Russia Already Loses Naval MiG-29K In Crash Over Syria

Is a failing aircraft something special?

>>31996400
A brand new jet from a nearly 3 decades old design?

Yes. Shows severe quality control issues that couldn't be fixed even after so many years. MiG is a fucking joke.

>>31996421
Well, following this logic Super Hornet is shit too, and McDouglas is a joke. Am i following you correctly?

>>31996400
Over sustained periods of operation where the chances of mechanical fault increase over time, no. But on brand new, factory fresh planes? That is a very big deal.

>>31996434
no, you fucking retard, it's the fact that these kinds of failures persist on a design they've had so much time to refine.

>>31996434
Most of the Navy's Super Hornets are around a decade old at this point, and if this article is true, then the MiG-29 that crashed was straight off the factory floor.

>>31996390
oh look, another one of these threads. you do realize naval air ops are extremely dangerous, right?

>>31996445
But McDouglas had plenty of time to refine the design too, i do not see how the logic does not apply here. And what kind of failures are you talking about? You know what kind of failure happened? Please do tell.

>>31996451
Oh look another vatnik. You do realize its ok to criticize certain aspects of the russian military, right?

>Americans running carrier ops 24/7
>almost never lose a plane
>Russians do it once
>lose a plane

lmao

>>31996455
There is a difference between a decade old f-18 and a brand spanking new MiG-29

>>31996390
SO fucking useless

>>31996445
So F-15 is shit. Got it.

>>31996476
Oh sure they did not crash before. Oh they did, even when they were not decade old. And thats even without considering the fact that USN has massive advantage in experience.

Russiaboo damage control incoming. I can see it now.

>RUSSIAN HARDWARE IS INFALLIBLE

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>>31996500
You're right. Russia's navy and quality control totally aren't trash. ;)

>>31996500
>Oh they did, even when they were not decade old.
They didn't. Can't wait to see the T-50 drop dead on its first few hours.

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Nice to see the Russians are keeping to their traditions!

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>>31996875

>>31996390
Slav engineering - it either works like a charm for all eternity or it fails as soon as you push the "on" button, no in between.

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>>31996875
>>31996885
DELET

>>31996913
good engineering for slavs isnt that stuff works forever without a problem but for it to be easy to fix.

but what was the cause of the loss anyway? landing accident, mechanical failure? drunk flying?

>India tells Russia Mig-29K is unfit for service
>Russian Mig-29K crashes on 2nd sortie

top kek.

>>31996390
>burgershit crashes, no one cares
>mig crashes - time to make a thread
Why are burgers so insecure?

>>31997275

I would ask the same of vatniks in every single F-35 thread.

You think this will be the first Mig to crash on this voyage?

Get ready for a wild ride.

>>31997040
The best part about this was the Russian insistence that everything was absolutely fine and that it was all their fault.

Turns out that Russian stuff is garbage.

>>31997275

Bullshit. The last thread about an engine fire on a F-35 had more than 150 replies and a shitload of vatniks and fiddy cent shitposting.

I wonder if it crashed due to pilot error.

Also I didn't realize Su-33s got modernized, that's neat.

Flankers are just superior to Fulcrums in every way. I love them both, but the Flanker is a geniunly good aircraft, where as the MiG-29 has only known suffering.

You're all fucking retarded.

But why exactly?

Did the pilot just fuck up something? It was a mechanical error from maintenance? A design flaw? Everything?

>>31996390
Hue hue hue, even more proof that Russia should just stay at the kiddie table

>>31997429
It took off, the pilot realized there was a mechanical fault, so he turned around to try and land and crashed.

Might have been the fault, might have been that the Mig-29 pilots are all new, might have been both.

>>31996885
>>31996875
This would seem very embarrassing for any nation that called itself an Empire.

>>31996472
wouldn't that make sense?

>>31996390
Accidents happen. Naval aviation is difficult and dangerous.

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two major military power fuck up in one week
nice

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>Pilot takes off
>Poorly maintained engine fails
>Tries to return to the carrier
>Can't land because too much smoke on the way
>Crashes

>implying it wasn't the first kill of the new ultrastealthy nanomissile of the US Navy

>>31996421
It doesn't say whether it was a mechanical failure or not
Pilot error accounts for a good number of aircraft crashes, so it could just be drunk slav pilots being retarded

>>31997676

Actually multiple sources state this.

