No memes, what is the most reliable handgun and why?

>>31986906
you will get lots of differing opinions.

Glock pistols are known for their reliability. don't go for Taurus, they're known for quality control issues.

>>31986906
The Makarov because it's the most reliable handgun

hi-point

>>31986906
glock 19

/thread

>>31986906
Fuck you Jampen

HK mk23
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_Mark_23

>Three pistols went through a 30,000-round endurance test and maintained accuracy of 2.5 in (64 mm) at 25 meters; only the O-ring needed replacement after 20,000 rounds.

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Glock 19

Glock is the platinum standard.
>something about their design just works more often than pretty much any other ever made
>tolerances are loose enough that they're rarely stopped by dirt/lint/carbon/etc
>^also loose enough to work well in all weather considering thermal expansion and contraction and humidity
>extremely simple internals, less parts to fail
>extensive aftermarket available to fix the very few operational (not subjective, faggots) flaws it has
>>can buy metal sights to replace stock plastic sights that fall out
>>metal magazine extensions to aid in magazine ejection in case the mag is so retardedly dirty that it doesn't fall free
>>less than stellar barrel can be replaced with more accurate options if you think slightly less accuracy is an operational flaw
>>different springs if you consistently, or cannot stop due to medical shit, limp wrist the gun

It's the best ratio of reliability, accuracy, magazine capacity, and weight that you could ever hope to find.

Sig and M&P guns are more or less just as reliable, but have a handful of extra small parts and springs that could fail before the glock which doesn't have those same parts. In sig's case at least, it's very good but its just much heavier for exactly what the glock does.

>>31987059
>replace stock sights that fall out

Ive never heard of this happening? I have over 6000 rounds through my gen 3 and I've never had sights fall out

>>31986906
There are thousands of handguns, both semi-autos and revolvers, that can withstands years of use and abuse and never jam or fail.

So to answer your question: it's a huge tie between hundreds of different guns.

>>31986906
The one you shoot best with.

>>31987059
>>tolerances are loose enough that they're rarely stopped by dirt/lint/carbon/etc

learn the difference between tolerance and clearance. tolerances are the min. and max. allowed deviation for a given part from a blue print specified nominal dimension. Clearance is the "slack" between two parts that's engineered into the machine. Take the rails of the slide and the frame. They have very tight tolerances on their dimensions but they also have enough slack=clearance engineered into them. in short: Glocks are precision manufactured machines with tight tolerances which allows you to throw random Glock parts together and and up with a functional gun.

>>31986906

based off of testing data gathered the title is currently held by the Mark 23

>>31987035

this, no other pistol has been subjected to this kind of torture and passed.

>>31987035
so why does everyone not buy one?

>>31987170
>>31987159
pfft noobs. corbon ammo has a glock with 600k rds through it. but ofc HK fukkbois have to show up screaming "Me too! Me too!" in every single one of these threads.

>>31987035
>>31987159
>>31987170
Samefaggot that has a mk 23 buyers remorse

glock is pretty much your workhorse. never really understood the hate they get
>even on their worst day the fun-switch will still go bang
>variety of sizes and calibers for every situation
>the largest aftermarket of parts for handguns

at the end of the day if you find a piece that's comfortable for you, learn to clean/lube/maintain it and it'll be just as reliable as anything else

>>31986906
Bersa

You'll never find anything more reliable than a Bersa

>>31987436
what a shitty gun

>>31987506
how come

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Not the VP9, that's for sure. Miserably failed MAC's simple torture test twice in a row now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhUZa_q20Os&t=0s

>>31986906
TC/E Contender G2.
It goes bang every time.

I am not a Glock fan, but I must admit - after ROing a GSSF match last month, 500 competitors shot multiple Glocks each, and multiple strings of fire, and - at least on my stage - not a single malfunction.

>>31986928
And even if you get a good Taurus, they use cheap materials that easily break.

>>31986906
Colt Police Perfection goes boom every time I hit the bang switch.

>>31986906
>most reliable handgun
>why
>>31986983
>glock 19
>thread
Typical uneducated glock-boy

>>31986906
Revolver.

>>31987182
Because it's fucking huge and costs $3000.

>>31986906
Single action revolvers are the most reliable.

glock for semi
smith for revolvers

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>>31987059
Everyone is trying so hard to not say 1911.

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>>31986906
For what purpose? I'd say one of Ruger's single action revolvers would probably be the most reliable handgun, bar some manner of single-shot falling block design. I still wouldn't carry one.

>>31987203
I love my mk 23
but i got it for $600 and 1500 rnds of m855

>>31988016
10's and 40's tend to do that

besides just "x gun has NEVER failed me," maks are probably the most reliable because they're made well and blowback is probably the most reliable system inherently.

>>31987982
$1800 actually

i got one from buds for $1770 once, excellent pistol. I believe its worth the price.

