Shotguns

>>31936989
OP here

I meant Remington 870

>>31936989
>>31936993
get a vp9

>>31936989

I'm sure everybody has their own opinions but the 500 and 879 are pretty comparable. They also have similar amounts of aftermarket parts and customizability. You honestly couldn't go wrong with either one.
Not really sure about the Maverick 88, I always assumed it's a cheaper but generally solid alternative to a 500 or 879.

>>31936989
mossberg 590a1

I bought a rem 870 tactical but i think you should go with mossberg or a maverick. Felt like i paid too much for something i could have gotten for $100 less

>>31936989
Although it's never used, the reserves shotgun of choice is the 500 if I'm not 99.9% wrong. Not to say it's better for what you want but at least you know the parts will probably always be out there

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>>31936989

Was that picture taken on Mother Base?

Any mossberg 500 series will do you right.
Reliable and OEM and aftermarket parts are cheap.

>>31937177
I think it is.

>>31936989
The maverick is just a cheaper 500. Get the 500 tons of after market.

500 all day erryday

maverick 88 is basically economical version of the 500.
590A1 and you're probably set for pump shotgun. It'll take literal retardation on nuclear level to fuck that gun up.

1897 t r e n c h

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>>31936989
Mossberg 500, if you have the option and are willing to shell out a bit more than the Mossberg 590a1

The Maverick 88, the Mossberg 500, and the Mossberg 590 - 590a1 are all basically the same gun with increasing levels of quality.

Mossberg shotguns are nearly indestructible, very reliable, and idiot proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8e2PmWhNDE

Also if you use the Remington 870 regularly you might end up losing some skin.

>>31937139
This, spend a little more $$ and get the 590a1. Combat proven and nearly indestructible. I own 2 of these and they are fantastic.

One more vote for the 590a1.

LGS retailer here, don't choose a Remington, their QC is shit and has been for years. They rust extremely quickly on shelves, even though they're barely handled compared to others. We have to oil them every other day. Go with the Mossberg 500 or 590. I've owned both and they won't do you wrong. 590 is my preference.

>>31936989
Mossberg 590A1. Nothing else.

>>31939565
Agreed. The lack of a loading gate to catch your thumb on is glorious. And you can put a bayonet on it because why not.

590A1 owner here. Can recommend.

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got a question about chokes.
right now ive got this and want a shorter barrel cause im an idiot and didnt buy a combo.
the way i see it ive got 2 choices a 18 inch cylinder bore with bead sight or a 20 with bead sights and removable chokes.
im not concerned about the length difference coming from a 28 both are short enough.what i want to know is if the option to swap chokes is worth it. the 20 + chokes costs more.

Mav is a great budget shotgun. if there's accessories you want get the mav and use the money save otherwise get the 500.

>>31939703
If you will only ever shoot buckshot from it, it is not worth it.

If you ever wish to shoot trap or hunt with it, it is worth it.

>>31939737

This.

Honestly some of the best police shells with flight control wads (like Federal's lineup) are designed to be fired out of cylinder bore (18.5" non-choked barrel).

>>31939703

Is that a FLEX?

>>31936989
Get a 500. The Field/Security combo is nice.

>>31939737
eh ive got the longer barrel to hunt with. want the short one for convenience.
dont mind shelling out a bit more if there is an actual benefit.
>>31939770
thats a stock photo not my gun. dont have a flex. the pic might be a flex i dunno.

>>31936989

The 500, the 88 if you're cheap and you don't plan to use it a lot.

>>31937939
>this
i love mine sure no 3in shells but SLAMFIRE

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hi guys which shotgun to shoot birds that has wood on it, bye thanks

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>>31936989
>Mossberg 500
mossberg 500

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>>31936989
Get a Remmington 870 Police model if you can find one. Mossberg 500 and Rem 870 are really similar with the controls making the biggest difference.
http://www.rem870.com/2016/10/05/infographic-remington-870-vs-mossberg-500/

>>31939995
break-action, pump, or auto-loader?

>>31940108
break-action they are cool, under 2k

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>>31940070
>Mossberg 500
Mossberg 500

>>31940119
Pump is the way to go, you can use it for home defense, hunting, and tacticool bs. Break actions are only good for skeet.

>>31940119
can't recommend anything then...
not familiar enough with break-actions

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German noguns on the way of getting his liscense here,I have a Question that my instructor couldn't really answer me:
How do modern shotguns differ in each other,and how do they differ from older style guns?

As far as I understand they still shoot the same shells,barrel lengths stayed the same,pump action didn't really change,and magazine size is also pretty much the same,so what makes a newer Mossberg or Remington 870 so much better than a Old Winchester or Remington shotgun from 1900?

