Ok most of you /k/ikes are poorfags, slav weebos, /k/ids or WROL

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Because the Zastava M70A variant is in 9mm Luger and features a real manual safety, being priced way below $300, so it's better in every practical way than the old 7.62mm army ones.

>>31986297
Better in penetration?..... nope
Magazine availability .......nope
Price................................. nope
Ammunition cost............... nope
7.62x25 is superior to 9mm

>>31986252
>Surplus will penetrate level IIA armor
Ammo which isn't typically found these days.

Besides, if you're fighting someone in armor you should use a rifle. Even so, there's solid berylium copper hollowpoint 9mm ammo which is commercially available and which has been shown to defeat L3 vests with plates.

>>31986297
You can't shoot 5.56 necked down brass in a 9mm version

>>31986324
9mm is cheaper than 7.62x25, this isn't 2005 where surplus still falls from the heavens

>>31986325
Ten minutes on Google 70rds 18 dolleryedoos

>>31986325
In Canada there's mountains of surplus for pennies a round. Trump might open the floodgates cuz he's Putins bro

>>31986324
You write like a fucking 12 year old.

Penetration? For what purpose? Armor? Pointless in a pistol 999 out of 1000.
The 9mm is heavier, mattering for wounding, and it's cheaper than 7.62mm
9mm can also be suppressed incredibly efficiently, while suppressing 7.62mm is an uphill battle.

Magazine availability? It's not hard to find, they hold 8 or 9, which is good for what it is, and again, the TT33 doesn't have a manual safety, it's arguably not even drop-safe, something which is illustrated by Soviet doctrine, stating it should be carried with an empty chamber.

>>31986330
And you can't use plentiful 9mm projectiles and reloading dies for the 7.62mm cartridge.

>>31986337
Have fun finding the steelcore surplus for cheaper.

>>31986343
While Trump is pro-gun, he also favors protectionism, so even if we were to get import bans lifted, the ammo might come with tariffs, meaning it won't necessarily be much cheaper, if at all.

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Because I already own the best handgun in the world

>>31986252
>Can use modified 5.56brass
no it cant
it can use modified 23 brass
5.56 is too thick

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>>31986374
7.62=30 cal

>>31986374
>he also favors protectionism, so even if we were to get import bans lifted, the ammo might come with tariffs, meaning it won't necessarily be much cheaper, if at all.

only with originally american companies

he said straight out hes not protectionist

his own words

>>31986252
I regret selling my Romanian TTC, now I'm looking at getting one again but they all have frosted or fucked up bores.
Fuck me.

>>31986530
TT-33 is thinner and more durable in artic conditions. 7.62x25 is also a more powerful round than 9mm

>>31986530
you mean the best grenade/hand removal device in the world

>>31986530
I have owned both but I sold my 19 for $800 same price I paid ten years ago. The TT 33 was NOS $180 so its a little more practical to justify to wifey

>>31986601

Not that guy but I own both and the Tok is considerably less reliable than the 19 even under normal conditions. What makes you believe it would work any better under arctic ones?
Also it's a single stack, with shit controls, shit sights, shit ergos, a fraction of the aftermarket and worse handling.

>7.62x25 is also a more powerful round than 9mm

It's better at penetrating soft armor, but that's it.
The ammo is more expensive, less available, generally shittier in quality and there is like 0.1% of the variety.
Defensive 9x19 loads shit all over 7.62x25 for terminal ballistics.

I get it, you have a hard on for it, I also enjoy shooting it every now and then... but let's face it, the Tok gets fucking destroyed by modern handguns.

>>31986566
Yes you need to ream to avoid dangerous over pressure. Literally five turns with a hand held case bevel on the rim.

>>31986689
All plastic eventually cracks. In winter conditions the Glock was found to be unsuitable. Its the same reason the US military banned plastic magazines they crack at -40. That's no good for fighting Russians in the Artic.

>>31986689
In Canada we can get new production non corrosive Norenco from china.

>>31986726
Actual source please? Many Scandinavian countries, as well as Canada use Glock pistols so I'm a bit skeptical. Also, IIRC, the glock users manual says they can be operated safety at -40f, which for liability reasons I'm guessing they would be pretty confident of to put that in there.

