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Compared to that, the HJ-12's 1100mm penetration figure is far too conservative.

it has a 152mm warhead for fucks sake.

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>>31853697
With the HJ-12 hitting the top of an Abrams, the supervelocity molten jet would probably exit from the bottom of the tank, before skewering crewmembers alive.

>>31853665
and hitlery wants to start a war with them

>implying that crew would live long enough to even see the tank they're trying to kill

In Yemen when?

IIRC the Sudanese or something actually bought the Queen Bee launchers.

>>31853665
>a homogeneous block of soft steel is an accurate representation of tank armor

>>31853697
More like the HJ-12's is realistic and the Queen Bee's is propaganda.

>>31853908
block is RHA, which is the measurement standard of all tank armor.

Abram M1A2SEP has equivalent of 1620mm RHA against chemical explosives. That is even if it has Uraniumunobtanium or whatever armor etc.

>>31853665
>15-1 penetration to warhead diameter ratio.
Bullshit.

wtf I love China now

>>31853921
>block is RHA
>Abram M1A2SEP has equivalent of 1620mm RHA against chemical explosives

[citation needed] x2

>>31853665
So if China can make this, can they make a armor to defeat it?

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In the game, it needed 2 shots to kill an Abrams.

Sometimes a single shot can immobilize an Abrams.

Looks about right.

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>>31853975

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rororor

>>31854146
Different anon, but
>m1a1HA

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>>31854146
M1A2 SEP is better.

>>31854110
That's like asking if God can make a rock that even he can't lift.

When you're dealing with the sheer technological might of China, normal standards of human logic can't quite keep up.

>>31853665
If it sounds like horseshit it generally is. I wouldn't believe this shit from the Russians or Americans either.

I might believe it from based Brazil of course.

>>31854189
So it's true then. China has reached heights far beyond what humans can imagine. I bet they have secret IPBMs (interplanetary ballistic missiles) silo all over Mars.

>>31854146
>Steel Beasts as source

>>31854219
No.

China actually exists as a memetic force after they all died during the Great Leap Forward. Their incorporeal forms project an illusion of smog and ghost factories, producing shitty products to delude the world.

When the time is right, Lo Pan shall summon the armies to physical form and reign terror upon the world of the living.

[Dao sword rattling intensifies]

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>>31853665
Not understanding how tank armor works for 1000 Alex.

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So it can penetrate a few blocks of shitty chink steel? Guess what, US steel is a lot different than shitty chinese steel. It probably wouldn't even get through 1 block of US steel. In fact, it probably doesn't even work since it's just some shitty chink copy of a western munition. This is all propaganda and it's shit propaganda at that. China can't even afford to feed its troops, much less actually develop new weapons. They have 5 guys in a shed cranking out plastic toy models of western guns, slapping chink moon runes on them, and making photoshopped pictures of them working. It's all very obvious and very pathetic.

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Definite improvement over their earlier 125mm HEAT-FS.

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>>31854366
Soviet BK29 HEAT-FS penetration (late 80s): 850mm penetration against RHA.

>>31853941
this!
heat has a penetration scaling with diameter pretty much.

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Chinese 105mm HEAT penetration vs RHA (2000s):

about 700mm

>>31854300
Anon, you do realize that RHA made for testing AT weapons is different from shitty, corner cut, exported steel?

The Chinese CAN make decent steel, but they choose to cut corners and lie about it instead so they can make a fatter profit.

Furthermore, there's nothing to suggest that it's propaganda. M1A2 is a fucking 90's tank that hasn't had a real upgrade because of post cold war budget cutting. It needs to be updated.

I want the China shill to stop, it's just annoying at this point

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>>31854391
late 90s: Chinese BK29 copy vs Type-IIM APFSDS

The HEAT performs a lot better. APFSDS penetrates around 650mm.

The technological improvement over these last decade is apparent.

