Russian (((Electronic Warfare)))

Soviet air defence didn't notice a Cessna flying below radar into their territory.

Meanwhile Jew York air defence didn't notice two airliners crashing into skyscrapers.

>>31880745
Nice bait

But one is incompetence and the other is unpreventable terrorism

Nice try kid

>>31880745

Fighter pilots were intentionally confused with drills about a hijacked airliner on that day, and when they were finally scrambled it was way too late.

Rumsfeld didn't let them off the chain until like 8:30, well after the first plane hit the tower.

>>31880717
>Muh Jew brackets.

>>>/pol/

>>31880767
Quite rightly, there was no clear indication of what exactly was going on. Would you have been happy if they splashed every errant airliner that day?

I don't get it. Russian air defenses are shit because they don't shoot down every quadcopter in their airspace? You do realize the "intelligence" on that video is worth 5 minutes in google maps?

>>31880840
Google maps isn't live

>>31880762
What is the difference? Also
>unpreventable
What is ATC?

Airspace is constantly monitored, especially around areas with major traffic. Commercial airliners are flying according to a submitted flight plan, any deviation from said planned route is known of.

I live in a small and globally irrelevant country, but even here if an airliner goes off it's course, or just loses comms with ATC, interceptors are sent up immediately.

>Muh strongest military in the world
Can't even stop goatfuckers flying an airliner right into the Pentagon.

>>31880745
Except they did notice

They just didn't shoot it down

>>31880850
I can guarantee whatever shithole you're from can't intercept an airline within half an hour of it going off its course.

>>31880762
How was the Cessna incident terrorism? Go eat a bag of dicks.

>>31880891
Different anon, but I honestly would expect them to be able to. Procedures and readiness has changed quite a bit since 9/11. Used to be hijackers would land the planes instead of flying them into buildings.

>>31880717
>Sister Peremohy is a Ukrainian volunteer fund

No surprise they would make such retarded video. Any soldier working in these bases can take pictures with their cellphones and post it in internet. It's not some secret facility where Ukrainian babies are used as experiments.

>>31880891

Top kek
Burger in full damage control.

I happen to know numerous fighter pilots, and am sort of an insider in our military aviation.

Airliners have to contact the regional control before they enter the country's airspace. If one fails to do so, interceptors catch him.

I know of no such incidence, in which an unidentified plane reached and passed our border without fighter escort.

>>31880745
>>31880762
>>31880767
the US literally intentionally did let the airplanes pass on 9/11 tho

>>31880984
Same thing in Finland. The Russians have marked military planes as civilian ones and they all get intercepted. Takes a few minutes at minimum to get Hornets in the air.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8GifZ0g2MQ

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>>31880984
>I happen to know numerous fighter pilots, and am sort of an insider in our military aviation.

Yeah, and my dad works at Nintendo too

>>31880984
>I happen to know numerous fighter pilots, and am sort of an insider in our military aviation.

You're nobody though. Prove it or you've no point.

>>31880988
Oh course they did dear

Back off to /x/ with you

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>>31880745
>below radar
>5k ft is """below radar"""

>>31881006

I don't have to prove you anything, it's up to you to ignore facts or believe me.

>>31881027
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l47D5ISemds

>>31881037
You don't have any facts. Because you're saying something doesn't make it a fact.

>Flight 11 reported hijacked at 08:19
>US military is notified at 08:34
>F-15's scramble at 08:46
>Tower was hit at 08:46

Whoever thinks something could have been done in this time frame has no fucking clue how the real world works.

>>31880717
judging by how the camera move, this is a drone, and looking by the base it fly over, those are litteraly bundle of brick house probably dated from 1960 or WW2.

same happened in france, dozen of drones manage to get inside NPP airspace, and greenpeace even manage to land people inside the NPP

>>31881037
>it's up to you to ignore facts

>Because I say something, it's a fact!

Jesus Christ

>>31880800

500 Lives > 3000 lives + the thousands who died of cancer after

I'd have gladly let them sidewinder every plane in the NY Tri-state area

That's a moot point though since it was intentionally allowed to happen.

>>31881019
I'm not going to post Facebook profiles of five pilots and a ground crew chief engineer.

>>31881065
>>31881083

How can you be so dense? Sorry, I forgot incident reports and the words of pilots are now considered bullshit.

