/akg/ AK General

>>31866746
Let's see if it's working today.

>AK Buyer's Guide ver 1.2

https://ghostbin.com/paste/py877

im submitting this entire thread to /r/cringe

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What kind of muzzle brake should I get to replace this stupid barrel nut? I want to still be able to attach the bayo.

>>31866784
Replying to quad post.
How much did that plum rpk mag run you if you don't mind me asking

>>31866903
Non us made slant

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>>31866917
>the lightest option
bretty gud

>>31866917
Whats wrong with a US made slant?
Other then not being legit. Its kinda hard to fuck up something so simple.

>>31866953
7.62 slant or nothing

>>31866972
Sometimes they don't fit the bayo

>>31867011
I was unaware, I havent had that problem yet though.

>>31867011
The hell kind of half-assed shops are people running that they can't make a simple slant muzzle brake properly? Is cutting every corner possible just what it takes to compete with combloc surplus prices?

>>31867159
half assed, tough to compete with $5 surplus part inb4 922r

>>31867159
The ones from ak builder. They don't make the cut wide enough. I have an izhmash bayo. Had to buy russian brake

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Arsenal's AK47-type bayonet is pretty nice btw.

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>>31866909
I paid 159$ for mine but i really liked the color on this mag.

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>>31867620
m8 that's a bit ridiculous u know

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>>31866903

Tapco one works damn well.

>>31867386
is dat a c39v2 or ddi

>>31866903
Tapco RPK flash suppressor/"T81" copy. Good flash suppression, tiny, weighs almost nothing, bayonets fit over it, it looks like an authentic Combloc design because it really is one.

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>>31867643
Yup, i know. Love the mag tho.

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>>31867677
Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder

>unless you're a poor fuck

If only I could have the problems you have, I keep accidentally buying neat furniture instead of mags like a good boy

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>>31866903
>>31867675

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>>31867690
Ya mags are kinda important.

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get ur free PKM
>>31867493
>>31867493

>>31867710
I'm a sucker for pretty things and good deals. At least my RPK ones have a high chance of being completed soon. I wish there was a place to do the same thing with FAL ones, thermold is apparently not the way to go

>>31867657
whats the tape on the grip for

>>31867763

Fill in some gap's and make the grip feel better.

>>31867820
why didnt you use black electrical tape to make it match?

>>31867820
Im ashamed you didnt use pakitape

>>31867828
Only had blue because the black was all used up on my work belt.

>>31867705
Aren't those pretty terrible at compensation though?

>>31867856
Not him but Ive never heard of this shit before.
It looks really cool. Does it actually stick and not fall off constantly cause I may get some just to be a faggot with a rainbow AK

>>31867905
It's not a brake of any kind, no. Just a flash reducer.

It's an AK. It's only 7.62x39mm. Why would you need to reduce recoil that is already almost nothing at all? On the other hand, in this caliber muzzle flash is a real problem, at least if you are contemplating the AK as a home defense/SHTF rifle and not just a range toy.

>>31867908
Well all the sandpeople in Afghan had it on their rifles along with some other gaudy looking stickers and chains and shit. Doesn't look like it would come off easy. I'm thinking about getting one to recreate some of the AKs I saw over there.

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>>31867908
The true Paki tape is most halal!

Paki made, get you laid, bro!

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Serious question here guys, not even trolling.

What is wrong with you all? Why do you like such shitty outdated guns? Why the hell would you want one over and AR or Sig or HK etc?

>>31867978
You dont like the same guns I like
REEEEEEEEEE

AK are not outdated, I really dont understand that meme. None of the scary salt rifles can really be considered outdated. Not even the STG44 hence why its coming back and will kill sandpeople just as easily as your AR

>>31867905
If you genuinely need recoil reduction, TTAG tested a number of muzzle devices on an AK a while back:

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/12/chris-dumm/ak-muzzle-device-test-part-1-recoil-reduction/

It wasn't one of those exhaustive writeups, like when some web pages test 40+ flash suppressors at a time on an AR. But there's some information there.

And AKOU sometimes tests muzzle devices:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHUst1Ivzlo

But if you want to be able to mount a bayonet over it, this limits your choices a lot. The really effective muzzle brakes tend to be ginormous things. They are also as a general rule extremely obnoxious for other shooters nearby at the range, due to concussion--which is bad for real-world defensive use too, if you should ever find yourself sharing a two-man slit trench with a guy who's having trouble shooting straight because your muzzle brake deafened him and set his hair on fire.

>>31867978

Because I like it. Feels better to me. Also during election and other scares 7.62x39 rarely gets affected.

And also because it performs better in forested and urban areas which I'm around since if shit happens I will tend to stay away from plains.

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>>31867978
I believe you are trolling, but I'll entertain you because I am bored. I liken cars to guns in that they have many common aspects in terms to their use in society as well as a cultural impact on that society. Cars and guns are both machines with a purpose, but have enthusiast followings who study the history, intricacies and design flaws and attributes to different examples of each. Like cars, there are those who feel they are tools for a job alone, and their involvement or enthusiasm for their weapon of choice doesn't extend beyond its use as such. And then there are die-hard loyalists for whatever reason be it experience based, political or cultural that they choose a particular weapon and don't care for others as much. I love the ak rifle personally for a combination of reasons, most stemming from symbology and historical significance. The AK is a rifle that is associated with the underdog. It was not conventional at the time of its design, but it is and always has been a symbol of rebellion, revolution, and has an almost unquestionable reputation as one of the most robust small arms made. On the contrary, the AR to me represents the establishment and it's corruption, thus why it was rushed into production by beurocrats looking to make a buck for their Armalite buddies, which cost tens of thousands of enlisted men their lives. Then ask yourself this: how many AR rifles are on the flags of countries? In short, the AK gives me feels I don't understand, man. Feels like pop pop, like chop chop, this bitch just never jams.

