Middle East Thread "Shits Getting Hot in Mosul" edition

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>>32020633
Some maps

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>>32020654

>>32020633
>Russian Intervention has proven highly effective in turning the war around as the SAA is now making significant inroads against the opposition.

The carrier? Is this a joke?

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>>32020661

>>32020633
I'm sure everyone in the theater is feeling the presence of that fresh Russian battlegroup. What's the total naval presence like at this point?

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>>32020673

>>32020664
The carrier didn't arrive alone, it came with a sizable SAG.

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>>32020681
This + the Carrier group

They have a lot of boats out there now.

>>32020681
>I'm sure everyone in the theater is feeling the presence of that fresh Russian battlegroup.

>Nine combat aircraft

>>32020681
>I'm sure everyone in the theater is feeling the presence of that fresh Russian battlegroup.

Who, the fishes who had their home disturbed by the fresh off the line mig?

Everyone agrees that shit is pure propaganda.

https://news.usni.org/2016/10/26/analysis-russias-carrier-deployment-syria-propaganda-not-practical

>>32020695

The SAG consists of Four warships.

>>32020711
Is it really only 9 combat aircraft?

>>32020650
that fucking map. top kek

>>32020721
It dumped a few Sukois to the airbase in syria, but yeah, its left with its migs now. minus one.

>>32020711
How many planes have the russians on their air bases at this point? 50?
9 planes are an increase of almost 20%

>>32020736
I guess it is great experience for the Russian Navy guys more than anything, that airbase must be packed now

>>32020739

>one nimtiz has the same number of aircraft as all the russian aircraft in syria, land based and naval

>>32020755
*more aircraft

fixed.

>>32020721
>>32020736
None of the aircraft on the ship have actually struck targets. 6 of the Su-33s were moved to airfields and are striking targets from there.

So that leaves 3 Mig-29s (after the one that crashed) and 4 Su-33s left on the carrier for a total of 7.

Oh thank god, a non-Mand*c thread for once.

>>32020721
It was 10, four MiG-29's and six Su-33's.

There's a Ka-52 there too but it's just doing naval testing.

>>32020755
Ja, but Barry hasn't the balls to deploy a Nimitz to Syria. So basically you have a Shetland pony size cock, but you don't get it up, tough luck.

>>32020769
Waste of money, but it has massive propaganda value for not only their defense industry but for their domestic audiences as well.

This might be a play by the Russian Navy to get its foot in the door when it comes to Syria as well after the Army and Airforce has gotten so much credit.

>>32020776
I think there were 10 Su-33s.

>>32020776
>was

what happened to the mig anon?

>>32020698
My eye for Russian warships isn't great, but if I'm not mistaken there are seven surface combatants in that picture. So add the four ships in the CG and we've got, what, 11 warships? That's a huge detachment for Russia to be sending abroad.

>>32020721
It's not much more. Kuznetsov is focused on fleet defense because even the Russians don't think it can handle more than that. Ulyanovsk and Sturm are proof of this, yada yada yada, we had this discussion in a Navy thread a few days ago.

>>32020786
It crashed into the sea.

>>32020794
Huge for them, I mean.

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>>32020781

>So basically you have a Shetland pony size cock, but you don't get it up, tough luck.

Better than a microdick pretending like you are accomplishing something with it.'

Of course, manlets never learn :^)

>>32020783
Is it really good propaganda for the informed customer when all they've presented is a crashed airplane and no actual strikes from the carrier (they've launched sorties over Syria, but they didn't actually drop anything)?

>>32020786
Engine failure, sunk into the depths.

>>32020786
training accident. I guess the Russians need the opportunity for some carrier exercise, so if they crash their birds into the polar sea or the med doesn't make much difference, safe for the pilots who will find the med much more agreeable for a quick swim.

>>32020794

There are only 3 warships in that picture (maybe one more near the back)

The rest are logistics vessles, and a tug.

>>32020781
>Ja, but Barry hasn't the balls to deploy a Nimitz to Syria.

Are you retarded? The USS Harry S. Truman and USS Theodore Roosevelt have been deployed since 2015.

>>32020824
There are 7 warships in that picture, not 3

The first 4 are obvious

>>32020810
Ja, but the Russians are winning in Syria, so stay neutered limp dick, at least until Trump takes over.

>>32020836
>The first 4 are obvious

What do you think the fourth one is?

Because it's not a warship.

>>32020835
Achieved anything yet?

>>32020810
It's not, is it?

Russia has had a more effective foreign policy over the past 20 years, with a fraction of the budget, than the USA. Not only has it bolstered the Assad regime, it's flatly avoided mission creep and has fully supported its armed forces.

What has the USA done? Aside from arm ISIS.

>>32020841
Winning in what sense? They're presenting a strong front which is good for them, but this can't actually go anywhere. Assad isn't ever getting his country back, unless Russia feels like staying there fighting for him for the next 20 years.

>>32020781
A squadron of B-1s had been ripping things up for a few months. IIRC Barry moved them to Guam and put B-52s in their place.

TBQA senpai, the USA has oodles of airbase in the region. There are places in the world that need a heavy US presence, and aren't so convenient to the Airforce.

>>32020836

>if it has a mast, its a warship

My sweet summer child~

>>32020852
So you didn't know there have been supercarriers there all along?

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>>32020866
>>32020850
It looks like one of their landing ships

>>32020853
>Russia has had a more effective foreign policy over the past 20 years,

Uhhh, invading tinpot eastern euro countries and really doing a terrible job at it?

or is quitting when the going gets tough "avoiding mission creep"?

>>32020853
>Russia has had a more effective foreign policy over the past 20 years

Which is why they're still fighting open wars inside their own country?

>>32020876

Gunna go out on a limb here and call a landing ship a logistics vessel.

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>>32020866
>>32020850
That 4th boat is a Rppucha-class landing ship

>>32020852
Are you retarded? Ask the Iraqis and the Kurds assaulting Mosul and Raqqa if they accomplished anything.

The ISIS offensive was stopped before Russia even got involved thanks to US air assets in the region.

>>32020893

NOT ALLEPO

DOESN'T COUNT.

>>32020889
Pretty sure logistics vessels are referring to oilers and tenders, shit like that. Not amphibious warfare ships.

>>32020893
>US helps Iraq retake the country
>US helps Kurds retake a third of Syria

>US IS DOING NOTHING

>Russia continues not to take over Aleppo or Raqqa

>RUSSIA IS WINNING THE WAR AGAINST ISIS

>>32020681
>What's the total naval presence like at this point?
Currently in the Med:
Pr.11435 Admiral Kuznetsov CGV
Pr.1144 Peter the Great CVN
Pr.1164 Moscow CG
Pr.1155 Severomorsk DDGS
Pr.1155 Admiral Kulakov DDGS
Pr.1154 Neustrashimy (?) FFGS
Pr.11356 Admiral Grogorovich FFG
Pr.61 Smetlivy FFGS
Pr.21631 Serpukhov FCG
Pr.21631 Zeleny Dol FCG
Plus various oilers, tugs, LTSs and intel ships.

>>32020900
What does Aleppo have to do with ISIS?

>>32020854
>implying
(smiley face)

>>32020904

Logistic ships are not constrained to oilers and tenders, SSC's, MLP's, etc, are all logistic ships.