>>31881096
>That's a moot point though since it was intentionally allowed to happen.

Imagine they had shot down all 4 planes. what's that? some 500 dead passenger? the fallout and backlash against bush making that decision would have been massive. the bleeding hearts would have gone on about such drastic measures not having been necessary. They would allege the hijackers could have been reasoned with and talked out of doing anybody any harm to this day. it's what usually happens when police use deadly force too. when that nigger with an axe attacked police and was put down in Germany this year they did exactly that, blame the cop. and don't forget the families filing suits against the .gov. I think letting happen was more politically expedient than shooting them down would have been.

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>>31880717
Hohol thread about Russia.

>>31881034
Depending where and how radars are positioned, it could be.

However, I refuse to believe that the Cessna was never picked up on radar. The radar operators probably thought it was an An-2 or some other small prop aircraft doing allowed stuff, only to have it fly into Moscow.

>>31880717
>little prop plane that could be launched from nearly any airfield/road in Russia
>btfo
>meanwhile 3 airliners get hijacked by jihadis and flown into high value targets
>reports were they knew it was happening and were scrambling but couldn't respond in time
>meanwhile every other nation in the world manages to deal with this shit from Russia and China on a weekly basis

>>31880984
Hint to the troll: you need to diversify your dictionary, primitive faggot. The exquisitely narrow and poor selection of derogatory words pegs you right in the mephitic hole where you, the offspring of a goat and butthurt that you are, rightfully belong.

>>31881117
>I'm not going to post Facebook profiles of five pilots and a ground crew chief engineer.
Why not? They decided to give it to Facebook^WNSA already, what's the problem?

>incident reports
Show me the money. If you are so close to aviation as you claim, then you must know where exactly all incident reports go (oh, and btw, they're public information, too).

Or GTFO.

>>31880717
Honestly, this is pretty impressive. Imagine if you slap on the drone just small pack of C4. And then fly it to Russian base and detonate it over fuel depot.
I surprised why Ukrainians not doing it right now.

>>31881786
Knowing where shit is is more important than blowing it up.

I wonder who is a dickhead that decided to make this information public - that's a serious OPSEC violation, disclosing your capabilities. Also wonder how many Ukrainian recon groups are in Crimea now - they'd be practically indistinguishable from local population and to some extent even visiting Russian troops, and given the general chaos, apathy and fear, nobody will question yet another group of camo wearing men with weapons.

>>31881830
Those guys, who operating the drone, is one of the numerous nationalist volunteer organisations. They most likely not connected to Ukrainian military at all.
And about Ukrainian recon groups, you may be surprised, but any Ukrainians citizen can enter Crimea right now, they only need promotion to visit occupied territory from authorities.

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>>31881786
>terrorists pls go away

>>31881925
>enter Crimea
That I have no doubt about. The question is, can they exit, or they'll disappear without a trace?

So, why wasn't this shot down?

>>31882049
6D chess.

>>31881966
Well, who know. Like not so long ago Russians arrest Ukrainian guy in Crimea for espionage. Ukraine denies everything, but apparently that guy serve in Donbass in volontier battalion and then go on vacation to Crimea.
But as I said, not all nationalist organisations cooperate with authorities in Kiev, many of the operate on their own.

>>31881721

At least I bothered to learn a foreign language.

>>31882119
I bothered to learn five, how does it make better than you or the other way around?

Now that you've learned another language, why don't you use it for something constructive instead of wasting everyone's oxygen?

>>31882109
>operate on their own
doing what exactly?

>>31882330
Well, a lot of stuff. Like Crimea blockade was at first organized by nationalists and Crimean Tatars volunteer battalion.
They also take down electricity pylons leaving entire Crimea without power.
They track down pro-russian activists.
And they constantly harassing Russian troops in Donbass.
They do a lot of thing which Kiev didn't have balls to do. I hope you understand me.

>>31882319

I only made it to three. Whatcha' got m8?

Also, calling people with different views trolls won't make you right. You know absolutely nothing about the capabilities of my country's military aviation, therefore your claim to call bullshit without any counterargument on the information I disclosed is invalid.

>>31882409
>understand
Of course. Kiev's not the only one who has no balls left.

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>>31880717
And Hillary tries to blame Russia for the greatest hacker attack on the NSA...