If you're going cheap, the Maverick 88 or the H&R Pardner Pump are awesome. The Mossberg 500 and the Remington 870 are basically the same.
I personally think that all of those except for the 870 are on similar quality- Remington has had quality issues recently. The store I used to work at would have 870's start rusting after a week or two on the sales floor, and a couple had pump handles that looked like they'd been carved by cub scouts.

I personally prefer the placement of the 500/88's safety, but it's really up to you.

The H&R is also a bit heavier than the 870, but like half the price.

>>31940153
To be honest, not a whole lot beyond aftermarket support. Pump action is a pretty basic thing.

>>31940153
Shotgun shells were originally designed for black powder, which you need a lot more of, that's why half the shell is just the wadding/piston whatever you want to call it

>so what makes a newer Mossberg or Remington 870 so much better than a Old Winchester or Remington shotgun from 1900
more advanced alloys, interchangeable chokes, more rugged reliable parts, lighter weight, lower manufacturing cost

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>>31940153
>How do modern shotguns differ in each other,and how do they differ from older style guns?
less exposed parts, more modular and easier to manufacture.
a 500 or 870 has the bolt lock into the barrel
the receiver is just something that holds everything in a right place. this lets you do things like aluminum receivers.
on older designs bolt locks into the receiver.
receiver is more complex. it has to be sturdy to hold up.
on modern guns a trigger/hammer is just one self contained complete unit. much easier to deal with or swap out.
with an old gun its a bunch or parts in a receiver the receiver had to be cut a certain way for those parts to fit. you take one thing out everything falls out in a clusterfuck.

>>31937002
>879

found the bullshit artiste

So my dad has a pre-77 870 Wingmaster 20 gauge and he wants to get a slug barrel for it for deer hunting. I was thinking that might be a cool christmas present, but it turns out that none of the new barrels would fit because his gun is a Standard frame, which are bigger than the new ones. Now, my question is: would it be possible to make a new 20 gauge barrel work on his gun by grinding a bit out? And, more importantly, would it be safe to fire such a configuration?

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>>31936997
jesus christ not this again

>>31936989
Mossberg 590A1 or 500

>>31940276

I wouldn't do it.

I've heard before that the 870 Police Magnum, Marine Magnum, and Wingmaster were built on a different production line than any of the 870 Express models and that the horrible QC issues that have plagued Remington as of late have not really affected those models. Is this true or fuddlore? Can anyone confirm?

>>31936989
590A1.

Both the 870 and the 590 are great, but the Mossberg's loading gate stays in the upward position. It makes a huge difference, reloading is much faster... especially in cold weather when your fingers are cold.

>>31940780
its more like this
gun is 95% done its an express ship it the fuck out
police fuck we better make sure this shit works finish it to 99% ship it out
wingmaster its done but we are going to spend even more time on it to make everything nice and perfect.

id say the pre freedom buyout expresses were on the level of the current police models

the express standards have dropped so low its not there

>>31937177
Looks like Soap from Cowadooty.

Depends on what you want to do with it. The Maverick is the budget Mossberg 500, and has a different safety and trigger group, but will take all the stocks and barrels of the 500. 870s are generally nicer shotguns, but for a defensive gun only I'd take the 590(A1), but those can't use standard 500 barrels, or even swap out barrels between the 18.5" and 20" models. If you plan on using it for defense, hunting, and sport, and don't want to blow a lot of money, I'd say get the 18.5" Maverick 88 with both the normal stock and the spare pistol grip, and then get a 26" or 28" barrel.

Retarded nogunz faggot here, never even touched a gun. I'm thinking of getting a Mossberg 500 or 590, but I want to try it out first.

The only place around me that rents out shotguns is a clay pigeon place. Is it still worth my time/money? How hard are they to hit for a complete beginner? Should I just give up and get a handgun instead?

>>31941168
a handguns going to be 10 times harder to shoot than a shotgun
clays are fun even if you suck and miss everything the very act of shooting a pump is fun

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>>31939995
Mossberg 500

>>31941167
>, I'd say get the 18.5" Maverick 88 with both the normal stock and the spare pistol grip, and then get a 26" or 28" barrel.
dont do this if you intend on getting 2 barrels.
1. the combo deal of a real mossberg is much more cost effective if you want both barrels.
2. the 18 inch barrel is the cheap barrel its substantially cheaper than any other barrel length. if you do buy a mav 88 get the long barrel one since its priced exactly the same as the short one. buy the short barrel latter

>>31940913
>yfw when you want ksg but not keltec

>>31940626
Alright, thanks.

>>31937139
What's the difference between the 590a1 and 590?

>>31936989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vaa6wsw7Ts
remmington is harder to clean, modify and add things to, also a buddy has complained it had an internal part he replaced three times and had it for 2 years until he sold it

mossberg above rem, dunno about maverick

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Stealing OP's thread.

