Redpill me on single stack 9x19. I am looking for my first CC.

>>31889947
Is it reliable?
Is it reasonably accurate?
Okay, it's met the minimum "good gun" criteria IMO.

Beyond that, it's gonna come down to how it feels to you personally. I think the shield is a nice compromise because it's a bit bigger than your standard subcompact single stack.

A bit of extra heft is welcome in my book when looking at a category of gun notorious for not being soft shooting.

>>31889989
Kahr is a lemon factory.

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I really like my Shield. Ran it through mud tests and about 500 rounds during my last outing. Ran like a champ. Not saying it's what you should get, it's just what I like

>>31889947
herea how I feel about them, theyre a good concept but theres better options.

take the glock 43, neat its a single stack glock but the glock 26 is only .18 inches wider and holds twice as many rounds and fills the hand making it easier to shoot.

Theyre made for people who play the numbers game, in reality theres no difference in concealing a 1 inch gun and a 1.5inch gun but people watch shit like nutnfancy and he talks about it needing to weigh so many ounces and be so long and all this shit but 10 ounces here and an inch here dont matter.

>tl;dr get a subcompact or a compact for better handling and capacity.

>>31889947
I vote XDs for reliability, double integrated safety, potential clip holster, and dashing good looks

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>>31889947
If you can afford it, get it.

Fantastic EDC.

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>>31890149
the 43 is noticeably slimmer than the 26

yeah there may be no difference in concealing them if you're sticking the weapon between your fat rolls but for the rest of us who don't wear cargo shorts on a daily basis and need to deep conceal the 43/single stacks have a significant advantage

>>31889947
LC9 is shit IMO, but the LC9S is nice. Very good trigger. Ergos aren't the best though, I find the Shield much more comfy to shoot.

I hate the XDs.

Those are the only ones on your list I have experience shooting. I'd really like to shoot a PPS Gen1 though.

>>31890172

Is that a 938?

>>31890149
i shoot my 42 better than my 26.

>>31890375
Yes sir.
BRG flavor.
Thick, rubber grip that finishes off the hand and ergo.

>>31890137
How much of a bitch the front sight is on those things is getting me to buying a sight pusher.

I know this is a single stack thread and out of all your picks, I really like the xds, but you should consider the cz rami bd. Weighs a little more due to its aluminum frame but it's only slightly bigger than the g43 and holds more. I love cz though so I might be biased.

>>31890137
+1
also now comes in 45 if thats what gets ur dick hard, same size same capacity

I tried a PPS M1 and I really didn't like it because it was so blocky, the M2 looks great though and I really want to give it a try, I ended up not buying a single stack 9 at that time.

>>31890137
can you red pill me on why you would throw a shit ton of dirt on your pistol ?

>>31891721
btw, I EDC the shield 9mm performance center, great gun

I have a Shield, G43, and a PM9, Shield is the best of the bunch imo. Might try a PPS M2 just for yucks and chucks. 938 and XD are out for me, don't like the safety. And lolNano.

>>31891721
A fun test. Got the chamber muddy, rubbed the magazine in mud too. Don't worry, I gave it a thorough cleaning afterwards

>>31889947
>Sig 938
I love mine when it works, but I absolutely hate the fact that it is finicky beyond limits. FTEs and stovepipes happen way too often to feel comfortable carrying it. Gotta admit, though, that they happen with range ammo and I, being the cheapass that I am, only simulate the real life draw and empty the mag into the target with hollow points about once a month - HPs are expensive. So, if you're willing to try your luck, get one and see if it works for you. Don't make your judgement based on range rentals - those are usually filthy as hell and might fail a couple of times per mag.

I'm a Beretta fanboy but the Nano is p shit
my favorite from that list is Walther PPS, Glock 43 is also excellent.

>>31892698
>I'm a Beretta fanboy but the Nano is p shit
>my favorite from that list is Walther PPS

Are you me?

But seriously OP, this. PPS is a good CC pistol. Get an Aliengear holster and you're set.

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>>31892714
>get a good gun but a piece of shit holster

>>31890211
that pic is a 42

>>31891568
way thicker than a shield
only holds 1 more round
weighs twice as much

I really wanted to like the rami but I cant deny the truth

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I like my Walther CCP. Bought it because of inRangeTV, and I am a contrarian hipster.

>pros
Really easy to shoot. Feeds HST and hydra shok just fine. Grip fit my hands nicely, and the texture is surprisingly grippy.

>cons
Gets dirty fast. I get about one or two FTF's after putting ~150 rounds through it in one range trip. Takedown is frustrating at first, then less frustrating after some practice.

>>31893408
One or two FTF's after putting 150 rounds through it? That's not the gun getting dirty quickly... that's Umarex trash. Buying a non-Ulm Walther is retarded. I have 2k+ rounds through my PPQ and my PPS (both M1's) without ever cleaning or oiling them and they are my EDC's (depending on clothing for the day) without a single FTF or FTE on either. And my fun, range ammo is super dirty Remington UMC.

>>31893241
The shield comes with two magazines, a 7 and an 8. The rami comes with a 10 and a 14.... Neither of these cases is a 1 round difference.