>>31986726

You're full of shit.

>>31986747
It's not like it isn't common knowledge plastic cracks in cold weather, steel will too but it has to hit -55 below and chains start to snap. I get it you don't put your plastic to hard wear but I guarantee it will wear faster than steel at any temperature

>>31986784
So no, you don't. Ok thanks.

>>31986751
No Google it the US only wants steel or aluminum alloys ALL plastic is banned it melts too quickly and shatters in the cold.

>>31986751
com | May 25, 2012 | by Matthew Cox
The Army has ordered that soldiers may use only government-issued magazines with their M4 carbines, a move that effectively bans one of the most dependable and widely used commercial-made magazines on today’s battlefield.
The past decade of war has spawned a wave of innovation in the commercial soldier weapons and equipment market. As a result, trigger-pullers in the Army, Marines and various service special operations communities now go to war armed with commercially designed kit that’s been tested under the most extreme combat conditions.
Near the top of such advancements is the PMAG polymer M4 magazine, introduced by Magpul Industries Corp. in 2007. Its rugged design has made it as one of the top performers in the small-arms accessory arena, according to combat veterans who credit the PMAG with drastically improving the reliability of the M4.
Despite the success of the PMAG, Army officials from the TACOM Life Cycle Management Command issued a “safety of use message” in April that placed it, and all other polymer magazines, on an unauthorized list.
The message did not single out PMAGs, but instead authorizes only the use of Army-issued aluminum magazines. The message offers little explanation for the new policy except to state that “Units are only authorized to use the Army-authorized magazines listed in the technical manuals.” Nor does it say what Army units should now do with the millions of dollars’ worth of PMAGs they’ve purchased over the years

>>31986818
>>31986807

Stupid misinfo debunked many times.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/06/07/army-now-says-no-ban-on-rifle-magazines.html

>>31986839
That's just politics metal is superior and the army knows it

>>31986324
maybe if it was 1995, you'd be right because anyone could get surplus shit for literally 1/3rd of what it all is now, but it's 2016 and surplus is barely worth it anymore.

>>31986839
Canadian banned plastic first because we had issued plastic magazines since the late 1980s we destroyed all of them and now use exclusively metal magazines.

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>>31986252
because i have superior Czech tech

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>>31986954
>CZ better than Zastava
kek, pic related is Zastava's offering at that price range. CZ fags can fuck off

>>31986896
In Canada a TT-33 with lanyard holster extra magazine all NOS can be had for $180 and steel core surplus can be purchased for $13-16 for 70rds

>>31986726
>In winter conditions the Glock was found to be unsuitable

False.

>US military banned plastic magazines

False.

>the same reason

False squared, the reason for the TACOM announcement was that the new GI mags with tan followers sucked less dick than the previous generation green ones, so they wanted soldiers to go back to GI. Cold weather conditions were never mentioned anywhere.

>>31986883

Either provide actual data or fuck off with your fuddlore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ggogp67rRU

>>31986924
>we had issued plastic magazines since the late 1980s
>what is 30+ years of advancement in polymers

Besides, mags aren't supposed to be used indefinitely. Shitty worn out GI mags are the main cause of the jamomatic meme.

>>31986252
It kind of is the SKS of pistols, especially for us Syrups. Simple, inexpensive, reliable, and feeds cheap surplus all day. An excellent starter gun, especially in 7.62x25, since surplus here is like $12/box of 70.

But modern pistol do blow it out of the water, you have to admit. The sights are terrible, the grip angle is odd, and it does lack any real safety (so I carry mine at half-cock). It's a great gun, probably one of the best of its day, I'll always love Tokarevs, but time and technology have made it obsolete.

>>31986954
>Vz. 52
>superior

It's a complete clusterfuck of a design that was outdated long before the first prototype saw the light of day.

>>31986977
One whoyoukiddin you don't carry.
Who has $12/70 7.62x25 best I've seen is $15.
Modern pistols aren't worth the price for the performance.
How is it obsolete it is armor piercing? What else in Canada is?