>>31988086
And Gen 1&2 especially the 10mm's

>>31988016
2 of those have aftermarket barrels

>>31987059
>>31986906
Glock is the Toyota Corolla of guns. it's good. it will get you from a to b. it won't do it the fastest, the most comfortably; but it won't cost you the most either. you can rice it up, keep it stock, or try to convince people it's a luxury ride.

if it's your first gun, get it. shoot it a lot, then get something better that suits you specifically.

>>31987157
fucking this.
as a mechanical engineer this annoys the bejeezus out of me

>>31987515
Fit and finish are just okay, and it's obvious as soon as you handle one. However, ethos are actually excellent, and it's still a super fun gun.

>>31988755
*ergos

>>31986906
if you take the navy seals and marine corps, and soon likely most of nato's word for it, Glock 17 or 19

ruger american

>>31988016
If you're gonna lump every available modern 1911 pattern pistol together, it does not deserve the title. They're kind of like rescue animals.

>they need so much love

>RIA
>500 round break-in period
>Cycles and fires 99% of the time, doesn't have problems frequently enough for me to diagnose and address them.
>Can't go shooting often enough to form a statistically valid opinion of the pistol's performance

>inb4 1911 die-hards telling me it's my fault for going cheap.

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>>31986906
The one you're the most intimately familiar with inside and out

/thread

>>31986928
My gf has a Taurus pt 24/7 pro C, it's been used for a couple years now, probably about 1500 rounds through it, still functioning fine and it's never had issues. Eats anything I'll feed it. It's not glamorous and the weird stupid fucking plastic ribbing on the grip has somewhat come off, but the thing does work and Taurus does have a lifetime guarantee on their firearms. IMO their newer stuff has better QC. There are better guns for sure, but I think a Taurus will still do the job if that's what someone has.

Not the glock holy shit you guys are new. Glocks have had a shit ton of problems. Pig nosing, literally exploding, still not working with some weapon lights, still not working if you don't hold them super tight... they're more like the bronze standard now, especially considering they lack a lot of modern features. A lot of LEAs are switching to the FNS or FNX platform, meaning that's the gold standard. Agencies know what to look for, like metal mags, ambi controls for their left handed officers, etc. The glock just doesn't compete with its competitors anymore.

Also, the most reliable certainly isn't going to be a polymer gun. If you asked what the most reliable poly gun was then yes the glock would be considered, but it's not even in the race when you ask what the most reliable handgun is. It's going to be something along the lines of a makarov or CZ75.

>>31988960
>They need so much love

Aaaaahhhhh no standard cleaning and lubing will allow the weapon to shoot just fine.

>>31986906
Thompson center

>>31988784
Is this current? I could dig the 941 as a carry gun.

>>31988973
he asked which is the most reliable, which is objective. also don't /thread your own post newfriend

>>31989047
best post
glocks aren't used so much because they're perfect, they're used because they're good enough in everything, marketing, and when they came out. OP didn't ask what pistol you feel is the best, he asked what pistol is the most reliable, which is definitely not a glock.

>>31989047
Rancid bait.

>>31989479
Name the most then, faggot pants.

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How is pic related??? CZ USA P07
Gonna be buying my first handgun in the next week or two.

>>31990901
I think it's probably a makarov, or something similar

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In my experience, it has been the USP series. My CZs have also never jammed, but I suppose that's to be expected of slavshit.

>>31986933
>>31986928
As usual, spbp and fpbp.

If you don't need a full caliber cartridge, direct blowback guns like the Makarov or PPK are the way to go.

Otherwise a glock is as simple as it gets, just replace the guide rod and you're good to go for 10k+ rounds.

>>31988960
I think this is a super important point that's often overlooked. The reason there's a huge shadow of unreliability and wonkiness with 1911s is because anyone can make one.

You can even ignore the design arguments completely. Hand-fitted wartime colt 1911s are perfectly fine. But that's only a tiny segment of the global 1911 population.

Whereas a glock is a glock, every glock is glock-brand, and even if they were unreliable you could study a glock's behavior to predict any other glock's behavior.

>>31992455
mine is great. go with the 9mm. 40 is just pussy 10mm.

Glock 17/19 for 9mm handguns, solid reliability, very serviceable, parts and modifications available to suit your needs. Glocks in .40 are reliable I suppose, but IMO not enjoyable to shoot

USPs are very reliable pistols, including the 40s

1911s are very reliable for .45 depending on make and model, wouldn't trust a 10mm, 9mm or .40 1911 platform honestly. I would trust a solid Colt brand 1911 over a glock 21 honestly

>>31986906
I'd say Beretta M9. The military bought junk mags and doesn't maintain them, that's why they have problems.

>>31986906
I would say a Ruger Revolver would be absolutely reliable.

