T-14 new T-34?

>>31900138
>WILL NEVER BE PRODUCED IN MEANINGFUL NUMBERS

>>31900150
So beyond Russia's shit economy what do we think

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>>31900138
A lot of russian gear """""enter service""""", gets paraded around and displayed on some show and is then promptly forgotten until 10-20 years after the introduction when it finally gets fielded in some manner.
The R-77 missile allegedly entered service back in '94 but it has only ever been spotted on rare occasions in Syria this year.
Same with the alleged 400km 40N6 missile which is supposed to have been in service over a year but hasn't even been photographed unlike how the R-77 was back in the 90s.
It is more than likely that the T-14 will suffer a similar fate, that it will be paraded around but kept in a warehouse for a decade until funds arrive or some critical flaws gets fixed.
Much of what you see is just propaganda for internal consumption, toys to parade and give kreml something to show that they are totes a super power and on par with the west, toys to calm the dumb masses.

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>>31900207
>but hasn't even been photographed
It's called secrecy. Unlike US who like to make all kind of photos, including photos of vaporware, Russians like to keep things under cover.

>>31900207
The R-77 was available for purchase since '94 but the russian air force never bought any reasonable amount, because they had and still have huge stockpiles of various R-27 variants. The R-77 has been exported a lot though.

>>31900207
>Same with the alleged 400km 40N6 missile which is supposed to have been in service over a year but hasn't even been photographed
How are you supposed to photograph it, its in a container that looks exactly like any S-300/S-400 container?

>>31901212
>It's called secrecy.

like how russian soldiers were posting to facebook and shit images that were geotagged inside of ukraine while saying they totally weren't there?

>>31900188
we'll know when it comes up against equivalent era armor.

meaning we'll never know, just like every other tank out there.

Lot's of Cold War-era hardware is getting older and are probably more expensive to maintain and upgrade than just replace them.

>>31901640
PROOFS? PROOFS? PROOFS? PROOFS? PROOFS? PROOFS? PROOFS? PROOFS?
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PROOFS? PROOFS? PROOFS? PROOFS? PROOFS? PROOFS? PROOFS? PROOFS?
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>>31901640
Yes, kinda that. US lost some AH-64 because of mortar fire caused by some shit like that in Afghanistan.
But it does not related to official government secrecy. Official US PR loves to post al kind of images and videos about it's vehicles. Even if they do not exist. Russians try hide everything. Only in last few years they change their policy because it is a part of informational war.

>>31901691
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/08/opposite-of-opsec-russian-soldier-posts-selfies-from-inside-ukraine/
http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-soldier-ukraine-2014-7
http://www.npr.org/2015/06/21/416208144/snapshot-sleuthing-confirms-russian-military-presence-in-ukraine
http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com


>>31901825
Clearly it has nothing to do with the notorious lack of openness of Russian governments. You'd be better off bringing up something like the F-117 instead of a well known joint project with Germoney.

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>>31901212
>Russians like to keep things under cover
>russians
>keep things under cover
kek

Literary everything else in the S-400 system has been paraded around and photographed in great detail with kreml bragging and vatniks masturbating furiously over every minute detail that has been made available online.
Somehow this """secret""" missile that kreml and shillbots love to flaunt has evaded all cameras, despite the missile being public knowledge for ages. ¨
If russia wanted to keep the 40N6 secret they wouldn't have told the world about it to begin with.

>>31901591
>How are you supposed to photograph it, its in a container that looks exactly like any S-300/S-400 container?
First of all, it's not given that it would use the same container as the 48N6 missile The only drawing made available shows it to be too large to fit in a standard container and the 40N6 being the largest in the family is to be expected given the purported long range, It ought to be about the same size as a SM-6.
Second, if it existed it would be photographed in the same way as every single other missile available in the S-400 family, like pic related.
There is absolutely no reason why russia should be hiding the 40N6 when they already have announced its existence to the world, a secret is only a secret as long as you don't tell anyone.
Besides, the US already have a missile with even greater capability in the SM-6, it's not like they need to steal any info from a photo.

>>31901856
Insufficient proofs.

>>31900138
In WW3, this thing will be the 21st century T-34 and it will lead Russia all the way to Washington and Tel-Aviv.

>>31901957
>Literary everything else in the S-400 system
No, not really. Only stuff that is supposed to be export and stuff that you cant hide, like fuckhuge radars.

>>31902030
>all the way to Washington
T-14 amphibious and/or airborne confirmed.
It is truly the Gavin of russia.