>>31854401
The fact that they're claiming an improvement of 600mm of penetration over shit they were releasing just a year or two ago makes this a ridiculous claim to try and take seriously.

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>>31853665
>heat
>1800mm pen

>>shooting at a flat slab vs sloped armor

>>>no ERA

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>>31854402

why is the armor block of varying sizes? i assume they cut it up so it'd be easier to move by hand but that doesn't account for why there's a multitude of heights where as with >>31854391 if you cut that up they'd all be level

>>31853665
>Single stage HEAT.
>Good.
pick one

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>>31854401
>Anon, you do realize that RHA made for testing AT weapons is different from shitty, corner cut, exported steel?
Maybe in 1st world countries, not china. You want to know how they got this steel to test?

>rich, corrupt general uses state money to buy steel from the forge he owns
>pays himself top dollar to manufacture this """""top quality"""""" steel
>makes shitty steel for pennies
>pockets the difference
>"loses" what he didn't spend out of the budget and racks up debt by eating out and fucking whores
>delivers """""""""""""""""""top quality"""""""""""""""""" steel to the testing grounds
>chink photographers take some photos, head to the lab to photoshop a big hole in it
>steel is thrown away, guy writes it off as a donation and charges the government for disposal. Pockets that money
>chinkboos find the doctored test photos, come to /k/, and demand we all start sucking china's dick

>>31854437
tandem.

It has that probe.

>>31854420
heat doesn't give a shit about slopes the thickness is what really counts and spaced armor and ceramic layers do greatly decrease the effectiveness.

>>31854435
Sometimes its like this:

>>31854377

>>31854439
anyone got that multipost image about why you should never get steel from china, or work with the chinese, ever?

>>31854442
that's an awful small tandem

>>31854439
You'd think the Chinese government would be interested in having weapons that function properly, though.

>>31854442
Look at the penetration path and then compare to the proper offset tandem charge in >>31854377

>>31854418
i wonder if you use different materials like say a du lining instead of copper and better high-explosives could you actually increase the penetrating ability of heat rounds off the same diameter?

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>>31854461
Yeah, because it isnt off-set tandem.

It merely has a smaller anti-ERA probe.

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>>31854452

>>31854452
You're not supposed to do this because they're terrible liars and would rather fake certifications than produce material to the proper specifications. That is for commercial export though, it can't all be bad because the country's not literally falling apart. There's nothing to suggest they can't do it properly, they just need to be micromanaged.

>>31854463
Copper maxes out at around 8-1 pen to warhead diameter.
Other materials start maxing out at ~12-1.
OP is calming 15-1.

>>31854435
head doesn't travel a straight path if you cut it up into blocks you have better chance of cutting it in half so that it intersects the tunnel nicely.

>>31854169
enjoys taking dumb pictures with big guns.

maybe were not so different after all

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>>31854463
With DU or even tungsten, definitely.

China is one of the biggest tungsten producer.

>>31854482
yeah but like i said probably the speed of the shaped charge penetrator is also important, with better high explosives maybe higher speed is achieved even slightly higher velocity can result in double the penetration.

>>31854488
i think you need malleable metals for lining in heat tho.

>>31854442
>>31854456
>>31854471
it's just the stand-off not tandem warhead

>>31854471
>because the country's not literally falling apart. There's nothing to suggest they can't do it properly, they just need to
>anal urges intensify in gay men

>>31854186
SEPV2 and V3 have more armor then the SEP

>>31853882
back to your echo chamber /pol/ you delusional faggot

cant wait til november 8th when reality hits you drumpftards in the face

>>31854478
>because the country's not literally falling apart
you sure about that

>>31853882
wait you actually think wars are decided on mbt armor and heat missile penetrations?
these things change all the time if there is a need for it tanks can get an applique armor in a few weeks. not to mention new aps systems that will in theory make the question moot unless it's a whole salvo. you need pressure for things to evolve it's all good.