>>32020904
A landing ship isn't a surface combatant.

It's not intended for naval warfare.

>>32020913
Thats a lot of hulls in the water floating around by Syria

>>32020913
>Pr.1144 Peter the Great CVN
>battlecruiser
>CVN

>>32020913
Is the Kuz still launching fighters? I read that all the SU-33s have been moved to airfields and the Mig-29s are probably grounded.

>>32020940
Not all of them were moved.

>>32020911
It would be easier to believe you if half the jihadists in the region wouldn't be by one way or another supported by the US. Same goes for the Iraqi civil war and how they lost they turf in the first place. It is not that people have forgot who fucked up the whole place for good.

Also Russia's strategic partnership with Iran looks like a politic victory and likely will pay out in the long run, at least for Iran.

>>32020945
>It would be easier to believe you if half the jihadists in the region wouldn't be by one way or another supported by the US.

The fact that you believe things like this so easily and without evidence is the fundamentals of your ignorance.

>>32020945
>iraq loses turf

US IS AT FAULT

>Syria loses turf

RUSSIA IS NOT AT FAULT

wew.

>It would be easier to believe you if half the jihadists in the region wouldn't be by one way or another supported by the US

The creme da la meme

>>32020913
When was the last time Russia committed this many vessels to action outside their territorial waters?

>>32020940
Yes
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4n_PCG-1zY
The Su-33s are probably taking over from the Su-35s as CAP and the Su-35s being used for AtG.
>>32020934
Yes, CGN

>>32020961
Cold War for sure, probably never this large in the last 25 years

>>32020945
So the US is winning and that's the US doing nothing. Also for some reason that doesn't count.

But Russia isn't winning, so they're totally winning.

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>>32020781
>Ja, but Barry hasn't the balls to deploy a Nimitz to Syria

>USS George H.W. Bush carrier strike group (June 2014 – late October 2014)

>USS Carl Vinson carrier strike group (late October 2014 – late March 2015)

>USS Theodore Roosevelt carrier strike group (late March 2015 – 13 October 2015)

>USS Harry S. Truman carrier strike group (December 2015 – July 2016)

>USS Dwight D. Eisenhower carrier strike group (June 2016 – present)

This is what a vatnik says is "the US is too scared to deploy a carrier to the med"

>>32020920
Didn't say it was a surface combatant. Just said putting it in the same boat (lel) as tugs, fuel, and supply vessels might not be the most accurate either.

>>32020961
>Russia
Never.
For the Soviets, maybe the Okun-75 exercises (in one place that is).

>>32020958
>without evidence
>implying
It is pretty well documented how the saudi wahabi extremism was weaponized and used by the the US, from Afghanistan to the middle east. Not like AQ wasn't on the payroll before 911, right? So please spare me the jingo.

>>32021000
It's made to move supplies

It's not made to fight

>>32021000
I mean, logistical vessel is a logistical vessel.

Its not a negative implication, it just IS. It supplies the shore with materiel.

>>32021009
>Not like AQ wasn't on the payroll before 911, right?

See, you tell me this like it proves you're right. You can't even understand how it's just shelved you alongside all the other idiotic conspiracy theorists.

>>32021009
Still upset about the russian afganistan war, huh?

>>32021022
>what is operation cyclone?

>>32020913
The destroyers Bystryy and Admiral Tributs were rumoured to be en-route to the Mediterranean as well, although they might just of been visiting Indonesia.

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>>32020915
But he's right and your a vatnik Peace of shit.
GO TRUMP
GO AMERICA
BTFO

>>32021043
>confirmed for still being upset about the russian-afgan war

Do we really want to get into cold war shenanigans? Because we CAN go there.

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>>32020633
I've been to that airport. I wonder if it is still usable after it was taken now. I figured they would have blown that shit up if it was going to be taken.

>>32021032
Not at all, as I am neither Russian nor a commie. It is just just interesting to see how the US and the Saudis funded Mujahedeen In Afgahnistan, the same guys that later on bombed US embassies, the WTC and other stuff. Later on the same guys did 911 and much later you some guys with AQ flags firing CIA supplied TWO's in Syria.
If you think this is a sensible police, then please state so, but don't give me this hewazgudboyhedidndonuffin crap.

>>32021059
I'm somewhat skeptical that Russia would put so many surface combatants in one place without attatching subs.

>>32021086
You are reducing to ad absurdum.

The op cyclone supplied Afghanistan, not their arab volunteers.

That said, even if we were to assume the US directly supplied OBL, it is 15 or so years after till 9/11, and over 20 from today.

Furthermore, AQ guys fireing TOW's does not mean the US directly supplied them, any more than AQ fireing AK's means russians supplied them.

>>32021043
Too dumb to specify what groups were being funded by the USA huh

It's alright, who needs facts when you can have broad, sweeping generalisations?

Who cares that Al Qaeda emerged after the fact? The US couldn't see the future, so they funded Al-Qaeda right up to 2001, even though nothing suggests that they did in the slightest.

>>32021093
There seems to be oneOscar-II 'confirmed', plus anything up to two Akulas and one Sierra, and maybe a Kilo.
>Pr.61 Smetlivy FFGS
Actually Smetlivy is back in the Black Sea.

>>32021086
>It is just just interesting to see how the US and the Saudis funded Mujahedeen In Afgahnistan, the same guys that later on bombed US embassies, the WTC and other stuff.

Complete ignorance of the fact the Mujhadeen divided after the war in Afghanistan.

>>32021009
>Not like AQ wasn't on the payroll before 911

You think the Afghan Mujhadeen are Al-Queda huh

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>>32021104
>AQ guys fireing TOW's does not mean the US directly supplied them, any more than AQ fireing AK's means russians supplied them.

>>32021149
You know the Saudis and Iraqis cleaned out their warehouses of ToWs? Where do you think those ended up?

>>32021124
AQ started in Afghanistan, founded and supported mainly by Saudi Ariabia, with the full blessing and knowledge of the CIA and the Pakistani Intelligence service.

>>32021149
a...are you saying any time an AK turns up, its russia that sent it?

>>32021175
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda#Jihad_in_Afghanistan

>>32021149


he >>32021183 is right, ya kno

>>32021158
The Saudis and Iraqis sent their TOWs to Syria WITHOUT US knowledge and approval?
What the fuck is the US intelligence community doing, Christ.

To what extent do you guys think Trump is willing to work with Russia in regards to ISIS and the fate of Syria? We already know they want to be friends, but is Trump willing to let Assad remain after everything else is dealt with?

>>32021208
Iraqi's had theirs looted, Saudis sent them to all kinds of "FSA" groups over the years

>>32021208

>The Saudis and Iraqis sent their AKs to Syria WITHOUT russian knowledge and approval?

Spoiler, its their weapons.

>>32021208
Why do you think the Saudi's pour money into Clinton's & friends pockets? To keep the arms deals going and to turn a blind eye to what they do with those weapons after they have them.

>>32021209
kek, that would honestly be so hillarious

after all the shitflinging against assad, after "barrel-bombs", chem-weapons, all the rethoric, and now us and syria turn into besties.

fingers crossed

>>32021183
No, only that the CIA supplies or supplied 25 different groups in the Syrian conflict with TOW's and training. At least two of those groups are known AQ affiliates.
>so yeah, in bed with al Qaeda again

>>32021209
>trump "helps" russia kill isis
>then puts 14 tomahawks into assads house

The madman

>>32021234

And not a single source was posted this day.

