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New Chinese Next Gen Ultra Long Range SAM tested 2016-10-30 17:43:38 Post No. 31851837
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New Chinese Next Gen Ultra Long Range SAM tested
Anonymous
2016-10-30 17:43:38
Post No. 31851837
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Next Gen Ultra Long Range SAM for the PLAN successfully tested.
Rumored to be the HHQ-8 500km SAM.
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>>31851837
The booster-stage is gigantic.
Nearly as long as the missile is.
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>>31851847
Cold launched as well.
It's said that this missile will only be equipped on China's Type 055 Cruisers, as only they have the 9m deep VLS cells to house those ultra long SAMs.
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>>31851837
a thread a day keeps the americans at bay
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>>31851857
Satellites show that the modules for a second Type 055 appeared in Shanghai.
Picture is from 11th October and thus obsolete already. The 1st 055's hull parts have long been welded together...
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>>31851868
This means that each Type 055, equipped with 128 VLS, will be able to create a no-fly zone of 500km radius.
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>who cares we're rich!
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>>31851901
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SM-6 BTFO
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>>31851884
Hmmm
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>>31851884
Even if the missile really does have a 500km range, that is not how it works.
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>>31851857
>~9m missile
>850mm diameter VLS, cold launch enables the missile to use the full size of the cannister
>booster is about 50% of the total length
Holy fuck. Is this a shipborne S-500?
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>>31851884
>This means that each Type 055, equipped with 128 VLS, will be able to create a no-fly zone of 500km radius.
>What is horizon
>What is sea skimming
China has one carrier and not enough forward observers to give a Type 055 the mythical range.
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>>31852235
Soon they will have a second carrier.
And it is not that they dont have a shitload of AWACS. Even their Z-18J AEW&C helos can take over that job with their long range AESA.
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That's cute. Call us again when you have a missile that can shoot down a plane on the other side of the world.
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>>31852258
Damn that really is coming along
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>>31852258
soon they will have 2 ramps
you mean
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>>31852258
>And it is not that they dont have a shitload of AWACS. Even their Z-18J AEW&C helos can take over that job with their long range AESA.
One whole helicopter on a Type 052D. Not very scary when a helicopter will be shot down pretty quick vs a CSG. China's gonna need more than one helicopter in their Type 055 if they thing they want to be taken seriously.
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>>31852276
The SM-3 cant shoot down planes.
It's exoatmospheric KKV can only do that: crash into exoatmospheric objects.
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>>31852313
055 will have two heavy helicopters. It's a fucking 180m ship with 22m beam.
Generally, it is expected that the 055 will serve as the Carrier escort. So the carrier will have enough AEW&C onboard.
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>>31851868
nice
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>>31852346
>055 will have two heavy helicopters. It's a fucking 180m ship with 22m beam.
[Citation needed]
China's got a lot of firepower but their killchain is quite poor. One carrier isn't going to cut it.
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>>31852287
Yeah, forward and rear APAR are installed now, and the flight deck is being cleared.
Should float out early next year.
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>>31852358
If you looked at the satellite pictures, you will notice there are two "lines" where the hangars are:
>>31851868
CG shows this better:
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>>31852258
The speed China has been knocking ships together is absolutely outrageous
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>>31852423
Theres a world of difference between a pork defense contractor and an actually competitive shipyard
Definately designing from the ground up with modern technology in mind would also do worlds of good.
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>>31852423
they are kinda suffering from overcapacities.
Just a few days ago, the 40th 056 corvette was launched. 40 in barely 3 years.
That contract can barely satisfy the 4 shipbuilders that are doing the 056, thus they pressure the government to allow them to build destroyers as well. And one thing leads to another.
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>>31851884
Thats not how that works.
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>>31851837
So we can safely assume that this is intended to be an SM-3 equivalent.
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>>31852865
Could be, but even the SM-3 does not have such a huge booster stage.
If you looked at all the other ABM missiles, you will see that they barely exceed 7 meters in length.
