Why is Russia better at fighting than the USA?

>>31892088
>implying the US wants to defeat ISIS

>>31892088
ISIS is a US-Israeli proxy force.

>>31892088

ISIS is a tool of American foreign policy.

>implying the US GOV actually wants to stop ISIS after CIA and MI5 have put so much money into them

>>31892088

>Russia defeated ISIS after fighting them after other forces did for several years

>Russia defeated Nazi Germany because the US only showed up the last couple of years of the war

Operation Just Cause, Urgent Fury, Korean War and the Gulf War were successful.

Every major battle in Vietnam was won by U.S. forces, the only real "defeat" is when the democratic party withdrew US support from Vietnam after we won the war and the South got overtaken without a chance of assistance.

Your memes are inaccurate.

>>31892088
Russia has prefomed far worse in all conflicts. They only scrape by in syria by commiting war crimes, they lost strategic bombers against an enemy with no high altitude SAM and their attempt at Afganistan is the worst one in history.

>>31892088
Russia has the power of Ares, the God of war.

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>>31892088
Effective recognition and promotion of talent regardless of political concerns.

Because America is fighting for al-qaeda and Russia is fighting for a safe haven for Christians in the Middle East. US is really sick right now, worse than Vietnam.

>US assisting Iraqis, Iraqis make push towards Mosul and the eventual recapture of their country.

>Russia assisting the Syrians, who've gone no where and did nothing since the Russians began their bombing campaign

neck yourself, OP

>>31892088
? Russia has a terrible track record.

They fucked up in WW1 and despite an overwhelming advantage in numbers and technology they sustained horrific loses in ww2.

>>31893845
>horrific loses in ww2.

Germans were executing all Soviet civilians and POWs. If Russians had killed all Germans in East Germany and repopulated it with Russians(and they really should've done this), the numbers would be evenly matched.

>>31893888
>Germans were executing all Soviet civilians and POWs

So, all these that returned from German POW camps after 1945 and were sent to gulags or executed by NKWD for "treason" were only ghosts?

>>31893888
wut? I'm talking about combat deaths.

Seriously, look at Russia's history.They have an abysmal track record at war.

>>31892105
/thread

>>31892088
Because they have very cute airplanes

>>31892088
It's easier to eliminate an enemy if you bomb indiscriminately

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>>31892088

>>31892088
No rules of engagement.

>>31892088
>Corrupt US politicians fund a militia group for years along with ordering their straight up evil intelligence/secret police agencies to train them
>Malicious US spy/paramilitary agency turns a blind eye to enemy foreign powers also training and equipping militia group
>corrupt media is ordered to spin stories about the new "terrorist" militia that seems to have sprung up from nowhere to scare and manipulate populace
>Corrupt politicians order the military to fight this "new threat" in a meandering effectual way that denies any actual victories while ensuring new enemie soldiers are recruited and billions of tax dollars go to businesses the politicians have a stake in
>situation gets out of control
>foreign nuclear powers start feeling threated by the pet "enemy" the US created
>Russia starts actually waging war
>Without skipping a beat the USAs ruling Oligarchs begin gleefully prepping their nations broken tax cattle(men) for a world war they have nothing to gain from

If a war is started we need to do our patriotic duty and kill every single corrupt sociopathic fuck in the federal government.

And then you remember Russia has only done token airstrikes on ISIS whereas city after city controlled by ISIS has fallen to Iraqi or Kurdish forces with US air support.

>>31895542
Or, they've been deciding airstrike targets based on who threatens Assad's government the most. You seem to forget that 'FSA' and all your 'moderates' are a legitimate target for the RuAF, and that bombing them is what saved the legitimate Syran goverment.

ISIS is not a direct threat at the moment, and will probably be dealth with in due time. CIA's alumni of 2013 needs to be elimnated first.

>>31892339
While Russia was doing most of the work, one could argue that the US was still absolutely necessary.
Germany was incredibly advanced by the end of the war, and the US was doing a huge amount to cripple the rise of their new technologies; controlling supplies, and bombing facilities.

German jet fighters would have been common without US intervention, and even the massively outnumbered fighters built with poor materials got roughly a kill each; sufficiently numerous fighters built properly could have been devastating.

