why was the first world war so...creepy? watching documentaries

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Well it was the end of the world for most of the people there. Over 60k killed a day...

>>31925414
>giving the guy a gas mask
>not giving the horse a gas mask
Bastards.

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>>31925414
>length 3002 days
>deaths(both civilian and military) 17,000,000

deaths per day 5,663

good work Anon kun!

The horrors of modern mechanization collided with the terrors of antiquated thinking.

The manufacturing, engineering and scientific colossus of the modern world combined with the artistic and organics of the old world. Old ideas and tactics clashed with new weapons.

World War I was a horrific clash of two eras.

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They tried to live normal lives but they failed

>>31925386
Because it was so dirty.
I don't mean the opposite of clean, I mean that it was all mud, blood and fear.

I can not imagine how horrifying it would be to see bits of people everywhere, corpses all over, infections on every injury, nonstop explosions, being wet all of the time...
Of all the wars that were fought that one must have been the most hell.

>>31925433
Sorce?

>>31925433
2nd part of Verdun. Over 60k dead french soldiers

>>31925447
https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=long+long+did+ww1+last%3F

https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=wwi%20deaths

Where'd you pull 60k a day from Go-go-fuck yourself!

>>31925433
are you autistic?

>>31925459
perhaps during certain parts of the war.

but to say 60k everyday is a straight faced lie!

>>31925461
I think he was talking about the 60000 British casualties at the start of the somme offensive. Although only 20000 of those died.

>>31925465
Sorce? Wikipedia or something?

>>31925443
>I can not imagine how horrifying it would be to see bits of people everywhere, corpses all over, infections on every injury, nonstop explosions, being wet all of the time...

That was only some parts of the front, and most soldiers on average spent little time in those intense parts before being rotated to quieter, more comfy areas (I don't know the exact stats)

And what you describe is literally no different to any other war, I don't know why people rant on about WW1 as being somehow more horrific, the thing that set it apart was the sheer scale of human losses/the front which had never been seen before

>>31925462
>>31925461
Can you not read?

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>>31925386
>why was the first world war so...creepy
because you anglo fucks didn't fight in the second. second one was much more terrifying on the eastern front- with shit like pillboxes out of frozen bodies, rzew offence, mass atricities against civilians, etc.

i wish the west would see and understand a true horror of war, and then never rise from the ashes.

>>31925468
Nah im talking about Verdun. 55k French and 60k Germans on the secon phase of the battle which lasted my bad 12 days but most of the casualities hapened from 6-7 and 10-14

>>31925479
he obviously didn't mean every day you tard.

>>31925480
>because you anglo fucks didn't fight in the second

The Anglo butthurt from WW1 still lingers on to this day funnily enough, and whenever a brit claims Churchill "won" WW2 i fucking cringe pretty hard

Soo does anyone have any famili pgotos? Mine were lost in the 20's it wasn't that popular to be in Wehrmacht in Poland

>>31925386

Old tactics meet new equipment.

Defensive technology and doctrine made leaps and bounds where offensive technology and doctrine was still stuck in the rifled musket stages.

Presighted, long range, easy to load artillery, machine guns accurate out to hundreds of yards, rifles accurate out to hundreds of yards, and earthwork fortifications that made it extremely hard to bomb out enemy positions. All of that while attackers had little more than rifles and hand grenades to assault hardened positions.

Same shit we saw in the US Civil War, except the North was using Napoleonic shoot and charge bullshit early war while the South had perfected shoot and scoot skirmishing.

What made it so awful though was the experimenting that went on, such as chemical warfare and doctrine experiments that spent tens of thousands of lives just to see how an enemy would react.

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>>31925480
>>31925494

>You Anglo fucks didn't fight in the second

Have you ever actually read a history book desu? Because last time I checked, 'us Anglo fucks' most certainly did fight in the Second World War and for a lot longer than the fucking yanks did. To say that the English didn't fight is absolutely absurd.

>>31925531
I agree with you but still you weren't the main forces on the continent. But yeah yankees only came here to die not to win

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>>31925433

>1914-1918
>3002 days

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>>31925531
you didn't. people who were devastated in war were russians, chinks, japs and jerries to some extent.

you fucks flying your bombers and sending boys to serve in the army isn't anywhere near my grandma's evacuation train coming under bombardment and her then living her childhood starving and fighting off rats that tried to eat her, while 8 of her 12 brothers all died on the front, as well as her father and his father. west "participated" in the war, especially americunts. it didn't fight in the war.

>>31925386
>watching documentaries about the war makes the whole thing seem surreal and strange
Old silent black white footage + herky jerky old timey framerate + anachronistic clothing styles = uncanny valley

>>31925553
Go be butthurt about tribulations you never faced somewhere else vatnik.

>>31925553
Both sides did horrible things. We shouls focus on future instead of fthe past. Onward to future /K/amaraden

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>>31925553
Ok it's not as if there are other sad stories from all fronts

>>31925531
Let's see:
>you didn't do shit for Poland
>you dragged neutral Norway and Denmark into WW2, and then got BTFO (well done)
>you got BTFO in France by a bunch of light tanks
>you withstood a small-scale bombing campaign of some cities in England, well done, the Germans were incompetent at strategic bombing so you achieved nothing (WE WUZ TAKING SHELTER N SHIET)
>you started a coup in Yugoslavia, thus getting BTFO shorty thereafter
>you got BTFO in Greece
>you got BTFO repeatedly in North Africa by a man who kept overextending himself and had a tiny military force
>you only did well in North Africa once you dragged America into your shitty little Mediterranean fight that you couldn't win
>you didn't even defeat Italy, they defeated themselves (literally), and then you struggled to push back the Germans in north Italy and was mostly static warfare until '45 (Americans did most of the work anyway)
>you soon realize Stalin is going to make the whole of Europe into a soviet socialist republic so you beg the Americans to land in France, and they do most of the work against a reduced German force that had no real hope of holding onto territory in the West anyway
>do a few bombing raids and claim you won the war
>didn't do shit in the pacific, again, until America came in you were loosing

V for victory amirite?

