.22 target pistols

always ruger mk2

Hammerli

Ruger Mark IV Hunter

>>31899186
Anything intently wrong with the mkiii?

>>31899196
Trigger pull and frame fit are significantly worse than the mkii, retarded loaded chamber indicator, retarded mag disconnect safety.

And it retains the pants on head takedown and reassembly.

>>31899196
The takedown requires an entire 21 drawer tool chest and 100 laborers over a week to complete.

>>31899177
Browning Buckmark here

>>31899231
>>31899225
That was has me really looking for a knob, but I can't find any in what in looking for anywhere

>>31899177
I for some reason bought the piece of shit known as the phoenix arms hp22

>>31899257
Buddy bought one. I asked him why a nd he says he wanted one.

So finally we got to go shoot. Through the third mag the piece of Shit didn't feed, and locked just out of battery abd froze. We tried everything and could not get it to budge. Turns out that the guide rod bent and fucked it's self freezing the slide in place.

He wasn't happy.

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Mkiii target in stainless. Takedown isn't nearly as bad as what people say, but the trigger pull could definitely be better

>>31899281
What tis this guide rod you speak of? Sitting here with mine apart and see no guide rod. You wouldn't be fibbin on the internets now would ya?

>>31899254
So buy a Buckmark/smith 41/Beretta 87T/Beretta spessgun

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>>31899304
Enjoy that ban.

I'm actually really psyched about the Ruger Mk IV. The redesign is fucking beautiful from an engineering standpoint.

>>31899303
It was the spring. I've only seen the innards once.

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>>31899177
10mm, thanks.

>>31899177
I think a threaded barrel should really be standard for most .22 target pistols these days.

>>31899367
I have one and if it was to somehow animate into a self aware living being I would let it have its way with me. It's that fucking sexy.

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>>31899414

Ruger Mark III with threaded barrel. AR-15 flash suppressor attached because I can. The Volquartsen trigger upgrade fixes trigger issues. Nothing fixes takedown issues, just man up and do it.

The gun is more accurate than I am.

Does the Buckmark lose zero when you take it apart?

Wow. The mods here are real faggots

>>31899549
My mistake. Sorry mods.

>>31899514
Presumably no, because you only have to remove the screw from the back end of the rail. Rail stays attached to the barrel via the front screw.

>>31899231
>>31899225
>>31899196
The triggers on MK 3s are also inferior to the other MKs. If you're going new get a MK 4 otherwise get a MK 1 or 2.

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model 41

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bzzzzt I come in peace

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As much as I want one of these star trek guns

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>>31901408
... I wouldn't mind one of these

>>31899177
Ruger 9.25 inch single six convertible is life

Ruger Mk 1 bull barrel here.

>>31899196
I own two Mark IIIs. I enjoy shooting them, BUT they have some problems.

* Difficult to disassemble and reassemble--bolt stop pin in new guns is fitted so tight that you can't fieldstrip the gun without a vise, a brass punch (preferably concave at the tip to keep it from slipping off the top of the bolt stop pin) and a baby sledge to drive that motherfucker out from the top (and you will see the scratches and gouges down its sides from passing through the undersized hole at the bottom of the frame). and you will need to polish the exterior with sandpaper or something to take several thousandths off or you will NOT get the bolt stop pin back in from underneath. Getting the hammer strut lined up at the end is EASY compared to driving that bolt stop pin out. I see people pulling them out from underneath with two fingers. It must be nice.
* Very finicky about ammunition, frequent malfunctions with any ammo that isn't at least CCI Blazer bulk pack/CCI Mini-Mags level in quality. Federal Automatch, I'm looking at you. Every couple hundred rounds I get a case that sticks HARD in the chamber, upon which the extractor will not engage, which has to be driven out from the muzzle end with a cleaning rod, among other things--lots of extraction and ejection problems too. I fired 200 rounds today in a gun that was white-glove clean and dripping with oil, and had four malfs, one of which required a cleaning rod to be stuck in the muzzle and tapped with a hammer to get the fired case out of the chamber. That's unacceptable. I have two Mk. IIIs, one stainless 5 1/2" target model that's bone stock without so much as a trigger job, one blued .22/45 with VQ extractor and firing pin, and loaded chamber indicator removed, and they both do this. And it's easy to say "just shoot Mini-Mags, what's the problem?" but .22 LR availability is still pretty spotty around here and you're lucky to find Remington Thunderturds if there's anything on the shelves at all.

