This is what CZfags think is "normal"

>>31849377
Jesus chirst, it's a fucking cosmetic thing. New Hi-Powers have tooling marks and no-one bitches about them, why is CZ guilty all of a sudden?

>inb4 CZ owner detected

Don't own any of their handguns.

>>31849437
the price has been jacked up but the quality has stayed the same
at a $300-400 pricepoint toolmarks like that are reasonable and expected.
at the 500-600 cz charges now its shit but hype and the decrease of the dollar caused it.

>>31849453
What about the $950 that Browning charges?

>>31849461
new brownings are built pretty damn nice and its not like you can get a new production hipower anywhere else.
a fair comparison would be a 92fs/m9 since the price range is roughly the same. the berreta shits all over cz in terms of craftsmanship

>>31849476
Not him, but you must be really strong. I hear moving goalposts is quite the workout

>>31849377
How does it even fire?

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>>31849377

That's pretty tame as far as CZ is concerned.

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Shit I guess I'll just throw it away

>>31849888
That's actually unacceptable for a $600 gun.

>>31850172
What effect do you shitheels think this has on the gun? Because it has none.

>>31849377
I don't even like CZ and I think that's fine.

>>31849377
wait a sec
it's on the inside of the gun
nobody sees the inside of the gun
why is this a problem

>>31851441
>nobody sees the inside of the gun
Exactly. And they know the average gun owner never disassembles their gun even once, so they can get away with it. They take time to make sure the outside looks passable while they fuck up the insides where it actually counts. Every little tool mark you see in there is an invitation for a stress fracture. It's also extremely rough on the gun's bearing surfaces which increases friction, wears down the gun faster, makes the action feel more gritty, and increases the chance for a malfunction when the gun gets dirty.

Of course it's on the inside where nobody can see it. If it was on the outside nobody would buy it.

>>31851483
oh, now i understand
tool marks invite stress fractures
i thought it just looked bad

>>31851483
aaaaand they are still better than any 1911. just sayan.

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Look at this fucking polycoat finish

>>31851483
"talking-out-of-your-ass"
The post.

>>31851507
That appears to have been repainted multiple times improperly.

>>31851483

>stress fractures
>wears the gun down

wew lad

>>31849377
If your that booty blasted about it you can smooth it out yourself. Lets get some other examples of steel framed handguns under 900

>>31851495
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEU(SOC)_pistol

>A Marine operator may shoot as many as 80,000 rounds from this pistol during a training-cycle and subsequent deployment.[9] However, it is more common for a Marine to return the pistol to the PWS at Quantico for a rebuild after 10,000 rounds have been fired.[10] A rebuild entails discarding almost all of the gun's parts except for the frame, which prior to 2003 was a U.S. Government frame last manufactured in 1945.[9] The frame is inspected and reused if it is still within military specifications.[9][10] There are frames in the USMC inventory that have had as many as 500,000 rounds fired through them.[9]

>The Officer In Command of the Precision Weapons Shop in 2001, Chief Warrant Officer 5 Ken Davis, stated that the M1911 is "the only pistol that can stand up to this use".[9]

lol, my ass.

>>31851524
probably with nail polish too.

>>31851515
"CZ Fanboys: When Will They Learn"
The post.

>>31851527
"CZ Fanboys: Cognitive Dissonance"
The sequel.

>>31851585
Did a Czech guy fuck your girlfriend or something OP?

>>31851687
I'm not OP. Just another anon here to laugh at you CZfags defending your trash steel that looks like it was machined with a fingernail file.

>>31851736
still beats 1911s.

>>31849377

I like it, desu.

You probably own a glock.

>>31851788
And WHY the fuck do you think I agree or disagree with this statement? I haven't said shit about 1911s, I don't give a rat's ass about 1911s, okay it beats 1911s, who gives a fuck

>>31849951
I'm a new CZ owner, what do the stamped numbers on the inside of the frame mean? They don't correspond to my serial number at all (not the last 3 digits or anything). Is it a date code?

>>31851935
because people who go make threads to shit on other firearms are usually firmly in the "1911=GOAT!" camp. it's an educated guess.

>>31852000
For the second time, I am not OP. Please learn to fucking read

>>31852011
Sorry, but these trips >>31852000 overrule your dubs, OP.

>>31851975
might be the number out of a manufacturing batch (ex. 960 of 1000)

>>31851483
Machinist here. You're a fucking retard.

>>31852216
>comparing CZ to Glock Perfection

That's not fair mate and you know it.

>>31849377
Glorious ComBloc design not need better machining tovarich. Work just fine as is.
CZ is not finicky American design which will not run if insides not polished ot mirror sheen.

i have two cz pistols, i love them, but i will admit that the internals are pretty wrought with tool marks. i dont mind it though desu as these are high quality pistols for a damn good price considering. i wish these czechs would put in more effort for aesthetics sake but i think theyve got a different philosophy in mind. the internals of my cz dont keep my up at night and my sp01 has some mean marks

>>31850172
>That's actually unacceptable for a $600 gun.
Oh man, you'd fucking faint if you saw the internals on a new-production Beretta inox

>>31852339
post pics pls. I too hate Baretta.