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>>31925544
Very true. I remember my grandfather saying something about the size of US patrols compared to British patrols. US patrols were huge compared to the Brits and so whereas the Brits would have just enough men to get the job done, the yanks had many unnecessary men who, as you said, were really just there to bump the death toll up so that they would at least have something to wave over everyone else's heads at the end. I realise a fleeting comment from my grandfather is a horrifically unreliable source but fuck it.

>>31925553
This also applies to you too. Just because we were better at not fucking dying doesn't mean we didn't fight.

>>31925553

>Russians angry that their government was so shit they purged anyone from the military that could've prevented this
>they take it out on anyone that was competent

Jesus tittyfucking Christ, dude. Get a fucking grip, and also, you didn't see any of that happen, so fuck off. I couldn't give 2 shits what happened to granny slav

>>31925596

Probably has something to do with the US wanting to make sure they had enough men, and the British having a manpower shortage.

Jesus fuck you guys are retarded.

What happened to people who knew shit on this board? Had this board always been filled with bumbling retards?

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>>31925571
>>31925573
>>31925592
>>31925596
>>31925598
i am simply stating that the war broke russian mass unconscious and russians would gladly start a war right now to hurt you people too. to hurt everyone. which with your new administration actually can be a thing.

i'm looking forward to us all burning.

>>31925544
Yankees accomplished more in the Pacific in 2 years than the Anglos did in the entire war.

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>>31925612
As I said, it's a woefully unreliable source so just allow my tinfoil hat conspiracy shit for now would you?

Besides, it's not that unlikely to be true. Once you reach a certain number of men in a fighting group, any more men will likely just get in the way. Thus, more casualties.

>>31925641
>i'm looking forward to us all burning.
Me too.
I haven't decided if I want the bombs to drop in my sleep or when I'm awake yet though. Something about the idea of not realizing that I'm dying unnerves me.

>>31925472
I don't think artillery had ever been done like that--that scale and that advancing wave tactic, where literally the ground as far as you could see in front of you exploded, and then it moved 50 yards closer to you and exploded, and it kept doing that until it was on you, and you exploded, and then there was a mass of soldiers stabbing you. or chemical warfare.

The artillery and weather led to some particularly nasty stuff like the huge artillery holes in the field filling up with water, then body parts/shit/blood, then chemical war agents.

>>31925641
I don't if you know this but Americans have suffered like everyone else

>>31925641
>>31925655

Heh.

Oh wow, that's pretty fucking edgy. Don't cut yourself, retards.

>>31925647

>please allow me to indulge in my paranoid fantasy while also spreading it

No, fuck you. This is exactly why there are creationists and other stupid groups.

Your theory is stupid, your grandpa or whatever, yeah he was stupid, too. ANYONE who believes this is stupid or ignorant.

>intentionally allowing soldiers and future taxpayers to die after spending thousands of dollars to train, equip, and ship them across the world makes any fucking sense at all

No, fuck no.

>>31925386
It's probably because all the documentaries are silent and have that jerky quality to them.
No more creepy than any other war.
>>31925439
US Civil War pretty much already did that.
>>31925494
Never in my life have I ever heard a fellow bong claim that Churchill won the second world war, they usually say the Americans did.

>>31925641
Nuclear war is entirely winnable and entirely survivable.
Start one. Russia will lose.

>>31925643
Bu.. but its ww1 thread

>>31925433
>four years is somehow 3,000 days

Anon, I...

>>31925386
The massive loss of life.
The way many of those men were buried alive or completely obliterated by artillery.
The desolate battlefield landscapes.

>it's a "no MY country won it! Yours was totally worthless and we would've won it even if they didn't exist" thread
Fuck off

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It's my favorite war.

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>>31925386
I wouldn't call it creepy, but WW1 is weird to think about because to me it feels like the first big war of the modern era but it started over a century ago.

A hundred years ago the last great European war was fought. The only war fought on that continent that was almost completely without honour, instead filled with brutality. The only war that was fought without purpose, a massive slaughter for national tensions and the personal reasons of emperors.

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>>31925595

ameri-cunts

>turn up late for WW1
>turn up late for WW2
>couldn't win in Korea
>lost in Vietnam
>beat up little kids in Panama and Grenada
>didn't know what to do in Somalia
>pulled up short in Gulf War 1
>called the game too early in Gulf War 2 "mission accomplished!"
>stuck in Shitstan

go team!

Any of you fags played Necrovision?

>>31925433
First day of the Somme left 60,000 dead

>>31925595
This guy is right.

>>31925531
S I N G A P O R E

>>31926009
no

>>31925994
>The only war that was fought without purpose, a massive slaughter for national tensions and the personal reasons of emperors.
kill yourself please

>>31925998
You forgot

>bomb the british at every ocasion

Its like its part of there training or somthing.

>>31925386

Because the cameras sucked.

>>31925433
LOL OH MAN YOU FUCKED UP

>>31925998
Nice try chav, you pommies were shit in WW2, left us Aussies for dead, Surrender to the Japanese in Singapore? Are you fucking kidding?