>20+ inch barrel
>3"+ chamber
>interchangeable chokes
>9+ capacity
>bayonet lug
>not tactic00l, but rugged
>under $500
>wide market for aftermarket stocks, mag tubes, barrels, etc.
>vented rib preferred, then bead, then maybe ghost ring, lastly picatinny
>maybe small rail on end of mag tube or fore grip for a modest looking but powerful light.

I was thinking pic related, but I want wood furniture. [Spoiler] I like the heat shield [/spoilers don't work on /k/]

Quick question, I have an 870 express Magnum, from the serial identification I got that it's from 05, anything I need to know about it at all? When did the qc issue start happening?

>>31941773
>>9+ capacity
its 8+1
buy furniture off ebay and swap it out

>>31941836
>When did the qc issue start happening?
rems been declining since the 90s but the real complaints started in 2007
your guns fine

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Literally anything mag fed.

>>31941861
It's also a shorter barrel than I want. Sorry, I wasn't very clear. I want something like that Mossberg but with the features listed, without having to spend too much on aftermarket.

>>31939995
Benelli Ethos

Mossberg 590A1 18.5" with a +2 mag tube extension, all you need for life

>>31936989
None of those.
Either get a Mossberg 590 or a Benelli M4

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This is all you need

>>31941934
you know a 9 shot tube requires a 24 inch barrel right? if its 10+1 its like 28
if you want a gun you can do stupid shit to you buy a 835 since that takes extensions and has longer barrels available. you get the side benefit of 3.5 shells.
if you start with a 500 theres no mag extensions
if you start with a 590 all the barrel options are short though the 5 shot model is capable of fitting 835 barrels.

>>31936989
(Part 1 of 2)

Here's an informed opinion, OP. Please read.

I loooove a good pre-2000's 870 Wingmaster for hunting and even sporting clays. I've put about 5000 rounds through an 12ga 870 Wingmaster alone, and several hundred through 12ga and 20ga 870 Express guns. Compared to the Wingmaster, I don't like the Express version very much. It's rougher and doesn't cycle as smoothly, but I'd still take an 870 Express over any Mossberg for hunting or trap shooting. I've probably put 400 or 500 rounds through Mossbergs (mostly the 590) and they always feel crude to me. The Mossberg safety is in a fucking retarded place on top of the grip and actuates back-and-forth instead of side-to-side, so you have to destabilize your grip to flip it every single time. A blued and walnut 870, though, is beautiful field gun -- with a safety that is in the best, most perfect fucking place ever right behind the trigger where all gun safeties belong (tied with the Winchester pumpgun safeties, which have it right in front of the trigger).

Frankly, I hate Mossbergs.

That said, I'd always choose the Mossberg 590 or 590A1 over the Remington 870 for a combat/tactical shotgun.

Always, no exceptions.

>>31942043
(Part 2 of 2)

The reason for this regards the difference between the shell elevators. The Mossberg's elevator is wide open and allows you to access the action from the bottom no matter where it is in the cycle, while the Remington's is solid thus blocking any access. When the bolt is closed the Mossberg's shell elevator remains up against the bottom of the bolt. The Remington's shell elevator is down when the bolt is closed or mostly closed. Very rarely (maybe 3 or 4 times ever) I've had a Remington 870 double feed, meaning I had a shell in the chamber and another shell came out of the magazine and wedged between the elevator and the bolt. If this happened on a Mossberg, the worst result is you lose one shell from the magazine. When this happens on an 870 you have to take the barrel all the way off, dump the top round out, wiggle the bottom round out the top, and then put the barrel back on. I don't care if once in a blue moon I get a double feed while hunting ducks or shooting clays because all the other attributes of the 870 make those activities more enjoyable. If I miss a shot at a duck or have to skip a round of clays -- "Oh well." If that same thing happened in a gunfight it could get you killed. While I can't personally remember having a double feed while shooting any Winchester design, most Winchester pump guns also have a solid, closed down elevator and I've heard a couple Winchester owners explain encountering the exact same "double feed = field strip the gun" problem. In the Mossberg 590/590A1 design there's no way this can ever happen.

>>31942056
(addendum of parts 1 and 2)

I think the 590/590A1's also have dual extractors so there's a level of redundancy in an essential part of the system where there typically is none. Supposedly the elevator design makes them slightly faster to feed, too (though to me there's no noticeable difference). There are some really oddball FTE situations that would be annoyingly difficult to clear with an 870 (or any other traditional down-closing elevator design), but which would be easy to remedy through the open elevator of the Mossberg.

So in case you look into it, there are several YouTube videos on how to clear an 870 double feed in a fight. -- Not one of then shows what I'm talking about, which is where you're shooting fast and ride the bolt over the second shell jamming the gun half-open and unable to move forward or back, or when your magazine feeds under a closed bolt jamming it closed. There's no way to wiggle the gun to unjam those kinds of double feeds without giving the top shell a place to go (thus opening up a place for the other shell to move). The only way to do that is to take off the barrel.

