Favorite Russian Imports

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>>31879926

>tfw bought a '74 after the ban.

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>>31879926
>now that the election is pretty much a toss-up, which may even swing in favor of Republicans,

God I wish I could get drunk at noon on a wednesday.

>>31879926
I'd really like a TOZ-123 (civillian KS-23), but they'd probably be destructive devices.

Do you think they'd be exempt if they had sporting purposes.

>>31879926
Would Trump be able to get rid of the VRA?

>>31879942
Trump will win.
Defeatist attitudes will not be tolerated.

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>>31879926

>>31879926

When has trump said anything even remotely related to resuming cheap imports of Slav weapons?

That's like the exact opposite of his protectionist platform, which calls for raising tariffs on foreign goods to protect American goods. If anything Slavshit would get even more expensive under him and ARs would get cheaper.

Good god Republicans continually amaze me with how little they know about their own fucking party platform or candidates.

>>31879926
AN94 and a warehouse full of 7N6 and plum mags

>>31879926
I can just see the KS-23 ad now
>Every day, 6 gorillion children are killed by gun violence in the US
>But Donald Trump wanted to capitalize on the horrific tragedies that plague our nation
>He repealed gun safety laws so that his friend, the Dictator Putin could sell modified anti-aircraft guns to American citizens

>>31879946
never happening, 23mm barrel an destructive device if it did. 23mm shotgun shell gives you alot of freedom for custom ammo

>>31879966
But State Department can exempt guns over .50 if they have sporting purposes, I can see them exempting the.m.

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>>31879942

I was in the same boat as you just a week ago.

This is the LA Times poll that most accurately predicted the last 2 elections.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/constitution-and-second-amendment/

It's like /k/ wrote it. All it needs is some dancing AK and AR .gifs in the background.

>>31879974
i guess it's not a rifle and not an explosive, but then again youve got ONE gun with maybe 1-2 companies making ammo.

would be an excellent birdshot gun

>>31879991
Unfortunately it looks like Dems might get a majority in the Senate, so even if Trump wins if Dems hold a majority then pro-gun stuff ain't going anywhere.

>>31879974
The problem is that I think the KS-23 has a rifled barrel and that might cause some legal fuckery to keep them from being imported since they wouldn't be shotguns.

>>31879926
A VSS and a truck load of mags and subsonic 9 x 39mm

>>31880004

At least we can get a very pro-gun Supreme court. Which honestly is more important than even the president itself.

With Hillary we would have a AWB supported by the highest court in the land.

>>31879926
A Kord and boatload of 12.7 x 108mm and links?

>>31879926
I just want a functioning RPG7. I don't even want to fire it, I just want to make love to it.

Wow imagine a president that won't fuck with gun owners using executive orders every fucking chance he gets.

Fuck Slavshit, I just want my US made milsurp being held up in Korea thanks to Bill.

>>31879958
>hes going to tax the import of foreign guns and ammunition, of which there are practically no domestic manufacturers
He has said he wants a better relationship with russia. Thats good reason to believe sanctions may be removed.

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>not wanting to bring back the Go innawoods, grab SKS meme

Seriously I miss cheap SKSs being around even though I already have 2.

The DNC is in meltdown right now. It's great seeing them cannibalize eachother and cancel their rallies.

Then there are the ones setting themselves up to lose their local races by supporting her still out of pride. Keep trying to polish that radioactive turd, retards.

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It's the simple things...

>>31879926
I honestly don't believe Trump is as progun as most people think, maybe we will get Saigas, Mosins, and other old surplus and sporting rifles from Russia but I doubt he would want to import "scary armor piercing 7n6 machinegun bullets"

>>31880062
Does Russia still have any SKSs left to export?

>>31879926
What is so special about the KS-23? I literally know nothing about it.

>>31880472
23mm is equivalent to 4 Gauge. It's fucking rediculous to the point where you can load a grappling hook into it and shoot it out to a building.

>>31880480
That sounds amazing.

>>31880490
It is. Even though it behaves like a shotgun it's massive enough to be classed as a Carbine by the Russian armed forces.

>>31879958
Slavshit and American guns aren't competing for the same dollars. They might if there was an American made AK or SVD that didn't suck enormous amounts of cock but there isn't.