>>31925998
dont forget

>literally betting on WW1 - allies win - allied stocks go up, central powers win - central powers related stocks go up.
>Staying out of WW1 as long as possible for muh profits
>Lusitania is sunk - "who cares?"
>Germans blow up shit on US mainland - "who cares?"
>Germans convince mexicans to invade US - "OH FUCK THIS IS WAR, FUCK THE GERMANS, WE'RE GOING OVER THERE"

Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzf9aHZmCAM

>>31926111
>Surrender to the Japanese in Singapore? Are you fucking kidding?
The Brits weren't expecting tanks, but the Japanese had nice light tanks that could cross improvised log bridges - they came in with tanks and artillery, and fucked the brits over. Any nation would have been wrecked in that situation. Not saying the british command was any good, but put US in the same situation - not really expecting combined arms with tanks - and they would have done the same thing.

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>>31926152
>Not saying the british command was any good, but put US in the same situation - not really expecting combined arms with tanks - and they would have done the same thing.
They did. And what did the USA get?

6 months holding the Japs off at Bataan.

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>>31925432

>>31926171
>6 months holding the Japs off at Bataan.
really shows how competent the Japanese forces were. Probably the best fighting force in the asia pacific region, until around 1943 or 1944 when the US stop being green.

You dont conquer 1/5 of the world by being shit, and the Japs had been fighting since 1931, so they really knew their shit.

>>31925998

Nice bait. Not even gonna respond.

Nice colonies, also, good job getting your ships sunk by poverty Argies over literally pointless islands just to pretend to maintain m-muh Brittania r-rules the waves.. the s-sun never sets...

>>31925386
WW1, aside from being catastrophic and occurring under surreal circumstances, is in the uncanny valley between immediately remembered history and an antique story that's easy to read about but you don't bother imagining much. In a few decades I suspect it'll look more like the civil war does to us. It's too distant to feel like something that happened to the world as we know it, but not distant enough to be objectified.

Timing aside, WWI represented the dawn of frontline journalism. It was early, so we don't have much, but it's some. WWII had relatively extensive coverage, while, aside from written accounts, there's not much left to tell us what something like the Civil War was really like to live through. With WWI, we have pictures of real people in trenches that we can tell are going through hell, but there's not any real coverage. There's just enough for it to seem real but not enough to piece together what it must have been like.

tl;dr: I think WWI seems surreal because it's half remembered.

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enjoy your nightmares

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Pd527GN48

>>31926187
>it's half remembered.
there are many, many vivid and accurate recollections of the war. Just need to know where to find them.

More like *Its half remembered by people who aren't interested in looking into it.
Once you start digging you realize you can get a very clear picture of it, from the people who were there.

The "14 diaries of the Great war" series is a more mainstream example, but memoirs are where its at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARD-xXwKI3A

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>>31926198
Thanks anon, I'll check that shit out

>>31925386
It's because it was the last war in black and white.

>>31926193
>spoopy moozik and a filter makes it HARDCORE COOL DEATH like in my japanese animes and warhammer grimdark 9000k

>>31925730
>US Civil War pretty much already did that
But not with the entire world, you see. Not with aeroplanes, not with automatic fire, not with chemical warfare.
Do not compare the internal squabble of the United States with "The War To End All Wars"

>>31926236
Anon there is no point in telling that you see its the Muh Civil War which is the most important of the all wars. WW1? Doesn't matter. WW2? Either. They simply don't understand

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>>31925730
>US Civil War pretty much already did that.
* Russo-Japanese war already did that.

First widespread usage of the machine gun, and heavy trench usage and fortifications, as well as aircraft and modernities such as radio and pre dreadnought ships.

Russo-Japanese war (1904 - 1905) is a really interesting period and relatively unknown in the public eye. If people had paid attention to it, WW1 may have been very different. Most nations sent observers to the war, but they ignored their reports of machine guns being excellent and cavalry being almost useless.

>>31925701
Stop being a cunt. Simple as. Its not that great of a stretch of the imagination to think that your corrupt shit hole of a country would do something like that. You only have to look at the messed up shit the Clintons have on their record to realise that your can and have done deplorable things to the people they're supposed to care for and you're about to vote one of them in as fucking President for Gods sake. Grow a pair mate, open you fucking eyes and realise that America isn't the one that always comes swooping in to save the day as Hollywood would have you believe.

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any of you /k/ommandos play Verdun?

>>31926193
This is an editing nightmare alright.

>>31925553
>muh poor japs

those slant eyed faggots brought it on themselves. and got absolutely destroyed by Anglos in the process

fuck off weeb

>>31925641
Oh my Jesus fuck could you be a bigger faggot

>>31925595
Britain:
>won in N.Africa
>won in the Atlantic
>won in Italy
>won in W.Europe
>won in Burma/Indochina

That's the reckoning at the end.

Britain received a lot of help from the US, without which total victory would have been impossible. But either you are intentionally misreading history for (you)s, or you have simply not read enough.

Britain had setbacks and triumphs in WW2 like all other nations. But I suspect you already know that.

>>31925386
It's probably because all the footage is weird framerate black and white, which looks odd, plus everyone (well almost) looks kind of awkward in the photos.

It becomes much more human and 'real' when you read first hand accounts (same with any period really e.g. Julius Caesar in Gaul etc.).

>>31926077
After you

>>31926254

>all this unrelated, political, half baked paranoid fantasy ad hom bullshit

Congrats, not only was gramps a flagrant retard, he reproduced, and that abomination found someone dumb enough to accept his seed, and they created the mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, paranoid lunatic that posts on this forum today.

>Hollywood and other bullshit

Yeah, where did I say any of that? Oh, I didn't? Well fuck, that doesn't fit your narrative very well, good thing you constructed a strawman!