>>31867978
>piston driven AKs are outdated and shitty
>so you need an AR
>oh, wait, you want the latest and greatest, so modernize your AR with this gas piston system
>that the AK has had for 70 years
>no, wait, get an HK
>only they don't make the rollerlocked HK rifles any more
>the "modern" HKs are a copy of a fifty-year-old Eugene Stoner design, in a plastic receiver that melts if you dump more than two mags in five minutes
>no, get a SIG
>only the only SIGs available for Amerifats are the Exeter, NH SIGs produced as cheaply as possible out of the cheapest materials possible with zero quality control, because new SIG CEO Seth Cohen decided quality control was a cost sink
>so the SIG556R looks pretty in pictures but most of them don't actually run worth a shit
>because making them better would cost money
>this was also, alert readers may notice, Mr. Cohen's policy when he was CEO of Kimber

sounds legit.

Or maybe I will stick with a proven platform, with usable, stockpilable ammo available at 22 cents a round in bulk. I know what my weapon is capable of, what I am capable of, and I know my irons are zeroed. How about yours?

AK eats lacquered cases like nothing, da? Extra cleaning required?
Can Brown Bear labeled "non-corrosive" be trusted these days or is it still a lie?

>>31867989
Yeah the standard today is optics, rails, light weight design etc. AK fails at most of that though. The receiver flexes when you shoot it too making it less accurate right?
>>31868036
The reliability and ammo are strong points of this gun no doubt. The AR now has 300 ngr though and frankly can function in terrible circumstances with no maintenance.
>>31868041
Meh so its an edge lord rifle used by people who never invented the wheel to kill other melanins and slaughter endangered animals? Lol the west is the aggressor? So seriously how do you feel about the Galil then?
>>31868047
Okay this is a great point. I love the SCAR and hate the HK416/417. You're right basically. So then buy a SCAR which is an all around better weapon. Get a SCAR 16 or another rifle like the CZ Bren. Literally no reason to buy an AK.

>>31868083
AKs, particularly with chrome-lined chambers are more tolerant of foreign matter, such as lacquer residue, in the chamber than most competing designs.

That having been said, if you've got the time and a chamber brush, cleaning the chamber harms nothing at all and might help keep the rifle running if a batch of ammo is dirtier than anticipated.

I treat all Russian ammo as at least potentially corrosive, and clean as soon as practical after shooting. Supposedly there was a batch of 7.62x39mm from Ukraine in 2012 or 2013 that had corrosive primers.

The rule of thumb for Russian ammo used to be, brass colored primers are noncorrosive. Russian milspec primers use a blackened primer cup material, supposedly to make them visually distinguishable at the plant.

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So guys I went out shooting today and ran probably about 120 rounds through my WASR and I found that no matter how i adjusted my iron sights (no optic) that i was pulling the the left pretty hard. I would hit dead center if i aimed at the right side of the target. I don't think its mechanical and i believe its my fault. What could be happening that would cause that?

>>31868102
>receiver flexes when you shoot it
Brace yourself for butthurt stamped owners

>>31868114
Is the front sight base canted? From what you are describing I'm imaging a front sight base leaning to the right, or a rear sight base canted to the left.

>>31868114
You bought a defective WASR.


I'll give you $300 for it, I just bump-fire anyways.

>>31868126
I had 2 high end AK's, a Vector and a M92 Pap. I loved them both. When I saw that shit I sold them both. It sucks but I frankly don't want to stockpile another caliber at this point for a weapon system thats older, and too heavy.

>>31867978
>>31868102
>>31868126
We don't come and shit in your threads. Why do you come here and shit in ours?

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>>31868102
The Galil is a great update of the AK and is well regarded as the best example of an AK. But regardless, it's you who are the edge lord. I don't believe any particular rifle represents the values of its country completely, nor do I think great weapons automatically mean they come from great countries with great leadership, we of course know how many people died under the Soviet Union and its satellite nations. But as you failed to acknowledge my point, the AK is an underdog rifle, and I always like the underdog, most Americans do. And I don't always feel the west is an aggressor though it's been so for well over 30 years. A better Western arm than the AR would be the FN FAL, but as I said earlier, the politicians in the US were so fucked they refuse to adopt it, costing many young men their lives.

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>>31868129
I don't think so but maybe I'm just not seeing it

>>31868156
Put the rifle upside down on a flat surface. Does it sit straight and level on the rear sight leaf and the front sight protective hood, or does it wobble?

Otherwise it could be a problem with technique. Does this happen with other rifles?

Do you have a front sight adjustment tool? It may be that the front sight post needs to get pushed to the left a bit.

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>tfw waiting for Russian friend to ship my PK06 and Alpha rail
This is killing me.

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>>31867978
Personally, I think AKs are way more fun to shoot. If I can borrow the car analogy from >>31868041, ARs feel like I'm driving a Toyota Camry. It does what it needs to do and does it well, but it's not very interesting. Almost clinically boring, in fact. An AK is like an old muscle car. Yeah, it's loud, crudely simple, and the design is old, but that's part of the appeal. That's what makes it more fun to drive. Plus, everyone has a Toyota. I don't give a shit when I see one in a parking lot. But if I see, say, a '67 Mustang bombing down the street, then you have my attention.

>>31866903
None you stupid faggot

>>31868172
It wobbles but a very small amount. The left side of the top two posts was sitting above the table by a tiny bit.

I do have a front sight adjustment tool and even when i pushed it around I still found that the shot were landing left.

I may just have to get an optic

>>31868216
You've got a canted front sight base. A gunsmith can fix it by pushing out the pins, moving the sight base to be square, moving the front sight base 1/8" forward or so, and redrilling and repinning. Or you can use the front sight pusher. If your shots are hitting to the left of your point of aim then you need to move the front sight post from the right side to the left. Supposedly the threads on the front sight and the threads on the pusher are for approximately 2 mrad/revolution, or between 7" and 8" at 100 yards for each complete turn.