>>31852386
No pics anymore because I sold mine, but there were milling marks on the bottom of both slide rails that put the CZ's to shame

Honestly if CZs had better manufacturing, finishes, and QC for $100 higher MSRP I think they would draw a lot of the SIG crowd.

>>31852398
yeah, they are shit, not just their manual of arms but their materials and manufacture too. meanwhile, Glocks look like genetically engineered perfect babies grown in vats.

>>31852474

>SIG crowd

I think those are just germ/swiss boos for the most part, no? there is no other reason to get a sig.

>>31852318
>CZ is not finicky American design which will not run if insides not polished ot mirror sheen.

They're maintenance heavy, require fitting when you replace parts, and are not reliable enough to fit most forces' standards, which is why they aren't in service with any relevant outfit in numbers that would count for something.
They have good ergos and above average accuracy for what they (used to) cost, and if you spend a lot of money on fixing the factory fuckups and replacing 2/3 of the parts you can have a great racegun out of a Shadow or TS, but that's about it.
CZ could have built up on their success and improved their standards, but they chose to keep churning out sub-par handguns for the CZ meme crowd instead.

>>31852559
they are leagues better than M9s, wtf are you talking about.

>>31852559
>They're maintenance heavy
How do they require more maintenance than a Beretta or Sig?
>require fitting when you replace parts
Which parts?
> and are not reliable enough to fit most forces' standards
Citation?
>which is why they aren't in service with any relevant outfit in numbers that would count for something.
The huge numbers of surplus CZ 75's and CZ 75 clones out there tells a different tale.
>They have good ergos and above average accuracy for what they (used to) cost,
Accounting for inflation, the cost hasn't changed that much.
>and if you spend a lot of money on fixing the factory fuckups and replacing 2/3 of the parts you can have a great racegun out of a Shadow or TS, but that's about it.
Why do you think competition shooters like them?
>CZ could have built up on their success and improved their standards, but they chose to keep churning out sub-par handguns for the CZ meme crowd instead.
Actually, their standards do seem to have improved. My 2016 SP-01 had an incredibly smooth trigger out of the box. Usually, I'll expect a new CZ 75 trigger to be gritty and then smooth out a little after shooting 100 rounds through it. This was as smooth as I could have expected it to be, and I have very high standards for triggers.

>>31852618
>How do they require more maintenance than a Beretta or Sig?
cz springs are shit the longevity is a inconsistent crapshoot

>>31852628
At least the guns don't start to malfunction after 2000 rounds when their recoil springs get slightly weakened, like Sigs.

>>31852542
you forget the anchor

>>31852542
>I think those are just germ/swiss boos for the most part, no? there is no other reason to get a sig.
I think it's a lot of people that are obsessed with buying quality and buy once cry once types. Even if it's to the extent that they are just chasing price tags or justifying the next slight improvement for a "measly" $100. Basically I think CZ should Have an "elite" line that is just their base models slightly improved and they should advertise the shit out of them.

source: I'm gonna buy a mk25 or Legion in the next few months because I hate my wallet.

>>31852618
>How do they require more maintenance

I don't know many guns where it's common practice to bring a slide stop with you to avoid having your range trip ruined when it breaks.

inb4
>hurrrr has not happened to me, my 75 works fine and I have all of 500 rounds thru it!!1

>>31852663
that is a thing of the past

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>>31852663
>I learned everything I know about CZs from the internet
>you can't prove me wrong with any amount of evidence because >>anecdotal

Why do you expect people to engage with you when you reject empiricism?

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Look at this shit, brand new CZ piece of shit.

Im glad I own my HKs

>>31852661
>Basically I think CZ should Have an "elite" line that is just their base models slightly improved and they should advertise the shit out of them.

economically, I don't think that makes sense. you' have 2 production lines and that always means more expenses.

>>31852663
One guys slide stop broke once and now it's all CZ slide stops always break.

No one besides but you noguns faggots actually worries about this. Everyone who actually owns CZs likes them even though you constantly post about how it will break.

If you keep posting enough then people will finally believe you. Just make a few more and it will happen.

>>31851483
>And they know the average gun owner never disassembles their gun even once

wtf?! How do you thoroughly clean it then?

>>31852704
>wtf?! How do you thoroughly clean it then?
according to the rust in:
>>31852198
you don't

>>31852685
Yes, we heard you the first time, kid.
>>31851507

>>31852701
people who believe czs dont break are the delusional ones who havent put enough rounds through it to notice the flaws.
people who have shot the gun enough recognize the guns longevity isnt that great compared to other guns but they still like cz since they fell in love while breaking it. you just buy a bunch or replacement springs and a few slidestops that you keep on hand.

of course if you like czs and point out their deficiencies that you learned through experience the cz defense force mobs you.