>>31986252
>Canadian faggots bitching about 'muh armor penetration'
Your police and military ride fucking horses. I'm pretty sure body armor hasn't been invented in faggot syrupland

I was gonna buy one until I realized you can only get ammo online. With shipping I would've paid 50 bucks for 100 rounds. I bought a surplus Beretta 92S instead and don't regret my decision one bit.

>>31987077
My dream is to own a 92fs, my favorite movies are Die Hard and Lethal Weapon, my favorite game is Doom (Duke Nukem and glock ashit) and my favorite gun is the 92fs. Would I be disappointed with the 92s? Is the only difference the mag release? Where'd you get yours and what would you say the condition was? Thanks brother

>>31987074
Our criminals wear body armor. We passed laws criminalizing procession but criminals crime. Everybody has some cops riding horseback.

>>31987121
>Everybody has some cops riding horseback.
yeah it's just retarded that every single one of yours does. If I went up there with my car there'd be no stopping me because you faggots are so incompetent. For a group that loves talking about what year it is you faggots live in the 50's, just a perverted gay muslim version of it

>>31987057
Yeah, you don't know me. Swing by the Canada thread sometime. I CC my Tok daily.
My LGS, Sebarms, has surplus for $12 for 70rds. Not my problem you're incapable of finding deals.
Modern pistols are absolutely worth the price. Better materials, lighter, more comfortable to use, and let's be honest, 9mm is the superior defensive round. I mean, I LOVE 7.62x25. But it's larger, tends to icepick, since only one or two manufacturers make JHPs, and while it's impressively fast, your average threat in a Carry scenario is almost certainly not wearing armor, the likelyhood being so far in your favour that you can safely ignore it and choose a good JHP in your calibre of choice. I mean, 7.62x25 makes for a fantastic SMG/PDW round, but it's hardly the best Carry round.

Look, I have two TT33s. Great guns. But they are obsolete. I still tell people to buy them, but it's true.
>>31987145
Not all our cops ride horses. That's usually a ceremonial thing.

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>>31986641
I hate Glocks but this meme needs to die regardless.

>inb4 glock fanboy

>>31987101

You wont be disappointed at all.. I've only shot about 150 rounds through it, but not a jam or problem. You get used to the heel mag release (I've actually grown to like it).

Here's where I got it from

https://www.classicfirearms.com/beretta-9mm-semi-auto-surplus-g-vg

It came in excellent shape, and I didn't even pay for the hand picked one. You can't go wrong with a $320 Beretta 92

Here's a video of me shooting it. I shot it one handed so I could take the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=379t76NVaVQ

>>31986644
>$800 for a Glock 19
>sold a Glock 19 for $800
horse shit

>>31987101

Not to mention that it's an original Italian Beretta with none of the less durable plastic internals. The guide rod on these are very sturdy

>>31987409
Thanks for the advice brother, she looks beautiful. Can't wait to clean it at family dinners at my negro cop partner's house

>>31986582
Yeah and I'm sure you can shoot longass boat-tail .308 projectiles in a Tokarev you dumb piece of shit.

The 7.62x25mm cartridge uses a .310 projectile, a short one, which isn't too plentiful in America outside of commercial loaded ammo.

>>31986644
>Glock
>$800
You got jewed like nobody's business.

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>>31986726

>>31986883
>aluminum mag is dinged
>dent remains and mag is unusable
>plastic mag is dinged
>retains it's shape and keeps working
>also weighs less

>>31986970
Nobody gives a fuck you fucking leaf.

>>31987101

No, M9/92 are literally the only handguns aside from an unfired MK23 that I own and I wouldn't have it any other way.

There is nothing like an older all metal Beretta 92. Nothing.

>>31986954
>literally Glocknades with +P ammo
>iron firingpin
It's like the worst service pistol the Czechs ever made.

>>31987575
Sorry I don't know a ton about the different models but you're saying the 92s imports are the all metal nice ones?

>>31986325
>Beryllium copper 9mm ammo commercially avaliable
Bullshit.

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>>31987057
>Modern pistols aren't worth the price for the performance
Except magazine capacity.
Except reliability.
Except durability.
Except ergonomics.
Except modularity.
Except sights.
Except weight.

Pic related shits all over the Tokarev.