>>31895211
You're an idiot.

>US imprisons massive number of insurgents in camps in Iraq
>Iraq lets them go
>US builds up a Sunni loyalist militia that actively works jointly for a better Iraq
>Iraq stops paying them
>Two groups get together
>Rob every bank in the area
>Now has the funds, equipment, manpower, and training to seize a massive amount of territory in Iraq and Syria
>Chases the poorly paid and trained Iraqi regular army out

>US, after over a decade of direct intervention, decides to operate as support, supply, and advising, but Iraq and Kurdistan have to do most of the work
>Russia, fearing the loss of sole ally in the region Assad in Syria, chooses to help him fuck up the rebels and everyone near them and bomb ISIS once in a while to say "look at how I'm helping!"

>>31894944
I'd point toward this, btw sure is /pol/ in here.

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>>31895211
t.

>>31892088
>>31895636
>Russia has been destroying ISIS!
>No it hasn't
>Well they'll get around to it eventually!

Fucking vatniks...

>>31892350
>democratic

Republican. FTFY. Let's not forget who followed LBJ and the platform he ran on with respect to Vietnam

>>31896481
>Republican. FTFY.
No, it was the Democrats in Congress from 1973-75 that refused Nixon's and then Ford's requests to honor US obligations to South Vietnam while North Vietnam was continually supplied by the Soviets and then invaded and swept away an underarmed South.

>>31893632
Russia isn't backing the rebels in Mosul. The US created them, sent them to Syria and are now cleaning up Iraq.
>Western and gulf funded ""rebels"" & peaceful whitehelmets (pleasewatchthemovieonetflixkthx)
>hurrdurr! The Russians are shit, they can't capture anything, even with the help of IRCG, Hezbollah, and Syria's own army
>just pretending to be retarded

the worst part is that there's a minority of people who will actually believe the shit you're saying.

>>31896261
>>31896405
>Bluepilled cucks stroking it to the idea of going around the world and getting maimed while their fat whore gfs and wives get Blacked all because some evil rich fuck said it was manly.

WAR, HOAH! GOOD GOYS YALL

>>31892088
>ICTF, IA and Kurds doing all the work
>Russian sorties are a fraction of what the US has been doing

yeah russia is the one who is hurting ISIS

>>31892088
Because the US is ISIS

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-22/

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

>>31892088
Anyone feel free to correct me on this as my statements are made 100% based on american news brainwashing but the current US does things that the Russia does not, such as:
>Rules of Engagement
>Having to pay for houses we smash
>Using surgical strikes to kill faceless leaders who are a dime a dozen since they, in their infinite CIA wisdom, know how to continue a resistance and maintain a constant supply of willing fanatical leaders

>>31896682
It's more like Russia is can bomb in Syria without having to get through the Russians.

ISIS in Iraq has been getting raped.

The US uses a PC kind of war. They are chained by their lawyers and "rules of engagement" and looking like good guys.
Russia gives zero fucks about being nice.

>>31896609
>Hi, I'm an insecure retard, and this is how I tell the world!

>>31896745
Which in this environment is a great way to get the opposite of the intended effect and make the enemy more popular.

>>31892088
Look ma, I made the thread again!

>>31892088
Daesh was defeating itself with its strategic idiocy of turning just about everyone into an enemy.

The Russians actually didn't bomb Daesh much; they focused on the kinda pro-Western FSA rebels in the Northwest.

Check the "ISW Blog" for details on where they bombed when.

>>31898895
>Daesh was defeating itself with its strategic idiocy of turning just about everyone into an enemy.
Not just that, but they had limited coffers to start with, and pretty much everybody with useful skills or significant taxable income took everything they had and fled to Europe, so very little new revenue in the "State."

>>31896609
gee thanks anon, now I know that I can disregard anything you've ever said! Thanks!

>>31892088
Russia has been awful at war before the USSR and has been awful ever since. Even the USSR wasn't great at it.

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>>31892088
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC644Ol9U2M

Russians really don't have any RoE?