>>31852715
I only own a revolver for now, but I thoroughly clean and grease it after EVERY visit to the range, thinking of buying a SIG when collecting enough moneys (brokefag yuropean itt), will do the same. That's what my dad told me to do from like... me being 10 when he gave his revolvers to me for cleaning. I mean, isn't it basic knowledge that even if you do not know anything about guns, you get told by the seller, like "Don't forget to strip and clean sir, it is useful to do once in a while"? Jesus ....

>>31852747
If you haven't broken many CZs personally, then you are the delusional one.

>>31852788
breaking a cz takes time and money
>they break
>evidence supports it
>claiming that the person citing this is wrong, since he didn't experience it himself, on multiple (sic!) cz's..
>retarded

>>31852800
What evidence? All that is just anecdotal and therefore not acceptable in a court of law.
>it happened to someone else in some freak situation
>therefore all cz's break

We already dismissed this kind of "argumentation" in >>31852663
Your own words:
>inb4
>>hurrrr has not happened to me, my 75 works fine and I have all of 500 rounds thru it!!1

Also, >>31852800
>on multiple (sic!) cz's..
Wtf are you doing?

>>31852747
>>31852800
things break. I have a backup recoil spring and striker in my bags. other people carry backup guns. if you don't, what the fuck are you even doing on k?

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>>31852822
>What evidence?

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>>31849437
>New Hi-Powers have tooling marks and no-one bitches about them,

Actually, we bitch about it plenty. In a czech pistol that MSRPs for $550 I wouldnt mind, but new Hi Powers cost an upwards of $900 and are made in Belgium. Fuck that, I bought a Hungarian Hi Power for half the price with the same level of quality. And Hungarian Hi Powers have lighter hammer springs as well.

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>>31852830
>he posted a meme of a chicken

Ya sure showed me!!

>>31852788
ive broken multiple parts mostly springs
the fact that springs break isnt the issue every gun requires maintenance.
the problem is some springs will break randomly well before their expected life span is up.
its easy to replace em but fuck trusting that gun for practical use

>>31850244
When you slowly rack the slide of a well polished and tightly made 1911, that sensation of smoothness will give you a 60% chub nearly instantly.

Working the slide on a gun with tooling marks just isn't the same. Even the crunchiest, most satisfying pull of the slide will only get you to a 50% chub at most.

>>31851507
CZs finishes are ugly, but someone fucked that up in an attempt to fix someone elses fuckup, I'd bet. I've been considering buying a surplus CZ when they come in from AimSurplus just to strip it down and hot blue it.

>>31852843
Every gun experiences springs breakage. Your anecdotal evidence is not convincing.

>>31852850
>1911

Here we go. The 1911 Defense Squad has arrived.

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>>31852864
The finished flecked off when I rubbed remoil on it

>>31852830
butthurt ukr degenerate?

>>31852887
great, now cerakote it in FDE nutn!

>>31852872
It was an example, you mong. Replace 1911 with any high quality steel framed handgun.

>>31852871
i dont care if you believe me. ive had this argument too many times to give a shit. the only way you will accept the truth is with the passage of rounds through your gun. given the fact /k/ is full of poorfags you may never reach that point.

>>31852887
>Using remoil
>ever

You dun goofed. Rem oil is notoriously shitty

>>31852929
>You dun goofed. Rem oil is notoriously shitty
well it would seem its the geatest solvent ever....

>>31852925
>high quality steel framed handgun.
there really aren't that many of those around really.

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>>31849377
doesn't bother me, try harder faggot

>>31853059
I can think of a few. Tangfolio CZs, S&W5906 and others, the 92fs(although that's aluminum, it's close enough), Hi powers, and 1911s are the big players.

>>31852021
This is what I thought it was

>>31849951
I mean, the only thing close to tooling marks on my SP01 is a couple spots on polycoat on the inside of the frame.

>>31849377

It works and the gun is more accurate than most 9mm guns on the market. I really don't see a problem. I'd rather have a gun $100 cheaper than have a nigger polish all the irrelevant surfaces for hours.

>>31853337

> Gun is more accurate than most 9mm guns on market
> Opinion backed up by.... nothing.

CZfags are probably worse than 1911fags and Glockfags combined.

>>31853408
so whats better

>>31853551
HK
Glock
Steyr

>>31853656
>HK
>Steyr

No. Just no. No.

>Glock

yes.

>>31853673
>HK pistols are worse than a CZ
Wew, Lad

>>31849377
Czechaboos on suicide watch

>>31853656
A bcm ar15 is better than all those

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CZs are for people that want to operate. They are trash and on the same tier as Glock and SIG. HK is life.