>>31987575
>>31987648
Also I'm finally in a pretty financially secure place but do you guys think there will be any big black Friday/cyber Monday sales? My wishlist is a Taurus 66 stainless 6 inch, a 92s or 92fs and a p-64

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>>31987650
My mistake, it's the other way around with copper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr6h44Pu4sM

Point is, a copper hollowpoint can eat it's way through a LIII vest with a trauma plate and can be bought off the shelf.

>>31987663
>Taurus revolver
You can do a lot better, I'd look at a used Smith & Wesson revolver instead.

A S&W M66 can be found between $500 to $800 depending on when it's made, condition and configuration.

If all you want is a working .357 Magnum revolver, old Ruger Security Six revolvers are frequently $400 and can eat hot hot ammo.

Seriously, avoid Taurus wheelguns.

>>31987732
My main interest would be getting one of those Zastava revolvers but that ship seems to have fully sailed. As far as other revolvers I'm looking for something with a big fucking barrel in 357 magnum and for not a ton of money, what problems does the Taurus have outside of being a Taurus?

>>31987510
Same bullets as the m14 you noguns faggot

>>31987818
*M1 carbine bullet

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>>31986530
>The gun that jackboots magdump into unarmed black men in the Assume The Position position
>vs the Gun that Won the West
Fuck off newfag

>>31987863
Niggers are the new Indians kid. Times change, weapons change, but war never changes

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>>31987753
Taurus and revolvers is a sketchy area.

I've seen numerous issues on /k/ alone, a particularly infamous picture is one where a guy had a loose and wobbly firing-pin on his revolver, something which has been seen before but his was a particularly horrifying example.

He'd load it with empty cases, pull the trigger a bunch of times and after a few revolutions of the cylinder, pin-strikes were all over the cartridge faces, as if it'd been hit with birdshot from a distance or something.

I wish I still had the image because it was so horrible to look at, for each cartridge there was a dozen strikes which didn't even hit the primer. Another guy had his firing-pin outright fall out of his gun when he tilted it at an upright angle.

The only Taurus I would trust is their Beretta 92 clones, which are ok if you replace the factory magazines with MecGar or modified Beretta ones.

If you want a .357 revolver with a full lug barrel, current Ruger GP100s and S&W 686s have fully lugged barrels and are built like tanks compared to Taurus.

>>31987891
They're already on reservations, it's called government housing.

You'll note we aren't still fighting Indians.

>>31987274
You are a lying sack of shit just called sebarms in Edmonton and they haven't had 7.62x25 in stock for years.

>>31987856
>>31987818
Both .30 Carbine and .308 Winchester use, get this, .308 projectiles, you fucking insipid mouth-breather.

.30 Carbine bullets would be closer to proper length for the 7.62x25mm cartridge, but it's still too thin, and will have suboptimal performance in a .310 bore, it'll keyhole like a fucker.

>>31987863
Who gives a shit?

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>>31987899
Ok, I'll keep that in mind and keep an eye out for Ruger's options. The one in your picture looks pretty nice. Has anyone on here had one of the Zastava revolvers/does anyone know if they'll ever come back in?

>>31986962
I haven't heard especially good things about the 999

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>>31987435
You know you can get metal guidrods and what not for your Beretta, right?

Look at the Wilson Combat Beretta, it's all metal.

>>31987928
Reloading Supplies Bullets Handgun Bullets 30 Caliber Handgun (.308)
Sierra Sports Master Bullets 30 Mauser, 7.62mm Tokarev (308 Diameter) 85 Grain Round Nose Box of 100

>>31987955
What have you heard as far as negatives go? On mine one of the grip panels pops if gripped too tight (close call as to whether or not it'll pop a bit upon gripping in a shooting scenario), the mags have dogshit springs that go down like sandpaper, and the gun has to be pulled back beyond the slide stop position to work the take-down lever which is a bit of a bitch. Otherwise she's got ~1k rounds through her without a single malfunction. For a ~$300 gun I couldn't be happier desu

>>31987991
That's great honey, but the Tokarev has a .310 bore and shoots .310 projectiles

>>31988002
The one story I heard was that a guy basically wore his out in about a thousand or so rounds and Zastava refused to do warranty work or to even take his e-mails at one point.