SM-3 is 6.55 meters, with 1.4 meter booster
THAAD is 6.17 meters in total
But this one looks to be 9 meters long, which is nearly 50% booster.
You dont need so much booster for getting into orbit. And once you are in the orbit, you do not need traditional rocket engine fuel for course correction anymore, as you already cruising with orbital velocities (hence the long range of the SM-3IIA, being 2500km).
But you need those boosters if you want to achieve a long range within earth atmosphere. This is why the S-400's 40N6 is such a large missile.
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>>31852456
Five of this things = one LCS
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>>31853097
Whatever you say, retard
https://warisboring.com/how-i-lost-the-battle-of-the-south-china-sea-c47b367a1de2#.586bssjic
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>>31853122
Price wise, he is right.
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>>31853122
>warisboring
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>>31853122
>CMNAO
Come onб you don't even trying.
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>>31851837
Nice spam thread. Don't understand why you do these literally every single day.
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>>31851884
That's not how radius works you dense nigger.
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>>31853264
He probably need money to buy rare items in chinese MMORPGs.
Just ignore him.
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>>31853279
With a dual-pulse double high parabolic trajectory like this, it does.
Booster is large. First stage makes it climb to 35km and 2nd stage to 40km before it seperates.
Then it cruises downward for the next 400km until it intercepts a aerial target cruising at 15km altitude in 500km range.
For all purposes, creating a no fly zone below 15km altitude in 500km distance is basically having a aerial denial zone of 500km radius.
Sure, I know that the F-22 has a ceiling of 20km.. so what? Then it will get shot down at 350km range.
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>>31853375
No it doesn't dipshit. You are literally denying the laws of physics.
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>>31853402
It does. Your A-10 will be toast.
That new missile can actually reach everything below 20km altitude in 500km range. It is a fucking space rocket sized SAM.
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>>31853375
You can't shoot what you can't detect, you dense nigger.
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>>31853410
No, it doesn't you dumb fucking syphilitic cunt. You continue to openly deny the laws of physics and the that maximum SAM and a2a missile ranges come with a laundry list of caveats that never line of in the real world.
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>>31853412
Forward deployed J-20 detects your A-10, calls the next 055 behind him, and datalinks the missile at your ass.
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>>31853425
>muh evasion
Cant evade something that has a terminal speed of Mach 4 @ 500km.
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>>31853429
> saying things he knows are false
That's called trolling and you're not very good at it.
>>31853425
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>>31853447
> explicitly denying the fact that missile ranges are theoretical maximums that are never achieved in real-world applications
Kill yourself nigger.
>>31853451
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>>31853451
>B-2
Pic related is the CH-805, the Chinese target drone for training PLA SAM operators against B-2 and F-22 styled stealth targets.
China has trained to take out your shitty stealth planes for a long time. Kys Amerinigger.
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>>31853467
It's like you totally gave up on your own thread. No surprised given the severe anal bleeding you have on a daily basis with these spam threads
>>31853472
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>Chinese missile warning satellite can detect the afterburner of US planes from space
Byebye, USAF!
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>>31853485
Just want to say that your planespamming is useless, since every single of that plane becomes trash infront of China's advanced missiles.
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>>31853494
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This thing kills the THAAD.
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>>31853514
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>>31853514
sage doesnt work anymore
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>>31853529
Delicious radar signatures... Would be bad if something happened to it.
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>>31853531
Yeah, it does as much as it needs to. It means you don't get your dog shit thread bumped and that the post and image limit is still counted against.
And spoiler: bumping your own thread doesn't work
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>>31853538
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/chinese-su-27-fighter-jet-did-a-barrel-roll-over-a-usn-1625759458
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqKL4Oa748U
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>>31853556
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>>31853556
>And spoiler: bumping your own thread doesn't work
You still does it well for me.
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>>31853561
> still trying to bump his own troll thread
>>31853570
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>>31853573
That's not even English. Try again Chang.
>>31853583
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BJ means blow job.
From the B-2 pilots to the PLA SAM operators.