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>>31853691
>implying they're better

>>31853656

On what objective measure are they better than CZ?

Atleast every HK and Glock product I have ever tried has had much worse triggers (even USP Expert and G17 Pro) than a regular CZ 75 and no advantage in reliablity or accuracy.

>>31853719
>operate
>M&P
>HK

you got your priorities right man, expensive secondary and budget primary.

>>31853784
I have more than one rifle and handgun m80, those are just what's laying around my room.
>HK
>expensive
Looooool

>>31853719
shouldnt you be shilling canik?

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>>31853714
And that is why I own one of those as well
>>31853725
>a P30
Nasty
>>31853782
>
Atleast every HK and Glock product I have ever tried has had much worse triggers (even USP Expert and G17 Pro) than a regular CZ 75 and no advantage in reliablity or accuracy.
Confirmed noguns
>>31853797
>buying turkshit

>>31853797
I do all the time friend. Much better value than CZ.

>>31853809
its muslimbro he used to shill canik over cz constantly

>>31853821
I would take a jennings/bryco/hipoint over a CZ

>>31853821
>used to
Still do.
>>31853828
I wouldn't go that far.

>>31853809

>posting chinese cartoon images and claiming others don't have guns

What kind of a faggot would do that?

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>>31853829
>I wouldn't go that far.
I already did

>>31853838
lol that's pretty great, is it reliable?

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>>31853844
The mark23? Sure
The Jennings? If you touch the slide while it cycles it will malfunction. I shot a stump with some 25 out of it and the rounds just bounced off and rolled towards me, not really the fault of the pistol

>>31853859
>>31853844
Additionally it is police evidence from a murder case so It worked against someone atleast once

>>31849377

$300 Taurus has less tooling marks. Shouldn't they be making these on a CNC Mill anyway? More volume and less labor.

>>31849888
This is actually worse than my 1943 Mosin.

>>31851483
Stress fractures, no; hiding places for fouling and corrosion over time, yes.

>>31852216
Are they still making guns by hand over there or something? Finish is acceptable on the CZ, but comparing that to a CNC'd part isn't fair.

>>31852887
Rem oil is 50% Mineral Spirits mixed with an oil about the viscosity of Kerosene (Check MSDS sheet if you disagree) It's a OK cleaner, but shit-tier rust preventative and lubricant.

Your finish was just crap to begin with.

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>>31849476
the Arcus DAC is basically a hi power for 300-350.
Ugly tool marks as well but a surprisingly smooth pistol.

Can also be decent looking as well
pic related

>>31852864
hot bluing in salt is easy as fuck man. I did it with a Hi Power I got from AIM, and it took longer for the salt to get up to temp than anything else.

>>31849377
I'm an ex-machinist fag. I find this highly aesthetic

>>31849377
Confirmed to have never machined anything in your life faggot.

>>31852474

Yeah. They're called Sphinx's

>>31849453
>$300-400
ahh, this meme again.
Properly adjusting for inflation, new CZs were never this cheap

>>31855753
then what about other guns that have stayed the same exact price? examples being beretta and glock

>>31849377
hngggggg

thats pretty bad senpai. change the fucking cutting tool omfg

>>31854741
>hillary clinton caught pneumonia on the campaign trail and it's AWESOME

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>>31849377
CZ fag here
older models have machining marks yes.
zero impact on reliability and accuracy, just ugly.

pic related, mine

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>>31858492
Another.
Their QA has gone up.

>>31853408
>is more accurate than most 9mm guns on market
but it literally is senpai

>>31852685
>Interarms
>New

Isn't this an import?

>>31849377
why do autists think it matters

>>31859129
Sig and Glock fags mad about CZs again.

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>buys American and has zero of these problems

enjoy your overpriced European pistols

>>31859270
what affordable and reliable american brand are you talking about again?

>>31858492
>>31858505
No, they just improved their parkerizing and polycoat to cover up the tool marks better.

>>31852833
What a beautiful finish

>>31859350
And that would be improving the quality in a fashion.
The tooling marks are way smaller than some of the original models though.
Not that it actually matters.

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>>31852216
>comparing new vs used

>>31859338
THIS

>>31852070
Metallurgist here. You're the retard.

>>31855939
autos used to be a lot more expensive.
crack an old shooter's bible sometime.
you can find an old fat fudd blindly chucking them into the crowd at your local gun show

>>31859643

The problem is that even new CZs look used and even used Glocks look new.

>>31859643
Huh? Do you understand how the tooling marks got there on that CZ?

>>31849377
>>31852216
>>31852245
>>31859862
>>31860710
Why is it so hard to understand that all-metal hammer-fired pistols are more expensive to manufacture than a fucking Glock? You want superior fit and finish, fine. Spend the extra cash and get a Sphinx or Custom model.