NFA General

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>>31962078

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>>31962092

Dem completely unobstructed sights.

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>>31962100

Primary sidearm, paired with my primary rifle.

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>>31962106

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>>31962117

Still waiting on the Form 4 on this can; the Form 1 came in a while back on the 300 blk build.

Had dreams of owning multiple NFA goodies. Set up a trust, put the family on it so we could share things. Made an SBR PS90. Got a can for use on the various .45 ACP and .40 S&W pistols. Then the trust rules changed. Now I'd have to drag the entire family to get fingerprints and I have neither the time nor money for that.

Also, since I think long term, I put my then 15 year old niece and my 1 year old great-nephew on the trust. Really? I have to get a 1 year old fingerprinted? Not worth the effort at this point.

>>31962185

I submitted almost a dozen stamps before the laws changed.

You can use the silencershop kiosks to get everyone photo'd and printed pretty painlessly. Getting everyone to actually do it is the clincher.

I did the same as you and have close to 20 trustees as well, so it's an almost useless trust too.

>>31962219
That's the issue. Also, getting a 1 year old fingerprinted cannot be fun. I also don't see my nephew's wife agreeing to it. She like the hunting rifles, being a Fudd and all, but she isn't a fan of all the NFA things.

I should've submitted a bunch of stamps before the law changed.

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>>31962285

C'est la vis

is 4chan kill?

>>31962285
>>31962185

Remove them from the trust, send documentation of the removal with the ATF forms.

When you get approved, shred the paperwork removing them.

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Those are the other two cans. I have an SBS 9mm AR that I dont have pictures of. Slide of the p227 and barrel from the p220 are currently getting milled.

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>stamped

>>31962078
I'm just going to wait for Trump to stack the supreme court before I spring on any supressors.

>>31962185
>he fell for the trust meme
also no, a 1 year old is not a "responsible person" per 41f, you will get laughed at if you try to do that

>>31963130
nfa isnt liked around here i guess
>cuckstamp cuckstamp cuckstamp lel xD

I'm waiting on muh aow

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>>31965081
pic

>>31965004
hearing protection act yo

>>31965081
Never know with the ATF. Hate for them to come and shoot all the dogs in the family because I didn't get a 1 year old fingerprinted.

>>31965103
where did you get the barrel?

I have an SLR104UR and a Stoeger SxS that I want to cut, and an AR lower for future SBRing, I just haven't had the energy to do all the shit yet

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M92 SBR was denied
KLOBB was approved last week or so
9mm AR should be any day
TIRANT 45 should be next month

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>>31967231
I have some hi res ones on my PC, maybe I'll upload in a bit when I get home if anyone is interested

>>31962185
What happens if you don't get people to fingerprint?

>>31967486
atf wont approve and you dont get your item.

>>31968309
I already have the items, does this only apply to future items?

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My DD MK18 with Surefire SOCOM556-RC Suppressor. Two stamps. Took 6 months of waiting.

>>31968335
yup. anything pre 41p is grandfathered in. new items need prints from every one in the trust.

>>31968360
let me rephrase that. any SUBMITTED before 41p is grandfathered in. if you have items pending the atf will approve.

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well I do have this, and an Omega in jail. I've since put an Aimpoint T-2 on it.

>>31968338
GT's MK18 looks so pretty. You know what woulod make it look even more qt, a geissele MK8 handguard.

>>31968429
link to stock plz

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>>31967231
>denied
Explain

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Ordered a Rem 870 police magnum this week and had it shipped to my LGS.
Went to pick it up today and it turns out that it was a 14" barrel not the 18.5" that was listed... So an online store shipped an NFA item form Tennessee to Texas with no NFA paperwork. Good job...

>>31968608
did, uh, did you keep it?

>>31968556
no link because the site I purchased it from is out of stock (pun not intended)
>DoubleStar Ace Socom Stock Gen 4
It's fucking heavy, by the way. I only got it to circumvent the weight of the suppressor and balance out the gun.

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>>31968630
The LGS couldn't sell it to me without the SBS paperwork. They ended up refunding me the cost+shipping.

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>>31962078
>>31962092
>>31962100

what suppressor is that?

