Milsurp thread

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I bought this at auction and am now awaiting delivery. Waiting patiently.

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>>31845580
Nice Berthier! Probably my favorite rifle to collect. I need more! Is it matching? Is it N marked? Got clips?

>sent in cmp garand order while they were in stock
>they ran out before mine got processed

fucking REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCK YOU FUCKING DFAGGOTS

>>31845616
Mismatching, not sure about the Balle N mark. It comes with 5 clips. Here's the auction:
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/593300663

I love my Lebel and my MASen. If I ever get an RSC 1917 I'll be able to die happy.

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>>31845616
>>31845580
Also, how much?
>>31845625
They'll get more in. They always do.

>>31845570
It's too dark and I don't want to turn on the lights so:
*insert K31.jpg*

>>31845641
$455, plus shipping, transfer and the clips.

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>>31845641
>They'll got more
Don't be so sure.

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My Singapore Police Force Webley.

Also, some dinner.

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Not mine.

>>31845640
>I love my Lebel and my MASen.
Pics.
>>31845657
I think that's kinda high, but I can understand those prices now. It probably is N marked, like most are.

>>31845674
Color me jealous.

>>31845665
They shouldn't be completely out just yet.

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>>31845691
Oh you wanna see a Mas?

I need to get a 49/56. Stupid fucking furniture.

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>>31845691
Here's an old, shitty photo of the collection.

>>31845723
>Ross 1910
You don't still have that do you?

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>>31845739
I do, but it's currently over 100 miles away from me.

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>>31845756
What would it take to convince you that maybe I should have it instead?

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I just traded a 1940 BSA No.1 MkIII* SMLE w/ bayonet for this, a vz24 bayonet (w/scabbard+frog), and a random Carcano bayonet.
She's a 1911 Carl Gustafs Gevär m/96. Parts matching, stock disc rates the barrel as a "2", though by my inspection it looks a fair bit brighter than that. The stock's a little dinged up but in good shape, and the whole thing looks to have a really nice original finish. Somehow, I've managed to go this long without owning a Mauser, so this is my first.

How'd I do, /k/?

>>31845786
What've you got to trade? I'm in the market for a P14 or a good Mannlicher M95/34.

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>>31845691
Also here's my 36/51

>>31845815
>P14
That I can do. Doesn't have a volley sight but does have the cutout and disk for one.

>>31845866
You may have to be patient, I'm active duty stuck in Cali for a while. Thanks for the interest though.

>>31845813
How does the cock on close feel on that? I've never gotten the chance to fingerfuck a swedish mauser.

T B H senpai, I would have either kept the enfield with the nice sword bayonet, or traded it for a german mauser, just my opinion. Not saying that a swedish mauser isn't nice though

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>>31845892
Time is one thing I have plenty of.

>>31845897
It's nicer than the SMLE's cock-on-close, honestly. And I would've kept the Enfield, but I have another Long Branch No.4 that I prefer to shoot, anyway.I felt the m/96 had more value in my collection.

>>31845813
I'd say you did alright.
I like my Swedish Mauser, I've noticed the prices for them have been going up lately.

>stock disc rates the barrel as a "2"
The Swedes had high tolerances for barrels. I seen barrels marked 3 (which meant replace by swede standards) shoot sub moa all day.

>>31845674
>safety on a revolver

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>>31845940
I respect your choice.
I've just always have a huge desire to own the classical WW1-looking no.1 mk3 with the fuckhuge sword bayonet, I've always found it to be
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do you have any pics of yours before you traded it?
(Pic not mine)

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>>31846003
Not him but I use to own 2 no1 mk3 with bayonets.
Ended up selling one to Cabela's for more than I paid, which is good since it had terrible pitting in the bore.
But I love my sword bayonets.
Nothing says get fucked Commie like a sword hanging off your gun.

>>31846041
Plz don't hurt kitty

Post more A E S T H E T I C Enfields with bayonets

>>31846065
Give me a minute.
Busy making Dino chicken nuggets.

I'm interested in picking up a Luger. The milsurp side of me is obviously wanting a surplus 9mm model, but the collector side of me would be happy with either a military model or a commercial model. From my understanding, military models are generally more expensive but commercial models are generally not as expensive and easier to find in nicer shape than a surplus model. I'm not looking to spend a few grand on some super collectible model; I'd be happy spending around $1000-$1500 on something in a decent enough condition, although matching numbers is more important to me than condition (to an extent, I'd take a mismatched gun in super nice shape over a matching rust bucket that I couldn't safely shoot). I'm really on the fence about .30 or 9mm.