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>>31853619
> electronic warfare doesn't exist
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>>31853627
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>>31853619
they're going to suck off b-2 pilots?
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>>31853658
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>>31853627
It doesnt.
Unjammable VHF-AESA related.
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>>31853674
> Unjammable
You don't need to jam something when you destroy the electronics.
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>>31853686
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>>31853703
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>>31853686
>destroy
VHF cant be even located, let alone destroyed.
One of the few un-SEADable radars around.
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America's EW planes look garbage.
This one here literally fries US pilots from hundreds of km distance with its large AESA based jamming arrays.
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>>31853720
>can't detect VHF
How does your radio work then, shitbrick?
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>>31853733
Why cant america.
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>>31853720
> still denying the laws of basic physics
>>31853730
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>>31853740
It receives. Can you locate based on source?
Something that is little more noticable than background radiation?
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>>31853733
> he said, without a single piece of evidence
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AWACS as well.
3-faced fixed AESA is better than america's two faced ROTATING PESA kek.
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>>31853770
Interesting how the PLAAF doesn't have a single pilot or instructor that has ever seen combat.
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>>31853770
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>>31853779
470km range.
More than any competitor.
A KJ-2000 or KJ-500 operating some way infront of a Type 055 could provide targeting data for its long range SAMs to hit targets at max range.
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>>31853143
Setting aside that those figures are incorrect, and are an apples to oranges comparison for production cost.
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>>31853793
Fixed AESA can be made in aerodynamic shapes, since it doesnt have to SPIN, unlike American toys.
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>>31853805
delicious AESA panels.
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>>31853818
Future fixed wing carrier borne AWACS
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>>31853770
>AESA radar
E-2D says hi.
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>>31853854
>still mechanically spinning
it is as if you dont want instantanious data-refresh rates.
Anyway, the J-20 is already kinda an ersatz AWACS.
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>>31853873
>still mechanically spinning
The APY-9 is a larger and far more powerful AESA radar.
>Anyway, the J-20 is already kinda an ersatz AWACS.
Like the F-35? I wonder if the J-20 will be able to guide missiles fired from surface launchers that are blind to the target.
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>>31852235
They could already intercept of deny area for high altitude targets, Such as AWAC, ECM warfare planes and tactical aircrafts doing radar reconnaissances from high altitude. Say goodbye to "we stay at safe range" AWACs tactics. Because there would be no safe range.
>but we stay below radar horizon!
Good. So you can't detect Type 055 yourself. It really flips tables in naval aviation tactics.
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>>31853957
>Good. So you can't detect Type 055 yourself. It really flips tables in naval aviation tactics.
This is wrong.
Thanks to the inverse square law, radar energy can be detected at a range further than it can provide a good return.
So you can always detect a radar further than it can see you.
In addition, due to scattering effects, the ESM sensor does not need to have line of sight while the radar itself does.
This is why a radiating object is always at a disadvantage.
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>>31853957
It still doesn't outrange an AWAC aircraft's radar. Especially if they are flying high enough to overcome radar horizon at 500+ km.
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>>31853993
No AWACS has a 500km range radar either. Even the longest ranged one, the KJ-2000, has only 470km range.
And the 055 has quite good stealth characteristics.
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>>31853985
>So you can always detect a radar further than it can see you.
>what is radar horizon
>In addition, due to scattering effects, the ESM sensor does not need to have line of sight while the radar itself does.
1. Scattering works both ways and allows radar to see further than optical line of sight.
2. Scattering depends of wavelength. in typical short wave S band scattering doesn't increase radar horizon considerably.
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>>31854019
E-2D has at least a 550km range.
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>>31854030
But being turboprop, it cant fly that high to take full advantage of it to search for ground/surface targets.
Also, VHF is increasingle inaccurate the longer the distance.
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>>31854020
You seem to not fully understand how NLOS detection from scattering works or how the inverse square law works.
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>>31853993
>Especially if they are flying high enough to overcome radar horizon at 500+ km.