It's even more impressive given that Russia hasn't engaged ISIS very much, and has focused most of its efforts in the northwest of Syria, bombing the occasional hospital and DP camp.
It's not like there's a colossal aerial campaign going on by several countries exclusively focusing on bringing ISIS to heel, with assorted special forces and artillery support for Iraqi, Kurdish and Turkish elements in play.

>>31892189
>US-Israeli
The US is an Israeli Proxy

>>31900270
/pol/'s leaking again.

>>31892088
>He believes that Obama really wants to fight ISIS
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>>31892088
You know the Russians haven't been fighting against ISIS on their own in Syria.
There are a lot of ground forces involved too, rebels, kurds, Assad military.

Not only are the Russians bombing, but the Syrian military and the USAF too.

So there's nothing really "single handedly" about russia winning against ISIS.

>>31896365
How is it /pol/ here?

Cause his comment doesn't imply the Russians don't care ROE because it's against muslims.

Remember that hostage situation, with the Russian hostages, where the Russian teams basically killed everyone?

Lack of ROE is kinda a Russian trait.

>>31900094
requesting that greentext about the Russian navy constantly fucking up.

Since there are so many, I better be specific.

The one where the battleships kept accidentally shooting each other, and couldn't sink a fishing boat.

>>31900118
Wait, what hit the chopper? I didn't see any projectile or rocket trail.

It's not unlike Russian vehicle to just explode.

>>31900415

Looks like they tossed a demo charge in it. Range is way too long for RPG or recoil-less rifle.

Tell it to japan russiaboo.

>>31892105
fpbp

ISIS destabilizes a Russian and Iranian ally, and is an existential threat to a regime that openly opposes our (((greatest ally))).

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>>31892088
>russia
>good
Russia is weak trash when it comes to fighting.
Remember this little gem?
How dune coons assaulted a base and wrecked a russian supply depot and four russian Mi-24s?
Russians are probably the weakest fighters if you count man for man.

>>31901831
Those were assad's hinds, moron.

>>31892105
This

>>31892088
We haven't actively tried to defeat ISIS...

>>31892088
Russia somehow has the great reputation at fighting. The only major conflict they have been involved in since WW2 was Afghanistan, which was nothing short of an embarrassment for their armed forces (except maybe the KGB and Spetznaz).

>>31901848
>damage control

>>31892088
Russia is bombing civilians, no ISIS in Aleppo.

>>31895644
>German jet fighters would have been common without US intervention
The oil supply in Germany would not have been able to sustain jet fighters

Daily reminder that Assad harbored terrorist that fought against US forces in Iraq between 2005-2008

Daily reminder that Assad deliberately did not target ISIS during the height of its growth knowing that the west would have to intervene against them


The fact that terrorists have destroyed Assads country is entirely his own fault

>>31902077
This

>>31902036
Yes it would have, and it did.

>>31902009
Don't forget the embarrassments in Chechnya and Georgia that they rationalize as "we did what we wanted to."

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>>31895644
>one could argue that the US was still absolutely necessary.

arguing against it would be wrong

>>31892088
I dunno what news you are watching but the ISIS is doing OK in Syria, they are on the brink of defeat in Iraq... where guess what, the Americans are doing the heavy lifting with a fraction of Russian support (mostly weapons).

You are probably thinking about the "moderate headchoppers" and their ilk and not the ISIS.

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>>31892088
>bringing ISIS to the brink of defeat?

Rules of Engagement
Laws of Armed Conflict
Military Lawyers
>No military with these impediments has ever decisively defeated an enemy since they implemented

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>>31896682
hahaha, how about...you just don't pay for those houses? Don't think the Russian government paid back to fix Grozny. That would've bankrupted them twice over.

>>31902188
To be honest though, that's how you should fight a war, and not pussy foot around.
>>31902009
Which we supplied. Also, by the way, did you know Afghanistan was socialist and way fucking better off? Did you know who wanted to be independant? The Mujahadeen. And Iran. Who helped them. We supplied the Mujahadeen and Iran. All of this is our fault. It dates back to that conflict.

>>31902488
>look mom, I'm being edgy

>>31901848
No they where russian hinds and kreml tried to claim it was an """accident""", which is laughable.
Then again, given how fucking terrible russians are, it is not beyond reason they would fuck up that bad.