To rough zero an AK, the 300m setting on the rear sight should be exactly dead on at 14 meters, or 50 feet. The 200m battle sight setting should be dead on at 20 meters, or 22 yards, or 66 feet. Start close and move out further. The 500m setting should be dead on at 7 yards. Get it to shoot straight there and then when you move back to 50 feet/300m it should be at least very, very close. Verify again at 20m/66 feet. Last verification step, if you have a 100m range at which to test, at 100m (call it 109 yards) with the rear sight set at 300m it should hit almost exactly 25cm (a very tiny bit less than 10") above point of aim. The Russian military considered this good enough.

>>31868151
>AK is an underdog rifle
not really though
its more like a 'the people who use it are completely disposable' rifle
Even so its completely fucking retarded to trust your life to something that is ideological and not function based.

If the galil was so great why didn't they utilize it more? Its shit, and no one likes it outside of fanboys because it has consistent mechanical issues.

I can get a DSA RPD for $2200 out the door from my dealer. Is it worth it? I own several guns in 7.62x39 so ammo commonality is a plus, also it can mount to my vehicle easily.

I'm kind of a sucker for slavshit

>>31868311
>Semi auto RPD

Only worth it if you already have every single variant of every piece of slavshit ever made.
Get an RPK and some nice drums if you don't already have one of those.

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>>31868350
I have decent amount of slavshit

>>31868311
Hey BT, got a throwaway?
Wanna shoot you a link you might be interested in.
>t. the fag who constantly fucked with you about the plum furniture

>>31868247

25m on the 1 setting is the current russian zero method.

>>31867620
We all have that one that we paid out the ass for

>>31868440
25m on the 1 setting or on the battlesight zero shelf at the rear of the rear sight base? In 5.45x39mm battlesight zero should be 25m for a 250m zero, 400m setting to be 25cm high at 100m instead of using the 300m setting, etc.

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>>31868202
how much does that rifle weigh?

>>31867658
DDI

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>>31868352

Hey guys, dumb question here
How long are AK pistol barrels?
How can i make the barrel rifle length?
How hard is it to put a stock on a ak pistol?

>>31869526
Nice try ATF

>>31869548
No but seriously, i know you can put a long ass flash hider on an AR, can you do the same thing with an AK or do you have to get a faux suppressor?

>>31869591
Yes but it also must be welded in place. Once the barrel is 16in, you can add a stock.

>>31869615
Ah, thanks
>there goes the "rifle on the streets, SBR in the sheets" dream

>>31869643
Why would you want an SBR in the sheets?

>>31869591
Why would you do something retarded like that anyways

>>31869674
Its just a phrase, i could hypothetically take it hunting on my property in a SBR config
>>31869680
Cause i can

>>31869705
Oh I see, valid reason for an illegal SBR shall not

>>31869726
>>31869726
Yea its easier with an AR, just mix and match lower and upper, thought i could do that with an AK, oh well

What's an average price to expect for a PSO type scope? I recall like 200 or so but I haven't looked in a while

>>31869812
It used to be 100 for a surplus romanian, closer to 300 now.
The new ones kalinka sells have usually always been 300-400-ish IIRC.

>>31869819
I'm looking for a Russian one hopefully, Belarus at the lowest

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Alright /akg/ quick question i have a naked muzzle SAR-2 (pic related) and i want to attach a 22mm thread adapter, Jmac customs sells them for 5 bucks which is nice, i know my outer bore diameter is .508 which is a common size, my question is; is it possible to tap on this thread adapter or hammer it on rather than using a press? i dont really like the idea of dropping 130 bucks on a press im going to use one time, i might get one after college nut for now it just doesnt make alot of sense? thanks in advance.

>>31868436
Negative but I can get you one this week. Out of town for a few days.

>>31869526
Pin and weld a fake suppressor or super long flash hider. Bonesteel and stormwerkz make AK pistol specific stocks where all you've got to do is drill a hole in the rear of the pistol and the stock just gets bolted on.

>>31869224
Haven't weighed it, but I suspect around "too damn many" lbs.

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Daewooguy, this is the plum stuff I'm selling/trading. I bought it off the files, the original owner said he had cut the stock a little bit to fit his saiga which you can see in the pictures. I'm not sure if that's bullshit, I just bought the package for the handguards and grips. The 2 grips on the inside are US made shiny and matte plum, the outer one is russian. It's dark and shiny with good flecks, although a little scuffed.

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>>31870144

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Santa with a M76

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Has arsenal unfucked their production at this point?

I'm buying an SLR104 soon and I'd like to make sure it was made after they resolved their old problems

Also, I bought 5 bulgarian polymer mags for $25/each from a buddy, should I buy more at this price? (Circle 10s/21s), or are they out there for less?

>>31870490
If they're in good condition and feed properly, that's a good price. Great deal if they're NIB

>>31870490
That's a pretty good price for milspec Bulgarian mags

I wouldn't really worry about buying an Arsenal, if it has problems just make a fuss on social media if they try and deny warranty work

>>31870517
They've definitely seen some use.
Spring/Follower are in good shape, no rust, they don't squeak or rattle. They load fine
But desu I bought the mags ahead of the rifle because I didn't have the money until recently to dump into a decent AK, so we'll see how they fit/feed

>>31869953
Probably the easiest way to do this is to take off the AKM style front sight base you've got there and stick on an AK74 type that's threaded 22mm.

.508" isn't enough metal left to tap at 14mm, you'd have to do it 1/2"x28 anyway.

>>31868293
ideological outdated 80s tech reporting
http://youtu.be/hTFu1ns-fJ4
>the operator said this was no mistake
>operator this an emergency

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>>31870664

>>31867978
you don't like wood?