AWACS need to fly at 14000m for 500+km radar horizon. This is above capabilities of E-2 and E-3.
SAM design range of 500km? Coincidence? Don't think so...
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>>31854030
Against high altitude targets not surface.
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>>31854042
fascinating, also APY-9 is UHF
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>OTH vs airplanes isnt a thing
Russians did it in the 60s.
No way an US AWACS can hide from China's long range SAM anymore.
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>>31854077
You plan on attacking B-52s with your OTH radar? Because that's all you're going to detect.
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>>31854058
What altitude can said SAM reach at 400+km?
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>>31851837
hmmm... it really makes you wonder, what is China's end plan. Like if they manage to defeat and invade the US, what next?
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>>31854094
At least 15km in 500km. Probably more:
>>31853375
>>31853447
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>>31854103
Paper abstract for the new missile's dual parabolic trajectory, btw,
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>>31854117
>actually a t.Zhang
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>>31854117
Zhang, Zheng and Yu...
I wonder if there is some class devide in chinese names? Like something like: "Zhen are know to be a yellow trash name" or something.
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>>31853957
>They could already intercept of deny area for high altitude targets, Such as AWAC, ECM warfare planes and tactical aircrafts doing radar reconnaissances from high altitude. Say goodbye to "we stay at safe range" AWACs tactics. Because there would be no safe range.
What aerial reconnaissance? China has a single carrier and can't even project power let alone planes. Does China plan to be stuck defending their coast?
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>>31855666
A few of these long range AESA equipped near-space UAVs can do that.
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>>31855702
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Hey chinkshill™, If you still here I have some legit questions for you. Why you keep posting blatantly stolen tech or bought and copied stuff like hot shit?
Also why does your human sweatshop of a country try to become a supah powah if the moment you or murica starts some shit you will get glassed to hell and back with minimal impact for the rest of the world (except for cheap manufacturing I guess)? Heck, even in a conventional conflict the only allies you have are best Korea and maybe Iran, nobody likes you nor ever will when shtf so what's your master plan?
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>>31855702
>A few of these long range AESA equipped near-space UAVs can do that.
Divine Eagle is in testing. No proof of service or effectiveness.
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>>31855870
Hey asshole™, if you can't into milte/k/, GTFO back to /lgbt/
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>>31855870
because people like you exist.
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>>31853674
>Unjamable
>Whole thread about Chineese Supremacy
>A notion predicated on the idea that China will be able to jam and destroy vastly more powerful and advanced US Search/Scan and Track radar systems
These Fried rice motherfuckers are comedy.
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>>31856104
>US radars more advanced
>cant even into shipborne AESA and non-rotating AESA radars for AWACS, let alone GaN AESA for its stealth fighters.
kek.
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>>31856138
The US has far more sea based AESA systems than China does.
If you're predicating the idea that China has more AESA or better systems than the US does, this notion is predicated entierly on the idea China has some enormous secret arsenal of standardized craft with these sensors and not a mix-match of experimental equipment.
The I3 and multi-layered long range scanning power of the US tops China and will continue to do so until China can successfully create a compartment of competent carriers and naval aviation aircraft capable of matching the USs compartment of aircraft and ships.
The Chineese until that time will continue to have a bunch of unique and decent equipment but basically lack any utility as they have neither reached a standardization on a small compartment of systems nor have they reached anything resembling integration of these systems.
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>>31851837
>10m big ass missile
Yeah nobody will see that coming for their plane...
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>>31856221
>more seaborne AESA radars
There is exactly ONE Zumwalt and ONE X-band AESA. The rest of the SPY-1 are PESA.
And there are 10 052C/D destroyers at this moment, as well as the Liaoning carrier all with AESA.
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>>31856221
>If you're predicating the idea that China has more AESA
Umm they do. Their navy anyways.
>or better systems than the US does,
There are indications they are ahead in GaN technology.
>The I3 and multi-layered long range scanning power of the US
Good job USS Vincennes.
