they're pretty much meh. glocks are nice and square but rather boring and hk's are too fucking expensive. again, i don't care for the new ergo pc approved hks. their best guns were the usp and the mark 23, don't care for any of their other ones.

>>32037126
>sig's best guns are the sp2022 and the 226
>sp2022

That's a budget Sig. The P320 and the 229 is more like it.

>>32037006

The 92/M9 is perfectly fine as an EDC weapon. There's no reason it has to be a dedicated HD weapon unless you're fucking weak and can't carry all metal guns.

>>32037481
Budget doesn't necessarily mean bad. It's a fantastic gun.

>>32037482
its huge and im not some fat as fatass that can conceal carry a 92fs

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>>32037502
>It's a fantastic gun.

Not going against that but it's a poor man's P226.

>>32037514
So your complaint is that it's a fantastic gun that's cheaper than the P226? Ok...

>>32037529
>little to no aftermarket
>$40 magazines
>P226 does everything better in every single way
>made for budget oriented law enforcement agencies

Cool, you watched the Colion Noir video on it and now you're "in on the secret". The P320 is miles better than the SP2022 will ever hope to be.

>>32037514
An even better poor man's 226 is an Arex. It's basically a 226 clone for half the price.

>>32037566
plus dugan did a video on the p320 so thats enough reason to buy one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZTRjXD7AVU

>>32036601
H&K. Anyone saying otherwise is a cheap poorfag who's just jealous.

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>>32037006
I cc a Beretta all the fucking time, a Brig Tac at that. You're a fucking homo.

>>32039148
nice sweater senpai

>>32036965
Holy fuck. I'd own a Taurus before a Beretta. Wait, is this bait?

>>32036965
/thread

>>32039314
>>>
Gracias anon.

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I like all 3. They each have pros and cons.

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>>32036601
Beretta

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>>32039383
>is this bait?
said the baiter

>>32039148
>wilson beretta

top taste anon

>>32036601
They all do the same thing.

HK > Glock > Sig

HK builds higher quality guns with few QC issues being reported. Glocks also are pretty good at keeping tight manufacturing tolerances (tolerance = limiting variation from actual specs). Though you will hear a few issues with certain Glock models.

Sigs QC has been kinda spotty if you look go back 10 years til now. I don't know if this is due to them having a thousand different color variations for one specific model or what. I don't think you can even blame it on the Exeter, NH Sigs as a few of mine have been flawless while others not so much.

>>32036601
It depends on what you wan the pistol to do, desu.

Buy Sig is you want silky smooth action with DA/SA and don't mind the extra muzzle flip that comes with a higher bore axis.

Buy HK if you want the refinement of german engineering and don't mind the extra weight and price tag that comes with that.

Buy Glock if you want functionality and light weight and don't mind the fact that it wasn't designed to fit like putty into everyone's hands or to look especially nice.

If you want a pistol that will put holes in bad guys assuming you can do your part, they're all entirely adequate.

>>32037482
>Powerstroke to clear malfunction
>Accidentally flip on slide mounted safety
>suddenly no bang when bang is required

>>32040581
2x for Sig.

I own a Swiss issue 228 that was brought in back in like 06. It's German made and a really fucking great pistol all around. My friend bought one of those Exeter 228s that came out a year or so ago and I compared the quality. Not even close. The trigger felt like I was breaking crackers, the slide felt like it was riding on sand paper. The decocker felt like a safety off of an Enfield.

It was shit.

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Sig wins for trigger if it's an SRT...but you take the risk of getting a US built lemon.

HK is great but bigger and generally a bit more expensive.

Glock is mediocre in every category but good enough and generally has few problems.

Buy all of them is the best answer.

>>32036601
Hk best barrel
Sig most gayest
Glock best when full of mud.