>>32021208
No, they didn't, they had full approval, and support witht he training. In exchange they have some control of who uses the weapon where.
https://hasanmustafas.wordpress.com/2015/05/08/the-moderate-rebels-a-complete-and-growing-list-of-vetted-groups-fielding-tow-missiles/

>>32021246
https://www.cartercenter.org/resources/pdfs/peace/conflict_resolution/syria-conflict/nationwideupdate-feb-28-2015.pdf
>check page 11

>>32021258
Thanks. I knew I'd get someone to make my argument for me.

>>32021258

>a fucking blog

>>32021281
You apparently missed out on the fine print on the bottom of the picture

>>32020998
Vatniks think Russian fleets scared off the US Navy after the cook thing. It's pretty funny.

>>32021285
Here's a list of groups that currently operate TOW's https://medium.com/@badly_xeroxed/bmg-71-tow-atgm-syrian-opposition-groups-in-the-syrian-civil-war-2636c6d08d68#.rfwyfmmgw

>>32021300
>no seriously, we do not supply our enemies enemies with a weapon who's exclusive producer we are and as we did many times before. Why would you ever think that?

>>32021368

Disregarding the fact you completely ignored the central point, with many memes sprinkled throughout your greentext

> with a weapon who's exclusive producer

is 100% false.

>>32021385
You actually do now that the US has officially vetted Syrian REbel groups for arms support, supported and trained them the use of the TWO and demanded that every launch has to be documented and the empty tubes with the serial numbers returned. Thats the reason this nice film your atgm hits meme started.
http://eaworldview.com/2014/05/syria-9-insurgent-groups-us-made-tow-anti-tank-missiles/

>>32020970
Taking off with a couple shitty air to airs. Wow, ramps are really garbage.

>>32021443
>Wow, ramps are really garbage.
4-6 AAMs is how many missiles you see the Su-35s flying with in Syria.
Or look at pictures on Su-24s with two KAB-500s.

>>32021517
They aren't taking off of ramps.

>>32021527
And yet they carry nowhere near their MTOW.

>>32021517
Looks like they are prepped for ferry to operate from land based airstrips.

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So yeah, american carriers are much better than russian carriers. toot-toot
anything else you guys want to talk about. like actually who is fighting who and what happened where?

>>32021567
>So yeah, american carriers are much better than russian carriers.
Measured in terror groups created.

>>32021439
You went full illiterate there.

I think i see your point, but fuck is it lost in that word salad.

>>32020854
>Assad isn't ever getting his country back

Damn I was thinking what can you do when 100k people in your country decide they want to shoot at people.

This is more /pol/ but it worries me a bit, look at Syria it's ruined, im not really a right wing person but maybe we shouldnt just let anyone in our country, even if it seems a little harsh. Imagine if a 1000 people one day got together and started shooting up a city, sure they cant beat the military but it'd be absolute chaos

>>32021713
To add on to your point, the concern with letting them in is how easily it is for them to convert people already here to their cause. Those who wanted to fight but didn't want to risk travel will now have recruiters at their local mosque for domestic operations.

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>>32021011
>It's not made to fight
Armament:

2* 2*57 mm AK-257 guns (Ropucha I)
1* 76 mm AK-176 (Ropucha II)
2* 30*122 mm rocket launcher A-215 Grad-M
Strela 2(SA-N-5) surface-to-air missile system(4 launchers)
2* 30 mm AK-630 six-barreled gatling guns (Ropucha II)

It is made for amphibious assault including fire support during landing. It is made to fight.

>>32021443
>Having to carry drop tanks to go anywhere because your internal fuel capacity is shit
Wow, F-18s are really garbage.

>>32021713
Vast vast majority of refugees are simply that, refugees. Usually if you got brains and even a small amount of money the thought of escaping that shit situation comes to mind. I've talked to a handful of war refugees, adult males, Afghanistan and Iraq, they are just regular people. Regular people who now basically have to start their life all over again in a new country.

>>32020633
Thought the shias were still trying to take the airport

>>32021808
3 of those are pure self defense, the other is multiuse.

Its like calling the SA class LPD "ready to fight" because it has two bushmaster 30mms, two 16 cell RAM launchers, and .50s.

>>32020824
Kill yourself uninformed shitposter

>>32020887
?

>>32022319
See
>>32020866

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>>32021104
>AQ guys fireing TOW's does not mean the US directly supplied them, any more than AQ fireing AK's means russians supplied them.

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>>32022304
I don't see how naval artillery gun and MLRS are "pure self defense". What I am saying is that it is a military ship that is made to fight, so you can not put it into the same category as logistics vessels like tankers. It would be simply incorrect.

>>32022378
Hows that again 50 cent?

>>32022403
By that logic an inflatable inner tube carrying an E-1 with a trolling motor and a M4 is a "fighting ship".
retard.

>>32022344
war·ship
ˈwôrˌSHip/
noun
a ship equipped with weapons and designed to take part in warfare at sea.

>>32022442
>wahhhh mommy an anonymous poster criticized my idiocy wahhhh

>>32022489
>>32022403

>russians are so fucking desperate they are calling an LPD a warship

Insecure as fuck

>>32022499
>heavily exported weapons mean the orginal designer of that weapon is directly behind every single instance of that weapon being used.

.t vatnik

>>32022467
An E-1 with an M4 isn't a push inland. Ropuchas deliver 10 MBTs or twelve BTRs, each with 340 troops. It delivers a sizeable ground force to unimproved beaches and it packs a considerable deal of firepower to support the landing. I don't think it detracts from the status of surface combatants to admit that amphibious assault ships are certainly more combat oriented than tugs and tenders, for the same reason that the USN researched 30mm GAU-13s for LCACs.

>>32022552
Hey man, if you want to classify a logistics ship as a warship, more power to you. Whatever you need to inflate your i-ego.

Ill just be launghing my ass off over here.

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>>32022467
No, by that logic a landing ship designed for amphibious assault and armed with a 76 mm naval artillery gun with 10km range, two 122mm MRL systems with 20km range and two 30 mm gatling guns with 4km range, as well as fire control system, radar with 100km range and EW is by all means imaginable made to fight, so putting it into one category with logistics vessels is blatantly retarded.
>>32022500
>Let's just classify ships wrong, because Russians
Insecure as fuck.

>>32020998
>USS Dwight D. Eisenhower carrier strike group

IKE CSG consists of the aircraft carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69), Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 3, guided-missile cruisers USS San Jacinto (CG 56) and USS Monterey (CG 61), and Destroyer Squadron (DESRON) 26 with its associated guided-missile destroyers USS Roosevelt (DDG 80), USS Mason (DDG 87), USS Nitze (DDG 94) and USS Stout (DDG 55).

Annnd that's more firepower than the whole russian fleet currently around Syria.