>>31904483
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* BOTH of mine came out of the box with adjustable rear sight base so far over to the right that it took all the adjustment the sight had to get it back close to center, AND the front sight noticeably canted. Ruger centered the rear sight base but said the front sight was "within spec." It's just canted enough to be noticeable.
* Ever try getting the extractor out of a Mk. III's bolt, to clean its recess? Ever try cleaning out the extractor recess beside the chamber, in the upper receiver (all I can do is dig some of the soot out with a steel dental pick when it gets noticeable)? It is difficult in the extreme, to the point where I am considering getting a cheap ultrasonic cleaner from Harbor Freight and seeing if that'll do anything for the years of burnt-on carbon in both places.

I love shooting them, and availability of spare parts in case of parts breakage due to normal wear and tear was part of my reasoning for getting them and not something less common like a Buckmark. I do shoot in pretty high volume when I have the time and the ammo gods smile on me--over 1000 rounds a week when availability permits--so I may be experiencing issues that the 50-round-a-month weekend plinker will never see. I sometimes regret my decision, though.

>>31901408
I've never seen an original Whitney Wolverine for sale.

If you're talking about the Olympic clones, the few reviews I was able to find were not encouraging.

>>31899196

The LCI cutout can/will crack the receiver eventually. Most likely the reason why Ruger deleted it on the MKIV

The good news is Ruger will replace damaged firearms for free, except for FFL transfer fee.

>>31906077
There've been a few on gunbroker but I'd rather get a chance to check it out before I buy for one of these.

For the Olympic Arms one, I'll probably grab one if I see it ridiculously cheap but I do expect it to be really picky about ammo.

>>31904483
>* Very finicky about ammunition
thats weird my mkiii eats everything except subsonics. i believe you though. ive borrowed other peoples mkiiis and some were jamatastic. the worst ones were both customized

>>31899177
The new Smith is pretty nice and has an excellent price point, but the manual says it's not safe for dry fire.

>inb4 why are you dry firing a .22

I'm not, but I would prefer a design where the firing pin isn't at risk of breaking or peening the interior of the gun due to a failure to feed.

At the same time though, I can't wholeheartedly vouch for the Ruger Mk. IV either. While it doesn't have a problem with dry firing and its takedown has been massively improved, its price point seems quite high in the current market.

>>31899177

Ruger Mark series is the best overall for general purpose. It's the 10/22 of .22 pistols.

Buckmark, S&W 41, Beretta 87, Ruger SR22, S&W Kit Guns, and Ruger GP100/SP101s are good too.

>>31906122
yeah. I was at a gun show last weekend and saw several Ruger Mk. IV "Hunter" models for sale, the stainless ones with the fluted 7" barrel and fiberoptic sights. All were in the $650-700 range. One dealer had some used S&W Model 41s for $850.

I'm sure the Mk. IV is nice, but is it really comparable to a Model 41? Really? Because that's where the price point came out. Is it really twice as nice as a S&W Victory Model .22? I'm just asking.

>>31904483

Your malfunctions are kind of weird. I've run more than 15,000 rounds through my Mark III target model, and can probably count malfunctions on the fingers of one hand. Most of them were failure to fire due to defective ammo. I had one fail to eject, due to a split case (nice trick for 22 LR).

The gun seems to accept just about every kind of ammo that I've tried, with the exception of Winchester Subsonic. This one simply doesn't have enough energy to fully retract the bolt.

I mostly stick to fairly good quality match grade ammo, so maybe I haven't been exposed to problems with the cheap stuff.

Speaking of cheap stuff, I literally would not use Remington Thunderbolt if it was free. I got one batch of the stuff that melted lead all over the inside of a revolver barrel. I have heard bad stories from other people who tried to use it.

Yes, you're right. They are an unholy bitch to take apart and put back together. However, the bolt stop pin does get easier after it has been in and out a dozen times or so.

>>31906344
>that melted lead all over the inside of a revolver barrel

Do you mean melted wax? Because thunderbolts are wax coated and that can clog the bore. I've never heard of the lead itself melting.

>>31906474

No, they literally melted lead over the inside of the barrel. I had to drive it out with a dental pick and a steel rod.