So depends on if you want have shit on your dick or in your gun or neither I guess.
DESU I don't like anything anymore though, they all suck, vp9 falls apart, fails. Hk trigger sucks, Glocks aren't perfect.
I'm going to just start carrying a stick around instead.

>>32036601
Glock has the best machining and finishes between the three, by leaps and bounds.

Glock owner here. Sig....

>>32037514
I'd rather have a p250

>>32043831
I own the P320C but I would be lying if I said I'm not interested in the P250.

>>32036601
HK by far followed by Glock and then SIG.

>>32043795
Sig owner here, feeling fabulously silly now that I have that cute anchor.

>>32043912
Who did you vote for?

>>32037566
I have no idea what Colion Noir is. But I have an SP2022, P226, and a P239 and have put more than a thousand rounds through each.

>P226 does everything better in every single way
It costs 2-3x as much, it goddamn well ought to be better. That said, the difference mostly finish quality and the trigger. You pay a lot for the aluminum frame and HURR NAVY SEAL GUN on the 226. The SP2022 is just as reliable and nearly as accurate (still more than most shooters are capable of), and the ergonomics are better than the non-E2 P226 models. The P226 has probably the best trigger of any mass-produced handgun on the market, but the SP2022's trigger is still very good and beats the hell out of Glock, S&W, and pretty much everything else in its price range.

>little to no aftermarket
Is it a tool or a toy?

>$40 magazines
So are P226 mags. For that matter, so are the ones for the P320 that you love so much. For $950 you can get a P226 with two mags or an SP2022 with 15 mags.

>made for budget oriented law enforcement agencies
In other words, it's designed to get the job done without being extravagant. I don't see how that's a problem.

>The P320 is miles better than the SP2022 will ever hope to be.
What's that have to do with anything? We were talking about the P226. Nobody said there was anything wrong with the P320. Are you insecure about your purchase?

>>32036601

Glock if you're not one of those people who like to overpay for magic German/Swiss fairy dust sprinkled on the pistolas.

Look man, I've owned 3 sigs, 6 Glocks and 3 HK's. I buy and trade and have been doing it for a while..

>Glock
On paper the Glock is the best. It's thin, no beaver tail or wonky protrusions, holds 15 rounds (g19) in a pretty small package and is as reliable as you can get. The theoretical accuracy (accuracy while clamped in a vice on a bench) is great and it does much better than the Sig p-series when dirty. It also has polygonal rifling and comes in cheaper. So, strictly by the "specs" Glock is a better choice than the Sig and at least as good of a choice as the HK.

>Sig
They have great triggers. The grips tend to be fat which is better for me. They feel good to shoot. The biggest downside is that Sigs are... Sigs. Also, the p-229 is very thick for conceal carry and you have to use special grease to avoid wear. The p-series also do not do well dirty but for me this is a non-issue as I maintain the guns. The x-ray sights (come on the Legion) are probably the best 3-dot night sights ever made. The p250 had a high bore axis which got ported over to the 320 for the sole reason that it was cheaper to reuse to the 250 parts. They still feel good to shoot but could have been better.

>HK
I don't like the vp9. It has the plastic wings that bother me. The mag release is flimsy and Hk's should have hammers on them IMO. So I'm in reference to the hammer fired ones when I speak, that's what I've had. Firstly, HK makes the best barrels in the world, period. They're fully supported chambers, cold hammer forged, properly done and excellent polygonal rifling and made to tight tolerances. If we're giving Sig credit for triggers, Hk gets credit for barrels. However, the triggers are garbage. The pull isn't smooth, the break is hard and they're almost proud of it like they feel that it's a combat trigger designed to beat the shit out of that primer at the expense of everything else so that it knows it's the guns bitch and the round fires.

>>32045332
cont...
My p2000 I put a 10lb Wolff spring in.
Stoned the seer, barely enough to matter.
Bought a hogue wrap around because the side bulges make it fit my hand better.