>>32020684
Are the impacts before them bomb detonation autocannon shells/a strafing run? If so, props to the brave warrior who shouldered his AK in a futile attempt to bring it down

الله اکبر

>>32023680
Aloha snackbar to you my friend

Sorry to be a bother but does anyone have any Hezbollah pics from the last few months? I need a reference for ARMA scenario I'm making
I remember in the last few threads there was one of a bunch of guys walking along a hill and then a bunch of armor pics
Thanks

Any truth in Oniks anti ship missile used in land attack? Does it breach any treaty?

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>>32021217
>Hey Bob, the Saudis are funding our enemy. Maybe we should rethink our allia-
>FUCK OFF M8 IT'S THEIR WEAPON THEIR RULES
Spoiler, that's not how diplomacy works.

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they still exist.

>>32025309
what? Did he just trigger it by pulling a rope?

>>32023963
>hey, random Iraqi quartermaster
>I know you were planning on selling everything to ISIS
>don't do that lol

You have made the classic mistake of assuming that an Arab country functions like a western country.

>>32025347
obviously fed through the pistol port in the turret and tied to the trigger.

Whats the point in sitting inside that cramped shitty 70 year old thing.

>>32025375
Mobility?

They're using it as a semi-mobile gun emplacement in the sense that if spotted the tank is dead

>>32021713
In California we call it Friday.

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>>32023608
>when a single strike group of your navy is bigger than another country's entire functioning navy

>>32020853
Effective foreign policy is what got their economy bitch slapped by sanctions, yeah?

>>32022706
>lets classify LPDs as warships

San Antonio confirmed for warship.

>>32020880
To be fair America hasn't done well invading tinpot shitskin countries either

>>32025810
Which is exactly the same as how it'd get used if they sat inside, just because a weapon should be and would be far more effective used differently is somewhat irrelevant when talking about durkas durking. At least this way he isn't sat next to an ancient breach of unknown strength whilst firing random provenance ammo, that for all we know is already venting into the crew compartment a fuckload with every shot.

>>32027047
America is extremely good at invading. I mean, absolutely blowing the defending forces out.

What happens after is the problem.

Hell, look at fallujah. Hadji did some isis level shit, and took over a city. They got absolutely fucking wrekt.

Nobody can face the US force on force. Just attrition based fighting.

>>32020853
Well considering the pmu's have promised to go into Syria and fight the "FSA" after Mosul i think 20 years is a stretch

>>32020863
Actually, the B-1s were removed so that they could go home for some sort of upgrades that they'd been waiting on.

>>32027849
They were rotated.

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This Al-Bab shit is hilarious, the butthurt from all sides is going to be intense

>>32028199
>this fucking patchwork

this is a recipe for disaster

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>>32026770
>Let's keep moving goalposts
No, more like a landing ship designed for amphibious assault confirmed for being made to fight and not being in the same category with logistics vessels.

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This thread turned into a Russian Navy thread. This makes me sad. Let's chat about Russian Marines being utilized around Syria, cause I can't seem to find much after that helicopter got greased by a TOW.

>>32028252

This is where the road stops for all parties, from here Syria will be divided into mini states

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>>32020807
>Mig design buerau
Where did everything go so wrong

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>>32028199
plus there are reports of a SAA buildup in Kweires airbase just south of your map.

>>32028526
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/f-a-18_swiss-fighter-jet-missing/42407206
>McDonnell Douglas design bureau
Where did everything go so wrong?

>>32020841
>winning in syria
Before all this Syria was a major player in the region and a staunch russia supporter.
With a few whispered words and some weapons approaching expiry date delivered, the US has made Syria a non factor for decades even if Assad won the war today.

>>32020650
NO! NOT THE PET SHOPS AND KITTENS!

>>32028607
This.

The US got its enemy to fight its enemy to fight its enemy in a 3 way clusterfuck.

Its a master stroke

>>32028681
>>32028607
And for what reason? To make all countries hate them even more? Including the ones the US is funding?

>>32028586
>MiG-29K hot off the production line crashed
>The butt of complaints by India over crappy engines
>Hornet produced in the 80s crashed
>Still respected by all its users

Really makes you think.

>>32025347
it probably killed a couple of gunners before they started this, also consider the heat in that metal can. try sit in your car under the sun with no ac.

>>32028696
>And for what reason?

Eastern bloc country.

>>32028781
Did the US fund the hungarian revolution too?

>>32028788
The U.S.funded everything because they're the public wing of the Illuminati

>>32028788
It's funny because the Hungarian Revolution was to some extent pretty akin to what is happening in Syria. Khruschev was about to let them leave the WarPac for good when the crowd went absolutely batshit insane neanderthal ISIS-tier mode. Naturally they had to get rekt after that.

>>32029277
>leave the Warsaw Pact
>for good

Do you have any source for that? Khrushchev and the Soviet high command chimped out for a reason. Hungary was one of the best buffer states they had and they didn't want to just give it away.

>ISIS-tier

fucking what? There wasn't any atrocities on either side, most of the deaths occurred from the AVH firing into the rioting crowds who then fired right back at them.

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>>32022552
You really don't get the whole "not suitable for naval combat" part of not being a warship

>>32030481
It has a CIWS - 2* 30 mm AK-630 six-barreled gatling guns (Ropucha II) like the guy said.

Plus its a landing ship made to transport troops and vehicles to a hostile shore while actively suppressing the enemy. Its not built for anti ship missions. its built to clear a beach head and fight off whatever AShMs come at it in the process.

Can someone explain the SDF blob inside Aleppo? Are the rebels and SAA just ignoring it or is there some type of understanding?

>>32030616
It is not SDF, it's YPG-linked kurds. They are on the government's side.

>>32030616
It's a Kurdish neighbourhood that's said FUCK YOU to everyone that's tried to butt in on them. Rebels get btfo any time they try to push in, and whilst iirc there was some fighting against SAA early on in the war they've since come to an understanding that it's in neither parties interest to fight each other (for now at least), and they've even been cooperating to some extent more recently.

>>32030616
Sheikh Maqsood is almost entirely populated by Kurds, and besides the SDF there is a high number of armed civilians with basic training. An attempted assault could end in a bloody mess.
Kurds and SAA tend to ignore or support each other when they see it fit, and the """rebels""" shoot some mortars every other week.

>there are people in this thread who unironically believe that the US doesn't supply dozens of insurgent groups (many of whom are of questionable 'moderate'-ism) with small arms, explosives and ATGMs
>they unironically belive it's just all the Gulf states, corrupt officials and stolen aid
I mean, the statement above is true, but what was Bangazhi about? Have all the TOW missiles we've been handing out been delivered to the perfect people? Have any rebels led to us or have the capability to lie?

>>32028607
>Before all this Syria was a major player in the region

???????

>>32031201
That's largely their preferred approach, but every so often they like to play with some other toys for show. Same as their use a couple of times of naval launched cruise missiles, not really needed to get the job done but a nice photo op, both for internal and international willy waving purposes.

>>32031201
Because that's a lot harder to do than you think.

>>32031429
The other reason is that they need to test their systems once in a while.

>>32031272
Yeah I know right lmao. They were a major pawn if anything. For Iran -> Hezbollah

>>32028377
t. Western analyst
How many times do you have to be proven wrong before you give up?
>Assad wont last 4 months
>Assad's army is falling apart
>Assad is preparing to flee and establish an Alawite state

>>32024541
The TERROR documentary is amazing

>>32020633
Dear lord that picture, is there an unedited that has that zoom?

