Do you store your magazines loaded or unloaded, /k/?

>>31915194

NEVER store mags loaded. You will weaken the springs over time and the mags won't feed right and will become worthless.

I store all my mags loaded 100% of the time.

>>31915300
hello fuddlore

>>31915300
100% loaded 100% of the time, ignore this fudd faggot's advice

>>31915194
Polymer mags, given enough time, dont do well loaded 24/7.

That said, you've gotta have owned them for at least 2 or 3 years, loaded around the clock for there to be any issues.

In conclusion: loaded mags are fine. I, however, dont keep all of mine loaded because I'm too lazy to load all of em.

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>>31915194
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOeorrog8-Y

>>31915300
that's not how springs work. >>31915322 is also wrong however, because some mags are built with weak shit feed lips and those CAN wear out. but springs don't just die like that.

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>>31915341
*note:

When I say polymer mags I mean polymer mags with polymer feed lips.

>>31915353
>buying mags with unreinforced feed lips
/akg/ would be so disappointed in you.

>>31915375
he's shoots a barbie rifle, not an ak

>>31915351
>trusting your life to mags with weak shit feed lips

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>>31915375
>Mfw pmags are some of the most tested, reliable magazines on the market, that only have one weakness that still takes a lot of abuse

>>31915381
>Mfw "muh ak superiority"
>Mfw every year the kalashnikov family gets more and more like an AR pattern rifle.
>Mfw my rifle is just as practically reliable as an AK, but not front heavy, and not an ergonomic abortion

Unloaded, because I buy guns, magazines, and ammo with zero intention to shoot.

Only idiots that shoot guns load their magazines

>>31915420
What happens if you drop your pmags on the feed lips?

>>31915497
The only time I've heard of someone breaking pmag feed lips via dropping was an intentional test.

Loaded magazine, had to drop it feed lips down 5 or 6 times on the concrete.

>>31915497
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQxYXTYohPI

I keep mine fully loaded - 1. I know the "springs wearing out" thing is bullshit but I'm too much of a pussy faggot to risk it, so - 1 means it should be a'ight.

>>31915194
I store mine loaded, but I also empty them at the range every two weeks

>>31915395
>trusting your life to every single one of your mags

you got range mags and defensive mags, and they don't gotta be the same quality.

>>31915752
Niet, i have mags that i trust will 100% function as they're supposed to whether I'm at the range or in a home defense situation or otherwise

>>31915687
if you have pmags you can store them with the little cap thing over the feed lips, should keep them from deforming over time

springs might not wear out but pressure on the polymer feed lips might.

>>31916137
>not just buying steel mags
Oh, honey...

>>31915194
Both, it just depends how lazy I feel after range trips.
>>31915300
That only happens if you're constantly reapplying pressure to the springs, if they're loaded and still its fine.

>>31915420
>ergonomic abortion
Anon, you and I know that is so subjective.

>>31915353

>POS AR

>POS el cheapo mags

nice.

>>31915194
Do ypu put your car on jacks when you aren't driving it?

>>31915194
I don't care if I'm bumping this thread back up from page 8, fuck you.

At this point, stupidass posts like yours have to be b8. Fuck.

>>31916538
Would you call me autistic if I said yes?

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>>31915194

all your mags should be loaded 100% of the time

>>31915381
>steel or aluminum barbie mags don't exist

What use is an unloaded mag dude... Of course I keep them loaded.

loaded all the time because loading mags in life or death situations is always death in the end.

>>31915300
So do you hoist your car up every night to "give the springs a rest"?

>>31917732
How does that D60 work? I have one coming in the mail as part of that PSA mag deal and I'm hoping I didn't get meme'd.

>>31917877
I don't, because I don't want to tire out my hoist and chains.

>>31915497
... The same thing that happens if you drop a tapco mag on its feed lips?
I have both magpul mags for the ar and plastic mags for the ak. You're better off just getting metal mags with good followers.

>>31915351 is correct.

>>31915353
>implying this

maybe 1 out of 10000

I have too many mags to keep all of them loaded. I keep 4 AR mags, 4 Glock 21 mags, and two shield mags loaded at all times. If I need to fight off more than that can kill without a pause I was never ment to survive anyways.

>>31915341
I had a couple loaded for 3 years. Took them to the range to rotate my ammo. They would not feed. Even if I took a few rounds out. These were USGI mags.

>>31917877
I love this counterexample

>>31917732
Second column from the right, bottom mag.

Explain yourself.

>>31917924
>my surplus magazines without antitilt followers jammed
Let me guess, you bought them, loaded them and never even tested the magazines in the first place; and when they didnt load properly after you put the magazine in on a closed bolt and slowly worked the action it didnt seat properly.