>>31893510
there is a 1 round difference between my 9 round magazine and the 10 round for the rami
shield is still shorter

Whats all the hate on the beretta nano? Ive been thinking about getting one, felt pretty good when i held it.

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>>31889947

Glock 43 - Shit sights, most people hate it.
S&W Shield - Shit trigger, unless you drop $200 on an Apex trigger.
Walther PPS - The master race of single stack 9s. Well above the rest.
Colt Defender - Don't know on this one.
Beretta Nano - I like it.
Sig 938 - This would be my second choice after the Walther. Keep in mind this has a safety.
Sig 290RS - Shit
Ruger LC9 - Shittier shit
Springfield XDs - Croatia shit
Springfield EMP 3" - Croatia shit

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>>31889947
>Sig 290RS
Get it, make sure to get the night sights.
Totally worth it, softest shooting single stack 9 I have ever owned.

I was facing the same choice a year ago.

I went with an lc9s pro for 300 with three mags and two holsters.

Trigger is way better than my glocks, ergos are just fine (came with talon grip, pretty decent). I can forget about it in most pockets with my nemesis holster.

Wish it were prettier. Would have bought the 938, but ive heard it has too many problems.

Also, im not a great shot but i can hit a soda can 2/3 times at 20 yards

>>31893679
>Walther PPS

this. went doublestack instead, but fuck it's a nice gat. better trigger than vp9

>>31893193
I haven't had a problem with mine.

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>>31889947
You forgot to consider the finest pistol ever made.

>>31893892
ayy lmao holsters work, but stealth gear is a lot comfier.

>>31889947
If you want quality, Walther.

If you need cheap, Shield.

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I just really wish they hadn't hit the gen 2 PPS with the ugly stick. Previous model looked far better in the grip. But modern Walther look like hi-points, so maybe its what they're going for.

>>31893915
>no paddle mag release

treasonous. it's comfy to hold though.

>>31890172
I wished it didn't have a safety. Probably the only reason I'm selling mine

>>31894142
SAO with no safety? wew lad

>>31889947
I was honestly considering the Kel-Tec PF9.
Thin as fuck, which matters when carrying if you dont want to print as much.
Don't listen to the
>Kel-Tec
memes. It's actually pretty good.

>>31894356
>Kel-Tec PF9
Good enough for ZimZam, good enough for OP

>>31889947
Kel-Tec PF9 anon here.
Boberg XR9-S (heard it was now being made by Bond Arms and called the Bullpup?) also is a pretty good gun. Longer barrel because of the whole "bullpup" thing, but still the same length as any other compact/subcompact.

>>31891568
Ramis are like almost g26 size dude
There is a reason they've been discontinued.

>>31889947
Of the ones you mentioned I would go for the Walther pps (if you want a bigger single stack 9mm), glock 43 and ruger lc9 pro (for breddy small single stack 9mm) and Kahr cm9, pm9 or sig 938 (for super small single stack 9mm.)

>>31894184
My room mate has one. Its SAO but has a pretty heavy trigger. Maybe 7 lbs? I'd be okay with it, but ymmv.

>>31893915

Who cares how it looks? for less than $300 the PPX is the best gun you can get brand new, bar none.

>>31893905
>Aliengear holster
Subjective. I own both, and an SP2022 is leaps and bounds better with the AG over the stealth.

OP I have the springfield EMP and I love it, it is my baby. It is such a sexy 1911, so fun to shoot. However, it's going to be a few hundred dollars more than those other guns you said. Also keep in mind that since the barrel is shorter, you wont be as accurate as you would another gun with a longer barrel.

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more or less the same concept as any pistol. Buy from a well known and respected brand and you should be ok. Still air on the side of caution and do research on what you find, the smaller a pistol the more likely it can have problems. Im not one for ultra tiny subcompacts either. I tired a sig p238 and hated it, it felt like a toy youd get in a cereal box. Ii need a little but more gun to grab onto myself, so dont think you need the tiniest things on the market

>>31893448
Gotta agree with you. p99 and ppq and ppqm2 will just plain run beautifully, pps isn't quite as great, but it's pretty great. ccp is not great. it feels dumb. i'd honestly rather shoot the p22 than the ccp.
yes, i have all of those, and then some. i'm a walther nut.

I just finally got an original PPS 9mm and it's been a good edc so far. Before that I had been either carrying a pocket .32 or the ppq depending on how much clothes i was wearing.
i ordered a stealthgear holster for the pps a week ago and i can't fucking wait to get it.

>>31889947
They're perfect for summer activities like cycling or whatever.
Walther PPS with +1 is best.
Glock 43 is too nice small for someone with big hands to hold a grip on, rubber sleeve might help.
XDS in 45 is surprisingly nice shooting as well but trigger has a lot of creep.

Colt and sigs, 938, are best avoided IMO.

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>>31889947
XDs in 9mm. It's pretty nice. I've had exactly 3 stoppages, all within the first 100 rounds through it, and I've put well over 3,000 rounds through it.

Something to note, those three stoppages were with shitty ammo and a new magazine. So most likely not the guns fault.