>>31902576
>To be honest though, that's how you should fight a war, and not pussy foot around.
You missed what I said, which was that they got their asses kicked but rationalized it away.

>>31902888
2008 georgia
Russians winning the war in a week. No real georgian oposition after day 5. With a garrison force and no numerical advantage.
> getting their asses kicked

What the fuck are you smoking? Yes the whole operation was a clusterfuck. Especialy their air force performance was bad. But completly oblitarating the enemy is far away from getting their asses kicked.

Oh and by the way the soviets won most of the decisive battles in afghanistan. The problem was that the moment they left a position in the hands of the afghan army it was immediatly retaken by the taliban.

>>31893582
screen captured for posterity

>>31904054
Keep telling yourself that buddy.

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>>31902546
>Don't think the Russian government paid back to fix Grozny.

But that's exactly what they did.

>>31892088
This Thread is filled with cucks and shills for both sides (America, Russia). To be honest no one is telling the truth anymore and I don't believe anyone but with Americas track record of bullshit I wouldn't be surprised if the Ruskies were doing a better job as I honestly believe we're not as great as we claim we are like we just bullshit about our capabilities. But then again so could the Russians.

>>31905382
>American tendency to understate capability and fret about losses, then be overwhelmingly devastating in combat
>Russia peacocking and overstating of capabilities with excessive losses and collateral damage
>Same thing

>>31905453
Just let the thread die.

>>31892105
FPBP

>>31892088

This thread is why we need flags.

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>>31892088

>Can any American explain why Russia, with a few dozen aircraft and a small fraction of US resources, has been so successful in bringing ISIS to the brink of defeat?

Because our politicians decided that they could overthrow a country they didn't like by giving half ass support to a bunch of random rebels who they assured us were all super nice moderates. They then proceeded to arm a bunch of random fucking Jihadists many of whom ended up turning into ISIS. Now when we go to bomb ISIS we struggle to pick them out from the other random Jihadis we armed many of whom either fight along side or are at least neutral towards ISIS. And naturally we can't admit that these random Jihadis aren't moderate or that they have zero fucking chance of beating Assad and ISIS and building a stable pro western Democracy because that would entail admitting our leaders were wrong.

So the US has to tip toe around the losing horse we picked in this race while the Ruskies can bomb the living fuck out of anyone vaguely resembling ISIS while Obama complains about them killing our "moderate rebels".

>>31905766
>Shit he was forced to do as a kid
>Spent the rest of his life in a christian church, and in the 08 elections given shit about that pastor's statements

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>>31905968

>Shit he was forced to do as a kid

Pfffft, liberals love that Multicultural shit.

>Spent the rest of his life in a christian church, and in the 08 elections given shit about that pastor's statements

Dude's an atheist. He joined that church to pander to the local blacks in Chi town then he bailed on them because what played well locally didn't play nationally.

>>31902576
>Also, by the way, did you know Afghanistan was socialist and way fucking better off
Ever heard of the Saur revolution? The Afghan socialists were already fucking themselves over before any mujahideen got involved.

>>31902298
Not to mention that those 427,284 trucks and 35,170 motorcycles were actually extremely important. They allowed the Soviet Army to mechanize it's infantry divisions and advance rapidly all over the Eastern Front.

>>31892088
The US wanted a destabilized Syria, so supporting and using SAA means isn't a choice.

Russia isn't really doing a lot of fighting in Syria (compared to Libya or other comperable incidents), most of the fighting is done by SAA.

>>31906002
>The literal "all day photo op" picture series
It's more impressive that he could maintain his poise so well for so long.

>Dude's an atheist. He joined that church to pander to the local blacks in Chi town then he bailed on them because what played well locally didn't play nationally.
So? It's not like he could actually attend a church in Chicago once in the White House anyways. And why does a president's religious beliefs matter unless they're actively using them in unconstitutional ways, like, say, trying to pass Christian Sharia?

>>31902488
>Desert Storm

Kill yourself.

>>31900187
>bringing ISIS to heel
Hello Hilary