For those of you with commercial models, how easy/difficult is it for you to get your hands on .30 Luger for a decent price? If I pick one up if want to shoot it some, not heavily but enough to become familiar with the function and feel of the gun.

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>>31846065
No1 is a 1916 Enfield ftr in 1925 so the barrel looks great.
No4 mk 2 is a 8/49 with matching bayonet.

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does anyone own an m1917? ive been looking for one ever since i played verdun and i love the rifle in that game. i would love advice on where to get and properly care for one.

>>31846233
I have one, not in great shape. I don't have a photo, unfortunately. I bought it at a gun show. Treat it like a regular Mauser, feed it good ammo and love it.

>>31846246
how much did you pay for it?

>>31846531
I have since forgotten, sorry. I know that I'd like to own a better example, though.

>>31846003
I do, but I'm away from my computer at the moment.
I am gonna miss that 17 inches of fuck you, but Enfields look like they've plateaued in value, so I could always get another down the road. That particular SMLE always gave me issues anyway. Bore looked fine, but it tended to throw anything that wasn't PPU all over the fucking place, and never wanted to feed anything other than softpoints. Never could work out quite why. Personally, I think it was haunted.

>>31845714

theyll get more of the shit grades in, service grades are as good as dead though

they should have limited them to 3 per year a long time ago

you just know bubba faggots ordered 8 immediately as the latest batch came in and immediately listed them on gunbroker

>>31846779
I think the limit is like 6 M1s a year iirc. lol

FN High Powers can't chamber 124 grain hollow points.

got a free box of sig sauer hp ammo. tried to chamber one and the slide caught and needed a tap to chamber.

>>31847363
My FN Hi Power eats anything and everything no problem, I don't know what's up with yours.

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>>31846233
I found a local downsizing his collection, idk where to really get 0ne.

I just saw Hickock45's new video of the Winchester 97 takedown and now I seriously want one. Hell, ever since I saw the trench gun in Call of Duty 3 when I was younger I wanted one. Anyway, does anyone know of a comprehensive guide to different models and shit? I know of the norinco repros which run about over 200 dollars at least, as well as the milspec versions with barrel shrouds and bayonet lugs which I heard command REALLY high prices.

>>31846156
Tbh ive seen commercial luger go for more money than 9mm versions.

>>31847538
Never seen. . . .

>>31847164

its 8, but it was just changed this year. it used to be a lot more than that

>>31847440
Mine is a Mk2 and Jew surplus.

from what I have read. the feed ramps are wrong for anything but 115g ball. until you get to later guns and barrels.

>>31847363
^^this poster is wrong

>t.hi-power owner

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>>31846003
>>31846666
If anyone still cares, here's a picture of the old Lee.

>>31849190
>Magazine cut-off
Did it have the volley sights too? If so, you got hosed in that trade chief.

>>31849224
>>31849190

Nevermind, I'm retarded.

>>31849231
Yeah, it was just one one the MkIII*'s that had the mag cut-off readded at the beginning of WWII for god-knows-why.

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tfw no unsporterized SMLE

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LGS owner called me about some nuggets he's bringing in this week, says they're all in "good" shape and wants ~ $225 for gun/bayo and he may have some ammo pouches and a tool lying around. Anything I can look for in particular to make sure I'm not taken for a ride?

>>31849190
Absolutely gorgeous

>>31845963
I don't think all stock disks are correct anyway, some have obviously been replaced and in any case it's been years since they were stamped and the rifle has likely been shot since then; making their indicated condition possibly innacurate. Still though, it's hard to find a shot out Swedish Mauser.

Is gunbroker a good pllace to buy guns? Im looking for a Steyr M95, carbine preferably.

Everything price wise seems worse than my LGS.

>>31846233
>does anyone own an m1917?
I know it's sacraligeous to even mention sporters in these threads but I picked up a sporter M1917 for very little money. I though that since it's already been fucked beyond repair I might as well make use of it, it's still a working firearm. It's a bit like a girl with burn scars or a missing leg, she needs love too even if she feels inadequate. And besides the actions are wonderful and fun to use.