This is just one anecdote though, don't take my word for it. Could have been a lemon too.

>>31988006
Are you autistic? No you're wrong all tokarev ammunition is .308

>>31988020
Strange, most people I've spoken to on other forums (and even a couple guys on here) love theirs but who knows how many rounds they've put through. I take mine apart and give it a good cleaning after each trip and nothing looks even close to worn at this point. That being said I agree with you and wouldn't trust their quality control or customer service but for the price I wasn't expecting to either.

>>31987101
I don't know what's funnier. This bait, or the fact that everyone replied seriously to it.

>>31987101
>Duke Nukem a shit
Blow it out your ass.

>>31988047
Actually not joking but I'm aware of how over the top the post sounds brother
>>31988058
>what is worst level design of all time for $500 Alex?

>>31988075
>open ended with great exploration and fanciful takes of real life environments (unseen at the time)
>bad
Eat shit and die.

>>31988121
Yeah for the first 4 or 5 levels, everything after is dogfucking retarded and the gunplay is average at best.

>>31988139
Are you that guy who cried on /vr/ because you tried to use the shotgun for the entire game?

>>31988145
Nope, rage all you want but Doom shits all over Duke Nukem and if it wasn't for Duke's meme-ability people wouldn't remember that fucking sub-par game
Better level design, better feeling guns, cooler and more varied enemies, better music, etc.

Sadly I not born in party affiliate family. And am not officer. I am simple farm boy. I just have nugget, nugget good enough to killing of fascists.

>>31988163
I'm a bigger Doomfag than you can even imagine, kid, but don't try to shittalk Duke Nukem 3D, it is objectively an excellent game.

>>31988253
I bet you're one of those faggots who thinks Blood is a good game. Fucking disgusting opinion on Duke, the game was a novelty at the time but has aged like shit

>>31988033
Not the anon you have been arguing with but let me shine light on the .308 vs .310 argument.

The tt-33 and it's copies have a .310-311 bore with .307-308 lands. The Cz-52 has a .309 bore with .306 lands.
Source: I owned both and slugged the bores on both. I have also talked to many x25 pistol owners and this is the general consensus.

Now for ammo. Surplus ammo has a .312 diameter bullet. Modern production has a .308
Source is that I measured both surplus and commercial bullets pulled directly from cases out of curiosity.

My guess the tokerav shoots a .308 diameter bullet thing came from some fudd who saw the "7.62" and thought it must be the exact same as the NATO 7.62 and wrote an article pulling shit out of their ass. Then instead of doing their own research writter have been coping this wrong information for decades.

Any reloading manual that has data for 7.62x25 uses a test gun of cz-52. Those will shoot .308 bullets fairly accurately.

>>31986252
As someone who has tried to use both 5.56 and .223 brass to make 7.62x25, you can not use the same primers. .223 cases work with mixed success, and 5.56 cases require way too much work to be worth it.
I would not use the same primers, considering small rifle primers are a lot hotter and I would worry about pressure.

>>31988417
>Sierra Sports Master Bullets 30 Mauser, 7.62mm Tokarev (308 Diameter) 85 Grain Round Nose Box of 100
Sierra SportsMaster bullets are engineered to provide consistent, reliable expansion over a wide range of velocities. The featured Power Jacket insures unform expansion along serrated lines. This directly results in more consistent weight retention and the maximum energy transfer. This is not loaded ammunition.

Technical Information
Caliber: 30 Mauser, 7.62mm Tokarev
Bullet Diameter: .308"
Bullet Weight: 85 Grains
Bullet Style: Round Nose


Ballistics Information:
Sectional Density: 0.128
Ballistics Coefficient: 0.113

Notes:
Flat base with exposed lead core.
This is a lead core copper jacketed bullet with an exposed lead nose.
Designed to shoot in the 7.62x25 Tokarev. This is designed for HANDGUNS ONLY.

