I'm doomed

>>31905828
>if nuclear war happened

You have literally nothing to worry about.

If Hillary gets elected, I need to come up with some kind of budget shelter plan. A filter mask, some iodine, idk. I live in a brick house, maybe put some cookie pans in the attic because fuck it why not. Maybe some mylar sheets to drop over the roof? A bunch of water and food. I don't know, if Hillary gets elected we're going to die.
Please vote.

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>>31905828
This looks like someone's first failed experiment with watercolors.

>>31905828
all these fallout maps are from the 60s, and are no longer relevant. thanks to espionage and the SALT treaties any potential nuclear exchange would be far more limited, as far as the general population is concerned. If you have two weeks of food/water and some mylar sheeting to wrap your house you will be golden. Maybe some potassium iodide, you can get it on amazon.

>>31905938
>4 mt
That seems excessive

>>31905828
I feel that /k/omrade

I live in McLean. We're basically a 4th tier nuclear target all by ourselves.

>>31905828
Fucking lake Havasu, all that radiation...FUCK

>>31905828
Finally, living in the bootheel of NM has a practical advantage

I live in Oregon.

>>31906088
>potassium iodide
good thing I live within 3 miles of a nuke plant and get this shit for free every year.

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>TFW inbetween 2 high level military base first strike nuke targets

>>31906427
Unless they have nukes, you are probably ok

>>31906565
I live near a decommissioned military base and it still shows up as a purple triangle on that nuke map.

I checked. 800kt warhead and im fucked.

If nuclear war happened, turn off your ventilation systems and don't leave the house for 3 days.

That's it.

After that you're golden.

Modern nukes burn very cleanly.

You're worried about a few ounces of fallout over a thousand square miles.

Its not that toxic.

>>31906167
Eugene represent.

>>31905938
tfw they could fuck up our food supply with one nuke and the fallout.

>>31905828
>hiw much protection would it provide from the nuclear fallout? Would the elevation even matter?

As winds hit mountains they get pushed upwards, cool down, and precipitate out their moisture as rain, flushing out fallout in the process..

So the side of the mountain facing towards the nuked out area can end up being where a lot of the fallout is concentrated.

On the other side of the mountain things will be better (better, not in any way guaranteed to be good), just be carious about the streams coming down, in case one has wound its way around a mountain.

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>>31905828

>>31906612
LOL.

>>31905828
I absolutely love the fact I'm in that safe strip in PA and I love it thank you bum fuck nowhere

>>31906627
I hope you have 1+ year of food supplies stored up like me

>>31905938
>>31906108
>>31906627
>>31906734
Good thing no one uses ground burst any more

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>>31905828
>Oregon
>untouched
I guess I'm heading south when shtf

>>31906728
Keep in mind that these maps are based on the generally dominant wind pattern. That is, the climate.

Where the fallout ends up in the end depends on the winds there and then. Ie the weather.

And then there's the question of how well the Russians can aim.

So you'll probably be fine (apart from the whole national collapse thing and ensuing mass famine, etc).

Probably.

>>31906604
The map with the purple triangles is garbage.

If you don't live near a missile base, a SSBN base, or a command node that generates or transmits orders to those, then you are safe unless you're downwind from one.

In which case, plastic sheeting plus duct tape. Stay inside for 2 weeks. You'll be fine.

>>31906167
PDX here.

>>31906167
Salem

>>31905828
The nice part about living dead center between the two largest cities and military bases on the west coast, with a nuclear powerplant nearby just for extra points, is that if shit does go down I can literally go about my day until I go back to the void from which we were spawned.

>>31906627

iirc from one thread that FEMA estimated even if Russia were to try and take out the food supply, the vast majority would remain usable.

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>>31907252
I saw a FEMA california nuclear target map from 1990 or so and in fine text below it said all counties at risk of significant fallout hazards

>>31905928
>I don't know, if Hillary gets elected we're going to die.
We've had worse presidents. Settle down.

I thought our general plan was to meet up in the Upper Penensula of Michigan.

>>31906620
>>31906893
>>31907059
I live in Lebanon

>>31906604
That nuke map is useless.

>>31907264
Fallout hazards are a tricky thing.
You can have something thats 100 times what is currently considered safe, and live for decades before dying of something else.

>>31905938

>WV is fine

The good news is that I won't be killed a nuclear war.

The bad news is I still have to live in WV.

>>31906620

Eugenebro reporting, River Rd chapter

>>31906167
Southern coast, what up

>>31907274
Oregon is better

>>31908595
Not even nuclear holocaust can save you from that fate anon!