It had surface rust in places that needed cleaning, and it looks like someone used some shitty cold blue on it because it's got a mix of different finishes. Once I get the stock worked out I might see if I can adress the issue of the finish, I don't trust it not to develop rust at the slightest sign of moisture. I'll put a 3-9x40 on it and have a nice little rifle, albeit a sadly butchered one.

I want a correct one, but finding them in decent condition for reasonable money isn't that easy around here.

>>31849355
Just check the bore for serious pitting, along with the bolt face. That's a good price these days.
>>31849781
If you know how to shop it's great. I get most of my guns off Gunbroker, because none of my local shops carry milsurp. You just have to research your shit, which you should be doing for milsurp anyways.

>>31846233
I picked up one for a song ($370) in great shape a few years back at a gun store in Long Island.
You still may have a decent chance of people not having a fucking clue what it is like I did.
Scour gun stores, and Gun shows. Gunbroker is probably your best bet.
There really isn't too much to it, it's a mauser style cock on close and the official US Army manual for maintenance, care and zeroing it is available for free in PDF form - light coat of oil will keep it purring.

>>31849781
Just check seller reviews, make sure you get a bore shot, and check the going rate of the gun before you buy and you'll be alright

>>31849789
Is the barrel cut down?
Even if it's fucked you might be able to restore it into a M1917 Carbine:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/01/16/m1917-carbine/

And make buku bucks off of it

>>31850240
It was pretty decently done Remington, by someone who knew gunsmithing. The sight ears were ground off and it was drilled properly, the barrel is military but I can't tell the date because it's been chopped down to 22". It's in an old laminate stock and should make a good shooter once I get the bases sorted out, it's going to be pillar bedded too.

Unfortunately this seemed to be done to a lot of them because people wanted .30-06 hunting rifles and 1917s were cheap and strong.

>>31845813
You certainly did well. I have an unissued one from 1967, arsenal refurb and another from 1902 both with unmarked discs and mint bores. Swede is my favorite Mauser

Is my best bet to find a nice k31 gunbroker? What should i bother paying for one?


This might be better for the reloading thread but is the hornandy or rcbs kit better? I figure besides the press and dies im gonna need calipers, a case trimmer, and a brass cleaner. Ive got a manual already. Is there anything im missing

>>31850646
Fuck no all K31 on GunBroker are posted by the same god damn fudd. Armslist and a random lgs is your best bet. do not exceed $600 for an absolutely mint one. I still see them around for $450-$500

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>>31850240
I used to own that gun, and every time I see her whored out, I cry a little inside.

But you're an asshole for telling him to make a fake.

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>>31850626
They're really nice. I can't quite figure what happened to this one, I know it was converted and refurbished into a m/38 at Carl Gustafs after that best guess is that it was in Germany for a while (evidenced by German proof marks), some time between then and now the stock has been changed to one of a very close serial number, and I'm sure it's been lightly sanded too. All metalwork matches though apart from the bolt release catch, bore is great and it shoots like a Swede. My eyes aren't really suited to open sights thought.

>>31850680
Most swedes have reissued stocks. How many crown marks does it have? Each crown mark indicates a factory overhaul

>>31850680
It's also hard that they are factory zeroed in for 300 m.

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>>31850690
Yeah, thing is all the marks were obliterated by the sanding. The hand grooves are also slightly rounded, otherwise though you couldn't tell it was sanded.

I would have thought that their arsenals would have re-stamped the stocks though. This one is weird because it's got a stock from an earlier serial number range than 1916 (when the rifle was made), but that serial number has been stamped out with a line and another number, close to the receiver's serial number, has been added. I would need to take it down again to have another look, but that's the situation as I recall it. I can only assume that at some point, around the time they were surplused, either the Swedish military swapped the stock for another rifle before selling them off or a dealer bought a batch and swapped one rifle's stock for another. I can only assume the real stock disk went with it.

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>>31850699
I forget the name of these sights, but it still has its original from when it was converted. I check zeroed it at 25m when I first got it and found the lowest elevation setting, 250 on this sight model, to shoot right on with my usual 6 'o clock hold.

Correct me if I'm wrong but there is another model of m/38 sight that is only adjustable from 300 to 600 or so, right?