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Almost picked up a Rasheed carbine locally two days back to go with my Maadi but ultimately decided against it because he wouldn't budge on his slightly high price and if I did buy it I'd also need to buy a Hakim and I just don't want to spend the money right now. The big three of Egyptian guns would be really cool though.

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>>31866746
I paid 50$ and 35$ for the mag, how much did I over pay?

I also got 3 IMI mags for 30$, they seem pretty good. Anyone else ever use these?

>>31870677
hot

>>31870812
if you did that I'd probably die of jealousy

>>31866763
You forgot to add sites for ammo.

>>31870812
Well, if you got a Hakim you'd have to start handloading for it, 8x57mm these days being not exactly easy to find, and much of what's out there is surplus MG ammo in lacquered steel cases. You'd need brass cases, projos... and I am not sure we can 100% assume that a gas operated rifle like the Hakim needs powder with a burning rate similar to IMR4895, like the Garand does, for its gas system to work properly, but that'd be where I'd start. Does anyone even make a 154gr .323" FMJ to duplicate service light ball for rifles any more? Can a Hakim feed softnose hunting bullets? I don't know.

>>31868114
Either you need to sight your irons in better, the front sight is too canted to be zeroed(if you have to eye bank it to see the cant it's fine), or your flinching/jerking the trigger a lot.

>>31871023
Nigga you can buy brass cased 8mm Mauser online all day long. If the powder charge is too hot then you can pull the bullets and work up your own powder charge.

>>31868436
remembered my throwaway.
[email protected]

>>31871052
Not him but isn't it all surplus?

>>31868205
>Old mustang lover
Mein comrade.

>>31871077
What isn't surplus is current production US commercial, which is loaded to .30/30 pressures and velocities. It's a light load with round-nosed softpoint bullets and it's made so that people won't blow up Great-Grandpa's 1888 Commission Rifle that had the .318" bore. I would not bet my life on it cycling a semiauto, or feeding.

>>31871077
Is your google broken?

http://bulkammunition.net/sellier-amp-bellot-v331762u-rimmed-8x57mm-jr-soft-point-196-gr-400-rounds.html

>>31867978
You know, it is possible to enjoy shooting things that aren't the very latest thing. I happen to like shooting blackpowder cap-and-ball revolvers, even though they are "shitty outdated guns."

>>31871109
Nobody is betting their life on a Hakim goddamn you're a stupid faggot

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>>31871023
No issue for me though, I sold my Mausers a few years back but kept all my 7.92x57. I'm still sitting on like 1800 rounds of Turk surplus (not sure how it would work with a semi auto but whatever) and about 300 rounds of new production PPU which is still fairly easy to get a hold of online.

>>31871077
Not at all, new production 7.92x57 is easily available online. It isn't necessarily affordable anymore but at least it's easy to get.

>>31871122
Ah, I see day/k/are has let out again.

Isn't it a little early for you to be on Mommy's computer? Did she come to school to pick you up early today, or something?

If you don't grasp how fucking annoying it is to try to shoot a semiauto rifle with ammo not made to proper specs for it to work as designed, then I don't think I can explain what the grownups are talking about here.

Perhaps you should take your cancer and go back to /b/.

>>31871143
>rotated pic
Stupid phone

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Hey /akg/, I just moved to a free state and within a month or so I want to buy my first AK.

I've always thought Rick's AK on TWD was aesthetic as fuck and I wanted to reproduce it using this kit. http://www.russiansurplus.net/product_p/ak74-plum-hg-pg.htm
What AK should I buy to attach it to? Budget is around $700 for the gun and I would like something new production. DDI? WASR? Something else?

>>31871177
>TWD
Kill la kill yourself

>>31871150
You're a fag.

>>31871205
Yeah its a garbage show especially in terns of the gun handling and knowledge but theres no nice as fuck guns that pop up there sometimes.

>>31871177
$700 for a DDI is rare, they are going for about $800 typically online. Best bet for +/- $700 is wasr,new production. Blonde wood, serial number should end in "-15" to signify it was made in 2015 or later. Check for usual stuff, good rivets, cant, etc.

So I was on KVAR looking at Arsenals and I noticed that among their milled rifles there are two varieties, the milled and the milled and forged, whats the difference aside from $200?

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Wtf is going on look at @potus twitter account

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What's a reasonable price for a chinese style romanian drum mag?

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>>31871318
I paid $80 for mine. I've heard they've gone as low as $70 recently

>>31871301
Great, more "Russian" hackers to give us more reasons to go to war.

>>31871364
Where did you get yours from?

>>31871407
Sportsmans guide. There was a code for free shipping a while ago on slick guns
https://www.slickguns.com/product/ak-47-75-rd-drum-mag-180200?mobile=true
I don't know if it still works

>>31871318
Seconding, but looking for a good deal on a top loading drum. I have a rear loader and it's ok; only paid $50 for it

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>>31868146
>m92 PAP
>high end

Anyone take the bait on the AKT-E trigger?

>>31870044
>Negative but I can get you one this week.
As long as it's before the 5th.
It's somewhat time sensitive.

>>31871675
See
>>31871072
I remembered my password.

I just gave some surplus steel mags the ol' mineral spirits dunkaroo. Should I bother lubricating them after they dry?

>>31871777
Yes. Without the cosmoline there isn't anything keeping rust from developing on bare metal parts

>>31866815
Enjoy your downboats

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>>31867978
But I like both anon...what don't you?

>>31871690
Yeah, I'm retarded.
Saw it, and email sent.
Let me know what you think.

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>>31870144
>the original owner said he had cut the stock a little bit to fit his saiga which you can see in the pictures. I'm not sure if that's bullshit

That looks like what I had to do to my plum set to fit my Saiga, though I did take my time and do a neater job, but it doesn't matter cause you don't really see it.
The coutouts are to let the stock not hit the plastic inserts that fill the holes in the receiver where the trigger used to be.
You can see them right above the pistol grip in this picture.