You implied that Allied High Command sent in too many Americans to get them killed intentionally, and you got that idea from a senile old man who was desperately grasping to the old order idea that Americans are stupid and can't wage war, and that only the best and brightest Imperials can handle "man's work."

Nowhere did I imply that America saved the day, because that would be a disgusting, gross overstatement of all of the brave men that fought and died from Britain, the ANZACs, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Poland, and many others, your grandfather included.

The fact that you imply that somehow MY family went over there to save your democracy and were thrown down the shitter while YOUR family was composed of heroes and gentlemen offends me just as much as you would be offended if I implied that Britain was nothing but a lend-lease state for 4 years living on American generosity.

I am fully aware of my nation's flaws, but you need to get a fucking grip on history.

>>31925596
>dey just added men to units to die xddddd

This is on par with 5 Sherman's to kill one tiger myth. You should be ashamed for even thinking for a moment it's true

>>31926236
>>31926246
I'm well aware that they weren't world wars, you misunderstood, my indication was that the US Civil War was the first industrial war. Trench lines, relatively rapid firing weapons, heavy use of artillery, death from enemies you never saw, widespread civilian suffering and death etc etc
>>31926249
Also this, apologies for overlooking the Russo-Japabese war.

>>31926400
>implication

>>31926366
But he said something totally difrent. Also mentality American generals are Cavallry Commanders. They troops are the very own properity and they can do whatever they want with them. Masive charges for glory? Check. Suiciade missions? Check. They were simply a bunch of gloryhounds.

>>31926400
I see your point but the trenches and artillery barrage were used as i recall correctly after Gettysburg when the war practicly ended. Every battle after that was pointless massacre beacause south already lost

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>>31925386
It was the first major war in modern history. Every side was eager to try out all sorts of new weaponry and tactics.

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Because gas masks

>>31926509
>that french mask
KEK

>>31926509
I always like to imagine a non-nuclear apocalypse where WWII was just a full blown chemical and biological war like everyone was expecting back then and the entire planet turns into a 1930ish version of STALKER.

>>31926061
>a trading post defended by poo in loos
>Pretty cut off and no air cover

battle of the Atlantic/battle of britain was more important.

>>31926498
What uniform is that?

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>>31926255
Not much of a /k/ommando but I do

>>31925432
Horses are gay

>>31926525

Even though L. Ron Hubard was a crazy hack, the book Final Blackout was actually fantastic and is exactly what you're asking for.

>British soldiers fighting on the continent can't return home because all of the UK has been quarantined due to biological warfare used on it by the Germans

Yeah, it's p good senpai

It was the last actual war.

>>31926554
Finland

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>>31926185

>falklands as anything but a success

this mindless meming by 12 year olds has to end

the poverty argies had modern ships(including a carrier), modern aircraft and modern air defence and the Bongs were operating a carrier group out of range of their land based air assets(aside from Vulcans and Nimrods) in contested air space

if the USN had:

>cratered a runway while completely evading modern IADS with EW
>operated nuke boats with virtual impunity against an enemy with actual ASW while sinking important ships and scattering their fleet back to port like cockroaches
>retook via amphibious landing a well defended island located within a few hundred miles of a well armed non-dunecoon nation with limited causualities and a few small escort ships lost

then you fuckbois would be lauding it as the ultimate testament of the US Navy

>>31925595
do not forget that Brits and frogeaters betrayled czechoslovakia

>>31926945
Leave Brits alone like for real. I live in Poland and we remember they "betrial". And you know what? Noone gives a fuck because they were the only ones that helped us or cheks or slovakians after our countries got fucked. Read a book sometimes other than some bullshit propaganda.

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>>31926976
And this thread is about 1WW god damit. There were no Poland nor Chekoslovakia at that time. Read a book.

>>31926976
lul
we remember
you took our clay too

>>31927039
Hahahaha you have runed out of knedle haven't you?

>>31927061
hahaha
you have runed out of Katyń havent you ?

>>31927078
Lulz i brought food you brought mass murder. Oh you Cheks never change please

>>31927094
it wasnt mass murder, it was deratization

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>>31927113

>>31925745
And I was drunk when I typed that. Sorry m8.

>>31928278
No worries /K/amarad :)

>>31926061

>what the japs did to those people in the hospital was brutal

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>>31926346
Firstly, I never claimed that you had said anything about Hollywood mate. Im not quite sure how you mistook me stating something 'at' you with me quoting you. In fact, I'm somewhat embarrassed for you.

Secondly, I'm not saying that your family was any less gentlemanly than mine or whatever bullshit you came out with, as far as I'm concerned anybody who fought in that war is a hero no matter what side they fought for or where they happened to come from. Your family included.

However, what I am saying is that the US could have avoided many casualties by not keeping their men bunched into such large groups and instead take a more conservative approach, much like the British did. However, like I said this isn't me stating this in any official capacity what so ever. As I've said before several times now, it is a rather unreliable source as it was just a fleeting comment from my Grandfather and so isn't to be taken to heart, although from the research I've done it does seem that the yanks fought in larger groups and so there were more of them to be killed per engagement.

Also, my Grandfather didn't propose the theory that the larger groups of US soldiers were there to cause a greater death toll. He just said that they fought in larger groups, meaning more died. The theory that it was an intentional ploy to cause more deaths put in place by the higher ups is a speculation of my own that I even stated was based on an unreliable source so there's no real need to attack my Grandfather is there?

>>31925641
Ass mad Slav comes to terms that he is of the inferior race.

>>31926209
>le I am so contrarian.