>>31986601

I really really like 7.62x25 but they're relatively equal in terms of energy and the 9mm being wider will be doing more meat opening

>>31988417
You must be smarter than everyone Annon. Thanks for enlightening me to all the misinformation in those manuals and stupid manufacturers specification information

>>31988481
As I pointed out the reloading data for 7.62 was made for the cz-52, which have tighter bores. A .308 projectile will shoot ok out of them but like crap out of a Tokarev.
I have both Sierra and hornady manuals and they both state the test gun is a CZ-52.

>>31988492
Not even close I'm getting 1700fps out of my Tock with surplus steel core. My rounds go through both sides of a Kevlar helmet. A 9mm only dents the outside

>>31988538
Arguing with you is like playing chess with a pigeon

>>31988514
Most manufacturers make the ammo safe to shoot in the lowest possible firearm. This is why they use .308 bullets for the cz-52 (which can have .308 bores).
They don't want to be sued.
This is also why modern commercial ammo is weak enough that if some idiot wants to put it into a c96 broomhandle Mauser, it won't blow up in his face.

Welcome to the modern world, where you have to put a disclaimer on effectively everything.

>>31988569
Because in your case you have never played chess and are playing with the world's only chess playing pigeon.

>>31988557
For some reason I'm having a hard time believing you. It could be the wildly unrealistic claim you just made, but who knows.
>>31988582
I think companies have even come out and said this is the case with most ammo. If you actually read the manual on a lot of handguns, they say what their max tolerances are for ammo and it's much higher than the average stuff on the shelf.
But you know, some guy puts some Hornady Crit Duty in his old broomhandle C96 and blows his hand off, next thing you know everyone has shitty ammo.
>>31988594
Fucking what?

>>31988656
YouTube multiple videos of 7.62x25 slapping its enormous Russian cock all over the 9mm cuck pea shooters

>>31988557
This ammunition was designed for sub machine guns. Its hotter and split cases are typical of these hot loads.

>>31988290
>too scrub to play Blood
HAH!
I bet you play Doom with one of those mods that turn all hitscan enemy attacks into projectiles!

>>31988481
Good on you for copy and pasting their sales pitch.

>>31988686
Yeah, 7.62mm is so good that nobody uses it anymore.

>>31988686
Makes me wonder why it isn't used anymore?

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>>31988557

Energy doesnt equal penetration. A 12 gauge slug will not penetrate to the same extent as a 5.7 will. The 9mm is a slightly wider and if either as an fmj would pass through a human bean at 10 yards then the 9mm can be expected to do more damage

>>31988557
Yeah and .17HMR goes fucking screaming out of a gunbarrel but it'd make a right shit pistol cartridge laddie.

>>31988707

Stop perpetuating fuddlore.
There was no 7.62x25 ammo specifically designed for pistols or SMGs at any point. The Czechoslovak BXN ammo this myth started with was supposed to be used in the vz. 52 pistol as well as the vz. 24/26 SMGs (all of the guns were originally 9x19 and were redesigned for 7.62x25 at the same time after the Warsaw pact demanded small arms unification from all member states, so the load was developed with both of them in mind).
Unfortunately the vz. 52 simply couldn't deal with the higher pressure cartridge. The pistol beats itself to death in a short order - if you're lucky, the frame or slide will crack before the chamber blows up in your face (the chamber wall is ridiculously thin at the bottom where the barrel is cut out for the roller mechanism).
When this started happening some time after the pistols and tons of BXN ammo landed on the US market, people naturally started blaming the ammo, but it's really the gun's fault.

>>31988290

Blood is great, kys.

>>31988908
Actually, the Bulgarians used 7.62x25mm as a subgun cartridge exclusively, they had no 7.62mm pistols.

These loads were quite hot and they're known to glocknade the CZ52 (because they're brittle pieces of shit).

But Bulgaria was not a Communist state, so no, there was no extra hot Soviet subgun loads.

>>31988290
>he doesn't like Blood
Low test tbhfam.

>>31988952

It was communist and a WP member state. Not a part of the USSR, tho.

>>31986252
>penetrate level IIA
Oh no sounds terrible.

Considering there are 9mm loads that cut through IIIA like butter, you might as well get a more versatile gun from this century.

