choose new US military rifle

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>>32004497

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>memepup

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Mossberg 464 SPX in 30-30

>>32004553
>Colt revolvers replace M9

>>32004530
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>>32004497
>>32004511

>Hey soldier, here's your Kel-Tec
>Kills self

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>>32004497
>reliable
>RFB
>reliable

>>32004511
... alright the RDB wasn't complete shit by comparison.

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>>32004610
Uh huh, where's your RFB?

>Recommending Kel-Tec for US troops
>Ayatollah pls go.

I say we all just go back to spears and swords. Warfare had style back then.

>>32004497
HK33
>Clone built by PTR

>>32004497

In all honestly, LSAT Rifle.

LSAT LMG is all but confirmed at this stage, the logical conclusion is an LSAT rifle that shares parts and ammo.

It could even be bullpup with a very rear-set magazine, since the LSAT action uses a pivoting chamber with no rearward recoil.

>>32004619
>where's your RFB?
In reviews anyone can read online.

The ejection is novel, but the failures of said actual mechanism in the chamber (catastrophic failure like it was made in china out of pot metal), and the difficulties in keeping the actual ejection tube moving were numerous and alarming.

The RDB didn't have any of these issues, and isn't as complicated, and is so dead simple you wonder why it wasn't made 100 years earlier.

biggest problem with kel-tec would be they would only be able to produce like 1 gun per squad,
it would be like in WWII russia where one guy is given a gun and the rest just get ammo and
pick up the gun after the first guy dies

The fuck is up with keltecs manufacturing volume anyway

>>32004497
honestly the rdb is the only good choice

Same ammo and magazines which is the biggest deal

I'm sure a contract would significantly decrease the price of each unit

Although I can totally see them flipping out about a non adjustable LOP

>>32004640
Holy shit, source please. I love the LSAT program but have not seen any news about it in a long time.

>>32004633
This, with the magwell of the G41 and the cocking tube of the HK36, among other things.

>>32004604
Lold.

Steyr AUG (the stanag compatible one) or the new Australian AUG clone (redesigned to take stanag mags)
Longer, Heavier barrel version for LMG role
Pistols should be off the shelf and self bought if they want to carry one. Must be from a list of approved pistols, (SIG, Glawk, S&W, etc.)
>>32004822
What is this?

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A refined variant of the K2.

>>32004970
>Worst Koreans
fuckers can't even make a stereo or a phone that works

>>32004789
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2016armament/18325_Phillips.pdf

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/09/28/back-future-textron-displays-newest-polymer-cased-telescoped-firing-rifle/

>>32004943
Looks like a Leader T2 with wood furniture.

>>32004764
They have a bunch of employees that are about half a step above the average McDonald's employee in both the give a shit and ability departments since most of them aren't machinists to begin with. They also make changes as they find problems which eats up output BUT they are increasing the size of the facility and working on getting better employees

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So we do like everyone else and dust of the AR-18 and upgrade the fuck out of it until it's pretty much just the action and may well or we hotrod the mini-14 into a milspec M5A2 Folsom or Mk.6

>>32004511
Is this thing even real? I watched a video forever ago saying they'd be released in 2016 and they're pretty much still non-existent.

Is the RDB just vaporware?

>>32006072
Pretty much every Kel Tec product is Vaporware on account of their low production volume. You can pretty much only get then second hand

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>>32004497
The cartridge is the big roadblock.

Maybe an LMT manufactured rifle (not ar-15) built from the ground up around 6.5x45 SAW or 6.5x43 German (6.5 Creedmoor is just a little too long and 6.5 grendel is just a little too fat). I'm thinking 3 lug triangular bolt. HK 416 piston design.

I dunno, something that looks like this maybe, as long as it functions right.

>>32006249
btw, 6.5 cartridge because sometimes you have to fight at longer ranges and also sometimes you have to win a firefight before a force multiplier can do its job and also sometimes you need your enemy's cover to merely be concealment.

>>32006254
Plus that 95-120gr range leaves a decent amount of room for experimentation. Goddamn I wish 7.62x45 had become standard instead but that's used by nobody. Fucking magwell restrictions man.

>>32004604
What, by hanging? I have a Keltec and I doubt is would even make an adequate suicide gun.

>>32005213

Sounds great but that 20rd mag seems like a big downside.

The AR style platform is here to stay for the foreseeable future.

Sure, there are rifles which are probably better (SCAR-L, HK 416, etc), but it's really unlikely that the US would ever adopt a rifle not made in the states.

Desire for a different cartridge may drive for something new, but expect all the other NATO countries to start screaming bloody murder about standardization.