>pilot with practically 0 experience in carrier operations crashed his plane
>loool russia doomed, murrica strong

Granted, this cruise of Kuznietsow is political gimmick and ruskies have a well known history of neglecting procedures and safety but the reactions of muurifats are beyond ridiculous. You are no different than vatniks

>>31996875
FUCKIN IMPERIAL NAVY REEEEEEEEEE

>>31997606
>implying US Navy trained killer dolphins didn't jump out of the water and down the Mig with their bottled noses

>>31997748

>Reports of mechanical failure
>Launching carrier ops with pilots not trained for carrier ops

Where is that picture with "slavs aren't subhuman" and "Russian equipment is good just poorly crewed"?

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>>31996390

I am not think it this like being, /k/omrades, but is.

>>31997748
I don't really blame the Mig-29. This is a fresh squadron with fresh pilots, it was dumb to have the first deployment of the Kuz with Mig-29s onboard be a combat deployment. Notice how the Marines are having the first "real" deployment of the F-35B on a Wasp be to Japan, where they're just going to fly training missions with the JASDF most likely. The Russians only did this because they needed something able to drop PGMs because they're forcing the Kuz to do something it was never meant to actually do, so they rushed everything. But no, I don't blame the plane.

>>31997930
Or look at the photo that compared the Kuz Boiler to the Lao's.

Shits poorly maintained

>>31996390
Hope the pilot(s) survived. At the very least, the Russian Navy clams to have recovered him/them, alive or not.

> plane crashes
> no details yet available
> but that's enough for armchair experts to start throwing blame
I hope you all get cancer. Your mom gets hit by a truck. Your dad falls into an open sewer and drowns. Your waifus die in a fire. Your dog gets shot by the ATF. Fuck you.

>>31996390

It's a feature.

>>31998008

Wew laddy we got a mad vatty.

>>31997838
that is the fake accout

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>>31998008
>that's enough for armchair experts to start throwing blame

Welcome to /k/, truly magical place. Enjoy your stay.

>>31998008
>Your mom gets hit by a truck.
Died 4 years ago
>Your dad falls into an open sewer and drowns.
Died 5 years ago
>Your waifus die in a fire.
Fire elementals laugh at your plane
>Your dog gets shot by the ATF.
Joke's on you, I have a cat
>Fuck you.
Just like your country did to that poor pilot

>>31997565
>it was the only KUBR the slav carrier took with him

oh shit my sides

Everything after Mig-27 was a mistake.

>>31998247

It WAS hot off the fucking line!

AHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAH

WE ARE ACTUALLY TESTING AN AMPHIBIOUS PLANE XAXAXA

>>31998324
How did the test go?

>>31998340
IT HAS YET TO RESURFACE

>>31996500

The US Navy operates 314 F/A-18 Hornets and 342 F/A-18E/F Super Hornets.

The Russian Navy operates 24 carrier-based Mig 29s. Er, now 23. And these were all ordered in 2010, they're all only a few years old.

If US F/A-18s failed at the rate of Russia's Mig 29s, we'd have ~28 at the bottom of the ocean.

>>31998399
Is now submarine.

>>31998414
Actually, the KUBR's was delivered earlier this year.

>>31996421
Even fucking algeria refused to take the damn thing.

>be algeria
>bought russkie planes
>russkie tried to jew algeria by selling old Migs to algeria
>russkie isn't a jew and algeria saw that shit coming mile away
>refused to take delivery and asked for Su-30MKA instead
>russkie air force is forced to absorb them reject migs into their inventory

What a joke

>>31998247
And they were using it for tanking and EW duties.

So now they have neither of these things.

>>31996390
Clearly, they have yet to integrate it with the rubber curtain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ShACteRduY

>>31997313
>>31997397
>Comparing Fulcrum to F-35
Why are burgers so insecure?

>>31998466
That's not what happened though. Some factory supplied MiG with shitty product and then got fucked for it later. Algeria is still using their Fulcrums and are perfectly glad with them.

>>31996421
MiG is a big fat mess!

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>>31998485
LEL

>>31998418
IT ISNT FULLY OPERATIONAL YET. IT CAN ONLY GO DOWN BUT NOT UP

>>31998668

Russian sub goes deepest.

>>31996400
If a F-35 loses one unimportant screw, we got like 3 threads about it, so i guess we can have this one.

>>31997748
I wonder if we'll see similar things once the QE starts flight ops with F-35s. Some British pilots have been training in Hornets on US carriers so they can keep up experience, but I wonder if the experience will necessarily transfer.