>>31850753
Oh nice! That's a m38 vasteras micrometer sight graduated from 100-600 m. They are scarce. Yea the plain elevator sights start at 300

Looking to get a bayonet for my 1923 No1 Mk III*, what are my options? What is a good price? Where 2 cop?

>>31852161
A 1907 pattern bayonet, ebay

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>>31845570
Psst...
Hey kids...
Wanna see some rare MAS's?

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>>31854034
But wait there's more
Early MAS dabbling into assault rifle territory

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>>31854034
>>31854062
What Museum is this?

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>>31850680
Shame the stock was sanded down, but I always love storied rifles like that.
>>31849682
It was, but I honestly never quite made the connection with it that I do with most of my other milsurps. My beat-up No.4 has a certain character to it, whereas for whatever reason that SMLE just felt as sterile as a factory-new AR-15. Plus, with it being as much of a pain in the arse as it was to shoot, I just never really learned to love it.

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>>31854105
Actually, it's technically an armory since about 60% of the exposed models are functionals, and sometimes instructors take some to the range for fun.
It's in France, Coëtquidan military camp, Saint-Cyr military academy.
It's open to the public only once a year for the Triomphe ceremonies.
They have some pretty rare stuff in there, from about everywhere.

>>31854210
So that's where I need to plan my Oceans 11 type heist.

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>>31854240
Good luck with that.

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>>31854290
Thanks, I'll need it.

>>31854240
Fuck, I'm in. Dibs on one of those FAMAS's.

Whats a good price for a shitty 1897 that I might chop the barrel to make it a riot length.

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>>31854034
>7.62 NATO 49/56
Too much want. At least a couple got imported into the US though.
>one day

>>31854210
Thanks! If I'm ever in France during that time I'll try to see it.

>>31854963
Yeah, no.
The .308 49/56s in the US were rechambered at import, often quite sloppily.

>>31855048
Those are done by Century. However the French (Navy?) Did a few as well. These, supposedly, do not suffer from the reliability issues of the Century conversions.

Well /k/, just got this, how did I do?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Item/593497153

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>>31855048
There were also like 200 factory 7.62 NATO versions. There were also some made in .30-06 (the French were thinking about how many M1s they had in service at the time) and other various calibers as prototypes.
>>31855332
I don't like the goop that bubba plastered in the butt socket (look at pic 4), but other than that a 1923 made one isn't exactly common.

>>31855580
Hmm didn't catch that, good eye. I figured with the sights and the seemingly good condition I got a pretty good deal, but I won't know for sure until it arrives. I'll be happy as long as I can shoot it though, don't plan on selling it anytime soon.

>>31845570
Okay. How do I get a Styer M95 variant? And how hard is it to find ammo and clips?

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Long time lurker. Just got my first fun this weekend. She may not be much but she is mine

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>>31846233
Hello there. These happen to be my favorite rifles. They are rather difficult to find unsporterized, but they do pop up on Gunbroker, Armslist, and some places like collectors firearms. Be patient and you'll have one.

As for proper care, there's not much too it, it's a simple bolt, as others have mentioned it's simply a Mauser 98 with cock on close. Keep the bore clean and strip it and clean occasionally and it will always work.
You'll note the bottom rifle in my pic is a P14

Hey, I don't usually post in this thread, but do any of you have any super high quality Arisaka pictures? I was told you're the experts here. I've got a bit of a fetish for the thing and I need some Arisaka gun porn. Murata rifles would be awesome too.

>>31857944
Hey, I have one of those. It is a 10's manufacture that was sent to Britain during lend-lease according to the markings. Really good, light trigger, but kicks like a mother-fucker.

>>31854177
That is a pretty nice looking No4. I love rifles that still have Walnut stocks, unfortunately so many were changed out for Beech that it's not that common to find one with its original; sometimes it will be one that's been added later.

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>>31858017
I dunno about "super high quality" but I have a couple Arisakas.

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>There are people on this planet, right now, who think the MAS-36 is ugly

How can people have such shit taste?

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>>31859757
There are also people who think reality TV is worth watching. The world is full of proles.

Does someone know some good brands of m65 jackets available in europe?

>>31859788
Wromg thread bub. You want the other milsurp thread.

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>>31854290
>stens
>sterlings
>SA80

muh dick