So for a little work and $12 dollars in parts, it's my perfect carry gun. Trigger is just okay though.

p2000 w/3mags and night sights = $822
Wolff spring and Hogue grip = $12

So I've got $834 +tax in a gun that on paper does the same thing as a Glock 19 but holds 2 less rounds. Don't care, it shoots great for me and I love it.

>>32045332

i dunno about you but I have a p2000sk and the single action trigger is the best i've had

>>32045388
No, sig legion or any "good" 1911 triggers blow it away. Some striker fired triggers like the ppq are so good now that theybeven compete with the Hk SA pull IMO.

Love the P2000 and hk in general though.

I've owned all three. I can't get over the crap triggers on flocks. Now I own like a dozen SIGs and like 2 HKs. I'll get more HKs in the future.

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>he bought a DA/SA HK gun and not an LEM variant

Be honest, who here actually did this?

>>32042794
Psst.. kid... do you wanna know how I know you never fondled a m9/92fs?

>>32045579
nah he's rite...you'll knock the safety back on, the gun then explodes, cracking then sending the slide flying into your nose and this is all assuming your m9 actually works and doesn't have a bunch of fucked up parts in it from three decades of abuse

also the px4 is unreliable soz

>>32045577
Apparently there's an LEM and an LEM "light".
I bet the LEM light isn't god awful terrible but the standard LEM has a long pull and a really hard break. It's neat but it's not that great.

>>32037065
"Supposedly"

>>32045619
Todd Green who shot P30's extensively in LEM prefered the light variant. I've shot a V4 P30 and it was pretty damn good.

I would buy an HK in LEM if I could somehow get past the paddle mag release.

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>>32036601

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>>32036601

Per the lumped capacitance method, pic related, for the same surface area and temperature difference, as volume (V) increases, time also increases (t).

>>32045652
That's one of the few handguns that get posted on /k/ that I've never actually shot. Can you give an objective impression of it?

>>32045652
I'd buy from sphinx if they weren't so anti gun

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>>32045667
Only put a few hundred rounds through it.

short version.
it's cz but great.

long version.
double action is kinda poopy but I think it'll get a bit better with break in and training.
single action is great, it's smooth and light. beautiful reset. but something about it makes me snap my aim a bit to the left. need to spend more time really reworking my trigger pull.
ergonomics are fantastic, as can be expected with a cz platform. high grip, minimal muzzle flip. wish the slide release was a bit longer but whatever.
The balance on the alpha is a bit odd, steel slide, aluminum upper and poly grip. I'm used to all steel or all aluminum so it feels a bit off to me. it's still really, really comfortable, but it will take some getting used to.
It's accurate as it can be, but the sights are shit. and they can't be changed as of yet, which is a pretty big con in my book.
extremely reliable. I'll get a weak ejection every once in a while but no ftf's, fte's, stovepipes, out of battery. Made in Switzerland means something.
trust it 100% as a carry weapon. Will probably sell my sp01 (the ftf machine) and use this for hd and ccw.

>>32045667

Not the anon you asked up I have the threaded barrel model.

Very comfortable grip, fantastic single action and reset. Double action was a bit heavy and had some stacking at the end but it's smoothed out and is very nice after the couple thousand I've fired through it.

Fit and finish is fantastic. Slide to frame is very tight new. The barrel hood locks into the frame ridiculously tight.

My only complaints are the DA trigger when new, the typical CZish super narrow hard to grip slide, and the sights the threaded model comes with are just black on black. Not paint/dots.

>>32044295
Well played good sir

>>32045856
can't samefag replying to your own posts, reddit "sir"

>>32036601
What sig model is that?

>>32036601
Seeing how all glocks are the same the only thing they have going for them is 10mm
I think Sigs are great, but most models are 226 variants and I think CZ does all the same stuff but cheaper
H&K wins because their handguns have pushed new technology and design and have always stayed the highest quality

>>32045894
>H&K wins because their handguns have pushed new technology
You know that really is true. They pioneered polymer handguns before Glock. They pioneered striker fired handguns. They've made some crazy underwater stuff.