>>31925998
The salt is real. Face it chum, the yanks are the better military.

>>31925595
Don't forget
>send poor strayacunts, canachinks and kiwis to fight for them

We automatically mounted the machine gun for action. Then like animals we burrowed into the earth as if trying to find protection deep in its bosom. Something struck my back where I carried my gas mask, but I did not pay attention to it. A steel splinter broke the handle of my spade and another knocked the remains out of my hand. I kept digging with my bare hands, ducking my head every time a shell exploded nearby. A boy to my side was hit in the arm and cried out for help. I crawled over to him, ripped the sleeves of his coat and shirt open and started to bind the bleeding part. The gas was so thick now I could hardly discern what I was doing. My eyes began to water and I felt as if I would choke. I reached for my gas mask, pulled it out of its container – then noticed to my horror that a splinter had gone through it leaving a large hole. I had seen death thousands of times, stared it in the face, but never experienced the fear I felt then. Immediately I reverted to the primitive. I felt like an animal cornered by hunters. With the instinct of self-preservations uppermost, my eyes fell on the boy whose arm I had bandaged. Somehow he had managed to put the gas mask on his face with his one good arm. I leapt at him and in the next moment had ripped the gas mask from his face. With a feeble gesture he tried to wrench it from my grasp; then fell back exhausted. The last thing I saw before putting on the mask were his pleading eyes.

Corporal Frederick Meisel, 371 Infantry Regiment, 43rd Ersatz Brigade, 10th Ersatz Division, German Army

>>31926551
>outnumbering your enemy 80,000 to 36,000
>Island considered the Gibralter of Asia, a fucking Fortress
>Expect the japs to come by sea so all heavy artillery is facing the sea
>Japs come by land and absolutely BTFOs the brits
> Bongs loose 5,000KIA and having 80,000 captured
>Mostly Aussies
>Japs loose 1,714 KIA and 3,378 WIA
Top fucking kek m8, you basically handed over your largest harbor in east asia and the home of one of your fleets to those cunts and leaving Australia vulnerable to attack form the japs. Stop trying to downplay the fact nips fucking BTFOd you

>>31929076
Damn, just imagine how much more difficult it would've been if the British were facing FUCKING RICE FARMERS WITH GUNS MADE OUT OF OLD SOVIET FURNITURE AND TRUCK PARTS.

That would've been really embarrassing.

>>31925432
Fuck horses.

And no I don't mean it like that, you pervert.

>>31925433
>Can't do basic math.
As expected from /k/.

>>31929076
Nobody denies it was a defeat.

The British dangerously underestimated the Japs, the quality of Jap troops was good, British + Commonwealth troops were green as fuck, Britain had higher priorities closer to home, Jap intelligence gathering had been extremely thorough, and so on and so forth.

It was a shit storm of colossal proportions, and doomed tens of thousands of men to slavery and death. It is widely acknowledged as one of the worst defeats Britain suffered in its long history. But it happened for various reasons, not just because Brits suck at war, or because they had a total disregard for the security of East Asia and Australia.

>>31925788
Eeesh, that is surreal.

>>31926613
I hate you because now I need to read a book written by Hubbard, that sounds fucking awesome.

>>31929063
Jesus fucking christ.

>>31928983
Nobody ever said anything about the military being n=better, obviously the US military is better than pretty much every other country (why wouldnt it be when everyone else wants to destroy them), but the british military is strong enough to get things done, it was then and is now to some extent.

>>31925553

britbongs got bombed too

Not everywhere mind, but there was some shit

Britain DID NOT win the war in Europe, we defended our nation for as long as we could.
>hurr durr RAF weeks from breaking
>hurr durr if operation sealion happened britian would be lost
but none of them things did happen because germany turned away from us thinking they couldnt win, so we won but came out bloodied and almost beaten

>>31925433
>this math

>even calculating deaths per day as if it is an accurate measurement

>>31925439
Who are you quoting? This doesn't sound like an original idea coming from you, personally. It sounds like something you read in a book and keep repeating because you think it sounds "cool".

>>31925386
look up the race to the sea
things were not so bad at first

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>>31925663
>americans suffered like everyone else
>ww2

>>31925386
Because its the last war fought for european reasons with european values. Those values are unfamiliar to the people of today.

>>31929858
iawtp but he's not wrong

WWI is "creepy" and otherwise quite brutal because it was antiquated tactics being used with modern weaponry, and the weaponry was more effective than the tactics

it's why trench warfare stopped being a thing in favor of hardened bunkers and tank/air warfare and much more mobile infantry tactics by the time WWII rolled around

>>31929311
in literally what way is that surreal? it's a good photo of a horrid situation but nothing about it is "surreal"

>>31929789
>the US military is better than pretty much every other country (why wouldnt it be when everyone else wants to destroy them),
both of those things are wrong, US personnel are notably inefficient and poorly trained compared to other western forces, and no one wants to "destroy the US" in conventional warfare on its soil because there's an ocean in the way

the US is just larger and has more room to breathe since it didn't spend its history getting attacked every five minutes. what few wars the US has gotten into on its soil, it's done fairly poorly in, and was only saved by invaders either having a whole ocean to cross first or the attacking country falling apart internally before it could become a superpower

reminder that habitants burned down your white house and the alamo did fall

the US military is only "better" than others by grace of sheer size and spending. every other nation on earth gets ten times as much done with a hundredth the budget.

>>31929876
>what is the Pacific Theater

>>31929876
Dust bowl and Great Depression.

>>31929876

Everyone forgets what we burgers did in the pacific theatre.

Except for the Japanese. And Chinese. And Phillipinos. And sometimes British.