I have had magazines loaded for 5 years with an inch of dust on them that fire fine. But they were kept in zero humidity and a constant temperature.

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>>31915300

>>31917732
I see an unloaded mag what are you doing anon?

>>31917974
>>31918129
He's been posting that same pic for months. By now that mag has either been filled or they're all empty.

Unloaded.

I got kids.

The ammo is stored away from the magazines

Magazines stored away from the gun

Gun stored away from the kids.

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>>31915300
Fag

>>31915194
Unloaded, generally. Don't want the springs to wear out. I still can't believe that some people think that storing mags loaded will actually IMPROVE the springs...

>>31918135
Fag, can't trust the kids he's "raised"

>>31917889

My D60 has been 100% reliable so far, even locks the bolt back every time. I was actually surprised. I might even pick up another one, just for shits n giggles.

>>31918426
Cool, thanks. I can't really justify buying another one of PSA's mag bundles as I'm already swimming in mags, but maybe one day I'll pick up another for my AR. Shame it's like $130 on its own, since the bundle was ~$280 for 10 30rd pmags, 10 30 rd ets glock mags, and a D60.

Do you guys dry fire and disassemble all of your guns to ensure every spring in the gun is not under tension during storage too?
Do you put your car up on blocks so the springs do not wear out?

I bet there are over a hundred different springs that spend 99% of their time under tension in different applications in your house and you haven't given them a single thought because they still work.

>>31918414
They're his wife's kids, he didn't raise them.

>>31918507
I do actually jack my car up every time I get home. I really hate wore out springs.

>>31915194

All loaded, all the time. What good are they unloaded?

>>31915429
>be me
>only use and keep unloaded mags
>go to range
>insert mag into gun and use magic to summon bullet into mag
>this is how you true high capacity

>>31915353
>Pmag
>5.54x45
>>31915375
>/akg/
Fucking idiot.

>>31915341
>In conclusion: loaded mags are fine. I, however, dont keep all of mine loaded because I'm too lazy to load all of em.
This. I am too lazy and I would have to stuff them into my cans or unload them all to transport them legally.

>>31918135
underated post, accidents happen kid may be well versed in gun safety friend may not , or he may have very young children.

>>31915300
NEVER store CARS loaded. You will weaken the SUSPENSION over time and the CAR won't RIDE right and will become worthless.

>>31915194
Mechanical engineering grad student here- Store them loaded if you want. It will be fine. Cylces kill springs (well at least good springs). The problem that can come in, is if the springs are too short for the displacement, which means when you fully load the mag you are overfilling it. This means that you may pass the yield stress- and cause a permanent strain. This WILL weaken springs over time.

Of course, any mag not designed by incompetent fools will be fine. Lastly, polymer magazines MAY be damaged if they are stored loaded- and undergo many temperature cycles. The polymers used (nylons, HDPE, etc) may become brittle with a lot of temp cycles. So assuming you store your mags inside, it's not an issue. But if you decide to bury a few mags in a piece of PVC, use aluminum.

>>31918152
I don't even know what that means...

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>>31920034
engineering student here again;

that is a stress/strain curve. Stress, you can think of as the force applied by area. So if you apply a certain force to a material, in this instance, aspring steel... it will deform. That deformation, is the strain.

A stress strain curve, shows what happens at different forces. Sigma PL is the stress at the proportional limit- which is essentially the same as sigma Y, or yield stress. A this point, the region on the curve with the near perfect slope, the elastic region, changes into the yielding, and then strain hardening regions.

At these points, the material will deform permanently, and when the force is released sigma PL will shift to the right, meaning the OAL of the spring will change permanently.

This is why you dont want to overcompress a spring.

>pic related from my notes, will help explain.

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>>31920273
and here is more on the curve diagram.

>>31915341
The only mags I keep loaded are my steel AK mags

>>31915194
Storing mags loaded is fine.
Just stay away from bore snakes when cleaning the gun, the cloth will remove the rifling from the steel barrel.

>>31920273
>>31920280
bretty nice looking notes.

>>31915194
I keep all my mags loaded, cause I'm not a faggot like >>31915300

>>31915194
I've been a certified armorer for over 13 years and take it from me, it's a bad idea to keep mags fully loaded all the time. It weakens the springs and damages the feed lips.

Don't listen to these dipshits on this thread telling you it's okay. It's not. They have no idea what they are talking about.

>>31920664
>Im a glorified gunsmith
>I know more about material science than engineers
kill yourself, you blue collar peasant.

>>31920664
Yeah well my dad is the president of Physics and Materials and he says you're wrong.

>>31920273
>>31920280
Jesus Christ, I am never becoming an engineer. Good on you for becoming a genius and all, but I could never give enough of a fuck about that to actually do it. Still, nice of you to try and explain it to me... and inadvertently make me feel like a mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging retard in the process. Your parents must be proud as fuck, no joke.