>>31880512
American AKs are starting to get there. DDI is pretty good and the PSA AK Gen 2 proved itself.

>>31880004
>Unfortunately it looks like Dems might get a majority in the Senate
Nah, the one race I was worried about on that front was New Hampshire, but Trump and Ayotte are both pulling ahead in the Granite State. This is extra good news for the people of New Hampshire since the Dem that Ayotte is beating is their moonbat governor who vetoed Constitutional Carry.
>Trump wins
>Rs keep House and Senate
>one more state added to the Constitutional Carry list

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>>31879926
I like how it looks so much.

>>31880544
Well, if things go well this election then the Hearing Protection Act might become very feasible then.

>>31879966
Except that theres no caliber or gauge restriction on anything smoothbore, being that, by definition, they arent rifles.

>>31880566
Except KS-23 has a bore diameter over .50, If the state department determins they have no sporting purpose then they're destructive devices and barred from import.

Also, KS-23 has a rifled bore.

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>>31879926
How much is a KS, btw?

>>31879958
You need to remember that the importation of luxury goods is not and never will be something he is after.

Considering he owns a Kraut gun.

>>31880559

The balance must be incredible. Especially loaded.

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>>31880559
This is what I would choose as well anon, I fucking love the way it looks. It's almost like the Beretta from Robocop had relations with a Steyr, and had the most tempting jailbait I've ever seen. Must not fap..

>>31880579
Only the Military version is rifled. The civilian TOZ-123 is smoothbore.

>>31880674
Trump owns a kraut gun? Sauce?

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If this happens I'm going to import one of the revolving shotguns and SBR it

I don't care how many tariffs are put into it it will be my CC

>>31879977
>No vertical axis key
>Thanks you cunt
>I'm colourblind

>>31880008
RIDF here.

KS-23 is a military gun with rifled barrel.
TOZ-123 is a civilian hunting gun with smoothbore barrel.

My friend owns TOZ-123. Awesome gun, but he never shot it. No ammo.

>>31880331
Yes, we still have some. They are sold cheap on internal Russian market.

>>31880649

I want pic related

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This thing. Since it's a straight blowback gun in popular calibers, nothing about it is a "military secret", like with 9x39 guns.
it's so damn sexy

>>31879926
>Tfw remember years ago when there would be threads about making cartridges with those tiny 22 short revolvers to fire to your allies behind enemy lines

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this and an OTs-14

>>31879966
>23mm grenade shells

Yes please

>>31879977
>accurately predicted x of the last y elections
I hate this shit
for the last two elections, 1 in 4 studies will have a perfect record
for the last 4 elections, 1 in 16 will be perfectly accurate and significantly more will have a 3/4 record

it's all after the fact confirmation bias
consider a medium who predicts elections
oh wow, she got the last four right, but you don't ever hear (even in the National Inquirer) about the other 15 who didn't

polls are the same way to an extent
yes, they use statistics and math and whatever else to attempt to eliminate biases and improve their predictions, but there are sufficiently many factors that they are still effectively guesses (just like the mediums)

it is for this reason that I don't trust such claims

>>31881851
Last I heard they shut down production altogether so you'd need a hell of a petition to start it back up.

>>31881988
I don't either but early voting shows a significant decrease in enthusiasm amoung Democratic blacks and the bulwark of Hispanic support is actually split down the middle.

It's still going to be a wild ride but even polls that had Trump down by over 15% have him within MOA nationally and even ahead in swing states.

If I were a betting man (and if US citizens were allowed to bet on elections) I'd put money on Trump at this point. Certainly out performed in the primaries, which I'm still kicking myself for not taking advantage of.

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if trump has the power to remove the russian trade ban that means he can also undo alot of other bans as well, would it be possible?

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>>31880579
>no sporting purpose
you can kill a LOT of birds

>>31880512
they most certainly are competing for the same dollars

>>31881988
>for the last two elections, 1 in 4 studies will have a perfect record
>for the last 4 elections, 1 in 16 will be perfectly accurate and significantly more will have a 3/4 record
How are you deriving these figures?