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>>31929876
The yanks still suffered in the Pacific and somewhat in Europe. Perhaps not as much as other countries but they still had millions of dead and wounded.

>>31929063

>can't get any more metal than this

>>31929076

The British had no choice, they were preoccupied with the Germans in Europe and were in no position to assist.

Percival knew this before heading to Singapore. I doubt anyone told him. It's not like there was anything new to tell him anyway.

>tfw all i've ever wanted is to die as a nameless solider in a war
>there won't be any opportunity for that anymore

;_;

>>31930065
I'm not american, i forgot to consider training, i have a cousin in the Royal MArines who was on tour in afghanistan with some american infantry, he told me how they just fucked around pretty much all the time compared to his unit.
I can also see how its probably just their equptment what makes them look good

>>31925386
Some very successful authors and filmmakers served in ww1 (and spanish civil war and ww2), so much of what is perceived as creepy today stems from their experience and work. Looking at pictures of what they experienced during the wars reminds you of their work and the work of people influenced by the authors who survived those wars. It's the eternal meme loop

>US is isolationist
>"what the fuck America, come help in our completely unrelated war!"
>help win war, or at least participate because what the fuck are we even supposed to do in this shitfest of tiny countries
>"what the fuck America, get the fuck out of my hemisphere you imperialist shitcunts
>US is isolationist
>"what the fuck America, come help in our completely unrelated war!"

And then they get mad when we ask them to come help in OUR completely unrelated war.

>>31930349
>completely unrelated
i dunno a world war involving all the countries you have close economic ties to might be something you'll want to pick a side in at some point lest the winners get salty at you for not helping them

but a little brush war in the gulf when there's a bunch of other friendly nations selling oil and you just have personal beef with someone who broke off of CIA payroll? maybe you should just git gud and solve your own puppet problems

>>31928997
After Ottomans, Brits still had most casualties at Gallipoli.

>>31925521
>Same shit we saw in the US Civil War, except the North was using Napoleonic shoot and charge bullshit early war while the South had perfected shoot and scoot skirmishing.
What the hell are you smoking? Both sides were educated together and fought together many times before the war started. They used the same tactics, but the south had better leadership in the east for the first half of the war.

>>31925553
Fuck off

>>31926613
Hubbard was actually a really good golden age scifi author

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WWI saw the first tentative steps taken down the path of truly modernized, mechanized warfare. It's when mankind realized that they're capable of killing one another with far more efficiency than had been practiced ever before in history.

>>31925443
The flies entered the trenches at night and lined them completely with a density which was like moving cloth. We killed millions by slapping our spades along the trench walls but the next night it would be just as bad. We were all lousy and we couldn't stop shitting because we had caught dysentery. We wept, not because we were frightened but because we were so dirty."
>Excerpt from Akenfield by Ronald Blythe

>>31925433
I don't know why everyone is complaining; it's a known fact that past battles did not stop until they reached the exact number of casualties as the previous day. That's why modern warfare is so unpredictable you never know how many will turn up dead by days end.

>>31926249
>but they ignored their reports of machine guns being excellent and cavalry being almost useless
I mean, picture yourself as a high-ranking cavalry officer, you worked hard to get there, it's your career. And then you hear that the some war off in the periphery of the important world was showing your career was now useless. Of course you're going to fight to hold on to whatever prestige you can, those Russians and Japs just did it wrong, clearly.

>>31925994
>that was almost completely without honour
No, that's the next one, the Great War is filled with stories of chivalry and horror in equal measure.

>>31925459
you do realize that the battle of Verdun lasted over 9 months right?

>>31926366
the point he is making is that the AEF was woefully ill prepared for war, not to mention trench warfare at that. one telling statistic is the casualty rates from gas. over the whole war only 3% of casualties for the entire British army and dominion troops could be attributed to gas. the AEF took 27% total casualties from gas and that is just from mid 1917 to the end of the war. small unit tactics in american units were found to be lacking, but this is to be expected when compared to the British and french armies who had spent the last 3 years learning and mastering their craft with equipment they are familiar with. while the AEF on the other hand had only revived their specialized weapons for the most part when the were already in france.

I have a another question which is sorta an offshoot.

How would modern military fight differently in WW1?

Like not with modern weapons or knowledge of the future but with only modern tactics.

You pick the side it doesn't matter I don't think. But say a battalion on any side in the trenches were instantly swapped out with a given modern military counterpart and the modern battalion had to accomplish what the old was trying to do with the old battalions gear.

Would it make a difference? Would they fight differently?

>>31934465
Yes and no. High command would propably still opt for using muskets or bows because "muh honor"

>>31934465
I'm thinking any modern GI put into that situation would beg, borrow, or steal as many automatic weapons as humanly possible, in order to obey the cardinal rule of "more dakka."

Remington Model 8s, Madsen Guns, Chauchats, you name it.

I expect every single soldier who could would be carrying something magazine fed and repeating.

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>>31931765
>WWI saw the first tentative steps taken down the path of truly modernized, mechanized warfare
*Russo-Japanese war

>>31932785
Even after a couple of years of first hand experience, many officers refused to believe to realities of what war was.
Look at Haig planning to use massive cavalry charges after "breaking through" as late as 1916. The cavalry were mostly kept in reserve because there was no great break through. a couple of small ones, but no war-winning massed cavalry charge that he imagined.

WW1 was a great wake up call for all the leadership involved. It did a good thing for flushing out the stagnant old ruling class in many places, and the officers in the mindset of the napoleonic wars.

>>31935790
>Russo-Japanese war
A ass-kicking that won't be forgotten.