>>31907303

I'm about eight miles north, halfway between Lebanon and Scio. Squeeee.

Water is extremely good at blocking radiation.

a Person can easily survive on top of a rod of Uranium for 70 years with just 50 feet of water directly separating and still end up with far less radiation absorption then flying at 33,000 feet.

In all honesty, I fear Nuclear war more if Hillary does not win, who knows how far these elitist banker types will go to stay in power.

I wonder how bad CLE will get it?

If they build that missle defense base in Ravenna N. Ohio will probably become a bigger target.

more like about 10 feet of water, but whatever.

http://space.stackexchange.com/questions/1336/what-thickness-depth-of-water-would-be-required-to-provide-radiation-shielding-i

>>31906768
Wasn't airburst always the more effective means of inflicting the greatest amount of damage anyway? Was there any rationale behind a ground burst strike?

>>31908985
Surface bursts are used to deliver extremely high PSI blast effects to hardened targets.

>>31906768
>Good thing no one uses ground burst any more
> he thinks anti population strikes would not be ground burst specifically to inflict more fallout and civilian casualties

>>31907235
> nuclear powerplant
It is huge usually unaccounted threat. Current storage of spent fuel will lead to radiological catastrophe during unclear war
http://belfercenter.hks.harvard.edu/publication/364/radiological_terrorism.html

>>31909007
Trying to kill people is pointless. Its much more effective to destroy the infrastructure.
Airbursts are the most effective way to do that.

>>31909005
Good point, forgot about that. Suppose with bunker buster nukes, surface burst is still useless against buried targets.

>>31909070
>kill netflix and walmart and murrica is going up in flames of riot in 2 days

>>31909070
>Trying to kill people is pointless
People you killing would strongly disagree with you. People sacrifice their property every day (what is taxes) no big deal but try to kill them - they beg on knees, sad. God bless democracy!

And the difference between air-burst and ground burst blast effects are not significant.

>>31905828
>>31905938
These maps are complete trash famalam

>>31909137
If you destroy the oil refinery, it doesnt matter how many workers survive.

And the difference between surface bursts and air bursts is large.

>>31909129
Surface bursts are useful against buried targets.

Alright, what the shit is the deal with protecting yourself from fallout?

I'm reading that all you have to do is turn off the AC, tape up the seams, and follow the 7-10 rule. Wouldn't gamma radiation still be an issue? Wouldn't you still be in danger from the release of elements like Strontium-90 after you decide to leave? Can someone explain if all dangers of nuclear fallout are accurately addressed by following the 7-10 rule, or what specific dangers you need to account for?

>>31906167
>>31906167
I live in the rouge river valley in a house built by a paranoid b-52 pilot who chose the spot specifically based on these (classified at the time) maps as the spot in the country to recieve the least fallout. I love these threads.

>>31909189
Fallout is a dust. The same things you do to stop eating dust will work for fallout.

After a nuclear exchange, what is considered 'safe' is different from what would be considered 'safe' today. The amount of radiation would be very high compared to today, but it would not be deadly in the short term.

>>31905828
if a nuclear war happens ur screwed anyways

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>>31909158
>it doesnt matter how many workers survive.
It does they still could be drafted and taxed, work as repairmen or farmers. State only exist when it have serfs. And when these serfs can vote their life is very important part of political decisions.

Pic related, fallout effects are to damn large comparing to blast area to pass them when it is time to destroy burgers. And burgers are scared of this.
http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt=455&lat=33.9364864&lng=-118.2472687&airburst=0&hob_ft=0&fallout=1&ff=50&zm=8

>>31909270
>It does they still could be drafted and taxed, work as repairmen or farmers.
And none of that matters without economic infrastructure.
If you target the oil refineries in a nation, it wont matter how many people are "repairmen".

>>31909270
You realize that very little of that fallout plume would kill anyone, right?

It would increase cancer rates, but that's decades down the line.

>>31909189
In order..

>Gamma

If you are close enough to be killed by immediate gamma release you are dead from over-pressure anyway, so don't worry.

>Persistant byproducts

The worst have relatively short half lives. This is why you try to shelter for a few days to a week. After that if there's a fair amount of dust containing radioactive elements then yeah, it's going to increase your long term cancer risk considerably, but there won't be enough concentrated anywhere to cause immediate acute effects.

>What dangers to account for?