>>31871920
I put real rivets in my holes fuck that plastic bullshit.

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is there a SKS stock that has the circled part on it???

>>31871963
Got a close up pic?
Did you use the kind of rivets you have to mush with a watchamacallit? the thing that goes on a set of bolt cutters? I don't have one of those. Or a set of bolt cutters.

>>31871991
A vertical foregrip? Not that I'm aware of. Some have RAILZ RAILZ RAILZ RAILZ and you can put on an aftermarket vertical foregrip, I guess, but why would you want to do that to a nice old SKS that never did anything to you?

>>31872082
well i just thought it might look nice if the wooden stock also had a built in foregrip.

>>31871318

>not mil spec top loader

wew

>>31871777

You don't lubricate magazines ever.

>>31871963
How do you feel about the plum furniture?

>>31872133
Terrible blanket statement

Unpainted steel mags will most definitely rust without some amount of oil on the surface as a rust inhibitor

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Okay so I adopted this cute PSL (I know VEPRs are the superior rifle but I got a this one for a real good price) and was wondering how to take good care of her. I know you can't fire certain rounds but I'm not sure what those are. Are surplus rounds good?

>>31872064
Im not at home so not atm

I had them intalled by kilo guns. So i would imagine they used a press.

>>31872161
Id be interested. Just no funds atm. Just ordered a grip for my woo

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>>31868202
>Beryl handguard

Me too.

>>31872220
>buying a pistol grip leaves him with "no funds"
Paycheck
To
Paycheck

>>31872289
or he could just be normal and gives himself a budget

>>31872289
Kek

>>31872289
Nigga its just my spending on frivolous shit fund.

>>31872329
This

>>31872191
The gas system in these, if I recall correctly, is set up for Warsaw Pact/Russian milspec "light ball" only. The 148gr steelcore "LPS" bullet. There is 7.62x54R ammo with heavier bullets, generally 170+ grains, intended for machine guns, and it's loaded HOT. Please do not shoot it in your PSL, as it will beat the hell out of it and eventually break it.

If you shoot surplus ammo the rule is, silver paint on the tip = LPS "light ball" and that's okay. Yellow paint = "heavy ball" for MGs only, not okay. There is surplus ammo with both yellow and silver paint on the tip of the bullet; apparently it is Hungarian steelcore heavy ball, and not appropriate for the PSL.

If you handload, Sierra makes a 174gr MatchKing bullet in .310" diameter for the 7.62x54R and similar cartridges. I would stay short of max loads and I'd use only powders in the same burning rate range as are suitable for a Garand in '06--no faster than IMR3031, no slower than IMR4320.

If you shoot surplus ammo there are other Warsaw Pact color codes--red tip, black tip, black-and-red, which seem to indicate AP or APIT intended for machineguns, and, again, probably not 100% safe in the PSL.

Back when PSLs were $700 at gun shows, there was talk on some gun boards that 148gr commercial Tula/Wolf FMJ was sub-MOA in a lot of these rifles. I don't know if the specs have changed since then, of course.

Good luck. It looks like a nice shooter.

>>31872353
Thanks this helps out a lot. I really lucked out with this one. I don't think the last owner used it at all.

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Copped this nigha for 345. Got two 30 round mags with it.

>>31872379
sweet ak brah!

>>31872379
Ew

>>31872391
tfw no sks general feelsblandman

>>31872379
>SKS
>with plastic stock and reliable, usable original fixed 10-round milspec mag pulled out and replaced with jamtastic "banana clips"
You overpaid. Also, you should probably try to see if you can restore it with the original wood and magazines.

>>31872405
>implying I don't have the original wood stock
>implying I want a 10 round magazine
shiiiiiiiit

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>>31872426
>implying I want a 10 round magazine
Well, I assumed you wanted the gun to actually work.

There are exactly zero aftermarket SKS "pimp-a-matic xtend-o-klipz" that work worth a shit. Even the Chinese 20 rounders are spotty.

>>31872449
I've shot 300 rounds through it so far
had 1 failure to feed
seems fine to me senpai

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>>31872449

What is the current state of 5.45 as far as availability and quality?

>>31872510
there's none to be found anywhere. it sucks. I wish I had never bought that gun. just get 7.62x39 and you'll always be happy.
literally, not one round of 5.45 for sale anywhere in the continental united states. NOT ONE.

>>31872524
Man... not a single round, huh?

http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammo-sale/545x39-ammo

>>31872524
You are full of lies and deceptions. Though I agree that anon should just get a 7.62x39 AK.

>>31872191
>vepr superior
In some ways, not in others.
5rd single stack mags and being a sporter rifle is a bummer.
I really dislike heavy ball vs light too, not great IMO.

>>31872524
This.... You have my upvote sir

>>31872524
What i mean is anyone making it that stacks up to the old surplus as far as performance? Never mind i found golden tiger has 5.45 and that sounds good to me if it's like their 7.62x39.

>>31872191
And you can basically count the scope alone as 300 dollars against what you paid for the psl.
They don't seem nearly as overpriced once you account for that.

>>31872524

Have you tired the internet?

>>31872560

This is what puts me off the VEPR (aside from the VEPR 12) they look ugly and can't accept SVD magazines.

>>31872603

I paid 700 for it and 3 mags and some loose ammo so I see this as a major win. I remember when PSO scopes were considered trash and sold for 100 bucks each. Every year it seems to get worse for the hobby.

>>31872609
Neither can the psl. But it does have legit 10rd mags.
I love my vepr12 and chokes for shotgun sports.

>>31872220
If you're serious about wanting it, I can hold it for you until you're ready. I'm not in a big hurry to offload it

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>>31872609
I have a psl scope that I may be persuaded to trade. I'll be trading my usp for a reflex sight and other milsurp so I may end up not using the psl scope

>>31872632
Enjoy your $300 psl then with scope and 2 spare mags...

