Russian Combat effectiveness against the Iraqi army of 2003

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>>32027979
>2003.
They'll send bombers for recon.
No Air Support since Kusnetsov is under repair.
Lack of standardization will lead to soldiers tying white armbands to identify themselves.
Blue on Blues by Russian air force.
Kontraktnikis walking into ambushes and fleeing.

Look at the shitshow the Russian Army was in Georgia.

>>32028001
The shitshow in Georgia ended in 3 days, anon.

Iraq takes months.

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>>32027979
>Cruise missile
>Tactical Operational Missile Complex
>Multiple rocket launcher
>Iraq dont have it

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>>32027979
In a parallel universe, If Russia tried to invade Iraq while iraqi army was equipped with western tech. I'd say that they have to use nukes, or else the Russian army would be humiliated.

Heck, Russia hardly won a war against several thousands of Muslims in Chechnya

>>32028079
Hardly won a war?

Remember Chechnya 2?

>>32028084
That's why I said "hardly", it took them years to beat 3000 Muslims.

Iraqi army was almost 200k, well trained, but they were equipped with monkey models.

>>32028094
They beat them in Chechnya 1, and beat them again in Chechnya 2.

And successfully occupied Chechnya to this day.

>>32028105
No, they lost Chechnya 1 and won the second.

And Chechnya is a state under control of Russia right now,they have their own president.

>>32028109
>No, they lost Chechnya 1 and won the second.
They successfully repealed the muslims in Chechnya 1.
>And Chechnya is a state under control of Russia right now,they have their own president.
There are still russian troops in Chechnya.

>>32028084
>>32028105
>needing 2 wars to defeat a country smaller than Fiji
And Chechnya is still trying to go its own way, they're inching towards instituting Sharia law.

Russian tanks would eat iraqi assholes alive until they had a quivering anal orgasm and died from it.

Seriously the russian tanks are much superior to any iraqi monkey models.

>>32028109
>And Chechnya is a state under control of Russia right now,they have their own president.
Thats pretty common in Russia, its called the Russian Federation for a reason.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_Republic_of_Tatarstan

>>32028123
Yeah, ok, anon.

Fact is Russia does not give no shit as long as the muslims are tamed.

>>32028032
Mind you, Georgia is the size of a large farm and not a huge population.
Iraq is quite a large area and does have a fair few people in it.

That said, Russians do well at mechanised infantry so I do think they'd be alright to get troops where they need it, plus not insubstantial amounts of artillery. Russian airforce is a bit hit-miss depending on what they had exactly back in 03, even at their lowest I'd give them the benefit of the doubt of being able to get air superiority quite quickly and being Russia, they just don't give a fuck about casualties- theirs or anyone elses!

>>32028118
>They successfully repealed the muslims in Chechnya 1.
It wasn't the Muslims who attacked, the goal was to invade Chechnya, and the Russians lost.
But afterwards they won.

What I'm saying is that they struggled so much with 3k, what do you think it'll happen if they tried this with hundreds of thousands of soldiers.

>>32028142
Chechens can fight, Iraqis can't. Even today the best fighters in IS are Chechen.

Slower anda more inefective shock and awe strategy. Lots of blue on blue and technical losses. 6 gorillion civilian dead and extreme counter insurgency tactics.

Press saying the operation is a huge success.

>>32028129
>Russians
>eating assholes
From what I've heard about Dedovshchina/ sexual abuse in the Russian army, this sounds about right.

>>32028138
Chechnya is getting more and more muslim though, Kadyrov supports polygamy, honour killings, Sharia, Koranic lesson in schools etc.

>>32028150
The fact that a war of almost all of the world against Iraq took 8 years and 8 months, it means that they are not that easily beaten.

>>32028079

Keep in mind Russia was fighting an insurgency, not a standing army

>>32028165
The conventional army of Iraq was utterly defeated within weeks. COIN is entirely different ballgame. You shouldn't conflate the two.

Also Iraqs army no so softened by air power, bigger ground battles then.

>>32028079


If that was true the Iraqi army would be composed of M48 tanks with the occasional M60A1 for elite units.

>>32028254
No, at that time US had the abrams, so they will find no problem in supplying them with M60A1, just like the Saudis.
Qnd US export models are way better than Russian monkey models

>>32028109

>they have their own president.

Russia is a federation composed of republics, they all have their own leaders/presidents. Chechnya is part of Russia, albeit with a large amount of autonomy

>>32027979
It will be similar to the U.S. invasion, but because they aren't cucked by "hearts and minds" bullshit, it will end in victory.

>>32028263
so? Russians has T-80Us at the time
Iraqis had mostly T-55s and couple T-72s, ergo, the closest West equivalents are M48s and M60s

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>>32027979
>would of

>>32028139

Georgia had much more difficult terrain, poor infrastructure, plenty of chokepoints and many other obstacles for invading army

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>>32027979
>How would of

>>32028079

Russia was crippled back then

>>32028487
This.

Russian society is now free of corruption, economic stagnation, poverty, and all the other issues that made the Russian Army a joke back in the early 90s.

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>>32028084
>Remember Chechnya 2?

Yea, I remember Chechnya 2.
Here is your Russian "victory" in Chechnya 2:

http://www.ibtimes.com/moscow-largest-muslim-city-europe-faithful-face-discrimination-public-authorities-2020858

Putin didnt "win" war in Chechnya.
He made a deal with one of the sides, gave them money, and they killed the other sides.

And they continue to PAY them - in Chechnya, in form of "investments", and in Moscow, to stop them from running the capital underground.
Yes. They ware unable to stop Chechen mafia even in their own capital.