I can't help but get a feeling that this will play out just like in Iraq/ Afghanistan. First the Russians get involved, giving weapons and whatnot. Then the Americans begin sending troops, before unleashing a full on assault

>>32031648
Assad had more leverage pre-conflict. He wasn't a big believer in exporting the Islamic Revolution and it was more a confluence of interests. Hezbollah was joined at the hip, by contrast.
Today is a different story. He doesn't own his own country. Though Russia probably has more say than Iran.

>>32020633
>Russian Intervention has proven highly effective in turning the war around as the SAA is now making significant inroads against the opposition.
Kek. I still remember how a year ago poltards crept over here and proclaimed that the war will be over within a few month and how russian will take care of IS, when Russia entered the war.

>>32033121
It is, I quite enjoy Soroosh

>>32020633
someone explain this to me

>mosul
>largely unfortified city, no pre-existing forts, AA instalations
>7000-10000 ISIS defenders, possibly some locals ISIS roped in
>100,000 attackers, russian jets, ground forces of six major groups
>ISIS fighters have largely withdrawn from the area across the syrian border, key personnel probably moved out

why hasn't the offensive moved at a faster pace?
is there simply no need to move quickly and take more casualties
can foreign forces not coordinate?
is this just how long attacking a city takes?

the big risk I see is as follows
>forces are all their to sieze land, not displace ISIS
>offensive is slow because they are all negotiating how to slice up the siezed land between them
>not all parties fighting are party to the negotiation
>multiple parties told they will get the same land
>the only reason the forces against ISIS are so large, is because they anticipate fighting amongst themselves afterwards
turks vs kurds vs iraqi vs arab

>>32033369
IS is literally done though. I doubt we will see much from them any longer

>>32033796
>limb dick "arguement"
Like Russia had actually anything to do with it, they are just cashing in on other peoples effort.

>>32033796
who do you think fights for IS man?

sure there is the AQ style foreign fighter/jihadi element to their forces, that's not insignificant

but the bulk of their men must be the same guys who fought with any number of other islamic groups

I hear some "defected" from the taliban, though I couldn't guess how many
I would be prepared to bet that they would re-join the taliban; even if IS was attacking the taliban

after IS is weakened, their fighters will go into hiding (the ones who already arn't) until they are sucked into another radical group

and we may NEVER see a real end to IS
countries will chase them out of important areas, oil fields, cities
but they will probably still exist as terrorist cells or camped out in isolated areas where nobody is prepared to chase them
maybe they will end up in yemmen, or enter into a tacit agreement with a power bloc to conduct cross border raids (as in africa)

>>32033793
>unfortified city

A city is a mighty fortification itself.

>>32033915
>and we may NEVER see a real end to IS

Once their territory is gone, IS is gone. Islamic STATE. A state need territory, and thats what they are loosing right now at every single frontline.

Sooner or later they will drag Al-Bagdhadi and the other prominent figures out of some dirt hole like they did with Saddam and then its over.

Yes, their fighters will go underground, re-join their old rebel groups, form new ones.. or simply go back to France, Britain or wherever they came from.
Some even might do some bombings or other attacks in europe in the name of IS after its territory is gone, but that won't change the fact that the idea of having a jihadist state has failed.

>>32033972
but it's probably on par with other cities of comparable size

I hear there is an extensive military tunnel system, an art-form that has been evolving

I imagine that IS is only trying to hold the city for political reasons, and that the entire place is just a series of explosive mines and jhadi snipers

the city is still not cut off, something I suspet is deliberate
they want to give IS fighters a route out, everyone would rather fight them somewhere else and many IS fighters probably wouldn't want to stay in a city they couldn't hold

but this is just me talking out of my ass

>>32033985
well that's a bit of a semantic argument
if IS looses the "S" are they defeated?

the answer I think is "only on paper"
maybe you are right that their jihad state has failed, but the reality is that they have probably assembled enough weapons and cash in their fight to go guerrilla for a decade

the "state" only existed in my opinion because of a power vacuum

and like I said, none of the groups fighting them are committed to wiping them out, instead of being at open war with everyone they might slide into a pocket of one country (syria), re-brand as a authentic syrian freedom movement and basically start all over again

depends how the broader pollitics move

>>32034209
>well that's a bit of a semantic argument

It is. But think about it: What makes the IS different from all the other groups? They have/had a large territory and they fought offensively and won open combat against regular armies.
If that is gone, they are just a regular jihad group, like many others.
They might be richer or maybe better equipped.. but they are still just one amongst many. Maybe they even break into many smaller groups after their leaders die, flee or hide..


>none of the groups fighting them are committed to wiping them out, instead

Pretty sure both, Iraqi and Syrian government would kill them to the last man if they had the chance.

Shia militias as well of course. Kurds aren't that "friendly" as media depicts them either.

But we will see what happens.

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>Today from battle of Tal Afar airport
>This is what remains of the isis and the others >all died
>There is
>More than 90 dead bodies of isis.
>East of Mosul

So what are the best anti-VBIED tactics so far?

well, with clinton and barack not fucking around over there any more we should be able to wrap this crap up soon.

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>>32020633
>>32020633
What am I looking at here in both images, OP?

>>32034351
>running the fuck away while taking potshots and screaming to Allah

ATGM's and Javelins/MILANS seem to be working pretty well, but they're few and far between

>>32034352
Nothing will get wrapped up, anon. Maybe less battles and less death, but there's no end in sight.

>>32034360
Daesh getting shit on by a B1 near Kobani after trying to plant a flag

>>32034360
Special deliver from the USAF: A pair of bunker busters reaching their retirement point

ISIS erected a flag on that hill; so as a show of fuck you they bomber two guys to get a point across and waste not want not

>>32034391
Seems like a real messy situation, especially as the fighting starts to carry into city sprawl. I got to wondering how effective some of the alternative warheads for the RPG-7 series would fare against VBIED threats. The shaped charge molten core jet works great against armoured vehicles, but against relatively low armoured vehicles with anti-shaped-charge grating, maybe some less sophisticated rockets would have a better chance of disabling them? From what I've seen, most of the VBIEDs seem to be coated in iron/steel plates and grating.

>>32034360
>>32034409
>>32034466
this

one shit head getting blown to fuck and the other getting his internals turned to liquid

>>32034489
grating isn't all that effective against modern RPG warheads, so it's more just for psychological reassurance. The steel plates are meant to protect against small arms fire, so you tend see those near the windshields, doors, and wheels.

Their primary defense is their speed, but I've seen a couple heavily armored BMPs for large assaults

>>32020786
Is submarine now comrade.

>>32034466
>US spends $10 million removing a flag worth $3

a great battle between the jihadis (who can never really loose) and the US (who can never really win)

>>32033793
Largely unfortified before... They had 2 years to amass defenses, and they did. Eastern Mosul is the least fortified section. Tuuuunnneelllss

>>32033793
It IS fortified. ISIS left behind some hardcore fuckers.
>every time armor tries to push in, it's ambushed and VBIED'd
>they retreat with 50% casualties
>infantry tries to push
>if motorized, see above
>if dismounted, then they get picked apart by snipers, house to house fighting and suicide bombers
>progress is measured in houses at most at the price of a lot of violence
Training would help, but either way Mosul is gonna be a bitch. Someone needs to teach those Iraqis how to use all that motorized equipment they have. Don't know how many vids I've seen where they hit resistance and stop, making them RPG/VBIED bait.