>>31872686
My PSL came with it's scope. I also own a PSO-1P but the rails seem to be different specs. Are you selling any magazines for a PSL?

>>31872708
Whoops, i only saw the thumbnail and i didnt see the scope. I don't have any mags for it, nice buy tho

>>31872674
Yeah ill take it just might be a week or so
Feel free to sell it tho if you have other offers.

>>31870839
$35 bayonet with a $35~40 mag. You didn't get raped, but I bet he didn't really put any foreplay into the encounter...

>>31871963
>rivets
>to fill Hillary holes that don't belong on the rifle
>instead of actually welding up the holes

>>31872524
>Never heard of online ammo sales, the post

Nigga is every site but 4chan blocked on your isp? you can buy it all day long on sgammo and akfiles marketplace.

>>31872551

>2 kinds of barnaul, tula, hornady

You know as well as I do that the second major news networks start calling a few states for hillary all of that will be gone, bought up by dudes on akfiles who never intend to shoot it. Don't get me wrong, I love 5.45, but I treat it like a novelty caliber since there's no feasible way for me to buy enough to last me the rest of my life. It could easily be relegated entirely to the secondary market come February.

>>31872601

>Never mind i found golden tiger has 5.45

Yeah, and we're not going to get a single crate more of it for a good while. Silver bear does well for me. SG should have more wolf "mil spec" coming in at some point (laquer case with sealed bullet and primer just like GT) that you might take a look at.

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>ask someone on AK Files about buying a Russian PSO scope
>never answers
>different inbred asks me if I'm the one selling the gun

Average day on the files

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>>31872191
>>31872560
>>31872609
noobs

>>31872789
I'll hold it for you. Just post on here or pm me on the files when you're ready, if you still have my name

>>31866763
>https://ghostbin.com/paste/py877
I would add in the High Standard Interarms AKs in the $500-$700 range. They're super nice.

>>31872979
Are they? I've never seen a review of them.

>>31872994
They're hard to find reviews of, yeah. Not sure why they're not as popular.
But yeah I have one. They're pretty similar to WASRs, I haven't heard of anyone having problems with them, excepting when they had some keyholing issues back in ~2006.

>>31872551
>>31872558
>>31872863

Damn, and I thought my sarcasm was really fucking obvious.

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>>31872939
I admit though, it would be harder to make a magazine for 54r, this is in .30-06.

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>>31873021
I'm not sure if i'll have to go to a machinist or not to make the tabs that hold the magazine in.

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I'm not sure how to measure out how much metal i would need if I wanted to put indentations into the sidewalls to make it structurally more sound.

>>31872844
I had the rest welded.
>>31872968
Cool ill let you know

>>31873007
Nobody buys them because nobody knows anything about them because nobody buys them because nobody knows anything about them.
Robski should review one.

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>>31873049

>>31872939
>>31873021
>>31873032
>>31873036
Do VEPRs and unconverted saigas use the same forearms?

>>31873049
That's what I've seen.
They've been in his past three votes for torture tests but nobody votes for them.

>>31873150
Watch the company go under and they turn out to be ultra-durable sub-moa rifles.

>>31867657
I have that break too.
It's alright.

Is there a comprehensive guide to PSO scope markings? I know TIP-2s are Romy but how do you tell a Russian Izmash from a Kalinka from an NPZ, etc?

>>31871777
I've shared heard it's bad to, because it will attract grime which could make it malfunction. But I've never lubed my mags, so I have no evidence to put forth.

>>31873137
Not sure, I don't have saiga, but veprs are on a rpk frame.

>>31868352
>>31869457
Needs more SKS.
Why don't people like the SKS anymore? What are they going to grab when they go innawoods?

>>31873228
Muh ak

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what's /akg/'s opinion on the SAM7SF?

>>31873300
>Cant be fired with the cleaning rod attached.
Enough said

>>31873300
very high quality
limited off the shelf customization
heavy

>>31873300
*memes*

>>31873330
why not? ive seen a few pics with the cleaning rod in

>>31873300
stamped > milled

>>31873330
wait what?

>>31873368
>>31873362
It states in the manual to remove the rid before shooting. I can damage the folding stock latch mechanism.

>>31873330
does it jump out or something?

>>31873380
Fucking how

>>31873368
Please don't summon MSD

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>>31873380
>damage the folding stock latch mechanism.

>>31873390
Apperently the recoil causes the rod to bang into the mechanism damaging it.

>>31873402
The one in the front. Ginger

>>31873412
Holy shit that's fucking hilarious

One more thing to add to the stamped > milled list

>>31873390
Look at the muzzle brake of an AK-74 that has been shot a lot. On the bottom there will be a notch where the cleaning rod has slowly peened a little divot into it. I'm guessing the stock latch mechanism is exposed to the other end of the cleaning rod and gets peened by it and damaged somehow.

I've never heard of someone actually destroying their latch from shooting with the cleaning rod in, but an anon posted a pic of the manual just the other day where it said Arsenal will not warranty damage to the latch caused by shooting with the cleaning rod in. That folding stock was originally designed for subcompact AKs so I guess they didn't have cleaning rods in mind.

>>31873425
Well its only applicable to the folding stock versions.

>>31873412
>The one in the front. Ginger

I know the latch is in the front, but that still doesn't make any sense.

>>31873476
Not very robust latch + impacted with metal cleaning rods= broken latch thats not covered under warranty.

>>31873476
Then use your fucking brain

>>31873442
i dont get why they even added a spot for the cleaning rod then? aesthetics i guess?

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Will putting one of these on my akm overgas it?