The gun store where I go shooting got several 10/22 rifles with the same problem. They couldn't drive the lead out, and had to replace the barrels.

Apparently, the lead alloy used was defective, and melted too easily. In fact, Remington recalled the ammo. This didn't solve some of their other issues, such as voids in the bullets, and rounds so poorly crimped that the bullet fell out. Learned my lesson that cheap isn't the same as usable.

>>31906596

Oh wow. That's fucked.

>>31906596
Holy crap.

For future reference, an old gunsmith trick for removing lead from seriously leaded-up barrels is to plug one end of the bore and fill the barrel with mercury, and leave it for a few days. The lead will dissolve in the mercury.

>>31906596
...and yeah, the cheap bulk pack ammo is made to a price point, it's not made to be great ammo. Quality control is one of the corners they cut while making it.

With Remington "Golden Bullet" bulk pack--back when the packs of 525 were common items on the shelves at every Wal-Mart--I would get 5% duds, or more. Winchester "555" in the white box would give me 3% duds. Federal "Champion" bulk pack would give me 1% duds or thereabouts. I can't remember if I've ever gotten a dud with Federal Automatch--but every other possible thing has gone wrong with it, extraction problems, ejection problems, double-feeds, etc. It doesn't feel very consistent or very hot.

I haven't seen CCI "Blazer" bulk pack in over five years, but I went through a few cartons of it, and more than a few bricks of "Blazer" in the conventional 10-boxes-of-50-in-a-carton brick packaging, and never had one dud in... more than four thousand rounds of it all told, I think. If I had to guess just based on recoil and report, I'd also say that Blazers are loaded with at least 25% more powder than Automatch, too. Automatch just barely cycles the gun. Blazer, like Mini-Mags, actually cycles every semiauto I try it in, with authority, and gives me a lot fewer extraction and ejection problems.

>>31899177

none cause I can't get ammo

>>31906733
Well, that must suck.

>>31906725
Really?

Ive been buying automatch for a while now. I havent had too many issues, but then again i try to shoot everything else i have first.

Shit federal champion was .5 cents cheaper too

>>31909669
I will say Automatch is better than Remington "Thunderbolts" or "Golden Bullets," but that's not a very high bar to pass, is it?

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The MkIII isn't popular... must be why when looking for one I got a S&W 22A. It isn't bad, it takes down with a push on that button before the trigger when locked open. And it takes some leverage too so it's not going to just fall apart.

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>>31910056
I prefer the older Smith automatics.

Unfortunately they killed the line after a few years because it slowed down their 41 sales due to how good they were.

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I prefer to kick it very old-school

Pic related, Colt pre-Woodsman "pencil barrel" made in 1919 that I restored

>>31899496
majestic arms takedown

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Ruger MkIII 22/45. Bought base model for 300 bucks shipped to my door (canuck).

Removed the dumb magazine safety and disabled the loaded chamber indicator internally, slab-sided the barrel for a nicer balance.

It eats absolutely everything barring dud rounds that don't go off regardless what you do (even re-inserting to strike the rim at another spot), will put 10 rounds in less than 3" at 100 yards (probably better with a good shooter) and I've taken so many Rugers apart I can field strip mine blindfolded in like 10 seconds.

>>31899496
getting a new Mark IV fixes takedown issues

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Pic related or Hämmerli stuff

>>31910588
Nice looking machine work.

My skills at offhand shooting aren't nearly sufficient for 3 MOA. Standing unsupported, using the Weaver stance, my best is 5 1/2" at 25 yards for ten shots fired in somewhat under a minute, and nine were in 4" with one flier well off to the left.

Everybody tells me that with a scope these pistols are capable of putting ten shots in one ragged hole you can cover with a dime at 25 yards, all day errday, at least with decent ammo--the cheap stuff is a bit inconsistent but a twenty-five cent piece would still cover the groups.

>>31899177
I have a S&W 22A. It was my first gun, and I like it, despite not shooting it much lately.

Never had any problems with it, and is definitely more accurate than I am.

>>31906725
I've had nothing but problems with Remington .22 ammo. High failure rate, loose bullets in the casing, and leaving my guns very dirty.

Blazer was my go to ammo for my .22s, but I haven't seen any since 2012. I think I had one dud in about 4000 rounds of it.

I'm finally starting to see .22 regularly again, though usually its Federal Automatch, which is still leagues above Thunderbolts.