>>31854401
>hasn't had a real upgrade since cold war

Why is it always dumbfags that have to post? The Abrams has been overhauled about 4 times since the 90s FFS. The latest version comes out this year, making it 0 years old. Specifically the SEPV3

>b b but much cosmetic face lift

Its gotten repeated armor, armament, electric, and numerous other enhancements to include being reset to 0 hour condition. The SEPV3 is currently the most state of the art tank in production. Second to it, is the SEPV2. The Armata is nice but doesn't even rival the Leopard and barely the Challenger which also, is getting an overhaul right now, its first in a while. Granted, its not a full reset but just a life extension project. Other tanks are novel but lack in their own ways. This "cold war tech" forced meme needs to die already. A M1A2 SEPV3 would literally wipe the floor with a platoon of M1A1HAs. Perspective guys, grow up this is 2016.

>>31854746
come on man you are expecting rationality from /pol/. Better off waiting for bacteria to evolve into sentient life. I'm done trying to talk sense into those who obviously would rather wallow in ignorance.

>>31854746
>A M1A2 SEPV3 would literally wipe the floor with a platoon of M1A1HAs. Perspective guys, grow up this is 2016.
this is where you are wrong tho. even a platoon of stingrays would chew up your new shiny abrams.
numbers mean a lot especially if they can split up and flank.

>>31854746
>Armata barely rivals Challenger
Challenger doesn't even have a smoothbore.

The Abrams was always overkill for COIN conflicts. Leave it at home and have the C-130s bring it in whenever we have to do peer fights.

>>31853709
Mind your english fifty cent.
It would skewer the crew members AFTER it exits the tank ?

>>31854781
brits have their own magic for working around that.

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>>31854675
>1 Hillary Token has been deposited into your account

>>31854771
Wow you missed the point entirely. But your own premise defeats itself anyway. Good job. The cool thing is, it would take a platoon to do so. You literally admitted the SEPV3 is the show stopper I claimed it to be.

Furthermore the M829A1 would tickle a SEPV3. Inversely a M829A4 beyond irrational skepticism would pen a A1HA. Not to mention the FCS and optics of the SEPV3 out gun the A1HA. Also also, CITV's increased hunter to killer capability give the SEP a reasonable chance against 4 A1HAs.

TLDR thank you for proving my point.

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>>31854675

>>31854831
look I'm not that anon but a libertarian, and even I have to say that the trump crowd has become toxic.
Literally most of them are just delving into straight up racism, but that topic is for a different board.

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>>31854846
>Racism memes

>>31854839
>Wow you missed the point entirely. But your own premise defeats itself anyway. Good job. The cool thing is, it would take a platoon to do so. You literally admitted the SEPV3 is the show stopper I claimed it to be.
i'm not the guy you were arguing with i just had issues with your ridiculous claim that any one mbt could defeat a platoon of lesser tanks (unless the platoon is slavshit operated by sand monkeys cause that actually happened).

>>31854846
Nevermind, I'm a faggot

>>31854839
>Furthermore the M829A1 would tickle a SEPV3. Inversely a M829A4 beyond irrational skepticism would pen a A1HA.
that's not how this thing would go down anon, i have news for you, almost any ww2 tank can pen your abrams from the right angle.

>>31854794
Pretty sure a C130 cannot carry a M1 dude. That's why we have C5s and C17s. More realistically they will be imported from motor pools, warehouses, or ships in the respective areas. We have a lot of tanks overseas already waiting.

>>31854871
And an RPG7 can kill any tank ever made, and typically has. What's your point? You're just pandering now.>>31854874
>>31854874

>>31854859
guess you haven't been automatically assumed to be a liberal because you are slightly brown.
I guess you haven't been told to stop taking welfare no mater how preppy you dress and the fact you act like a white person.
the fact that pol keeps talking about killing blacks and other minorities and spreading on all the fucking boards like a cancer.
just shut the fuck up about politics on k so I can enjoy my gun porn alright...