>>31873330
That's only true if the full size cleaning rod is inserted and only if the stock is folded. The cleaning rod comes in two pieces and you can put the longer one in, which won't affect function and you still get the aesthetics.
That being said it's a great rifle with a fantastic trigger if you can ignore the butt ugliness. I have some custom wood laminate furniture for mine that should be here in another month or so that will help the look
This is what it'll look like
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_64/159517_SA7SF_in_wood.html

>>31873578
i love mine so far, i've gotten used to the heavy aspect of it, things could be worse (it could be a FAL/m1a)

>>31873598
Honestly I don't even think it's all that heavy. It's noticeably heavier than an AKM but it's not unbearable by any means. I've taken mine on 10 mile hikes and not been any worse for wear

>>31867864
Liar. You used blue because you see everyone else do the same thing, you cringey sheep faggot.

>>31873639
Yeah, for a while I was pussified and was considering getting a lightweight akm to accompany it, but I'll survive

>>31873578
That im sure its a great rifle functionality wise. Just looks like a third trimester abortion.
> that being said i would love to own one.

>>31873501
kill yourself you cock craving faggot. in no way does firing the gun with the cleaning rod in place = damaged stock latch make sense.
i believe that it can happen and I understand the mechanics of how it happens, but to design, construct, and sell something with such an obvious flaw does not make sense.
again, kill yourself you annoying piece of shit faggot.

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>>31871777
>>31871798
>>31872133

>>31873871
They put in the manual not to shoot with the rod in. The rifle was not originally designed for a folding stock. Arsenal knows about rhe flaw and is to lazy or dont care enough to fix it. Companies sell knowingly faulty items just look and century and IO

>>31873922
Surprised nobody has come up with a mcgyver fix to keep it from jarring around

>>31873988
Haha me too i would just add some tape so it fits snugly. Maby a rubber buffer cap on the end ?

>>31873871
>in no way does firing the gun with the cleaning rod in place = damaged stock latch make sense.
Maybe for retards like yourself, especially after I explained in detail exactly how it happens right above that post.

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>>31874022
Makes sense to me, without knowing what's actually going on. A few wraps of tape just forward of the bayonet lug hole.
>someone's SA93s that are kinda cool

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>>31874084
Man those are sweet...
>except for the magpul, should have put izzy grips on .

>>31874132
The Izzy grips still look so damn weird though. But I bet they're hella comfy

>>31874084
Tape would melt from the heat of the gas block and create a sticky mess

Some sort of cap would be best

>>31874163
Yeah, high temp thermofit or something. That stuff is super tough

>>31873228
I have an SKS also. I love shooting it despite its frankly horrid trigger, which I occasionally think of sending out for trigger work. But there's only so much ammo, and--more critically--so much time for shooting on my days off. I shoot smallbore pistol more than everything else put together, then my WASR.

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>>31874143
So comfy. I thought they looked wierd too until i used one .

>>31874052
holy fuck. you might actually be retarded. i actually feel sorry for you now.

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>>31873433
I've seen East German cleaning kits with a multi-segment steel cleaning rod similar to the one we issue for the butt trap in the M16. East German AK mag carriers even usually have a little pouch on one side, to carry that cleaning kit.

I know the steel cleaning rod under the barrel is kind of a Russian tradition but you don't actually need it to be there, do you? As long as the weapon is functional?

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Guys am I retarded for wanting these? I just realized xxxFENCExxx sells these, they look pretty sweet

>>31874223
To me they look like shit, and VERY tacky, but hey man if you want them, get them. To hell with what anybody else thinks.

>>31874217
Huh. What's the cleaning kit that came with my m72 parts kit

>>31874223
It would be cool if the were surplus mags .

>>31874217

No but it puts the multi piece rods to shame is probably the best part of the rifle

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>>31874254
Yeah they'd be obviously range mags, no steel in them, but I'm Polish and having that sweet bird on some mags would give me Slav Ski pride. They might look cool in my Norinco. Speaking of which I seen this Russian company on fb making some poly mags, and supposedly making a quad stack mag.

>>31874283
Yeah too bad the Poles don't use anything gaudy like that in their military lol

>>31874308
Steel reinforcements?

>>31874217
Krinkov mag pouches have a slot in the back for the cleaning rod. Krinkovs were issued with cleaning kits too, although I'm not sure where those were intended to be stored.

To me it is 99% an aesthetic and "correctness" thing. But also, from a design perspective, I always found it cool that everything needed to clean and service the rifle can be found on the rifle itself, sans oiler. And cleaning rods under the barrel is a Russian tradition.

>>31874198
Filtered and reported

>>31874308
>I'm Polish

Well fuck dude, in that case you gotta get some of those. It's your civic duty!
(sorry for calling your heritage tacky)

Why are slavs so bad at fit & finish? Will they ever match American quality?

>>31868102
>My sub 1000$ gun can shoot pretty accurately at standard engagement distances, granted it isn't sub MOA precision, I can purchase ammo extremely cheap, I can purchase standard caps mags for about 10 bucks each, has a pretty good after market that sure, can be expensive at times, but still pretty great, much more reliable than many firearms out there
>But omg!! it isnt shooting sub moa 24/7!! it doesnt cost 3000$!! it doesnt take my special snowflake 30 dollar scar mags!! it doesnt have all the leet rails on the side for all my operators tactical sights and lights!!! it also isnt a good suppressor host!!!!!


fug off, ak best rifle, AR 2nd best

>>31874359
they build it to work. not to look pretty.

>>31874267
I dno, lol. Open it and see.

Anyone see Rob Ski bitch and try to talk shit to Mike and Gary of Dead Air?

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>>31874338
Negative, they are just like the clear green ones. It would be a novelty, but a non gay one unlike those $60 black ball sack grips the AR guys put on their molon abe Chris Costa spec super snowflake ARs.

>>31874352
Nah man, the mags are tacky for sure but I dig them.

>>31874380
>Mike and Gary of Dead Air?