>>31996390
Nah it works, he learned that they are lowering Vodka rations.

>>31998977
You're making me want to know how many "accidents" are actually pilot suicides. Like that German pilot from a few years back.

>>31998945
Vertical landing and actual reliable engines with good maintenance will surely have a large effect. Not really comparable.

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>>31998945

There's been a mix of training between conventional and STVOL, however the F-35 pilots for QE will be extremely experienced and well trained in VTOL, STVOL and SRVL by the time that QE comes to working up.

Is the pilot ok?

>>31998977
He got lost in the Kutznesov "fog" while landing.

https://news.usni.org/2016/11/14/russian-carrier-mig-29k-fighter-crashes-mediterranean-shows-potential-gaps-capability
>While no fighters launching from the carrier have dropped ordnance on targets, an official told USNI News that six Sukhoi Su-33s that entered the region on the carrier, have left the ship and are operating from land striking targets near Aleppo.
kek

>>31999283
>According to Combat Aircraft magazine, a search and rescue helicopter from the carrier recovered the pilot who ejected from the aircraft.

>>31999321
>While no fighters launching from the carrier have dropped ordnance on targets

Well that's just embarrassing.

>>31999321
We knew from the start the carrier being there was pointless. They always could have just moved more fighters to air bases in Syria. Literally the only reason the Kuz is there is so people remember it exists (such as it is).

>>31998485
HOLY SHIT

(I need to play more Arma)

>>31999321
But mah ramps!

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People so easily forget how fucking hard it is to do what the US has been doing for like 50 years.

Fucking Russia, a military power, has difficulty just getting its fleet to Syria and running carrier operations.

It has trouble launching cruise missiles and just getting them to reach Syria . It can't even drop munitions and accurately strike targets in uncontested air space.

>that one time a single Nimitz carrier launched nearly 1000 sorties and still had enough juice to continue fighting for 12 more hours without needing to be resupplied

>That one time the US moved 3.1 million pieces of equipment from Iraq to Afghanistan in like 3 months

>etc, etc etc

It's unbelievable how well the US military moves around considering its gargantuan size.

>>31999321
>>According to Combat Aircraft magazine, a search and rescue helicopter from the carrier recovered the pilot who ejected from the aircraft


NATO ships also offered their assistance but the Russian Navy declined.

>>31996390
WE WUZ GREAT POWA N SHIEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

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>>31998414
>If US F/A-18s failed at the rate of Russia's Mig 29s, we'd have ~28 at the bottom of the ocean.
>https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/dblist.php?AcType=F18
Well over 28. Carrier aviation is dangerous, losing one aircraft (a trainer, no less) is hardly an indication of anything. If another MiG-29 or Su-33 crashes this deployment you could probably start making some judgements.

>>32003050
To be fair, with aviation stuff, a class C is like popping a tire or punching a tiny hole in a bulkhead. Hell, probably worse.

>>32003050
>dmg
>w/o
>w/o
>w/o
...

OK then.

>>31996390
Russian engineering - the best AA.

>>31997399
>Flankers are just superior to Fulcrums in every way.

This is as stupid as saying the F-15 is superior to the F-16 in every way. It is simultaneously wrong and ignorant.

>>32005603

(Not same Anon).

In a way they have a point. The F-16 manages to have significant cost advantages compared to the F-15 (especially by being single engine) while still having a respectable payload and range. Add in the fact that the Mig-29 hasn't been upgraded since the USSR anywhere near as much as the Flanker family has, and it's hard to argue that a Mig-29 has any advantages over a modernised Flanker once you factor capability to your valuation

If the Mig-35 stays funded we might see a worthy Fulcrum counterpart to the modern F-16, but the Mig-29 as it stands isn't it.

>>31998414

There's been 22 thus far.

Only 6 to go !

>>32005745

>I wasn't including USMC F/A 18s in my tabulations

That's another 273. So we're looking at 929 F/A-18s and derivatives over the course of decades. This is one Mig 29 variant that's only a year or two old. Out of just 24.

>>32003050
You have no idea how easy it easy to do to do a couple million dollars damage, having a bird go up the intake with will do that. Hell we had a guy not to long ago drop a million dollars worth avionics gear of the back of a tow motor that wasn't properly secured.

>>31996390
Admiral Kuznetsov? I thought the russian carrier in the Mediterranean is called Nikolay Chiker?

>>31998485
Fuckin' Beaglerush. Great man.