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>>31899177

get a hi-standard. they're older and have some collector following, but I have one and I love it.

Needs to be kept clean, but has an amazing trigger and ergonomics. works best with CCI minimag and is very consistent

>>31913414
make sure to check whether or not yours is supposed to shoot standard velocity or not
my old high standard is SV because HV will batter the thing to pieces over time

>>31913414
I thought you had to be really careful about what year of production you get when you buy one. IIRC there were a lot of different companies that assumed the name over the years, many except for the original being sub-par

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>>31913414
>>31913442

mine was made at the plant in Connecticut. serial puts it being made in approximately 1953. where did you read this? i know to look out with old guns, but I have never had an issue, especially have never fired something like super-x out of it.

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>>31913469
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>>31913629

>>31913629
various forums. high standards seem to have a tendancy to get a frame crack after a bunch of HV ammo

speaking of I need to go get some more SV ammo. I traded a guy 1500 minimags for 1500 SV but that's not going to last forever. I have a shitload of minimags in comparison

>>31901390
>own a U22 NEOS
>take gf plinking
>only shoot bolt actions with her before (7.62x54r, 30-06 etc.)
>she shoots
>"omg ow :( anon this hurts my hand!"
>explain to her that the bolt actions we shot have way more kick and this shouldn't be hurting her
>show her how small a .22lr is vs a full-size rifle round
>still can't shoot .22 (or any handgun) without experiencing pain

I don't get it, but hey, more .22 for me.

>>31904483
>Difficult to disassemble and reassemble

Son, let me introduce you to the world of Mark IV's. I've never seen disassembly so fucking easy in my life.

>>31901390
How's the Neo? I can pick one up cheap are they decent?

>>31899225
>>31899231
>>31899496
Tilt the barrel slightly upward when you close the mainspring housing. There. I have solved the apparently insurmountable task of reassembling a Ruger pistol. I swear, whenever someone mentions the difficulty of disassembly or reassembly of the Mark series pistols, I assume they also need help tying their fucking shoes in the morning.

>>31914095
maybe slide bite she is talking about.

>>31906077
Auctions son. And not gunbroker bullshit, like auctions from actual auction houses like Rock Island Auction, Cowans, Pook, Skinner, etc. RIA sold a blued whitney wolverine cib on Nov 3rd for about $1,500

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>>31913960

gotcha, did some reading about this and the years as well. I recall a few comments about the change in .22lr and pre-1934 models. Mine hasn't had any issues thus far, and I recently acquired a new recoil spring.

thinking of switching to that federal 'suppressor' stuff in the black box, as its advertised at <1000 fps and plated.

>>31915251
You've never had to use a vise, hammer, and punch to get the bolt stop pin out in the first place, then?

How come nobody has anything to say about 22 revolvers?
I looked at the ruger single six and it looks like a lot more plinking fun.
Do they work as well mechanically?

Ruger MkIV is pretty amazing besides there not being a threaded 22/45 model yet. I've got a MkIII 22/45 Lite for the suppressor I'm waiting on. Got rid of the LCI and magazine disconnect and put in a smoother trigger and volquartsen sear and some other things. Ruger is the way to go if you like customization.

>>31914095
There's gotta be something fundamentally wrong with her grip, but that still blows me away.

>>31919095
I don't know. Maybe they're less common.

I know this winter I saw a used S&W 617 at a local gun store but they wanted $700 for it. Dealer price on a new GP100 in .22 LR runs $600-700 these days. I think the price might be part of why they're a little less commonplace. I wouldn't say no to a used GP100 .22 if the price were right, of course.

>>31904483
>Very finicky about ammunition, frequent malfunctions with any ammo that isn't at least CCI Blazer bulk pack/CCI Mini-Mags level in quality. Federal Automatch, I'm looking at you
I think it's yours. Mine eats all that shit. Even with crappy Remington ammo it functions just fine. I've got about 2,000 round through it and have had maybe 5 malfunctions, not including failures to fire with bad ammo.

>>31919095
I've dicked around with 2 .22 revolvers. A heritage rough rider and a Ruger lcr. They're fun, but I've noticed that the brass can be difficult to eject sometimes, even more so if you strike the same brass twice.

>>31919168
>S&W 617
A guy I work with has one... It is fucking amazing, but no way I would pay what the want for one...