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>>31925433
>4 years is 3002 days

>>31925544
Holy shit, go to school, you fucking retard.

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>>31925553
>this is what vatniks actually believe

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>>31936019
Whoa calm down a little. Do you even now anything about ww1 other than playing sone BF1 or Verdun? Like have you even read a single book about it?

>>31925386
I would put it down to the imagery. It was photographed, a still image makes a greater impact psychology than a moving one. Also black and white, early industrial theme only adds to the effect

>>31926255

yes, I quite like it.

>>31925472
This. You faggots glorify literally every single war except WWI for literally no reason.

>>31926579
What is that in the way? The big circle things.

Gas Mask?

>>31930349
>>US is isolationist
I want this meme to die.

>>31934465
>How would modern military fight differently in WW1?
They would fight in pretty much the same way the major combatants fought from 1917 onwards. That is in a way largely indistinguishable from modern small unit tactics. But with the obvious constraints of limited equipment such as far fewer automatic weapons or artillery.

>>31935790
Haig did not plan massive cavalry "charges". He planned utilize cavalry, or rather mounted infantry, if a breakthrough happened. You know, exploit a breakthrough. Restore mobility. Advance into the enemy rear (lel). All of you memers memeing about meme trenches ought to be applauding that.

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>>31936293
yeah gas mask. If the enemy (or your own side) uses gas, you gotta slip the mask on, or you die.

Nothing feels quite as WW1 as stalking through the trenches, barely able to see 3ft in front of you, the sound of your own breathing amplified in the gas mask, hoping to be that split second faster than your opponent, should you come across one.

Damn good game - infantry only, mostly bolt action rilfes or pistols and grenades, with the odd clunky machine gun that needs to be set up while lying down to fire.

Real emphasis on squad tactics - NCO, rifleman, machine gunnner, assault guy with assault spade and pistol. the NCO can call in mortar strikes or smoke screens, and you all work together (along with 3 other squads) to capture or defend objectives. Its not 100% accurate WW1, but gives you a damn good feel for it, 5 or 6 different maps, 10 or so different squad types of various factions, usually 32 players in a map, but there are also rifle deathmatch modes where its 1 V 1 with a bolt action.

Lots of fun.

Battlefield 1 is pretty cool.

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Lot more of humanity in this one than the next

>>31936428

To be fair, we've been losing humanity progressively in every war since WW1. Recently, humans aren't even behind some of the kills. Booby traps and drones. Fuck yeah humans. Whatever. Killing should have consequences, especially internationally sanctioned belligerence.

>>31925465
He never said everyday. Ofc the rate varied and SOME days you had 60k+ deaths

>>31925386
Because millions were dying in some really fucked up ways for pretty much nothing but a bunch of mustache waxing fatfucks big dicking each other over treaties.

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>>31925432
But they did.

>>31926185
There are fishing grounds & oilfiels off of the Falkands & its possession determines the owners share of the Antarctic. It might be a cold bunch of rocks but it is worth killing over.

>>31925998

>lost in Vietnam

They (was born in the 90s, not even gonna act like I was part of it) essentially wiped out an entire generation of people. I'd say that's a victory. It was also a war on ideology, a way to deter the spread of Communism.

Given how the world is now, I think we did pretty okay.

There have been a few blunders - especially in the recent years - but the US has a good record as far as I'm aware.

>>31925459
but no humans died???

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>>31936434
Risking no lives in war really takes away the horrors of war.

Without those horrors, what's the consequence of having one for those with the long-distance no-feel killing power?

It isn't really war any more -- it's a one-sided slaughter without any incentive to stop. When in reality, the incentive should be simple: don't kill folks. It's like "A Taste of Armageddon", but even worse.

But the world is too complex...

>>31936724
>I'd say that's a victory
The aim of the war was to support the south vietnamese hold off a invasion from the communist north. War support failed when US took far too many casualties, and they had to pull out.
As soon as the US pulled out, the communists took over the entire country, and are still in control.

Thats not a victory. the US failed their objectives and took massive casualties in the process.
One could also argue that the US destroyed their own generation of soldiers - highest suicide and unemployment rate out there.

The biggest failure of the US is invading Iraq and killing saddam. yes he was a bad man, but destabilizing the middle east lead to things like ISIL being created.

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>>31929212
Take about 20% off there pal

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>>31936759
Well 55k French 60k Deutsches and shittone of animals

>>31932825
But WW2 was a relatively 'honest' war. There was an evil empire led by an insane dictator trying to conquer the world and an alliance resisting him. I know I know I'm sugarcoating ridiculously, but WW1 happened because border tensions and alliances and hundreds of other small issues eventually came to a boiling point, leading to a four-year war where massive armies were slaughtered for relatively little gain.

>>31936318
Basically dragoons in their original meaning. Equinized infantry.

>>31930162
Percival was a immensely dumb too
he prevented the royal engineers from setting up defense because he doesnt want to "reduce morale",he didn't properly spread out his forces to capture likely beach head and underestimated the japs severely even though they capped malaya

>>31925553
Amerifag here.

WW2 Germany was a meat grinder that the west just kept shoving Russians into until it gummed up. Then the west moved in and took it apart after the hard part was done. Then it told Russia to go fuck itself and turned around to pat itself on the back. Ya'll had every right to nuke us in the cold war. You really should have...

>>31930021
Shit, there were cases where actual combat statistics were ignored by commanders because "That's not how things are done." Like, nigga what? You cocksuckers are really gonna try to do classic combat when fucking chlorine gas is a thing? You wanna ignore the actual use of machine guns because it doesn't jive with your worldview?

It's 1916, grandpa, get with the times.