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u.s military rifle needs to conform to berry compliance. DT MDR is such a rifle.

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>>32006072
Very real

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>>32006648
Vaporware
Said it would be out 2 Years ago, said it would be out last year, and this year
It won't come out

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>>32006672
I know Should have mentioned the M17s aswell. RFB is a good rifle just wish they made a better aftermarket for it. Aftermarkets make the firearm.

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At one point weren't we going to try and replace the m16 with this?

A 10/22
If you need anything more then this you're a pussy.

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>>32006770
When 4chan baits less.

>>32006783
Wasn't actually baiting though, weren't we genuinely considering it?

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>>32004497
>uses standard ammunition

Opinion discarded. At this point the change in small arms can only be justified by a change in ammunition.

>>32006808
and with it a change away from the god awful disposable stanag magazine

please give us something that locks on the front and rear of the feeding parts of the magazine, whether it be push button or rock n lock, no more variable feed ramp or 'enhanced performance magazine' bullshit

>>32006808
Pretty aesthetic, anon. For some reason I've always wanted that configuration with brass studs in the stock and some feathers hanging off the back and a long eye relief scout scope.

>>32006804
the polymer design was inadequate for long term range use. Plastic foregrip literally melts after too much sustained fire almost like a fish out of water...

Honestly just get SCARs in 6.5x40 or 6.8 SPC and be done with it. They would probably see you through until the advent of lasers.

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>>32006937
Too fat, neck down to 6mm and youve got a seriously slick cartidge at that point.

>>32004619
Could we get a couple more bolts in there?

This is what happens when an Erector set rapes an AUG.

>>32006634

You are now aware that FN got the contract for the M4A1s

>>32006010
> shit tier "skilled" employees
> changing specs as they go
> "getting better Real Soon Now"

It's been like this the days of the P-32 and P-3AT.

>>32006973
Dont they also make like almost all the belt fed weapons we use too?

>>32006973
>You are now aware that FN got the contract for the M4A1s

Huh.

Is this the first time in a while the military adopted a rifle for standard issue not made in the US?

>>32007011
But they are made in the US
This might be news anon, but foreign companies can have manufacturing facilities in the US

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A man can dream

>>32007011
FN got the contract because they blew Colt's bid clean out of the water. FN also does have US based manufacturing plants, mostly to get around annoying import laws.

>>32004497
Fuck you, I would say an M4A2 with Keymod free float, adjustable gas block, and a two stage trigger.

>>32006997

The M249 is the FN Minimi and the M240 is the FN MAG, so yeah.

>>32007011

All US military contracts fulfilled by FN are produced by FN-America who's plants are in the US.

Also FN is basically half American since they are an amalgamation of both old FN Herstal and Browning.

We need an ak platform that fires the new 6mm creedMoor cartridge

>>32006653
Mmm me likey

>>32007168
They also own URAC/Winchester guns

>>32005121
Kim Jong Un pls go.

>>32004497
Pedersen with detachable mags.
>Not expensive
>Standard caliber
>'Merican

Fuck it, Mini-14.

>>32004497
For infantry, some ar10 variant, probably armalite since their shit is pretty good.
For non infantry, 10/22 take downs, and/or a mossberg 500 standard.

Handgun would be glock 19 gen 4, or cz75 compacts depending on safety requirements.

This would save the military billions.

In a dream scenario i would have every m16 and m4 rechambered for .243win, but that wont happen.

>>32007271

What are the ballistics and benefits of .243win?

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Modernize it, chamber it in 5.56 or some special snowflake intermediate. Give one or two extended mags to each soldier so that any member of the squad can temporarily act as an automatic rifleman, meaning that the IAR concept would actually work.

As it's basically a Lewis Gun it's probably American enough

>>32007271
Why should infantry use the heavier and more expensive 308?

>>32007371
But we did use a modernized and upgraded version of that, it was called the M60

>>32004656
I have both. The RFB isn't that complicated, especially when compared to the RDB. Only the dual extractor setup is really """complicated""", otherwise it's essentially a FAL tipping bolt system.

>>32006039
This

>>32007832
Idk why we're not using the mini in this scenario the 580 series has heavy barrels and really good irons.

>>32006868

The melty plastic was replaced easily, they didn't adopt the XM-8 because it would have been a zillion dollar sidegrade.

>>32006834
>rock'n'lock
>any year

>>32006593

Why couldn't the magazine be extended to 30?

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>>32007042
Hell yeah, I loved that thing. Resistance was one of the last vidyagames I played before I stopped and it was a nice one to end on, something about it just really made me like it. I think it did a good job of getting the bleakness of the setting and situation across.