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>>31988290
What, too intense for you?

good luck finding ammo, and besides being able to penetrate well the actual energy of the round is far less than say a 9mm, .40 S&W or a .357.
I don't understand why you would use this round or this gun. No one else does. It's cool but for a serious weapon it's outdated.

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>>31987986
That isn't all metal you fucking dumb ass look at the grippers

>>31987986

I know if I got a new 92fs I could replace the guide rod , but I consider it a plus that the older Italian ones have sturdier parts.

>>31986530
It's the best conceal carry handgun it's perfect, and if I have to use it I'd rather have four hundred dollars rot in an evidence locker than 8-1200 dollars

>>31987925
No you didn't, they're closed on Sundays.
Czechm8

>>31987928
>it'll keyhole like a fucker.
Not necessarily, I have reloaded 7.62x54R and 7.62x39 both with .308 bullets and they shot just fine.

>>31989741
So a .308 rifle bullet would work phenomenally in a really short .310 bore with little time to stabilize it?

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>>31986530
But where did you get pl14?

>>31990072
>never shot it
>never touched it
>never laid eyes on it
>it was never tested by an independent party
>made by a company known for producing unremarkable handguns, in a country known for designing and fielding unremarkable handguns

>OMG GUISE IS THIS THE BESTEST GUN IN TEH WORLD OR WHAT, WEST ON SUICIDE WATCH

Slavaboos are so cute.

>>31990072
It looks like a Steyr M9 but not as cool.

>>31986252
I actually made it a point to buy one of these. Although I only bought it because it was dirt cheap and im poor as fuck

I was actually thinking about getting myself a TT33 or a M57 on some Christmas sale.

>$200-$250 for the gun*
>$500 for 2500 rounds of surplus ammo*

I don't think you can have more fun for less money.

*Prices for the free folk beyond the northern wall.

>>31992882
They're not bad poorfag guns, old and dated, but a pistol is a pistol.

I'll suggest the M57 for having a real manual safety and actually being drop-safe, any original Soviet TT33 pistol featuring a manual safety had it added when being imported to the US (because the 1968 GCA), a lot of these aren't safe as safeties (quality and placement also varied between importers), I don't know if any of the American imports ever show up in Canada though.

The M57 and M70A has pretty good safeties, they're very positive and locks the firing-pin in place, so it absolutely cannot discharge when engaged, even if you hit the cocked hammer against an anvil or some shit. I know this isn't quite so important in Canada since you can't carry, but who knows what happens, and hell, some people even carry their pistols illegally.

>>31986324
Stop with the fucking ellipses.

>>31986726
Look at this clown.

>>31989372
A new Brigadier slide will definitely take way more shit and hotter loads than a regular old 92SB slide, regardless of guide rods.

I mean both are 9mm pistols that work, but choosing between an old 92SB and 92A1 (or M9A3) with a Brig slide, it's not a hard decision (guide rods can be swapped).

>>31986924
There's a difference between old Zytel pieces of shit and modern PMags and Lancers.

Yeah no shit plastic mags weren't a good idea by the 80's.

>>31986954
It's like the anti-CZ75, why would anyone want to depend on the VZ52? The Czechs didn't even do that.

>>31987057
>How is it obsolete it is armor piercing?
I've seen a .17HMR rifle defeat a LV3 vest with a plate, it means shit.
I can't think of one realistic scenario where you would have to use your carry gun to defeat armor, this is like when 5.7fags bring it up as a point in their favor, like, who gives a fuck, Jamal and José ain't ever gonna face off at you with a vest.

>>31987101
>>31988290
https://youtu.be/Ll2hcZOnKt0

>>31986252
m8 my dick can penetrate IIA vests, not exactly impressive

The slide stop engages every 2 or 3 shots. I'm 100% sure its not me doing it. What do?

>>31986644
lol i paid $400 for mine, in rough condition and sold it for $900. you suck at making a profit

>>31996809
>>31986644
What kind of dumb asshole pays more than maybe $450 for a Glock?

Who are these people?

>>31997724
u mad?

>>31997798
Baffled, considering finding a Glock 17 or 19 for just $400 is no effort at all.

>>31986252
Because it handles like a piece of vitrified shit. Hands down, that is the most uncomfortable weapon I've ever handled.