>>31882324
I'm assuming that the studies cannot actually predict and are basically guessing at chance levels

thus 1:2 chance per election chance of getting it right
two elections is 1:4 chance of guessing every one right and 1:8 for three elections and 1:16 for four elections and so on

the actual chance of a study guessing and election is probably better than that because they actually do some real statistics
but that's the most pessimistic view

>>31879964
Underrated post
Anti-gun ads always are fuckin stupid

>>31880846
Can confirm. He said he owns a full size USP

http://m.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2012/nov/14/miller-donald-trumps-guns/

>>31882100
Opening of the US market would kick them back into production

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>>31880722
>>31880559
This
I'd also get around to getting an AK

>>31882544
>ARs sub 500
>AKs also sub 500
WHAT IS THIS TIME LINE

>>31880331
the russian sks has been banned from importation since 1994


and no, russia destroyed all their surplus guns a couple years ago.

tfw no gsh18

>>31881492

Trump is up by 6+%

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as val, because trump better repeal the nfa too.

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>>31879977
Your graph looks a little off. Here, I found an accurate one.

>>31885354
>completely fail to predict the Republican primaries
>completely fail to predict the Cubs surge
>continues to call himself Silver

>>31885354

That's someone's estimated chance. Nate Silver at that who said Trump had a 2% chance of winning the primary.

Mine is an actual tracking poll that is updated daily with actual data.

>>31885354

By Nate Silver numbers that gives Trump about a 400% chance of winning.

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>>31885354
>Nate Silver
>over 99% certain Hillary would win the Michigan primary

>>31880518
>the PSA AK Gen 2 proved itself.

Now if only they'd make more of them.

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>>31885504
>>31885421

don't worry folks, I'll be sure to include your posts in the screenshot, come nov9

>>31885604

Thanks, Nate.

I didn't think it would be so close so I wasn't going to vote, but now that he has a chance I'll give him mine.

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>>31885421
>>31885494
>>31885504
>>31885564
Oh, okay. How about this one?

>>31885777

According to this one, Clinton lost 60+ electoral votes in just 5 days.

Trump surge isn't slowing down either. Notice how Hillary is pushing the same stuff they tried using months ago? They're out of fresh ammo.

Trump is the cleanest candidate ever and they're melting down trying to hold off his gains before election day.

Semi auto AA12?
newer model vepr hunter with the hnnnnnnng wood furniture.

>>31885421
CUBS CHOCKING LOLOLOLOL

>>31885818
>Trump is the cleanest candidate ever
I dunno if a child rapist can really count as the "cleanest candidate ever."

>>31885969

"accused"

Meanwhile I'm going to accuse Hillary of being a child rapist. So they're even.

>>31885991
>B-but Donnie hasn't been convicted yet! Benghazi! Emails! She was never found guilty of anything but THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT!
Fuck, you guys are stupid. Donnie is going to prison. No amount of memes will stop that.

>>31886017

You're trying too hard m8.

>>31882187
>I WANT TO BELIEVE

>>31885969
This poster raped me when I was 12.
Press conference tomorrow.

>>31879926
>cntrl +f
>SVD no results found.
Fags

>>31879966
Wait I thunk 8gauge was legal for goose hunting?

>>31886145
>ATF
>making sense

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>>31880004
Just throw a bunch of the dem senators in jail. Hillary and Obama are going down on Rico charges. I'm sure a shitload of senators are guilty too.

>>31881129
the fuck is this
the fuck is that

>>31880500
It's designated a carbine because of the rifled barrel not because of its size you tard

>>31886177
Five shot revolving shotgun, though this one is supposed to fire non lethal rounds.

Surprised no one else makes one, more compact and reliable than a mag fed, more capacity than a sawed off pump gun and faster firing.

Trigger pull probably doesn't feel great but this has truck gun written all over it.

>>31886190
We've gone over this, the civilian Toz is smoothbore.

>>31885494
>>31885504
>>31885564

for the love of fuck guys. don't slide the retard /pol/ can't math memes into /k/. I would think guys who can actually into guns can read a little math. a guy shooting the shit in a tweet or blog post doesn't make its data and analysis invalid. 538 does great work, so does Real Clear and Predictiwse. (and to a lesser extent Bing Predicts)

>>31881630
I reckon I could turn some brass if I had one.