>>31854892
oh and I haven't taken welfare, and have a job and am in college full time... I already have an associates degree,

>>31854886
indeed, altho slate kits do make it hard, i think there was a chally that got hit 26 times before getting a mobility kill. which illustrates nicely the limitations on rpg7 vs modern armor.

>>31854675
This
Also nice triggering of the polcucks.

>>31854886
>pandering
what the fuck does that even mean in this context?

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>>31854892
>>31854923

No one cares about your blog posts, shill.

>>31854860
Good but you're just as retarded as the other guy. You're alluding to the same mentality that "more tanks" would just zerg rush and defeat the superior built tank but this is false in some to most situations for the already aforementioned reasons. For starters the M1A2 SEPV3 has come significantly further in advances then say a Panzer had over the Sherman. And this includes range, the most decisive one. Also maneuverability. Sure a HA could kill a SEP. But roll the dice enough times the SEP takes the lead in almost every engagement. A more realistic analogy is a Renault vs a Panzer.

>>31854955
>You're alluding to the same mentality that "more tanks" would just zerg rush and defeat the superior built tank but this is false in some to most situations for the already aforementioned reasons.
never said that you just jump into conclusions randomly then proceed to believe your own phantasm and get mad over them.

>>31854993
I am not even mad. I am trying to withdraw an intelligent point from a weak counter argument. I am still waiting to actually be proved wrong, instead of just told I am wrong.

>>31854418
Over a missile that just came out and is 152mm to this things 120mm.

>>31854401
>cut corners and lie about it
China has a long storied history of inventing fantastical claims and then sorely under delivering on those claims to the tune of marginal improvements on Soviet-era tech.

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>>31854420
>russian ERA ads only 600mm of protection
>1800mm capable warhead still penetrates slavshit even with ERA

>>31855017
i just said it wouldn't go down that way. firstly i don't know why you would assume the early model commanders don't know their shit don't coordinate and just rush in blindly from the front on an open plain for your sep3 to pick off one by one. it makes zero sense to me. what would happen in my opinion is they would fan out and go from cover to cover in case of contact they might even hide behind smoke and if they can't flank your sep3 they would just use high explosive to destroy the sights maybe injure the crew damage the gun and tracks before get it in the side or ass with ap. they might lose a tank or two if they are unlucky but no mbt today could pull what you are talking about off unless you make the scenario utterly unrealistic on purpose (which you could if you want to justify the spendings).

>>31855072
The SEPv3 would see them long in advance. I don't care to dismantle the rest of your argument. I already said a platoon would win, but would less often.

>>31853665
Does your scenario still stand tho?

>>31855094
>The SEPv3 would see them long in advance.
depends on the terrain also the platoon guys can actually spot the sep3 without exposing their tanks to fire if they want to.

like i said you are making zero sense. i would say the platoon would win every time unless they fuck up which could happen of course. a brilliant commander advantageous terrain better intelligence or luck on part of sep3 or very dumb asshole commanding the platoon tanks would be required for them to lose.

now roughly equal numbers obviously the better more advanced tanks should win most cases but even then it is not necessarily true.

>>31854488
Nah Sweden is where the Tungsten is at. Without them you can't make spg's quickly enough or even tanks. Also pretty decent for the chromium as well

Yes you could always just build a bigger weapon to penetrate armor.

but uh, chinks are fucking liars and so thats likely fake as hell.

>>31853941
pretty much this.

The maximum armor penetration of shaped charges is around 7:1 to the warhead diameter.

This only proves chinese steel sucks, as it managed to penetrate that deep.

>no sources

what a shit thread

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>>31857377
Wiat till 3rd of november.

The trade show will officially launch and western analysts will write their findings about it.

>>31857394
how about instead of that you give fucking sources instead of bullshit claims?

>>31857402
source is photo itself and relevant chnk forums where they are being shared by the people who are already there.

Even in 4 days it wont change anything that Ibrahim Tanks are getting shreked from the front by a single squad AT buddy.