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>>32023608
>its just embarrassing for others at this point

Imagine the fleets 15 years from now

page 9, wow.

>>32035697
Checking in to save the thread. I am going to be gone most of weekend too but I will check in once more before leaving.

Will agree with you. I knew someone who was in the US battle of Mosul as Fallujah 1 was happening. Mosul is a big city first of all. Much bigger than Fallujah. It's dense, urban landscape has narrow alleys and a million places to hide. Think of Mosul like a Iraqi version of Mogadishu.

The truth from him was 25ID barely held on back then. They were close to being overrun. So IS simply have thousands upon thousands of people to hide among. The only way for a quick victory would be to turn the people against IS and with the Iraqi army, Pesh and Shia is not going happen anytime soon. IS was able to terrorize these people to their will.

>>32037203
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbpXyfyHZEc

AFP reporting from Deir ez-Zor, uploaded a few hours ago

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>>32037203
>It's dense
shit yeah it is

It's oldish I know but it's still cool, them nusra making good use of drones and man they had a shit ton of arty for the Aleppo battle

https://youtu.be/SjMo-SWQOaE

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>>32037598
>liberation

>>32034489
>I got to wondering how effective some of the alternative warheads for the RPG-7 series would fare against VBIED threats.
Badly. If you get close enough to hit with an RPG - even if you do, you're still too close.

>>32034489

The improvised armour in the SVBIEDs isn't going to stand up to an RPG-7. The problem is hitting it at a safe range.

Minimally trained Iraqi soldiers won't have had much practice with the RPG-7 against moving targets in stressful situations, and some of those bombs are so huge even 100-200m away isn't exactly a "safe" distance"

>>32034391
20mm autocannons would be useful, there is at least one video of a VBIED attack on BMP-1 that works simply because the 73mm gun missed. A 20mm with a high cyclic rate such as used on the BMP-2 would have given them a much better chance.

>>32038323
>100-200m isn't exactly "safe"

No. No they are not.

There's a very real reason why most of the time, when defending forces see these SVBIED's approaching they'll just ditch posts and run. Lack of effective weapons, marksmanship training, and defensible positions make the concept of holding down that position near guaranteed death.

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Does anyone know more about how the Iraqis are using helicopters?

They seem to be using an Mi-35 + EC635 hunter-killer team in most videos I've seen

>>32037499
Aleppo was dense once too

>>32035697
>every time armor tries to push in, it's ambushed and VBIED'd
This is the scary part : Urban area is the worst since you never see it coming.

>>32038630
They have a lot of drones though that could be used for spotting VBIEDs, but that would require communication and professionalism.
Not that seeing the VBIEDs coming does much good for the Arab folk. I've seen platoon sized elements just abandon their shit and run away when a single car starts heading their way, even if they've got BMPs with guns more than enough to stop an up-armored SUV.

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>>32034360

>>32038653
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r7eNvrTQJM

>>32038640
>Communication and professionalism
See: Money.

>>32038697
Then why are the Saudis still ridiculously inept despite having enough money to buy you as a sex-slave?

>>32038630
To be frank they should light up any moving car.

Its not like VBIED is some new tactic that the "civilians" are ignorant of.

>>32033369
It seems that it is far more important for them to kill off the moderate terrorists first so that the only choice to topple assad for the west is ISIS.
And they are doing just that, killing off the 'rebels'.

>>32038781
>It seems that it is far more important for them to kill off the moderate terrorists first so that the only choice to topple assad for the west is ISIS.

While you are right, the reason for this you name is the one the western media uses.
It just happens that the "moderates" are sitting in positions far more threatening than the IS, so removing them first is just militarily necessary.

>>32020719
ISIS has less.

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>>32038745
it's not even the faking of being civilian, they don't even get a chance to see the car half of the time.

>>32039145
Because they are retarded.

What kind of moron places a convoy there without covering the roads at the back?

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>>32039145
>literally nobody is pulling security
>vehicles sitting in one bunch on a street, people in one small compound

>>32039145
>>32039165

Natural selection. Maybe 3 streets away there is a competent unit that survived such an attack (which of course wouldn't be released by IS as video).

>>32039191
Yeah, probably. The SAA could REALLY do with anti-vehicle mines. 10kg of TNT, ~50g of high explosive and a fuse shouldn't be all that expensive.

>>32039198

Those are ISF, not SAA.

>>32039209
Naturally. Not much of a difference though. Incompetent, corrupt bumblefuck Arabs. These ones just have fancier toys, courtesy of Uncle Sam.

>>32039145

what an idiots

>>32039198

And how do you plan to utilize those anti-vehicle mines while you are on offensive?

Have one guy move them around every time your convoy moves ahead 10 yards?

>>32039222
Yes. Carry them forward and block roads whenever possible, protecting flanks and so forth. I'm sure even Arabs are capable of this.

>>32039211

how are Arabs so stupid at war?

and all the Paliboo spergs think that Arabs could overrun Israel

>>32039247
They are literally guys with AKs driving in jeeps or tanks. Nothing more.

Seeing these "militas" i wonder if 50 guys from the west with "Counter-Strike/CoD-training" could possibly perform worse.

There is that frequently posted "why are arabs losing war"-article/video which explains that in their mindset officers try to keep as much knowledge for themselves to remain important. They don't want their men to know what they know.. because that would mean their men could replace them or something like that. Literally cavemen logics here at work, but you see the results.

These poor guys probably never were told (or shown.. or even trained) how to secure a position properly. They are told to go there and conquer the city, thats it.

>>32039270

It's sad. The CoD "training" at least teaches you that leaving positions exposed like that will get you BTFO. The first video is the worst because it appears literally no one is guarding the compound.

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>>32039270

To be fair to the Iraqi Army, most of them have little relevant training, with it being a newly built army. Mosul is several times bigger than Grozny, and Russia's then conscript army (with a similar number of forces in theatre) suffered disastrous losses trying to take that in the first war, and basically levelled it to avoid anything near a repeat in the second war.

I do think there is some truth to the idea that modern Arab culture isn't conducive to creating an effective modern military capable of large scale combined operations, but blaming it for everything isn't exactly right.

On the world scale I would say that the USA is relatively unusual for being able to carry out these kinds of operations well, rather than Iraq for struggling at it.

>>32039331
>and basically levelled it to avoid anything near a repeat in the second war.

That is the only valid tactic actually.

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>>32029277
Your knowledge of Hungarian history has a few dents.
Do you think the Russians sent their tanks right into the center of Budapest because they wanted Hungary to leave the Warsaw Pact? Is that why the country got under a total fucking lockdown? The communists lost only in 1989 where they were thrown out (partially).

>>32039331
>but blaming it for everything isn't exactly right.
You can safely blame these IED videos for lack of training and experience. The simple fact that they've all bunched up into small, easily eliminated groups with everything, including vehicles just goes to show how poorly prepared they are for this type of combat.

>>32028788
No. The revolution started at the drop of a dime and the US Intelligence services had no trustworthy agents in the area apart from a few translators and paper pushers. Everyone was focusing on East-Germany.