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>>31853957
>Good. So you can't detect Type 055 yourself. It really flips tables in naval aviation tactics.
Just like you fucking chink kikes claim every few days, right?
C-C-China s-s-stronk!
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>>31853097
>>31853143
You are comparing apples to oranges
I believe the LCS is a in land ship meant to deal with coastal craft like patrol boats and shit hence why it is a little crappy ship i am not defending it but i think you are both wrong
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>>31853447
Would it not be easier to evade something going that fast with enough heads up i imagine it cant turn well right?
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>>31856403
>And there are 10 052C/D destroyers at this moment, as well as the Liaoning carrier all with AESA.
Shame their AESA is less capable (detection range, number of tracked targets etc.) than the old PESA of SPY-1.
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>>31853447
>able to go mach 4 at the end of your max range
I wonder if you understand why such a claim automatically debunks itself.
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>>31856138
>>31853674
>>31853720
>>31853539
>>31853495
Chinese sitting here telling us how superior they are. Eventually they'll believe their own propaganda and go to war with us.
And they'll lose.
Then the next generation of assblasted wumao shitposters can complain about 200 years of humiliation.
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>>31856664
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_346_Radar
While there is nothing about the number of tracked targets, the Type 346 is by far the longest ranged in terms of detection and ID out of all naval APARs. 400+ km range.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/SPY-1
>100 nmi+ (about 180km)
kek
>captcha: jewson maple
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>>31856138
>cant even into shipborne AESA
This is a benefit of China playing catchup after AESA became the standard, whereas the US and Russia are only able to as they replace old ships.
>and non-rotating AESA radars for AWACS
Being unable to build large and powerful airborne AESA radars is not something to brag about.
>let alone GaN AESA for its stealth fighters.
The J-20 isn't using a GaN radar.
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>>31856706
>100 nmi+ (about 180km)
>+
You do not appear to understand what the plus means.
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>>31856801
thanks, I take 400+ over 180+.
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>>31856808
Thank you for confirming that you do not understand what it means.
Bonus keks for the citation used on wikipedia.
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>>31855997
Best answer
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>>31856784
Wrong. PLAAF has at lease two active scanning AEW platforms.
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>>31856839
>Shame their AESA is less capable (detection range, number of tracked targets etc.) than the old PESA of SPY-1.
Bonus keks for no citation.
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>>31856864
That whoosing sound over your head.
He is comparing the three fixed AESA on >>31853770 to the two large AESA that rotate on >>31853854
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Whats with all these chink threads lately?
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>>31856403
>>31856425
AESA in Naval Aviation craft onboard carriers is still AESA
That's so weird right??
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>>31856902
>large AESA
China's three faced fixed AESA are larger in terms of array size and T/R modules than any US radars.
It is the US who only has a single AESA AWACS operational, and it is even some dumb UHF bullshit.
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>>31856705
For the first 110+ posts there were 17 posters.
For 8 hours the same posters spammed their own thread.
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>>31856913
Chinese weapon show soon. Lots of new stuff revealed and long assummed capabilities confirmed.
Every two years, amerifat naysayers on /k/ will feel the wrath of the Chinese for their usual talk-downs on their "rumors" and "fuzzy photos".
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>>31856705
>Implying you'd win
Friendly reminder that the USA has only ever fought tiny countries.
Japan is smaller than California.
Germany is smaller than Texas.
Vietnam is smaller than Montana.
Iraq is only slightly bigger than New Mexico.
You have 0 (zero) experience fighting a country anywhere even close to your size geographically. And with a population 3 times that of yours you would experience a bloodbath that would make operation downfall blush.
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>>31856913
PRC internet shills working overtime lately mostly.
These threads would be interesting were not it for the shilling and counter shilling. Like basically any miltech thread on /k/ it devolves into faggotry.
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>>31856881
Actually using the citations you gave for the stats on the Chinese radar.
The Type 346 has 3,456 t/r nodes per array and the SPY-1B/D has 4,350.
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>>31856970
This.