>>31968644
stupid gun store and checking the barrel length and all that. oh well, at least your dog is safe.

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>>31968660
Good doggo

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>>31968682
lets set up a play date

>>31962078
When did you file for the stamp? I have one I sent in May 2nd so it should be back any day between now and 2 years from now due to 41p

>>31969867
i put two in last feb for cans. i picked up one last month. the other needed to be edited because of a typo. still waiting on that one.


also e-filed 2 form 1's in early july. still waiting on those as well.

>>31969984
So I'm looking at January or February hopefully.

>>31970005
who knows. it depends where you live and the backlog grew exponentially after the 41p announcement. a year before that my form 4s took less time than the e-files im still waiting on.

>>31970076
Yeah I think I made it before the huge mass that silencer shop sent in but I was way later into the game than I should have been.

>>31970076
>tfw my county used the congested ccw appointment system for cleo signatures until 41p

They only took certified check, not cash, so i had to reschedule for the next open slot..months later

So my batch of nfa forms could have gone out mid march but i had to wait until july
Fug

>>31962078
I have a few stamps.


I would welcom silencers not on nfa. I wouldnt hold my breath for much more than that.

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>>31962078
My 300 blk sbr with specwar 762

>>31968564
>t. Sandra "Sandy Hook" Smook

How do SBR laws work in America with an AR lower?

Do you just register the lower and then you can put any SBR upper on it?
Or do you have to keep that lower on that upper and register another lower for another upper?
Or are the uppers registered?

>>31970316
I think SBRs will be the first to go, since they're the easiest to argue for.

>putting a stock on a handgun for handgun hunters is illegal
>majority of actual SBR/SMG weapons are only concealable if you happen to be Secret Service.

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>>31970352
Any upper you want. But you must keep the upper configuration you registered the lower with so you can "return" it to the configuration you registered.

>>31970352
uppers are always parts. the lower is the gun.

you register for a stamp with a specific lower, caliber, barrel length and over all length. as long as you have the original configuration (as per your stamp) on hand you can swap out lengths, calibers...what ever as long it is on the same lower that has the stamp.


build a 10.5 556? cool, swap it out for 9mm, 300blk what ever the fuck you want as long as you own all the parts to return it to what the stamp says it is.

>>31970397
A hearing and safety device will be the easiest.

Hell saay it s for reducing pollution (noise pollution)

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my sbr

>>31962078
Bruv, buy a crye gun clip for your g19

>>31968653

AAC Illusion 9mm

>>31969867

Purchased it in late January, check cashed in March, approved November 2, arrived the 8th.

>>31971483

80's as fuck

I wanna get a suppressor to put on a pistol for Home defense.
I suppose a .45 would be best cuz subsonic ammo but i already have a glock 9mm.
Should i get a new gun and a suppressor or just get a new (threaded) barrel, suppressor and some subsonic 9mm?

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>>31962078
#ENDTHEFED
#ANDALSOTHENFA

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>>31971985
WRONG PIC
>caps

>>31971869

Over 9 months.

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>>31971985
woah

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Transferable select fire Olympic Arms lower and M4-2000

>>31972222

Nice quads.

Here's hoping the registry gets re-opened under Trump; or abolished altogether.

There will be a LOT of salty full auto owners out there if so.

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>>31968564
I put the model number incorrectly. M92 instead of PAPM92PV.

It was denied the day of 41f so I'm selling it this weekend. Would rather put the money towards a cooler gun.
>more klobb pics

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>>31972222

Get thread

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>>31972909

>Gun and magazine bans – the government has no business dictating what types of firearms good, honest people are allowed to own

http://concealednation.org/2016/11/trump-releases-his-2nd-amendment-policies-and-its-making-millions-angry/

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I have an approved PS90 as well but the barrel is still at TROS because he's a lying cunt

>>31972338
They didn't offer you the ability to correct the form and resubmit at the front of the line?

Have
>SBR'd AR

Waiting on
>Octane 45HD - 2 months out
>Omega .30 - 2 months out
>MP5 SBR - 1-4 weeks out
>Krink SBR - 2-6 weeks out
tfw going from 1 stamp to 5 stamps

>>31962078
>tfw check was cashed August 17
>tfw still no stamp
>tfw filed Form 4 exactly 377 days ago via efile trust
NFA must hate me or something.