>>32038705
Oil
Tribal shitheads get oil, then they get our money to build towers and cities of glass, they dont learn how to not be savage tribal fucks though
Just look at jordan, one of the only arab countries to listen to the west beyond oil prices

>>32039331
you only have to watch the webms to know that common sense would dictate they watch their asses, instead of sitting on corners without anyone on watch

>>32023608
that's more firepower han the entire fucking Russian Navy.

>>32028696
why should they care if anyone hates them? Especially if it's just a bunch of sand niggers? shekels?

>>32038653
thats late 2014 Kobane, Syria

I'm doing a conference tomorrow on the migrant crisis caused by the war. Do you guys think it would be a fair statement that the war is coming to a close now that Russia has assurances that US under a Trump admin will let them operate. Any estimate on how long it will last? Also from my understanding the urban areas of Syria like Aleppo an Homs have been shelled to shit. Is this true?

>>32040004
>the war is coming to a close

I think that's highly optimistic desu

>>32040066
Would a 5 year timeline be reasonable at the very least?

>>32040120
I guess but at best I think it'll end up in a low level conflict like in afghanistan, with some kind of insurgency remaining

>>32040004
Yes, the divide in teh country will fade away magically, the ruins will be restored and everyone will get along happily while ISIS just vanishes for ever in the desert
Of course not, this war isn't coming to a close, this war hasn't even become a proper guerrilla insurgency yet, people are still dying, BMPs are still popping and buildings are still falling, the only thing that is being brought to a close is syria as a nation

>>32040148
The reason I ask is because if the conflict ends before the migrants have been there for 7 years there is no need to obligation to grant citizenship under EU and UN law.

>>32040172
those laws don't mean shit. In France I think more than 80% of the asylum seekers who have not been granted asylum stay in the country anyway

>>32040172
Don't hold out hope anon
Assuming you're first world, it's more likely that your countries white lower class will become more and more alienated and insulted by their supposed representatives until they snap

>>32040186
I gotta pretend they do for the sake of the conference,but I get your point. The thing is if they are staying there undocumented, it will only take one strong government to start deporting them.

>>32039224
I can totally imagine the last second in the bmp

"Sorry guys I mis..."

>>32040216
Seeing that shot missed make me feel overwhelming sadness for the crew of that thing

>>32040198
We have roughly 3 generations to fix it. I have hope. Winning an ideological war can be done, but it's hard and requires a lot of resources.

>>32040226
wouldn't it have gone off anyway? I assumed they are controlled remotely so the guy doesn't pussy out.

>>32040238
Man it just pisses me off, liars are the worst kind of people, especially when you can prove them wrong but no one will listen
Then you put it on a national scale, just makes it so much worse, you can tell people how and why they're being fed a load of shit all you want but some people just dont wanna listen to anything that doesn't conform to their prior ideals and beliefs

>>32040254
Yeah, just kinda like watching a lion give out a last roar before being killed, or a person trying to get out one last swing before being beaten to death

>>32040270
If you want a model to follow for fixing the problem just look at how the hippy-counter culture basically shifted America to the left through media. We can win it just requires us to be creative. The internet is going to be the media of the 21 st century, so we need to appeal the younger generation when they hit their rebellious years. Most people develop their ideologies based emotion not debate meaning you have to reach them while they are they still impressionable.

>>32040172
They will stay anyway.

Suspension of deportation is the term (at least here in Germany). They simply can stay, because the political will to bring them back is not there.

And its not like there are only Syrians. Even during the peak of the "crisis" almost 40% of the "refugees" came from the Kosovo. They simply stay.

>>32040004
A) We don't yet know what Trump's policy will look like, or how it will be implemented.
B) Russia's campaign has exacerbated the migrant crisis by indiscriminate bombing, and rapid advances by the Syrian military & allies has caused even more displacement.
C) Assuming the rebels/jihadists are mostly suppressed on the battlefield, you very likely have partition, and a long-lasting insurgency at a minimum.
D) Nobody is going home.

Lack of social contract, severe local resentment against Iraqi Shiites and Russian handlers, hampered international aid, infrastructure completely gone and no currency reserves. The country is fucked for the next 20-30 years.

>>32040344
So basically somebody is gonna have to eat this shit sandwich. Well that's disappointing. Hopefully we can force Turkey to deal with it.

>>32039292

i think ISIS of all people did use to train soldiers with Call of Duty

all it would really teach is to move aggressively and look out for places where someone might be shooting from, otherwise i don't think any popular game can make the average person combat aware, clear corners or rooms right or the vastly more complex manouvering in open terrain which requires much more movement.

>>32040368
The shit sandwich will be eaten largely by Moscow and Tehran.
In exchange, they own the country. The Syrian government has already been hollowed out, and the Syrian military barely capable of operating without support. Assad is only a figurehead at this point.

>>32040417
I was talking about the migrants, but ya Syria as country has been fucked for a while now.

>>32040368
>Hopefully we can force Turkey to deal with it.
Turkey is already uncomfortably Islamic and close to Russia. They're putting an awful lot of strain on NATO relations as it is.

>>32040472
>Slowly sever ties with Turkey.
> Allow Russia and Turkey to dog it out
Profit?

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>>32040491
>dog it out
As if. If anything Turkey would deepen relations with Russia, eradicate the West-supported Kurds that are being a pain in the ass for the Russian supported forces as well. If Turkey loses what relations it has with NATO, I don't see why they wouldn't join up with Russia.

>>32040453
The migrants aren't leaving Europe, at least, not in large numbers. Lebanon, Jordan, and Turkey have taken in substantial amounts. They aren't going to take kindly to requests to take even more.
Maybe dangling EU membership in front of Turkey, or legitimating their security interests in Syria might do it. But it's a long shot. I expect most refugees in Europe to remain.

>>32040491
Turkey doesn't need NATO, or the EU. Turkey is a powerful country, and has shown a willingness to move closer to Russia as a result of Western powers supposedly ignoring its concerns.
It won't dog anything out with Russia. Russia, for its part, is keenly interested in ties with the Turks.

>>32040523
Giving EU to Turkey would defeat the purpose because then they would all get EU passports.

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>>32040148
>Yes, the divide in teh country will fade away magically, the ruins will be restored and everyone will get along happily while ISIS just vanishes for ever in the desert

The rebels have been losing almost all of their battles recently, just like they were before Turkey and the Gulf decided to intervene on their behalf. They're just running out of men and materiel.

>Of course not, this war isn't coming to a close, this war hasn't even become a proper guerrilla insurgency yet, people are still dying, BMPs are still popping and buildings are still falling, the only thing that is being brought to a close is syria as a nation

Lebanon and Iraq also went through civil wars, but those countries didn't get partitioned. The winners (Shia) simply took over the rest of the country when the losers (Sunni) were no longer able to resist.

>>32040820
Lebanon didn't face Shia domination in principle; it was able to avoid implosion via Sunni/Christian buy-in. Not everything was fully implemented, but the parties felt enfranchised, which is what matters.
Iraq's civil war is ongoing, and the reconciliation isn't yet clear. But as it stands, the Sunnis can easily make life miserable for the Shia majority if they desire, as they did before. ISIS may die, but the resentment that allowed it to live means its replacement can be right around the corner.