All these Chinese threads lately are started by the same faggot who gets rekt in his own debates
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>>31857018
>Experts from 724th Institute, Nanjing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics, and Nanjing University of Science and Technology were invited to evaluate, and based on their input, design was modified accordingly.[9] The resulting modification resulted in the increase of transceivers from the original 3456 per face to 4768 per face with increased range.[4][5]
Original Type 346 for the 052C has 4768 arrays.
Type 346A has further incrased array numbers and general size.
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>>31857004
>implying America has never fought China before
>what is the Boxer Rebellion
FIDDY CENT REKT
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>>31857062
God, that level of burned should be a warcrime.
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>>31857004
China's last national conflict against anything resulted it it getting ass blasted.
>Size precludes strength
When Germany United it went overnight from being a cluster of reletivly strong defensive powers to the worlds largest land power at a time when China was still getting its ass turned inside out by 23 nations.
In WWII China lost to Japan. Without American intervention China would have lost far more people.
China's military history is far from glorious. There is no great tactical or strategic Chineese victory showcasing the might or forward though of the Chineese military in living memory, and there wasn't in the fringes of our living memories living memory, nor thereafter for several generations. China's military is untested and uncertain. The same affairs that led great powers to bleed themselves dry in war over history would do the same to an untested China.
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>>31857004
Uh, you probably don't want to bring past experience into this discussion.
China's past history doesn't exactly scream success.
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>>31856949
>China's three faced fixed AESA are larger in terms of array size and T/R modules than any US radars.
[citation needed]
>It is the US who only has a single AESA AWACS operational, and it is even some dumb UHF bullshit.
That salt at Hawkeyes having a superior radar.
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>>31857029
>get rekt
by that planespammer?
Sorry bud, but all I see is that American Pride gets crushed. One thread at a time.
>China cant into stealth missiles!
>Posts thread about new chinese stealth missile
>Successfully defends it against the naysayers by posting LRASMs having the same rivets and other suppossedly "non-stealth" things. Naysayers get the fuck out and resort to name-calling. Victory for China.
>China has only one carrier!
>Post thread about 2nd carrier being quickly built and to be launched next year.
>Responds by cuckramp-spammers with actual testing data on how ramps can still launch planes with full payloads when having wind over deck.
>Amerifats get triggered and resort to name-calling. Victory for China (and Russia as well)
>America best armor!
>Posts thread about simple chinese squad-based rocket warhead defeating 1800mm of RHA, BTFO latest Abrams frontal armor.
>Americucks cry a lot and call names, project that somehow RHA isnt an universal measurement for all armor, even Chobham and other shit etc and simply being totally retarded
>Logic alone defeats the Amerifats, even with lots of name-calling. Victory for China.
>China cant into SM-6!
>Post thread about Chinese super long range missile being tested. Completely BTFO all US equivalents by a mile (at leas 100 miles).
>Amerifats cant hold it anymore and use the same bullshit arguments they usually claim to hear from Russians and Chinese about how the SM-6 would suck because of no targeting etc.
>Doesnt work, because China has all targeting assets just as the US or Russia have.
>Amerifats get triggered and resort to name-calling. Victory for China.
One thread at a time. One thread at a time.
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>>31857195
Confirmed PRC Shill
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>>31857195
>stealth missiles
You forgott he dozens of threads previously where
>JASSM IS A MEME STEALTH MISSILES ARE A MEME AND WILLB E SHOT DOWN BEFORE THEY EVEN GET LAUNCHED LOOK AT THE WEST WASTING MONEY ON STUPID SHIT
>china comes out with a copy of the JSOW
>OMG THIS IS THE GREATEST THING STUPID GWAILO CANNOT HELP TO WITHSTAND SUPERIOR CHINESE TECHNOLOGY BUILT IN GLORIOUS PEOPLES TRAKTOR FACTORY
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>>31857141
How much saltier will you be when OP makes a thread once the Divine Eagle is introduced (it is already being mass-produced as we speak) and it turns out it has superior VHF AESA than the latest Hawkeye?