>>31881518
>too fucking lazy to google it
>doesn't know that the soviets were so incompetent that they did nothing, even allowing it to land for a while before taking it into the air again

Soviet """""""""""""""""""""""air defense"""""""""""""""""""""" at its finest

>>31882421
>three
If those three are Russian, Ukrainian, and English, then two of them are native for you. English is commendable, but nothing to write home about, that's a minimum requirement for an intelligent Internet dweller today.

>Whatcha' got m8?
I'm not telling. You see how easy it is to determine which anon is which in a single thread? Add some server logs, and boom! dead. OPSEC, anon.

>calling people with different views trolls won't make you right
You got the rotten tomato not because of your different views. First, you identified yourself using a colloquial word, then you made statements that you still haven't backed up. So, grow a skin and prove me wrong.

>>31882500

No, the languages that I speak are English, German and Russian. My native language is neither of these.

>I'm not telling
So you can call bullshit on me because I didn't , expose the social media profiles of people you don't know. Yet I'm supposed to believe you learned five languages without backing up your claim.

OPSEC works both ways. All my facts are based on oral information told by pilots and by evening news. Yeah my country is small enough that interceptions make it into the news.

What's so unbelievable in that supersonic fighters can not intercept airliners at the border, when they can reach any border within half an hour.

>>31882574

*can intercept.

>>31882574
>supposed to believe you learned five languages
You don't have to. Nor you have to believe I'm a dog.

>information told by pilots and by evening news
You mentioned incident reports before. Source? Hint: looks something like this: http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/index.aspx

>supersonic fighters can not intercept airliners at the border
Correct - for peace time. It takes longer to get the pilot out of the loo, to the plane, get the engines running, clear the flight plan, preflight check, and a zillion little things that all take time. You can only have a fast intercept when the pilot is already sitting in the plane with the engines on - which would be very wasteful on resources and bad for pilot morale, you can't have that all day, only in high alert situations.

>>31882659

Incident report as in news report about the incidents, seems like there was a confusion in this.

>can not intercept airliners at the border
"can not" was a typo. I meant, they can intercept airliners without comms.

We have fighters in rotation 24/7 which are fueled up and armed with live missiles. These planes are waiting right next to the active runway, and can be launched within five minutes IIRC.

>>31880717
Three parentheses are meant to identify something jewish, right? So how is that applicable to Electronic warfare and air defense?

So much 9/11 damage control here.

Standard procedure is to scramble fighters when ANY plane veers off course and doesn't respond to communications.

Yet this didn't happen on 9/11. I wonder why?

Think about it.

How does a plane fly into Pentagon airspace unchallenged? How many overlapping lines of defence must have failed for that to happen?

Keep trusting your overlords. Question nothing.

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>>31881830
They don't need to they have long range rockets and arty. And a hand full of SRBMs left.

>>31881925
>numerous nationalist volunteer organisations.

This. They have huge volunteer drone programs that give the Ukranian army much of its real-time intel. When they fly missions over Donbass they run into alot of Russian Jamming and EW. They do loose a lot of drone but they are making them really cheaply and practically in an assembly line.

I found these pics a few days ago. I'm guessing its just after Debaltseva. You can see the 2S7 craters.

http://uainfo.org/blognews/523358-sanzharovka-ostatki-voennoy-tehniki-i-kosti-soldat-foto.html

There are also pics released by OSCE showing Russian EW complexes in Ukraine. There is also alot of evidence supporting Tor Batteries being used against drones (and possibly aircraft)

>>31881467
I don't understand that mongoloid speak in the captions but that thing is /k/ as fuck.

I think that thing is supposed to have over 3 layers of ERA in the front.

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>>31883263

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Pic of one of those Russian EW stations.

Apparently along with AA fire they shot down all of OSCE's drones.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/10/28/international-monitor-quietly-drops-drone-surveillance-of-ukraine-war/

>>31881117
>Sorry, I forgot incident reports and the words of pilots are now considered bullshit.

Which you haven't produced.

What the fuck aren't you understanding.

>>31883141
>Yet this didn't happen on 9/11. I wonder why?

It did, and you're intentionally ignorant of it. Mystery solved.

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>>31883263
>3 layers of ERA
Very Ukrainian thing to do. How did you know?

>>31883392
One plane successfully intercepted a target only because it ignored orders to stand down.