>>32028496
They have tamed the muslims, and even got some muslim fighters in Donbass.

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>>32028494
>Russian society is now free of corruption, economic stagnation, poverty, and

Ok, comrade Vatnik - you have to be more subtile than that, or you won't get paid.
Come on, blatant lies work only if you have ability to spam them into the populace, and even that's very limited.

>>32028508
>They have tamed the muslims,
No.
>and even got some muslim fighters in Donbass.
Hired mercenaries. That's what I was saying. They PAY them. But even those backed off after they got smoked.

>>32028520
But we have still chetnik fighters in Donbass, anon.

>>32028494
>Russian society is now free of corruption, economic stagnation, poverty, and all the other issues that made the Russian Army a joke back in the early 90s.

The fun/sad part is that it's impossible to tell if you are mocking russia or if you are a vatnik that truly believe what you wrote.

>>32027979
They would kill Sadam without trial

>>32028527
There are only a handful of serbs left. The most famous one is Deki, the skinny sniper dude.

>>32027979
In 2003 the russian air force was even a bigger joke than it is today.
They had next to non SEAD or DEAD capability compared what the US had, all their tanks where T-72 mods and their soldiers are mostly made up of beaten and raped conscripts, just like Iraq.
Russia had a hard time dismantling the AA in Georgia, it would have been next to impossible for them to do that in Iraq.

>>32028554
How did the Soviet army disabled the AA in Afghanistan again?

>>32028531
Let's get real, do you believe the current Russian army is better than the 90s one, or not?

>>32028710
They kept upgrading Hinds until the went broke.

>>32028511

>genuinely believing anyone here gets paid

Fuck off, tripfag

Is the Russian army really that bad? I thought they were doing quite well in Ukraine and had some fairly up to date EW systems.

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>>32029231
They did a lot of damage to Ukraine but they still took a ton of losses. Most of the losses Ukraine took were because the Ukrainians had no idea who was shooting at them and when they finally did figure out (give poofs) that it was the Russians they couldn't fire across the border. The Russian regular army losses are in the hundreds.

Oddly enough they keep taking trophy pictures (and post it to VK or what ever) with burnt out equipment saying that it's destroyed Ukrainian equipment but in reality a lot of that stuff is their own. You can battle track the entire conflict. There are a few websites out there that do that stuff and provide a really good read.

The basic Russian army is little better than the Ukrainian army and that is both in equipment, moral and technical knowledge. Their SF, VDV and other specialty groups with the cool equipment are a different story.

>>32028511
I think he's being sarcastic....

>>32029231
>>32029497
Either Ukraines army really sucks or there is no Russian bogeyman
Why doesnt Ukraine find these hundreds of dead Russian servicemen they've killed and cut off their heads so they can show them next to their VK profiles showing they are Russian servicemen?
Or is Russia that good that they can recover all of their hundreds of dead from a chaotic battlefield?
Havent they only managed to find two of these Russian special forces in how many years fighting?

>>32029231
The issue with talking about the Russian army is that it sits between most peoples expectations of it. It's not the incompetent army it was in the 90's, but it still is not an equal match to the United States. The average Russian soldier is pretty shitty in terms of training and equipment, however the Russian Special Forces are a different matter. They actually have a pretty competent Special Forces program. The Russians are also pretty good at fighting a war in a more modern way. If you look at Georgia the Russians had managed to cut most of the communication networks before the actual invasion had begun. So, the Russian army is by no means terrible, but it still has a way to go if it wishes to catch up the US.

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>>32033139
>there are no russian soldiers in ukraine LALALALALAA CANT HEAR YOU
Look it is 2014 all over again.

>russian government doesnt release information of killed soldiers anymore
>relatives who want to investigate how and where the russian soldiers got killed get harassed

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>>32028139
>Mind you, Georgia is the size of a large farm and not a huge population.
Russians had logistic bottleneck at Roki Tunnel, no air superiority, they HQ was in the middle of re-organization and Gerogians had more manpower than Russians. Also, Gerogians were trained and equipped by best. They had most cards in that game. Russians BTFO them proving that conscription works better than professional army.

>>32034354
They weren't THAT well equipped...

>>32034382
Then it's about NATO support not being THAT good.
If srsly, Georgia had NATO radars, EW and intelligence equipment. Those are very dangerous in right hands.

>>32034004
Lot of the Soviet spec forces where trained for airborne deep-strikes behind enemy lines, disrupting command, communications, supply, sabotage etc
Don't know what the current modus for the Russian ones are, but at its peak during the cold war their ability to drop 1000's of Spetsnaz all over the enemy was something that was a serious concern for a lot of western forces that would have to divert resources away from main battle lines to get rid of them. Casualties from any para or heli drops are high, but that's why they're 'special' :)
Another force multiplier so to speak, was the Russian intelligence services which are/where quite adept at getting assets on the ground and into all sorts of places for information/assassination. I do know they where often partnered with Spetsnaz in local clothing too which would make them quite undesirable to have running around in your country to say the least.

>>32034354
That's more of a tactical fuck up on the Russians side for not being flexible enough to overcome a terrain feature to deliver their military, rather that the Georgians being more 'fighty', there's literally only so much a population of about 3.5mil people can do about a much larger country like Russia bullying them. Not saying fighting in Georgia would be 'fun' for anyone as its quite mountainous, but that's part of being a solider and with the backing of even a fairly beat up Russian military should have had that dealt with a lot quicker than they did.

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>>32034382
They had better equipment then the Russians who still had T-62M tanks.