S&W revolver good, but I have heard of some with the internal lock actually locking up after firing a round. If it wasn't for the internal lock, S&W would be tops in my books.

Of course, this is assuming a new revolver. And old S&W wouldn't have the lock.

>there are still people who think that steel frame pistols are relevant
>weight for no appreciable benefits
>annoying when either very hot or very cold outside.
>scratch up upholstery, duty gear and put more wear on holsters

Metal framed handguns are fudd tier

>>31993768
Sure, in the 1990s when they were still new. I have handled at least thirty different M9s, and all of them were in a fairly sorry state, missing grips screws, destroyed and shot out barrels, wobbly safeties and triggers

I like the M9 don't get me wrong, I think it's fine for the vast majority of the purposes the military uses it for, but they desperately need to be overhauled or replaced.

>>31993801
The question wasn't what's easiest or lightest to wear. The question was about absolute reliability.

>>31987157
>>31988555
I'm so happy to know that I'm not the ony one whose autism gets triggered by this.
Also checked.

>>31989096
you should get a 941 poly. they look way more badass.

>>31993801
except guns have recoil, and the heavier it is, the less recoil. the less recoil, the quicker you can have follow-up shots. if you can't carry a metal pistol you're actually a manlet. it might not be comfortable (for manlets) but that's not even what the thread is about.

>>31993768
Yeah, no. An open slide is absolutely not the most reliable handgun, and you're a retarded fanboy for suggesting as much.

>>31989000
>1500 rounds
>reliable
ha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fn6GFSwTEw

>>31994524

That's terrifying

>>31988784

>Caracal F

jesus christ how old is this fucking chart

>>31992455
I tried a cz07 and the slide release was too far forward for my thumb to reach.

In my defense I have girl hands.

the m&p 9 fit my hand perfectly.

didnt buy one tho

>>31994524
taurus: never once. i swear they're owned by some anti gun group and designed to kill off gun owners.

>>31988555
Checked

>>31994536
>>31994557
its sad, in brazil thats about all the police get in terms of selection

>>31987982
I'd buy one to pretend to be Solid Snake with.

.45 is a good subsonic round.

Good for making gang members doing drug deals in alleyways disappear.

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M&P without a trigger job.
>inb4 MAC
It had a trigger job.

>>31994710
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okqt1_GVW5s

>>31994726
Hello noguns. See >>31994710 and read the part where it had a trigger job.

>>31994756
>implying a basic ass aftermarket trigger would have any impact on reliability

>>31994761
That Apex kit comes with a full trigger assembly including the sear, spring, ect. When the trigger is the thing that locked up on water then yeah it's safe to say it was the trigger.

Here's a test with an M&P without a trigger job:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4A_TbpHU1c

>>31994776
The main issue was with the striker channel getting filled with water.

>>31986906
VP9 desu senpai

>>31986906
>most reliable handgun
.357 mag revolver...Colt, S&W, Taurus...they all make good ones. You can load it with cheap .38 Special for plinking or hot .357 mag and bring down a deer...easy to clean...easy to maintain. Available from 5-shots to 8. Everyone should have at least one in their arsenal.

>>31986906
COLT SINGLE ACTION ARMY

>>31988016
Pic is kinda useless without an explanation as to what caused the failures. Was is bad manufacturing, or retarded users?

>>31987182
Besides being a very expensive range toy, its too big to be used for anything else but a duty gun. The thing is literally as long as a Desert Eagle

Ask Battlefield Vegas.
Spoilers it's glock.

>>31989047
Im upset it took this long to bring up CZ. Probably the most underrated brand or pistols.

>>31989096
Shits bulky af and weighs like 4 lbs.

>>31988555
No one gives a fuck youre a mechanical engineer, we only care about those digits.

>>31993801
>What is reduced muzzle flip
>What is weight distribution
>What is recoil management
>what is structural rigidity

>>31994398
As a manlet, that guy is an enormous noguns faggot. I carry a steel frame cz with zero issues or discomfort.

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>>31989096
I use a steel full size 941 as my every CCW. Love it to death.
Though, to be honest, you kinda have to be a big guy for it to work. As >>31995414 implied, it's a large handgun, and the steel is quite heavy for a carry piece.

>>31994016
You have terrible taste, sir.

>>31988555
ME here too. Glad >>31987157 got this right.

>>31995586
I'm 6'4" 1705 lbs, good enough?

I'd probably get the polymer variant anyway.

Also how tolerable is the slide mounted safety? This is a dealbreaker for me. I know there's the 941 F with the frame mounted safety, and a safety decocker version if I'm not mistaken.

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No menes? You want the honest truth?

In the modern age of industrial production of precision machinery (1940s-now) reliability of autoloaders has more to do with ammo than the gun itself.

There are pistols with ingrained issues that are specific to the design (R51 I'm looking at you) but for the most part, any of the literally hundreds of models of currently produced pistols from any reputable manufacturer (yes even Taurus and KelTec) will be more reliable than the ammo you feed them with.