I look forward to it.
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>>31857195
kek.
It is simply over for the americucks.
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>>31857234
literally every single chicom shill thread ever
criticize and call everything the west has a meme that won't work
until china comes up with something a decade later that's an equivalent and then they talk about how revolutionary it is
it's just boring at this point
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>>31856938
Are you seriously comparing a aircraft radar to a shipborne radar?
You might as well say the Navy should replace all the SM-6 with ESSM
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>>31857195
>>Posts thread about simple chinese squad-based rocket warhead defeating 1800mm of RHA, BTFO latest Abrams frontal armor.
No seriously sauce pls
I'm an armor nerd.
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>>31857264
>unironically buying into PRC propaganda
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>>31857335
look at the catalog.
no sources though
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>>31857288
Are you seriously saying that Naval Aviation isn't a far more important factor in Naval combat than ship combat?
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>>31857335
>>31853665
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>>31857350
>Look in the catalog
Can't, my VPN doesn't allow access to it for some reason
If you have a link or a name or a key source I'd like to have it!
Also the Abrams frontal RHAe value is usually Conservatively assumed to be 1, 100mm RHAe vs long rod penetrators but HEAT tends to vary widely, I've heard as low as 1,450 for the M1A2 to as high as 2200. Of course this comes to the problem that HEAT has more factors than just the charge going for it. Liner, diameter and more play a role more and more and, while you might crank 1,100mm RHAe out of a HEAT jet, if that device is huge then the jet displaces energy faster against composite and as such has reduced effectivness.
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>>31857195
>>31857195
But it doesn't matter because the moment we stop buying chinese made goods, all chinese people immediately starve to death.
You guys destroyed your own country, sold your children into slavery to make our shit in sweatshops, and allowed ungodly amounts of corruption for just a hope of becoming relevant in the world one day.
But the future belongs to us. Chink population control is inevitable
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>>31857351
I'm saying you are a dense motherfucker
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>be chinese
>die of lung cancer
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>>31857105
>China's military history is far from glorious
It's still the biggest, most influential country in Asia.
Just imagine if they were good at fighting!
>China's military is untested and uncertain.
Americucks thinks dropping bombs on Kebabs constitutes "tested".
And losing BTW.
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Malaysia to buy navy vessels from China in blow to U.S.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-malaysia-china-defence-idUSKCN12S0WA
>Najib's visit follows that of the Philippines president Rodrigo Duterte, who announced the country's "separation" from the United States and signed a raft of memoranda of understanding for Chinese investment in the country.
>Last week, Malaysia announced a 2 billion ringgit ($476.19 million) cut to its 2017 defense budget from last year's levels.
>A project to develop an amphibious corps was among those jettisoned, said Euan Graham, director of the international security program at the Lowy Institute, a Sydney-based think-tank.
>"It was the U.S. marines who were liaising with the Malaysians on that," Graham said.
>"So a U.S.-backed initiative has effectively died now," Graham said. "At the same time, a new bridge has been opened to China. If you put those together, whether it's been by Malaysia's design or not, it does send a combined signal of pulling back from the U.S. and outreach to China."
If america is so great, why are your """"""allies"""""" turning their backs on you?
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>>31857517
>most influential
You mean Japan
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>>31851837
>it's another delusional Chink thread posting China stronk again
When will you stupid cunts fuck off?
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>>31857488
>be in US
>get shot
>die or heart attack
>get immobilized when electric wheelchair falls over
>die when organs are crushed by your own weight
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>be chinese
>die in traffic
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>>31857534
>Japan
>influencial in anything but shitty pop-culture
Japan wasnt relevant since the late 80s.
China is where money lies. And money is what people want.
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This tread has turned into cancer. PRC shills kys
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>>31857558
You mean Hong Kong.
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>>31857564
thread stage:
>Amerifats get triggered and resort to name-calling.
next stage:
>Victory for China
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>>31857564
I would almost prefer flags to be instituted at this point. The amount of prc shilling is laughable.