Building collapse and fire. Lots and lots of fire. If you mean from fallout, the big dangers are the first 48 hours when the really nasty short lived dust is around. The rule here is don't get it inside you. Don't eat or drink things exposed to fallout and wear a respirator. After two weeks the worst of it will be over, so if you haven't gotten yourself yet you can relax a bit.

>>31909189
http://www.oism.org/nwss/s73p912.htm

>>31909270
The interior of that plume is 100 rads per hour.
If you are inside, that falls to 3 rads per hour.
If you seal up your windows and doors, or are in the interior of a large building, that falls to .04 rads per hour.

In 1 day, the does rate in that center part has fallen to .01 rads per hour, if you were walking out in the open.
To put that in perspective, if you left your fallout shelter after 1 day, and spent an hour outside, it would be equivalent to a CT scan.

Now obviously, you wouldn't want to take a CT scan 24 times in a day, but if you needed to move, you could. But lets say you can't leave, for whatever reason, so you wait another day inside your house or shelter.

Now the radiation you get from going outside for an hour is equivalent to spending 1 day on the Colorado plateau. At this rate, you would need to live outside for about 3 years to have an increased risk of cancer.
And thats only if the does rate remains the same.
But instead, every 7 hours, the does rate falls by a factor of 10. So if you wait three days, You could live in that area for 40 years before receiving the lowest dose that has been linked to an increased risk of cancer.

>>31906704

What?

I got that info from YouTube. A Berkeley University video under "Physics 101" and "Nuclear Energy".

The proffesor is awesome.

>>31906627

Oh noes, we have to rinse off our vegetables!

All ids loss

>>31906648
The Rain shadows are anything but cut and dry in the Appalachians. A little easier to figure out in the ridge and valley system than the Appalachian plateau, but they are not like the Sierras or Rockies, it is going to rain (or snow) everywhere all of the time

>>31908595
But the whole state is innawoods! The term innawoods is actually in your state constitution in reference to open carrying (pee constitutional carry ammendment)

>>31906167
>>31906620
>>31906845
>>31906893
>>31907303
>>31908646
>>31908803
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>>31909191

>TFW realizing every thread will be an Oregon thread after nukes

I'm ok with this.

>>31909032

but how many plants are likely to take a near miss or direct hit?

I don't see why any plant not actually damaged by blast damage wouldn't be able to (and wouldn't be forced to) keep operating post nuclear exchange regardless of fallout

I mean nuclear plants have the most sensitive radiation detection and best decontamination measures so if anwhere can keep uncontaminated it would be the inside of a nuke plant

as a real world example the other reactors of Chernobyl NPP kept operating without any problems for like 10 years after reactor 4 asploded

>>31909189
Well over 99% of all gamma that will be produced, ever, is "prompt" radiation, that is, it is created in the first milliseconds of the blast.

Fallout is almost entirely alpha radiation, which is blocked by your skin.

Fallout kills you by getting inside your body--by being breathed in or swallowed, mostly. So, get out the duct tape and plastic, stay inside for 2 weeks, wash off when you can, etc.

>>31905828
MA resident here, don't give me that shit.
Just dig a deep fucking hole, get some rad proof ventilation, put some water down there, put some pipes with a tarp over it and put three feet of dirt on top of said pipes and tarp. Bam, chill out inna dirt for two weeks or so.

>>31907271
We really haven't but I think Trump will win anyway and we'll be saved. I really hope Trump wins.

>>31909007
No one used countervalue strikes.

>>31910750
*uses

>>31905828
u have to get underground innawoods before that shit blows up

i suggest u get some woods in the appalachian mtns and dig a tunnel right quick. get a geiger counter too. iirc nuclear winter is bullshit and u can start venturing out after a few weeks or something. definitely stock up your underground cave innawoods with food water and guns and ammo. maybe get some girls too so u can save the species

>>31909137
>And the difference between air-burst and ground burst blast effects are not significant.

You are unbelievably wrong.

>>31905828
also make sure u play some new vegas or fallout 3 to practice for the inevitable. learn to pick up every single thing u find in the wasteland u never know when it will come handy

>>31909458
Thanks for the /k/nowledge, oppen.

>>31910730
Trump seems worse in all honesty. He's not qualified and has no real policy to speak of. Plus he is the equivalent of a drooling retard when it comes to foreign policy. They both suck, but trump sucks more. Feel free to insult me instead of making valid counter arguments. I have come to expect that at this point.

>>31907271
Yeah like Buchanan who allowed the civil war to happen.