Vast majority of double feeds, stovepipes, and other common handgun malfunctions are due to out of spec ammo. I don't care if you're shooting boutique European handcrafted ammo only, you will eventually get one without enough powder to cycle properly or a bad primer.

All that said, the answer is a Makarov because in my subjective experience mine has never failed.

does premium ammo help with aim. Used to have a ruger sr9 now glock 30, used rem wb or federal in both. accurate with 9mm cant hit shit with .45. is it because of caliber or ammo choice?

>>31986906
Smith and Wesson model 10.

117 years uninterrupted production and still a good throwback. Shooting the still venerable .38 special and modern versions allow P+ rounds.

It cannot get any more reliable than that. Even John Moses Browning's divorce child the M1911 hasn't had that good a run.

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>>31995816
>1705 lbs
I sincerely hope this was a typo.

I'm 6'4" myself but about 275 lbs, so you should be good.

I have no problem with the slide safety, but I admit it would probably be better with the frame safety. The slide would be a tad more comfortable to rack that way.

Pic related is a video I made for a buddy to demonstrate how easy it can be to rack the slide on a reload. Hope it answers your question.

It certainly isn't uncomfortable to carry. Doesn't dig into your side or anything.

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>>31995816
>>31996122
And part 2 for completion's sake.

That's all I got for you.

>>31996122
Oh hey already had this conversation with you, you and that HK style slap

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>>31996254
Lol. Yeah, small /k/ world I guess.

>>31994776
That is a shame I really like my shield. Should I replace the trigger mine is still factory?

>>31994540
What is the problem? They suddenly got bad?

>>31986983
Glocknade

/thread

>>31987059
Sig really is up and down like Glock. Some models are godly, some are absolute dogshit. But we can all agree that mostly either will shooty tooty

>>31994524
>jamming while being fired without touching the trigger
Oh lawd. Can a gun fail even more?

>>31997556
They were all recalled...3 years ago...

>>31987091
my shit was bumped to the side almost instantly on my 22

Not hard to put it back in place but this was my first gun and the lame sights really made me say what the fuck after loving everything thing else about the pistol

>>31986906
Beretta 92

after years of being abused by chucklefucks in the US military without having their parts replaced they still manage to work.

>>31986906
FUCK HICKOCK45 FUCK THAT OLD BAG OF CUNT LOAD OF SHIT HE IS GOING TO DIE IN A COUPLE YEARS AND I AM HAPPY BECAUSE OF HIS FILTHY SKIN THAT IS FULL OF DIRT AND BABY SHIT HAHAH
HAVE FUN WITH YOUR GLOCK SHILL BEING 6 FEET UNDER

>>31993729
>just replace the guide rod and you're good to go for 10k+ rounds

Nice meme

I found a guy selling a SIG 1911 TACOPS on Armslist for $800, should I jump on it? What do you guys know about SIG 1911s?

>>31989047

where did you get the idea that LEOs are switching to FNS? The aftermarket and the availability of spare parts is still shit to this day.

Also makarov for best reliability yes but a CZ75? Nope.

>>31987546
My VP9 has never failed me during shooting, My Glock 17 and RIA 1911(its shit) have. My vote goes to Makarovs though, I have a Bulgarian one and like the VP9 has not malfunctioned yet. But I'm confindant the Makarov can handle mud and other elements better than any other handgun I own.

>>31987546
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eJr453erCAc

>>32000305
Just make sure you don't ever fall in a puddle or something and you'll be okay.

>>32000422
Didn't MAC do a followup where he did a test with buckets on a table and the VP9 ate shit in tap water just the same as it had before?

>>31997589
That's actually because of the way he's holding it. Not the guns fault but we can shit on it still.

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>the top one

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Whats /k/'s opinion of the Charter Arms Bulldog? I think its the best .44 around

>>32000976
its the cheapest 44 around if thats what you mean

>>32001058
ok, what do you think is the best option for a non-S&W .44 snubnose?

>>31989440
Keep pretending like you're any older than an aborted fetus. "newfriend" ffs. Don't you have some kid you don't agree with tto go berate on facebook?

>>32000976
Don't get a .44 special. That cartridge is harder to find and all around worse than .44 mag. I think it's even more expensive than .44 rem mag. It isn't the .38 special to .357.

>>32000666
I've dunked it into a creek before and emptied a magazine without any problems to prove a friend wrong that believed that meme.

>>32000696
MAC is not the end all opinion on handgun performance.

>>31986983
You can't /thread your own fucking post.

Springfield Armory M1911A1.

>>32000767
How's that P30SK? I've been thinking of getting one.

>>31986906
Glock 17. They have like 6 parts all together. Not much to go wrong.

>>32001836

Not him but

>P30sk

it's okay.