Again, the 870 is my favorite pump field gun design. I like Ithaca and Winchester pump designs, too. But, for a tactical pump shotgun the Mossberg 590 (and especially the 590A1) is a superior design for this purpose.

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>>31936989

See: >>31942043 , >>31942056 , and >>31942089

This past weekend, the guys next to me at the range brought some kind of bottom ejecting pump, I think it was a Stevens 350.

One guy had the hardest time racking the slide. He might have been noguns/just learning, since the other guy seemed to know what he was doing. The pump fore end detached from the rail after half an hour.

>>31942383
thats about what you expect from a sub 200 shotgun thats not the 500 or 870 knockoff

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>>31939904
I just got my 1897 converted. Should be fun.

I went with a Maverick 88 but I wish I went with the Mossberg 500 desu.

>>31941724
Metal vs polymer trigger group

>>31941724
>>31942507
its more than that
the finish is different
the barrel on a 590a1 is even thicker than the 590 one
bolt is black

>>31941773
590sp

Ithaca 37, for all your shotgunning needs

mossburger 500

>>31937139
I agree with this. This is.my security shotty. Reliable, affordable, durable.

I'm looking at getting my first shotgun for Deer Hunting. Looking at a model at my lgs, it's a single shot, 28" barrel, and full choke. How will this affect my spreads?

I'll use slugs for deer but I'm just wondering how tight my spreads will be.

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>>31940913
>>31941535

>>31940105

That picture is reaching critical levels of autism.

>>31943159

How is a humorously painted shotgun autistic.

The word is losing all meaning.

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Get the Mossberg 695 and shoot some Palestinians!

why would you get the maverick if you can have a 500/870?

i like remingtons, but i would go mossberg all day.

and yes, they are both great guns but i've had a mossberg 500, so that's that.

>>31941861
Leave the furniture. Pistol grips on a 500/590/590A1 are dumb due to the placement of the slide release lever.

>>31943546

>why would you get the maverick if you can have a 500/870?

Maverick 88 is a bargain for the money, its basically a Mossberg 500 without any bells and whistles. If you want a shotgun for SHTF that you aren't planning on hunting with a lot, it will do the job.

>>31941886

I figured so because they haven't made "Express Magnum" in a while, not since 3 inch shells have become pretty standard in what shotguns can load.

Thank you very much by the way

>>31942931
Bump

>>31936989
I have a Benelli Nova and I love it. I just wish it had a longer tube

>>31936989

What is THAT one?

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Winchester.

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>>31936989
QUESTION:

How stupid would a pump-action 20ga be for hd?

Reccomendations?

>>31947020
It would probably be pretty adequate, t-b-h familia.

I'd personally want a 12g, but if 20 suits you and/or your family better then so be it.

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>>31947020
20 gauge is perfectly fine for HD. it's perfectly good for hunting as well.

I prefer the 12 gauge, but don't let anyone tell you that 20 won't put any mother fucker not wearing body armor in the dirt.

>>31947020
20g totally adequate for hd. Depending on how comfortable you are with 12g recoil, 20g may be preferable. Also recommend #4 buckshot for hd.

>>31943598

Pistol grip is also a bad idea on mossberg because of location of safety. I have a 930spx with a pistol grip and it is just awkward reaching the safety.

>>31939995
get a perazzi faggot

>>31940780
wingmasters are the only way to go for a nice Remington 870. I love my old police-issue slug gun. The wingmaster also has the advantage of being easier to put an extended mag tube on too, due to how the magazine spring is retained.

>>31941896
not a saiga though. Get a Vepr, it has everything you'd want to do to a saiga already done to it.

>>31942056
take your 870 to a good gunsmith, your double feeding is being caused by an issue with your shell stop tabs and a good gunsmith will be able to fix it without any issue.

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>>31936989
I have a 590 and zero complaints. Never had a single issue with it and it's eaten everything I have thrown into it. There's a lot of talk about a decline in quality with the newer 870's, but I don't have any personal experience with that so I'd say do your research if you're leaning that way.For the price I paid, I am very happy with my 590 and it's what I keep for primary home defense.
Whatever you choose, just don't be a VP9 fag.

KSG is the MEME shotgun, but it is actually pretty capable. Just don't expect it do things a field barrel shotgun will. Like shoot birds at far distances.

>though with a choke it will do clays well enough.

>>31936989
>Mossberg 500
I enjoy my 590a1

>>31947821
This Vepr makes a much better gun out of the box.

You'll have to really mod a Saiga if you want it to be as good.

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>>31940070
>Mossberg 500
Mossberg 500
>>31940130
>Mossberg 500

>>31948347
thank you for reiterating what I said anon

>>31942449
Fuck anon I'm jealous.