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>>31857578
HK isnt relevant since the mainland openened up.
Shanghai is much more relevant thatn HK these days. You can already see how all the actors and directors of old HK cinema move over to the mainland to work there.
HK always was just a gate to China. On its own, it was unimportant. Now that China has opened, HK isnt needed anymore.
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>>31857590
That would be nice.
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>>31857590
I'd prefer ID's over flags.
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>>31857610
>>31857614
Either would be good to prevent the shitposting and shilling.
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>>31857578
HK has lost a lot of relevance, and will continue to do so when Shanghai completely takes over as the financial hub of China.
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>>31857646
as long as chinkfag is right, there is no amount of flags and IDs to prevent him spreading the truth.
Even on /int/ he is increasingly BTFO americucks.
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>>31857008
well, if you think anyone taking a contrarian view is a fucking shill, maybe you should just shut the fuck up and not read the thread? Because clearly you're part of the fucking problem.
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>>31857664
Who could be behind this post?
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>>31857664
>talking about yourself in the 3rd person
Not falling for its last bump your shit thread will get xia quang.
Autism speaks
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>>31857105
Ask vietnam how 1979 went. Or india in 1962.
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>be chinese
>can't swim and have to import water because we ruined most of our water making ipods for Western countries
:( they'll take us serious some day..
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>>31857534
Takeshi plz.
China:
paper
gunpowder
...few other things I guess...
Japan:
???
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>>31857703
that pic doesnt say shit about shit, probably red sediment from the rivers feeding into that waterway. get some chemical samples and run the tests before you just post shit out your ass
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>>31857743
Are you really that dense?
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>>31857703
>Swimming in a port
Please tell me you don't do this
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>>31857743
>be chinese
>my life is shit
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Talk is cheap.
If China is a bad-ass now, they should start some shit and see what happens. If they have the edge they'll win, right?
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>>31857743
I'm s-sure it's just sediment guys...
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>>31857743
That's enough gutter oil for today, Chong Wu.
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>be chinese
>have to take a shit
Do it right fucking there
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>>31857881
Literally sub-humans
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>>31857841
uh, what do they do with that, or do i not want to know?
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>be chinese man
>die alone
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>>31857823
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuyahoga_River
At least it didn't catch on fire like in Cleveland.
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>>31857920
Basically it's much cheaper than oil.
"Another version of gutter oil uses discarded animal parts, animal fat and skins, internal organs, and expired or otherwise low-quality meat which is then cooked in large vats in order to extract the oil."
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>>31857966
i had a wild notion of what it would be used for but yeah, i didnt want to know.
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>>31857966
>gutter oil
I can't fathom how many health issues will come from that. Opening the sewer manhole without checking with an air sensor is like Russian roulette with poison gas.
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>be overseas chink looking at this thread
>be butthurt
Wat do?
inb4 snarky reply resulting me in getting rekt
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>>31857962
It's ok, we have tons more waters.
Unlike china which has 20% of the world's population and only 7% of the worlds freshwater reserves, almost half of which is polluted beyond human consumption.
>be chinese
>arrowhead water is sold as super premium water
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>>31857881
Literally no person of ethnic Chinese descent outside of China will stoop that low to shit in public.
Fucking mainlanders are lower than low.
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>be chinese
>all the fish died
:'(
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>>31857705
Japan:
Hentai
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>>31858107
>hentai
The most precious resource.
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>>31857932
>MFW when I got to sleep with a HK beauty during her interchange program
>MFW Zheng No Dong is going to die a virgin
Feels good man.
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>>31857195
You missed the part where an anon objectively proven that for its tonnage the 001A sucks dick at being a carrier.
001 was a mistake.
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>>31852258
>>31852287
>>31852423
I'm pretty sure this is just a picture of the original Russian vessel while it was being repaired and upgraded. The new Chinese one isn't this far along, is it?
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>>31860454
it is.
The AESA-mounts are tell tale signs
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