No clue who that is.
If it wasn't on AKOU then I didn't see it.

>>31874368
>build to work
>canted everything

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>>31874380
No. When and where. And pardon my ignorance but wtf is dead air?

>>31874399
>still works

>>31874399
>canted

Now you're talking about Century, an american company, you fucking retard.

>>31874371
God fucking dammit. I meant "that's"
How does that "Thats" autocorrect to "what's"?

>>31874359
Have some specific examples or pictures to share?

I Impulsively picked up a md63 kit for 299 shipped, with the intention of building an sbr. Why do I feel like I made a mistake?

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>>31874359
>American
>Quality

Motherfucker are you 90 and just woke up from a 70 year coma? Pick fucking one.

>>31874424
he's just shit talking. probably an ARfag in here trying to stir up shit.

>>31874398
>Mike and Gary of Dead Air?
According to Google, Mike Pappas and Gary Hughes. Apparently they own Dead Air Armament, which makes Class III stuff, including suppressors.

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Knowing this will be assembled in at least 6 months.

>>31874411
Russian AKMs are some of the most canted fucking AKs ever made

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>>31874439
Give him some some accessories to make him go back to his containment thread.

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>>31874446
What book?

>>31874464
They've finally caught up to our outdated piston driven technology

>>31874446
Text is blurry, what is it? 5.45, 5.56?

>>31874482
The Grim reaper 2nd ed. Nabbed it for 50 a while back

>>31874464
looks nice, but need something with a bit more recoil to provide a good stroke. .308 maybe.

>>31874508
5.45. Sorry my camera phone is trash. And regular sized pics can't be posted

>>31874452
Wonder if they just demilled all the shittiest rifles and sold off the good ones to third world buyers

>>31874534

Don't bother with him. He's full of shit.

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Here is some more 5.56 for the thread

>>31874527
Np. Looks nice. I want a 74 type rifle for collection, but getting married, buying a house and planning a honeymoon really wrecks the wallet.

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I sure would like to have a Bulgarian milled 5.56 underfolder

>>31874283
Um, the beryl mags are surplus you git

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>>31874636
>2016
>America
>getting married
>"honeymoon" instead of using that money to pay off debt

shiggydiggy

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>>31874673
I don't think the non black ones are truly surplus, they don't use them in the field.

>>31874636
Yea, it killed me buying the kit but those are rare as fuck. Told myself my next 5.45 was going to be a krinker but oh well

>>31874428
Because Romanian AK kits are some of the crustiest and roughest you can buy, literally anything is better, should have bought a Hungarian or polish

>>31874685
At least a honeymoon is a vacation you can remember instead of an overpriced rock

>>31874534
I doubt it. Everything needing to be straight as an arrow is a consumerist sentiment, zero-able was spec for the actual factories.

>>31874696
They were issued mags, but were replaced pretty quickly due to issues from what xxFENCExx has told me. that's why they changed to the green from the milkjug white ones, and then to the black ones. apparently they love them for training in Poland because you can tell at a glance a general idea of how many rounds the dumbass greenhorn has left

Do standard ribbed combloc steel mags lose their gloss after a little while? It's ruining my super tacticoolness.
I'm not gonna lie, it slightly bothers me.

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>>31874696
Sure they did. Blacks are just the newest version. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me but the first gen was the clear ones, the second was the clear-green ones, and the third is the black.

>>31874709
It will be a mutt anyways, so I'm not worried about uglyness as long as it funtions great and looks cool doing it. This will be a shooter not a safe queen.

>>31874764
Correct. The green ones are pretty Damn durable but black is the best. I've never seen a clear/white that wasn't cracked all to shit, but that having been said they are all still functioning with those nasty cracks.

>>31874773
Romanian rifles aren't pretty but do the same thing everyone else does. Build away! If it isn't perfect you won't shit yourself the first time it gets a scuff or scrape on it.

>>31874740
its kind of amazing the number they turned out a year. 2000-3000 a day?

>>31874673
You git, you blind ass jigaboo. The mag in the picture is clearly not surplus

>>31874799
Cool. I figure if I'm using a 5.5 folder the origin matters a bit less. Russian would be cool but not $500 extra cool.

>>31874847
Words hurt anon, I can see just fine.

They would be pretty neat with the same design on some nice swirly bakelite mags though. I'm tempted to ask. He did a run of some fancy floral pattern on furniture a while back too. I'll try to dig out the pics...

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>>31874910
This?

>>31874910
Id take on a nice shiny plum in the same silver as the ink stamps

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>>31874740
And at the current percentage of marriages in the US that don't end in divorce and expensive lawyer costs, alimony payments and child support, either is a foolish decision especially when about to take on major debt. I never believed in such bullshit extravagance, especially modern Western weddings which are a huge waste of money to young newlywed couples who are more than likely to face financial issues early on.

>>31874754
>>31874764
Interesting, I appreciate the insight, I was always curious what each color was for, I had assumed or misunderstood the clear ones to be for export only.

>>31874923
Might as well carve "LV" all over that, too, Anon.

>>31874802
Production capacity varied but it was not unusual for the Izhevsk plant to put out over 2000 rifles in a single day, yes

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>>31874923
I totally would put that furniture on my WASR.

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>>31874923
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223808

$200 a set isn't that bad really

>>31874758
srsly? I clean mine with paper towels and brake fluid, then spraypaint them nonreflective matte black, floorplates and all. Shiny is great for parades and white-gloves inspections. But if we are talking about any kind of strictly hypothetical innawoods use shiny stuff is not likely to work out quite so well.

New thread

>>31874996

>>31874996

>>31874996

Anyone else enjoying the trench weapons in battlefield blacked?

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>>31875011
>Battlefield Blacked

Kek

So I was on KVAR looking at Arsenals and I noticed that among their milled rifles there are two varieties, the milled and the milled and forged, whats the difference aside from $200?