Also available in .40 S&W and .45 ACP.

With the 9mm you can have a 7 round flush mag, 8 round slightly extended, or 9 round extended.

>>31890225
>I like the shield but not the XDs
You have no taste. The shield looks like down syndrome from the waist down

I have a G43 and frankly, it's exactly what you need for concealed carry. It's not too small that someone's gargantuan hands would struggle to wield it, but not too bulky that a smaller person (lady, manlet, etc.) would fight with getting it out of a holster and aimed downrange.

People complain that it's only 6+1 but these are the same people that have only ever owned, say, G17 mod 3's and whatnot. After all, it's designed for reduced size.

It's nice.

>>31893915
>Modern walther look like hi points
I can't deny this. When I saw your thumbnail, I thought it was a hi point

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Not OP, but I really like the CZ 2075 RAMI

But, I wish it was single stack

Does something like that exist?

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Can you carry the bersa thunder .380 combat cocked and locked, or does it have a safety devices?

>>31899333
>Manual safety lever/decocking
It would appear the answer is no. Do you think it could be modified so that it doesn't decock when the safety is on?

>redpill me on

needs to be banned

its a sign of retardation and low quality posting and posters

>>31899387
>body-on-frame construction
>>31899333
But it is DA/SA, so there's that.

Just get a Makarov.

>>31899545
The RAMI is actually thinner anyway, as it turns out, so I'll be happy with that

>>31899512

It just means "tell me about this, also I'm a bitter fat manchild". Which is good because it lets you know OP is a retard who isn't going to listen to a damn thing you tell him in his thread.

>>31899763

OP here, I actually got some useful info from this thread. Thanks all.

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>>31899895
Most comfy I've had is my G42 in a sticky holster. You could certainly do worse.

>>31899940

This thread has focused my interest on the G43, PPS, and 938, and killed my interest in the Nano.

>>31899928
that's pretty big and ugly compared to a 938

then again it doesnt have all those basic 1911 flaws either

>>31899953
G43 is aiight. I just happen to like .380 ACP but that's me.

>>31899989
>1/2 muzzle energy of 9mm
y tho

>>31889947
kahr mk9

>>31890091
Are kahr really bad? I was looking at a T9 myself but don't know a single person who owns one. I would be sticking with their metal, I can't really say I like any polymer guns.

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I love my XDS, 1000+ rounds and no failures. Price point is also a thing. For a little bit more than a shield, you get something that just looks 100% better and has more innovative features. Grips safety, loaded chamber indicator, nice trigger, and internal safety.

Pic of mine.

>>31899981
It's not big. I can appendix carry w/o print no problemo. Much harder to do comfortably with a double stack

>>31900246
Yeah, I wouldn't use one. If it's all you can afford go ahead, but I'd just spend a 100 more for something much more reliable and will hold up better.

>>31900286
Kahrs aren't all that cheap if you're avoiding their "economy" CM lines, which I was planning to avoid anyways. Are you saying the all metal T series also has reliability issues?

>>31893537
Where do you buy these nine round mp shield magazines?

Shield has my vote , i own one and it's as reliable as you can get,2k+ rounds and never had a problem with it.
It's worth the buy.

>>31892698
can confirm
my dad daily carries a nano that he says is the greatest concealed carry gun ever but it looks and feel stupid as fuck and shoots 2 feet below whatever you're aiming at.

It's not single stack, but do any of you have an FNS-9c? While it looks like it has a good price point and feature set from the videos I saw, I've never handled one in the flesh.

>>31894622
>Kel-Tec PF9 anon here.
>Boberg XR9-S (heard it was now being made by Bond Arms and called the Bullpup?) also is a pretty good gun. Longer barrel because of the whole "bullpup" thing, but still the same length as any other compact/subcompact.

Kel-tec's problem was they were a little manufacturer and they didn't have great tolerance controls. This resulted in many guns having to be hand fit to work. That's not a sustainable practice. They've undergone some process changes, received some process certifications and hired some additional staff. None of the stuff that mentions their ISO 9000 cert on the box has come back for not working. They've really stepped their game up.

Bond Arms hasn't actually released the bullpup. You can't order one right now. They say they're going to support the Boberg guns but Bond Arms hasn't made anything but derringers forever so the space pope only knows if they'll be any good or their repairs will work.

>>31899718
>Just get a Makarov.

Terrible post with terrible advice.

I had a nano didn't like it very much sold it and bought a bersa 380. It is the piece i carry most often

>>31900027
Ask Franz Ferdinand. He could tell ya.

>>31901955
>Ask Franz Ferdinand. He could tell ya.

He was a bitch and died like a bitch.

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Bunch of poor fags up in here

>>31890211
>cargo shorts
Jesus Christ this, everyone who talks about concealing big guns dresses like shit. Shirts two sizes too big, conspicuous vests, fanny packs

>>31893908
Shield owner here. I put a new trigger and night sights on mine and it's fucking wonderful. Regular practice is more important that what brand you own, unless you get something just super bad, like a Sigma

>>31903492
I've got a P7M8. So what? You wanna fight about it?