Anyway, Omega [hopefully at some point].

>>31973191

>the barrel is still at TROS because he's a lying cunt

Fuck. I just bought a thread adapter from him.

1/2-36 to 1/2-38

He said he's 3-4 weeks back ordered.

>>31967231

Why was your M92 PAP denied? I want to SBR mine but have a Galil Ace brace on it for now.

If they deny it, do you still have to fork over your money?

>>31972274

Most auto owners want more full autos. Its only the "investors" who will bitch.

Does an Osprey allow you to use most standard pistol sights, or is it best to just get a factory handgun meant to be suppressed anyway so you'll have threads and raised sights?

>>31962078

>not having a trust with just you on it

Why? Just kidding, I know why, but you know they made it this way to discourage y'all. Glad I got my immediate NFA needs in before July. Got my suppressor and SBR stamps back a couple months ago and "built" my truck gun, a suppressed 300 BLK AR.

>>31973638

Depends on the pistol.

It still blocks a Glock.

>>31973638

The Osprey allows you to use factory sights, so you can just et a threaded barrel for whatever gun. IF you want to get any suppressor that doesn't have a low-profile like the Osprey, then you gotta get he raised sights and whatnot or get better with your instinct shooting.

If my check was cashed at the end of June for a Form 4 suppressor...how much longer do I have to go? And yes, I'm too stupid to use nfatracker.

no real point in spending money on NFA stuff now, its about to go down in value real quick. transferable post '86 machineguns are coming back

>>31973675

At a minimum, 3 more months. Likely 6.

>>31973684

Well, maybe I'll get a refund? Doubt it though.

>>31973692
Well, fuck me and call me Sally.

>>31973265
No. e-forms was down and it was denied the day of 41f. I called and the guy said as long as it was postmarked that day I could mail it in.
It was 4pm. Should have told him to go duck himself. Selling that gun to buy an roo

>>31971483
You made a child of the 80s just smile.

>>31973684
I question what parts of the NFA and Hughes Amendment will be repealed. I'd like to the Bush Sr. import ban repealed so we can finally get real AKs.

I'm holding off for now and going to wait to see what happens.

>>31973692
HPA has a provision to refund tax stamps issued after it was introduced.

That said, I kind of wish HPA dies now, so we can introduce "The Gun Control and Universal Background Check Act of Current Year" which does the following:

The NICS and Stolen Firearms Databases shall be opened to the public. The ATF shall provide a website and hotline to provide a buyer background check and stolen firearm check for no more than the cost to maintain the system. It shall be a felony to sell a firearm to anyone who is prohibited from purchasing a firearm, but the seller is absolved of any responsibility if they ran a NICS check which came back clear. It shall be a felony to possess a stolen firearm, but the owner shall be absolved of any responsibility if the owner ran a stolen firearms check which came back clear. All states shall be mandated to report qualifying reasons for prohibition to the NICS administration. It shall further be a felony offense to run a background check on an individual without their consent.

The price of a non-machine gun tax stamp is raised to $500.
The price of a machine gun tax stamp is raised to $5000.

Small print:
The definition of "antique" for firearms shall be defined as "older than 100 years", rolling.

The barrel length for a short barreled rifle/shotgun shall be defined as 12/14 inches.

The number of shots fired to qualify as a machine gun shall be more than three instead of one to protect owners of semi-autos from accidentally committing a felony in the event of a malfunction known as "doubling".
The registry for machine guns is reopened.
Suppressors are no longer controlled by federal law.
922(r) is hereby repealed.
The ATF discretion for importation of a firearm/ammunition are amended to permit any firearm/ammunition which is legal to possess in the US.
All restrictions on the sale of weapons from an FFL to an individual over state lines are lifted, provided they comply with the laws of both states.

>>31973849
>5k tax stamp for full auto
Nah, fuck that and you

>>31973884
Agreed.

Only say this because my house is almost paid off and I can very well see me taking a loan to buy something full auto within the next few years.

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>>31973638
My Osprey is just about level with the sights on my M&P. I like my Osprey, but there are so many good cans out there that needing taller sights isn't something that should make or break your decision on a particular one.