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>>31886487

They only do as well as the polls they average out, which are usually filled with oversampling and other polling errors this year. Check the methodology from the polls they rely on and you'll see.

Here's an example of one at the local level here.

>>31880649
A civilian version of the KS-23 was imported in very limited numbers.
It costs about $1,500 on the resale market and the ammo is pretty prohibitive.

I just want SVDs and x54r again.

>>31886566
>oversampling

You keep using that word...

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I was going to vote Trump but then some guy on the internet told me he said mean words so now I'm going to give up my gun rights.

>>31887225

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it considered oversampling if you're getting poll results based on very skewed data that hasn't been adjusted?

>>31886487
>538 does great
>routinely failed to predict almost any of the Republican primary results
And the Cubs lost, it's a toss up but Silver is a goofball who let's personal bias creep into his adjusted numbers

>>31887297
Cubs won you retard.

>>31887313

Nate said that they had "less of a chance of winning than Trump"

>>31887239
wtf i hate trump now

>>31887247
Literally every single reputable poll out there weights responses based on the pollster's predicted likely voter model. All oversampling does is give you greater accuracy when polling small subgroups.

Say you have a poll of 1,000 people and your likely voter model predicts that African Americans will make up 5% of the vote on election day. Now by default you would poll 50 African Americans and weight their responses by a factor of 1 (i.e. no weighting). The problem that arises is that 50 responses may not give you a particularly accurate take on what a voting block of millions is going to do on election day, which is where oversampling comes in.

What oversampling means is that the percentage of African Americans you poll is more than the predicted 5%, either intentionally for better accuracy or in the natural process of polling a random group. Where the conspiracy theorists go wrong is in assuming that this oversampled group is not then weighted to correct for the greater number of people polled. Using the above example, say you polled 100 African Americans in your survey of 1,000 people, you would weight their responses by 0.5 to match your likely voter model of 5%.

Obviously this is a simplified description of the process. In reality you are weighting a number of different subgroups, and a single individual may fall into multiple ones. The math is complex, but the results are sound.

There is slightly more credibility in questioning the likely voter models, which are generally somewhat subjective based on what kind of turnout a given pollster expects to see from an electorate, but it's still probably better to believe professional pollsters who have been doing this for decades than some dingus on the internet and his unsubstantiated theories about voter turnout.

>>31886234
And the civilian one isn't designated a carbine.

my list:

That .357 break-top revolver i cant remember the name of

VSS. on my bucket list.

cheap AK-74

SVD thats not $500 too much

$250 SKS

M1 Garand from that Worst Korean cache obama blocked.


im a man of simple tastes, but hate overpriced stuff.

Would love an AK107 in semi auto only

Ammo imports. That is all.

>>31879926
Gonna go for a vepr12 first, then see if I can get my hands on a AK-74, unless SVDs start being imported. In which case, the SVD is my first priority

>>31887239
Trump is the new Reagan. Anti gun his entire life then switches parties and claims to have seen the light. Same with his stance on Clinton, Obama, abortion, etc. But if he gets into office what do you think he'll do? What he's always supported or what the piece of paper that he wrote down his "new beliefs" on? Voting for Trump over Hillary because of gun rights seems pretty stupid especially since Obama has been a decent gunbro.

>>31889730

You're right I'll just vote for Hillary Instead who says outright she wants to take our guns instead of the guy whose sons are more pro-gun than /k/.

>Obama has been a decent gunbro
What? He did everything he could to push an assault weapons ban after Sandy Hook but we were saved by a conservative congress.

You're some kind of special paranoid where up is down and left is right.

>>31889730
The only reason Obama failed at any gun legislation is purely because he blew his congress hold for his first two years, and had been stonewalled ever since. And there is definitely not a lack of trying on his part to make the life of a gun owner difficult.

With Trump, there is a chance. With Hillary, there is NO chance.

>>31889835
Not to mention the underhanded fast and furious intended to sway public opinion. Obongo had certainly made attempts.

>>31889916
Maybe I should join a mexican drug cartel. Then I could get some nice funs, possible with giggle switches as well.

>>31886017
So now that CTR is breaking down, how many of you are left?