>>31919193
>>31919193
Not storing all 2tons of bullets you own in the back of your mom's Toyota that you borrow.

>>31920719
Laymen terms all you really need to know, is that as long as you arent overcompressing a spring, storing it compressed will not damage it.

>>31920719
Don't worry, most engineers aren't geniuses. They're actually just autistic mouth-breathers themselves.

>>31920752
This. I got Cs and Ds in high school. ANYONE can succeed in engineering if they work hard enough.

>>31920761
guess this explains why all our bridges are falling apart

>>31920766
No, that's because Civil Engineers design bridges. They are incompetent (protip, if your career aspirations include going through 4 years of college, only to work for PennDot; there is something wrong with you). If you had MEs designing them, we'd be good.

Also, unrelated but obligatory; fuck industrial engineers.

>>31920788
hey, Industrial engineering is more apty named process engineering, and it has value too.

>tfw you are a hybrid mechatronic engineer/ technician that got too hurt and became an IE/ PM

>>31918152
This would be a lot more useful to the layman if the regimes were labeled.

>>31921104
see
>>31920280

Under the right conditions creep could cause the spring to set. Your loaded mags would have to be somewhere hella hot for a long time, but hey, I guess those are the conditions under which you shouldn't store your mags loaded.

>>31915194
I store them as such:
1/2 loaded, rifle mags loaded down by 2 and pistol magazines loaded down by 1 (except those for CC)

and 1/2 unloaded completely

I rotate these two halves of my set every six months.

I keep half of them loaded because if I need them, I'll be delighted to find that past me had the forethought to make sure they were ready for just such an occasion.

I keep half of them unloaded because "setting" occurs even in spring steel and I don't want it happening to all of my magazines at once.

I keep them rotating between the two states because I don't like the idea of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS6L5uSyAmo

>>31917732
Does that mean you can never fire the last round

>>31921406
You fucking retard, you're causing MORE wear to your mag springs by doing that. They wear out from compression/expansion CYCLES. Leaving them loaded for years would be better than running the spring up and down twice per year.

Downloading them in fine, but god damn this fucking Fuddlore is ridiculous.

First post worst post

>>31915194
you can leave ak and ar mags fully loaded for years and years and years. Anyone who says otherwise has totally defective mags or is lying

>>31920745
Good to know.
>>31920752
I guess if ANYONE puts enough effort into it, they can learn just about whatever they like. The thing for me is, unless I'm interested in something, I find it difficult to retain the information. Perhaps that makes me an idiot savant? Explains why I've retained so damn much info about firearms and (to a lesser extent) Military history, yet don't really know a whole lot about other things. Lately been getting into geography as well. Oddly enough, I was able to use Civilization games as a tool to help me learn world geography in a fun way! In short, whenever I made a city or captured one, I would look up Google Maps and find the nearest major city in that general location. It really slowed down the gameplay, but I genuinely enjoyed naming cities in locations where they would actually exist in the real world. Even when a map basically did this for me already, I'd check all the same, often putting in a different one that I thought to be better... I may or may not be fucking autistic, holy shit. Gaming OCD...

Still, it helped me learn a lot, and I loved doing it, so fuck yeah. If I ever get back into Civilization (haven't played Civ6 yet; might as well wait for mods), I'll probably do the same thing.

Interestingly enough at work we apparently fucked up a bunch of GI AR mags because we left them loaded, not the spring but the read end of the feed lips developed stress cracks.

These were mags that were most likely at least 20 years old and loaded for 5 years though.

>>31915322
Well he isn't 100% wrong as creep aka thermally activated slip is a thing. It just happens slow enough that it likely won't be a problem.>>31915322

>>31921485
There's a popular claim that leaving polymer AK magazines loaded when they don't have reinforced feed lips will cause them to crack.

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>>31920752
As an autistic electrical engineer myself, can confirm. It's a question of focus, not raw talent. Although I'm not bad...just sayin.

>>31921651
That gif always fucking gets to me. It's probably one of my favourites. I remember once years ago though, I accidentally saved the thumbnail instead of the gif itself, and posted said thumbnail instead, unable to find the gif. It was a pretty bad derp.

>>31918135
Please tell me at least you carry a gun on you that IS loaded.

>>31919186
Or he can lock up loaded mags as well?

>>31915300
Top kek. Even if this werent bait you can always stretch a spring back out anyway. if you somehow manage to fuck even that up you can still buy spring packs on ebay for a couple bucks

>>31923382
He's wrong, but so are you.
>what is strain hardening

Unloaded.
It's illegal for me to store my magazines loaded.