>>31973884
Three round burst is infinitely more useful and what I'm proposing would make it a standard AR feature, and you want the antis to look at the one or two things they like a lot, and immediately vote yes without reading the rest of the thing.

I mean, this basically opens the door on M16A2/4 and M4's via CMP.

Plus, even with a 5k Form 4, itll still be cheaper to buy a full auto AR than it is now.

>>31973849
This is ABSOLUTELY fucking stupid. States can still ban NFA items individually as states, so all this bullshit would do is raise the price of tax stamps.

>>31973927
The one reason I'd consider the Osprey is because I have four different pistols I could use it on. Not needing to replace the sights on a host of guns would be nice.

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Muh SBR'd Scorpion. Need to amass a couple more shekels to get a Dead Air Ghost M, but kinda want to see where the HPA goes before I purchase and form4 it.

>>31973948
States banning NFA shit is nothing new, and attempting to change that via federal regulation will get every dem filibustering as hard as they can, and then they'll push to repeal it if you even manage it through every single session until they get a democrat president, just like the Republicans want to do with ACA.

Leave that for SCOTUS. It will likely be 6:3 within 4 years, and they can extend McDonald to cover the "items most at the core of the second amendment" aka NFA arms in a way that dems cannot easily change for a hundred years.

>>31962185
Dude, wtf, did you pay someone to do this? If you did, were you drunk and did you have any inclination they needed drug money?
I hope at the very worst you used some download-a-legal builder...
Trusts can be very simple but you managed to fuck something simple up.
>>31965103
You really don't understand a trust, do you?
>>31965081
Trusts, depending on where you live (especially if you pair it with an LLC) are better than any alternative.

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>>31973951
That's a decent reason. If it were just one or two guns or you were planning on buying something to be a dedicated/main host that may come with suppressor sights or get an optic then it's probably not worth concentrating on.

There are two downsides to the Osprey, in my experience.

One is that it's not user serviceable. I really don't think it's a big deal for centerfire caliber cans. If I were buying anything else I'd make sure it was user serviceable, but it wasn't a deal breaker for the Osprey.

The other is that the mechanism for adjusting the orientation isn't super strong. If you crank it on tight and forget to take it off while it's still hot, you'll probably fuck up the latch.

>>31973638
Not on most pistols. The large majority of pistols will still require tall sights as with any other suppressor. A very small number of pistols have medium-height sights from the factory and will barely clear an Osprey, but tall sights would still be preferred.

>>31973666
>The Osprey allows you to use factory sights
So does any other suppressor. You still can't see the sights overtop of an Osprey on most handguns.

Keep in mind you guys that you can still shoot any pistol without having the iron sights visible over the circumference of the suppressor, like M&Panon says. You just shoot with both eyes open as normal. It takes a little getting used to, but it works in the same way as the old Single Point sights.

The Osprey looks neat but that's about all it's good for.

>>31962078
>>31962106
>>31962117

Snake? that you?

>>31973776
>I question what parts of the NFA and Hughes Amendment will be repealed.

None of it dum dum.

>>31973977
ascdsc

>>31965089
Fuck yeah.
I pray that shit gets passed fast.

I just picked up a SLR 104ur last week. I'm filling out my form 1 right now. Is it true page 1 and 2 need to be double sided on one sheet or the ATF will reject it? And what's the average wait time for a SBR?

>>31974869
Nine months is a pretty good estimate.
And double side your shit.

>>31973849
$500/$5000 fuck you.

We dont have to compromise with the dems. Fck that.

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>>31962078

>>31973849

That's still too much regulation.

I want to see the NFA dismantled.

>>31974869
Just filled out my SLR104UR Form 1. Double side it.

>>31974005
>Trusts, depending on where you live (especially if you pair it with an LLC) are better than any alternative.
t. NFApro.com
sorry 41f destroyed your market but ya gotta move on

>>31974869
>And what's the average wait time for a SBR?
Basically infinite right now unfortunately

>>31973849
>The price of a non-machine gun tax stamp is raised to $500.
>The price of a machine gun tax stamp is raised to $5000.
fuck you, you are a idiotic piece of shit