You know what my favorite thing about HK is? It's /k/'s fault but I like that they're overpriced. I like that every dumbfuck who wonders into a gun store isn't going to buy one and then walk around in an HK hoodie mumbling about his gun being buried in the back yard to prove a point. I like that they don't come in rainbow finishes. I like that they are quality guns. I like that they generally hate their customers.

I could have anything, it would be an HK with an HK barrel and a single action only 1911's trigger with a 2 pound break. That's what I want.

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>>32046006
>I like that they generally hate their customers.

Except this isn't true. They stuck up for gunowners back in the 80's and 90's when "non sporting" firearms couldn't be brought into the States. Doesn't help how the German government doesn't want HK exporting most of their products.

I fucking hate this meme and I wish more people would stop spouting this dumb shit.

>>32043992
Don T Money.

>>32046058
I've dealt with their customer service myself, it's not really good. Also, the don't do much marketing or trim level BS like SIG. That's what I mean as much as anything else. I'm glad they don't.

>>32046006
If I could have anything it would be a 10mm Mk23
Or maybe for them to make p7s again under $1000 msrp

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>>32046097
>maybe for them to make p7s again under $1000 msrp
That's be cool.

Speaking of 10mm, I'd like to have this in 10mm.

>>32046173
Me too
There are some 10mm MP5 conversions too, but 10mm is for UMP, 9mm is for MP5
Why didnt H&K realize how good 10mm is?
We could of had these guns 20 years ago

>>32040711
Sorry, but being actually reasonable opinions and offering insightful view without any sort of extreme claim will just have your post ignored.
Next time, throw memes into your post and fanboyism, that way, it would ensure the survival of a thread.

>>32046350
Stop same fagging.
If nobody called your post retarded it means you were basically correct if somewhat boring and over simplified. Good job.

>>32036601

Hk
Sig
Glock

Only issue i have with the HK is the usp's safety. I need to pick up the lem kit so that i dont keep kicking the safety on when i drop the slide. And what the fuck is going on when i slap a mag in and the slide drops, its not even consistent.

>>32046521
>And what the fuck is going on when i slap a mag in and the slide drops, its not even consistent.
I have several guns that do this to me inconsistently. One of those guns is an HK but others do it too, including my Steyr and 1911. Not sure but I think it would be neat as a feature if it were consistent.

>>32046173
literally NEVER going to be made.

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I like my Sig because it has a wonderful trigger and is practical

I like my glock because it solves problems

I like my HK because It's beautiful and makes me feel like the tom cruise in collateral

If I had to choose a favorite, I guess i'd go with the HK.

>>32036601
I own a P226, Glock 34 and 19, and a few USPs.

My vote goes to H&K for best overall quality, but I carry the Glock 19.

>>32036965
I like my M9A1 a lot. Can't really go wrong with any of these guns, just a question of what your personal preferences are.

I might have too many full size 9mm's.

>>32043059
H&K light LEM is better. Your hot opinions are shit, bro. Come at me, bro. No balls.

>>32045619
The light LEM is pretty godly. Miles of take up but you don't really notice it unless you're used to shooting 1911s or something else with a nice single action trigger.

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The M&P22 is a good gun

>>32039148
>Carry a full size
>Osborne
>wear sweaters

Are you me?

>>32039148
That sweater is sexy m8 whered you get it
Also the jeans too

>>32042794
This has literally never happened.

>>32045867
Sig striker fired fanboi got his shit rekt : /\ )

>>32043831
Really? Had a sc and didn't like it at all. Great ergos but that trigger and muzzle flip...

Had to practically give it away when I went to sell.

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>>32043923
lol sig owner here as well, i swear that anchor makes my shots more accurate :)

>>32045675
>I'd buy from sphinx if they weren't so anti gun
Wat