Syria's Sunni majority harbors great resentment towards the Assad government and his non-Syrian allies, and they have ample regional backing. Without addressing their discontent, there's no reason the insurgency doesn't continue for years, even if all territory is nominally controlled by the government, which seems unlikely.

>>32040004
Assad is probably going to stay in power with a US readjustment in policy. However, most of the Syrians who left will not be coming back; life in Europe is too good. The real question will be if the families left behind will also go to Germany or Sweden and whatnot

I'm impressed by the actual civil discussion about migrants.

>>32041008
Well frankly we all agree they are bad. We just disagree on how to deal with them. Normally when someone questions the safety of migrants, liberals just call them racists and shut down discourse.

>>32041046
The impact of them may be bad, but I feel bad calling them personally bad, cause its not like it's their fault. Majority are just regular people fleeing a shit show.

>>32039235
Exactly what you would do with them slap then in sideroads and have guys pull security on them or actually dig them down AND keep tabs on where they are.

T. Miner pro

>>32041057
I agree with that sentiment, but I would like to maintain Europe's culture and security. I would approve of hosting them if asylum didn't lead to citizenship automatically.

>>32041071
FDF?

>>32041097
Europeans are over, europeans dont have to be your audience anymore.

>>32039247

Makes you even wonder how they defeated Persia or the Byzantines in the medieval period.

They're literally drooling retarded.

>>32041155
To be fair they were less insular back in the day and were open to fucking a lot of non-Arab women who may come from more civilized places.

>>32038653
Does it decapitate that guy? That's what it looked like.

>>32041112
but of coursh

minor update

SDF is attempting to seize the town of Tal Saman to the north of Raqqa. This comes as ISIL has recently attempted to take Khunayz Tahtani, which is just a few Km's to the east of Tal Saman, it is presumed that ISIL's offensive on the town failed.

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>>32039230
>>32039224
>>32039211
Moar

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>>32041249

>decapitated guy running away for a bit

What?

>>32023963
Saudis pay a fucking premium for their weapons. They could be using them to kill American troops and they would still be able to buy them. How much money do Saudis and their little emirate friends spend annually on US weapons? They are the biggest contributor to US defense budget of all US friends and allays.

>>32040368
Yeah. I mean, what could go wrong if Turks go full crazy? Its not like there is a large minority in the country that they could kill and expel. If anything west needs to calm Turkey down, get Erdogan to negotiate with Kurds before Turks go all ape and we end up with another 10 million educated, liberal progressives form fucking ME.

>>32020633
>>32035697
British and American special forces are operating alongside Iraqi troops inside Mosul for the first time since the offensive against Islamic State was launched.

The elite US soldiers are in the thick of a gruelling street battle in the besieged Isis stronghold, American military leaders said yesterday. The Times understands that several SAS soldiers are helping their Iraqi counterparts in an advisory role on the ground.

The American special forces units were deployed after the Iraqi army’s advance into the city stalled in the face of suicide bombs, Isis tunnels and rooftop ambushes. They are “in the thick of a very tough battle” with Isis in eastern Mosul, Colonel John Dorrian, the military spokesman in Baghdad, said. “There’s no question that US advisers are in harm’s way.”

Until now US military officials have not been prepared to acknowledge that any American personnel have entered the city. Last week The Times disclosed that Green Berets were set to join the battle in Mosul, as advisers to Iraq’s counter-terrorism service (CTS).

“We do advise the CTS,” Colonel Dorrian said. “They are in the thick of a very tough battle. We remain behind the forward line of troops, it’s not our role to take terrain or close with the enemy, [but] as the Iraqis move, if they need us, we’ll go where they need us.”

He admitted that there was “a significant amount of danger”, especially in the east as the CTS moved into the city. Colonel Dorrian said that once the city was taken, Isis would “be back to being a garden-variety terrorist group”.

>>32042373
The United States has several thousand troops in total in Iraq, supposedly in an advisory capacity. An Iraqi intelligence source indicated last month that a few dozen British special forces would play a key role in the assault on Mosul.

The SAS has been co-ordinating airstrikes and advising the Kurdish peshmerga forces and Iraqi government troops. Iraqi army officers have admitted that their troops are not experienced in the close urban warfare necessary to drive Isis out of Mosul, which with 1.5 million inhabitants is the most heavily populated of its

strongholds.

Though outnumbered, Isis has proved tactically astute, using a 45-mile network of tunnels to launch surprise attacks on Iraqi troops.

A mortar round killed seven civilians in the city yesterday, including three children. The attack came a month after the start of the coalition assault on the city and its surrounding villages. By yesterday, the advancing forces had taken about a third of the city to the east of the Tigris river.

>>32042386

Iraqi government forces said they were pausing because of poor weather and visibility. To the west, Iranian-backed Shia militias advanced to within three miles of Tal Afar, a staging post between Mosul and the Syrian border. They are trying to cut the Isis supply line and escape route to Raqqa, where a US-backed force led by the YPG, the Syrian Kurdish militia, and some local Arab groups is also advancing.

The US-led coalition has been bombing in support of Shia militias, a practice once unthinkable but increasingly common as the war creates new allies.

The increasing involvement of US forces in the battle zones is likely to become a hot political issue in Washington over the next few weeks.
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Gareth Browne, Hassan Sham camp near Mosul

As she stumbled along the perimeter fence, Sabha, 50, occasionally stopped to rest her face on the chain-link barrier around Hassan Sham camp and...
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Isis tunnels turn battle for Mosul into a ‘nightmare’

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Iraqi forces trying to recapture Mosul have been stymied by Islamic State child snipers lying in wait in a “city of tunnels” that are wide enough...
November 11 2016
Villagers tell of revenge attacks by Iraqi forces

Richard Spencer, Middle East Correspondent

Civilians who hid from Islamic State as the jihadists retreated from villages south of Mosul were tortured and killed by pro-government forces...

Iraqi government forces said they were pausing because of poor weather and visibility. To the west, Iranian-backed Shia militias advanced to within three miles of Tal Afar, a staging post between Mosul and the Syrian border. They are trying to cut the Isis supply line and escape route to Raqqa, where a US-backed force led by the YPG, the Syrian Kurdish militia, and some local Arab groups is also advancing.

The US-led coalition has been bombing in support of Shia militias, a practice once unthinkable but increasingly common as the war creates new allies.

The increasing involvement of US forces in the battle zones is likely to become a hot political issue in Washington over the next few weeks.
Share
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‘We sleep soundly at last’: Mosul families split by Isis are reunited

Gareth Browne, Hassan Sham camp near Mosul

As she stumbled along the perimeter fence, Sabha, 50, occasionally stopped to rest her face on the chain-link barrier around Hassan Sham camp and...
November 15 2016
Isis tunnels turn battle for Mosul into a ‘nightmare’

Gareth Browne, Mosul | Richard Spencer, Middle East Correspondent, Beirut

Iraqi forces trying to recapture Mosul have been stymied by Islamic State child snipers lying in wait in a “city of tunnels” that are wide enough...
November 11 2016
Villagers tell of revenge attacks by Iraqi forces

Richard Spencer, Middle East Correspondent

Civilians who hid from Islamic State as the jihadists retreated from villages south of Mosul were tortured and killed by pro-government forces...
November 11 2016