That rifle was my favorite, I always used in even in the face of better weapons; not that it wasn't actually very good itself.

>>32004511
i looked on gunbroker yesterday,there were alot of RFBs for around 1500 and a few RDBs for 1800+

>>32006672
it seems to be coming out for REALSIES next year in March ish. Go on their youtube and they have a working unit, apparently theyve been trying to purge as many faults from it as possible recently

FN has been making guns in the US since 1981.

>>32006634
We will see shifts to heavier calibers or novel weapon systems when our rifles fail to pierce their armor. when everyone has cheaper, lighter Level IV carries we may see a change

but until we reach an era where everyone dresses like Level III or Level IV stormtroopers, we will see the AR stay.

>>32004943
What about making AUG clone that can be quickly converted to magazine-fed LMG via barrel swap?

>>32006808
>At this point the change in small arms can only be justified by a change in ammunition.
Pretty much this.

Even then it's likely that new cartridge won't change the rifles mechanically, unless it'll be caseless which is still science fiction though.

>>32004497
realistically we're probably just gonna upgrade the m16 eventually. right? I dunno in what way exactly, but doesn't that seem most logical.

>>32007553
I guess the reason for it would be body armour and higher combat ranges, with the advantage over things like 6.8SPC being - .308 is widely used.

>>32008417
RDBs spiked hard around the election.

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>>32008694
Glad I got mine in October.

>>32006249
No matter what cartridge is chosen to replace 5.56, it should still be able to utilize STANAG mags even if the replacement for M16/M4 doesn't.

My vote is for something like .277 wolverine. This allows for easy retrofit of existing rifles (literally just a barrel swap, same mags can be used). .277 wolverine is also incapable of chambering in 5.56 chambered guns so this would make it more appealing to brass worried about stupid grunts using ammo that could make the gun blow up.

>>32008889
It'll be a while before I can consider it.

>>32008889
let us know when you hit a high round count on that thing pls, if it performs well id consider getting one

>>32009186
Get it anyways. Worst comes to worst you can always sell it for what you paid.

>>32004970
this

>>32004749
>call of duty fag

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>>32004497
Just modify it to fire 5.56.

>>32007889
It's a big round, it's just as wide as current 7.62 but is shorter and lighter. Since the cased telescoping cartridge is a cylinder, you get a straight magazine from stacking them.

The 6.5 they are testing has considerably more KE than 7.62 NATO. 3.4 Kj muzzle energy and keeps it a lot better than 7.62 NATO.

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>>32006834
>disposable stanag magazine
>wanting rock and lock instead
Well memed friend.

>>32006949
>>32006937
I'd sell all my ARs to buy a SCAR in 6x40mm

SCAR

>>32004553
Holy kek
Thanks for the laugh

>>32004604
>high energy
Kek

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The ak

>>32008368
That sling mount looks uncomfortable.

Emotional manipulation.

My troops will intentionally get captured, then hurt their captor's feelings and cause them to defect.

They'll be trained in multiple languages, Advanced GayDar, GASLite, Bait&Switch, and Pointman Belittlement.

>>32004497

SCAR 17

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>>32014778
>we'll just drop pamphlets over enemy troops informing them about how they contribute to rape culture and how they need to check their privilege
top lel

It would be cool if the LSAT rifle was bullpup.

>>32004497
SCAR or GALIL

>>32009862
That really happened tho

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>>32006808
>SCRs become standard issue
The idea pleases me.

>>32004640
Hey, care to share images or description of mechanism? So far I've only come across pics of the old G11 type chamber, but hat doesn't seem to be it.

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>>32015045
Holy fuck what is that unearthly beauty?!

>>32004656
A quick search turns up exactally the opposite of that, so why so salty about a rifle that you have never shot?

>>32006808
>M5 RAS
the presence of that handguard will always double how nice a rifle looks

>>32004553
holy shit they had one of those by my LGS before they closed.

>>32004822
thats pretty cool looking. would look and function better if the front sight were closer to the muzzle. and a bayonet. a sword bayonet

scar or aug a3 are the only legitimate options

>>32004970
I cant imagine how much of a pain in the ass that mustve been.

But god dammit it looksgood.

>>32013667
But, Anon, OP explained that he wants an American-made weapon, not something that actually works in all conditions, and is squaddie-proof.

>>32017047
>just male ak platform instead of ar
>profit
>???
>profit

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F2000.
>Grunts get basic bitch.
>Operators get gucci ones.
>SC20k's when?

>>32017047
>all conditions
All except mud that is