>>31857440
>photo of no measurements or anything to scale, steel bricks of varying fucking sizes
>Muh Chinese forum is best sauce!

Kys

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Top Attack missile for the PF-97

kek

An unguided rocket launcher now gets a cheap guided top attack rocket.

America on suicide watch.

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>>31860004

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CS/AA5 40mm autocannon IFV

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Red Arrow 10A

Sino-SPIKE-ER

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>>31861464

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GuP fans in China!

>>31854846
>i'm a libertarian
You don't give a shit about the country.

>>31861607
why is this shit so popular.

>>31854746
SEPV3 = Semen Ejaculating Penis V.3

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Every single of those kills the Abrahams.

>>31854831
>pol takes a pic of a librul making a funny expression
>exaggerates the fuck out of it
>and plasters it fucking everywhere
ITT: the height of conservative 'humor' is pretty fucking telling

>>31853941
Elaborate on how the ratio is important please.

>>31861697
It has many girls so the chance you will like atleast 1 is very high since there are so many of them.

Thats it.

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>>31861697
PLA IN JAPAN!

>>31861870
The ratio is a a good guideline, 7:1 is generally the rule but ratios of 10+:1 have been achieved.
The ratio is important because there is only so much energy imparted by the mass of the liner and the power of the explosive charge.

>>31853665
>recoilless rocket

its either a recoilless gun/rifle or its a rocket you cant have both anon

>>31861965
what is a Bazooka?

Recoilless gun? Or a rocket launcher?

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>>31854675
go back tô reddit faggot

>>31861965
Complete bullshit.
Most all "rocket launchers" have a recoilless projection element in which the projectile is ejected from the tube with the rocket element igniting a safe distance from the user.
Examples.
Rpg-7
LAW-72
AT-4
RPO-schmel

>>31861973
Im pretty sure its a rocket launcher

the diffrence is that a rocket keeps propelling itself after it leaves the barrel, while a recoilless gun uses all its propellant when its launched

a recoilless rifle is like a recoilless gun exept that the barrel has rifling

>>31861973
Bazooka is actually an example of a pure rocket launcher with the rocket element igniting and propelling through the length of the tube and beyond. No expelling charge based on the recoilless principal.

>>31854472
Is it just me or is this low res

>>31861965
>you cant have both anon

Most man-portable AT weaponry uses recoilless rifle mechanics, i.e. a powder charge or something to propel the warhead out of the tube to a safe distance where the rocket engine can be ingited without barbecueing the operator.

>>31854901
>Socposting when not on soc
>Being triggered because people on the internet said mean things to you
>Thinking all of trump supporters are polposters, and that the way they act on a anonymous jewish clickbait fourm is how they would treat you in real life
>Even if it was how they would act irl, why get triggered over what someone said to you on the street?

Comon dude, git gud. Maybe they aint calling you liberal because of your skin colour

>>31853665
>Even optimistic figures put the turret front thickness against CE at 1620mm.
>Falling for the RHAe meme

>>31853709
>Falling for molten metal HEAT warhead meme

>>31854146
>Steel Beasts as a source

It's not like the guys behind it don't put a lot of effort into it, but they've acknowledged the open-source limitations of their models plenty of times on their forums. Maybe if you went and read that, you wouldn't post stupid shit like this

>>31853665
So chinks claim that their HEAT warhead penetrates RHA equivalent at 1500% of the diameter of the ammunition?

Tiptop kek, anon. Where are all these trolls coming from?

>>31853665
>greater than 10:1 penetration:warhead diameter
Are chinks even trying to make their lies sound believable any more?

>>31853921
>I can tell the block is RHA because I am a pixel expert.

okay

>>31853665
The sino jav was extremly questionable, but this is downright hilarious.

I cant belive i defended this in the past.

>>31854807
Because it's so powerful that the blast ricochets back up into the tank, killing China's enemies.

Then they will get pussy.

Maybe

someday