The other "scrambled" planes were flying around in the wrong direction because they were sent on a wild goose chase.

You're arguing that the most sophisticated military on Earth with multiple redundant air defence systems just forgot to stick to its own protocol.

Are you stupid?

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>>31883402
I read it somewhere a while back when it was under construction. It's basically a T-64 with a crap ton of armor and ERA bolted on it and turned into a APC. If I remember correctly they wanted it to be Tank/ATGM proof. Even the sides have 2 or 3 layers of ERA. Supposedly it's the new stuff and not the shitty kind.

>>31881077
Yep, especially when every hijacking up to that point was always a hostage situation where the passengers were bartered for cash or concessions. It was standard procedure to let the civ plane fly to an airfield for negotiations.

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>>31880717
Does anyone jam civilians UAVs/GPS on regular manner anywhere? Except Kremlin, maybe. White House? Never heard about that.

>>31883263
>mongoloid speak

Underlying insecurity and/or inferiority complex detected lol.

>>31880717
The Soviets and by extent the Russians were always paper tigers.

>>31886390
Well certainly not the white house, considering I was in Washington last weekend giving the relatives a tour, and our GPS worked just fine everywhere in Washington.

>>31884699

This had a lot to do with it. Using airliners as a weapon had not been done before. Terrorists used to hold the passengers hostages and negotiate for political concessions. Making an attack without issuing a list of demands was new for the western world.

>>31880762
>unpreventable

"Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US"

>>31886922
I wouldn't call it mongoloid but not as convenient and easy as english, therefore inferior and impractical but not that.

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>>31880984
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust

>vatnik keep editing the page to say we totally had tracks on him the whole time, er some of the time, well we maybe saw him, we think, maybe...RUSSIA STRONK!

>>31883915
>You're arguing that the most sophisticated military on Earth with multiple redundant air defence systems just forgot to stick to its own protocol.

Except it stuck exactly to protocol. You're just intentionally ignorant, again.

You already tried to tell me that planes weren't scrambled. Now you're saying they were but they didn't "follow protocol". Why are you bullshitting yourself?

>>31883141
It's a big country, and after the Cold War ended, we took a holiday from reality.

So, on 9/11, there were something like a half dozen planes sitting on NORAD hot alert across a country the size of Europe to the Urals. And the radars and command systems that ordered them around were all pointed towards the known threat (north, and to some extent west).

If Putin had decided to fly a Bear around Alaska on 9/11, it would have been intercepted. But hijacked planes turning off their transponders and crashing into buildings? That's straight out of Tom Clancy (see: Debt of Honor).

>>31887147
And it essentially ruined hijacking for concessions in the process; any plane that experiences a hijack attempt from now on will probably see at least the American passengers fight back, and hijackers are typically heavily outnumbered on a plane.

The old PLO strategy from the '70s relied on the passengers being afraid that they would die if they did anything. Now, people are afraid that they will die if they *don't*.

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>>31880850
Confirmed not knowing ATC.

They won't scramble fighters like that. There are certain areas in which they scramble fighters instantly (like near the White House), but it's generally a lengthy processes before they come to the conclusion that the plane has been hijacked.

t. Pilot and parents were ATC's and explain a lot of what happened during 9/11 while they worked TRACON.

>>31883141
>Standard procedure is to scramble fighters when ANY plane veers off course and doesn't respond to communications.
No it's not.

>>31888191
Forgot to add, if this were the case, fighters would be scrambled multiple times a day all over the country.

>>31888174

I based my claims on my own country's protocols. We scramble fighters even before an unidentified aircraft enters our airspace.

>>31886390
Nothing dead reckoning woulnd't fix

>>31888518
When your countries the size of 3 football fields that doesn't take much

>>31887791
Truth be told, Tom Clancy was frighteningly prophetic. Most of things he wrote about in his books have already happened, in this or that form.

Need to re-read them all. Just not the "Tom Clancy and X", those are crap.

>>31883141
>How does a plane fly into Pentagon airspace unchallenged? How many overlapping lines of defence must have failed for that to happen?
You do realize the Pentagon is literally in the middle of a city and like 1-2 miles from Reagan Airport Right? Hell the flight path of half the planes landing at Reagan go right over JBAB.

>>31888518
Then you're not relevant to this situation, are you?