>>31902030
>it will lead Russia all the way to Washington and Tel-Aviv.

I don't think the Chinese Army will allow the Russian Army to flee that far.

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>>31902052
>stuff that you cant hide
The missiles could be hidden yet those where displayed.
Besides, russia has photographed the interior and controls of the S-400 vehicles and there is nothing saying the 40N6 is not up for sale if it exists. As far as I know, China would get everything available in the 6 battalions they are about to buy.

Check http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-S-400-Triumf.html for all your S-400 smut needs.
Lot's of gratuitous details that could have been hidden yet aren't.
The fact is, if you mean to export it, you might as well show it to the world because the system would be passing through too many hands to keep hidden.

>>31902159
>The missiles could be hidden yet those where displayed.
For many years, m8, those missiles arent new. 40N6 just entered production.
>Besides, russia has photographed the interior and controls
Which means nothing.

>>31902184
>40N6 just entered production
It has been reported as being in service for well over a year mate.
>Which means nothing
It's far juicer than the exterior of a missile.

>>31901957
>Literary everything else in the S-400 system has been paraded around and photographed in great detail
BEFORE entering service and proposed for sale?

>>31902356
>It has been reported as being in service for well over a year mate.
All others were around for far longer.
>It's far juicer than the exterior of a missile.
Its literally nothing, m8. Just a couple of screens and switches.

>>31902374
>BEFORE entering service and proposed for sale?
Probably not but the 40N6 is reported in service and china is aiming to buy it.

>>31902378
>Its literally nothing, m8. Just a couple of screens and switches.
The same can be said about the missile, it's just a tube with fins on it.
>All others were around for far longer.
The 9M96E and the likes are pretty much the same situation but they have been extensively photographed.

>>31902507
>Probably not but the 40N6 is reported in service
For about a year.
> and china is aiming to buy it.
Supposedly. Or maybe not. You contradict yourself here, you cant aim to buy something that does not exist.

>The same can be said about the missile, it's just a tube with fins on it.
No, not really, a lot can be said about the missile just by seeing its exterior.

>The 9M96E and the likes are pretty much the same situation but they have been extensively photographed.
Because they are old, m8, those are later S-300 missiles, they have been around for years.

ARMATA>>>>>>>>>>>>>S400

Great dearil.
15 rubles and a jar of sour pickles, comrade.

>>31902554
>For about a year.
And nothing except a name has ever appeared despite this.

>you cant aim to buy something that does not exist.
You can market something you do not yet have and I don't think russia trusts china with state secrets such as if they inflate their capabilities.

>a lot can be said about the missile just by seeing its exterior
And a lot can be said by reading labels on dials, ranges and symbols on meters, number of duplicate screens can indicates the number of operators and such.
>9M96E
But they where photographed before they entered official service.

>>31902647
>And nothing except a name has ever appeared despite this.
Much like many, many others. T-50 just had a name for a decade, next thing is report on news with its first flight. So what?
>You can market something you do not yet have
You can market it, but you cant aim to buy it.
>And a lot can be said by reading labels on dials
You cant read labels on dials there, m8. Besides, it is 99% reworked S-300 control panel, there is simply no need to change anything.
>But they where photographed before they entered official service.
And other things were photographed after, some things were proven to actually exist during Crimea and aftermath, for instance.

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>>31902688
>T-50
Is merely a crude prototype, years away from production but it has been photographed in great detail and lots of facts are known about it.
The 40N6 is calimed to be in service but NOTHING is known or seen of it.

>but you cant aim to buy it
Yes you can if you do not know it's a hoax.
It's not like russia would tell china the 40N6 is a bluff.

>You cant read labels on dials there, m8
Not on that photo on account of it being a bad photo but there are other photos of control stations.
> it is 99% reworked S-300 control panel
And the 1% can tell a ton because that's where you might have made changes to accommodate for increased performance.
>some things were proven to actually exist during Crimea and aftermath
Anything special you had in mind? Not following you.

But the thin is, if you want to keep something a secret, don't tell anyone you have it to begin with, especially not it's main strength, the 40N6 range in this instance.
Remember pic related?
No one knew what the fuck it really was until years later and there are still huge blanks.
If the US had told the world thy had stealth blackhawks they would have been far less effective.
By telling the world about their missile, russia has already blown their load as far as surprises go and they would benefit more from just going the propaganda route using it as a dick extension.
As of now it's just a "meh".

>>31900138

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village