>>31937105
>relatively little gain
Beats Germany.
Advanced the technologies of aircraft, armoured vehicles, wireless communication, x rays, medicine, blood transfusion, early plastic surgery, submarines, small arms, politics, society etc etc etc

>>31926498
capandball guy lol

>>31936373
>Real emphasis on squad tactics
Unless you get the coveted trench gun job, anyway, at which point your squadmates become little more than cheerleaders as you clear out entire objective zones on your own.

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>>31925386
This war brought the ideals of the past into conflict with the realities of the modern world.

Of the noble soldier who fights to the bitter end.
Of the commander who leads the heroic charge.
Of the cavalry charging out over the open plains to strike the enemy with fear.

This war really was the one to end all wars.
It shattered the innocence of mankind.

>>31936724
>It was also a war on ideology, a way to deter the spread of Communism.
Keep telling yourself that. For the Vietnamese it was the latest in a line of foreign invaders who were oppressing their people. The dictator the US installed on the non-communist side, when it forced the country to be split in two at the bargaining table, had a hard-on for oppressing the majority of the population on religious grounds.

So don't be too proud of the US wiping out a whole generation of people, in what was the closest thing to a repeat of the American Revolution that the world has seen.

>>31925386
I would say it's where old first meets new. Doesn't hurt that most deaths were by arty though. I imagine there's still a lot of bones from blown apart bodies out in those battlefields. Imagine the smell and just knowing that no man's land would be completely paved with bodies if not for the artillery turning them to paste regularly.

>>31926193
that guy with the hat gets me every time and any of those guy reactions really

>>31938284
You know very well I meant territorial gain.

>>31938364
your squad mates still need to support you to get to the trench in the first place. and its not great on defense at mid to long range.

>>31925550
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>>31925550
KEK!!!!!!!!!

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>>31938380
This seems reasonable.

I think the industrial nature of the war truly spelled the end for the existing, overtly romantic view of war. What little noble character war had before WW1 was eliminated by the efficiency of machineguns, artillery etc., there was no longer so much scope for élan and heroics. Soldiers became an even smaller part of the war machine.

>>31940000

>soldiers became an even smaller part of the war machine

I dunno about that...

>spelled the end of a romantic view of war

Yes it did.

Marshall Foch eventually came to accept this fact when he decided to stop using pointless charging tactics in the face of machine guns and mortars.

Even the brits developed the tank---albeit out of desperation---to resolve the Somme issue.

That entire war was nuts. I know a great deal about other wars since then, but I study WW1 closely since it marked the transition from heroic battles fought by ranks of brave men to trenches dug by brace men to avoid counterfire and snipers

>>31940000

....Also nice quads

>looks at a picture of my great grandfather who fought at (and got gassed at) Marne

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>>31925730

>the civil war was the first modern war meme

Absolute nonsense. The only arguments I keep hearing are:

>muh gatling guns are machineguns
>muh repeaters
>muh ironclads

All of which were evolutionary dead ends or weren't the first time they were used. It didn't revolutionize warfare in any way remotely comparable to WWI which introduced:

>adoption of semi-automatic rifles on a large scale
>introduction of automatic personnel weapons
>infiltration tactics
>the advent of armored and aerial warfare on a large scale and their integration and coordination within military tactics
>actual total war on a scale unprecedented
>chemical warfare
>re-introduction of personal armour

And a lot more. All of which would define and shape warfare to this very day.

The notion that the ACW was the first modern war anymore than any of the other major 19th century wars, let alone in comparison to WWI, is ludicrous. That should be obvious enough from the fact that by 1914, the US army itself had long gotten rid of the purported 'modern' elements of the ACW and adopted those innovations which would ultimately play a part in revolutionizing warfare during WWI.

>>31940617

*major wars in the second half of the 19th century I mean, before someone starts sperging that I implied that the Napoleonic Wars were the direct cause of Shock and Awe.

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>>31940000
>>31940227
Something important to realize that I think gets at the heart and horror of it all - WWI directly inspired the Expressionist movement in art. Those behind it said as much, that it was about the dehumanizing nature of mechanized warfare and death on a scale that destroyed the collective psyche of the world, especially in Europe, ESPECIALLY in Germany, where much of it sprung from.

That, alongside the many famous poems and works of literature, really drives home that exact idea - the death of the romantic solder. Or at least the start of it, before we've gotten to where we are now.

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>>31940617

>tfw young men told to advance over that mound of dead soldiers in order to advance 10 feet

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>>31940665

It was easy to become pessimistic during and after the Great War due to the introduction of new technologies

>>31940672
>flashes of valiant hearts with your character having to take cover behind your dead comrades

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>>31940672

>thousands of barely adult men fighting in bombed-out trenches with bayonets, improvised clubs, spades surrounded by a muddy landscape literally filled with dead human remains sticking out.
>literally millions of human souls suffering the downfall of an era
>all pointless

>>31937777
Kill yourself you apologetic commie fuck. It's like you completely ignore the fact that the USSR and Germany had a pact to split up the eastern European countries and enslave and genocide the populations there for both countries' mutual benefit. Russia would have been content letting Germany dominate western Europe until Hitler went full retard and started Operation Barbarossa.

>>31940751
>>31940816

>"nightmares are real"

... wrote one unknown French soldier. His bloody note was seen clenched by his hand...which was still attached to his arm. The rest of his body was no where to be seen.

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>>31940940

>>31926509
Did the french masks even work?

>>31941213

I don't think any of them really worked

>>31925386
This was a the first war where the gods of military industrial complex. Hungry gods that laughed and fed as the war spread across the world.