Panic Buy Thread

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>>31810662
How much do we expect ammo to spike or have all the kooks stockpiled enough the last 4 years?

IMPORT MY FUCKING APC556 SWISSNIGS, REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>31810745

Best way to find out would be to view gunbot.com trends over time and expect any new war or civil war news to cause a big ol spike.

>>31810745
there will always be people who dont care until it happens and are willing to pay top dolalr for something. always.
there could be a fucking catastrophic disaster coming in a week and they would be sitting in the dark a week later paying $100 for a candle.
everyones got some kind of notion about what is going to be like in the coming months but we'll just have to wait and see

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>>31810773

>>31810662
Panic bought an AR15 2 pmags and 60 rds for about $800. It was a deal honest.

>>31810809

gunbot.net**

>>31810662
Used Glock 19 gen 3 and a couple boxes of 9mm fmj

>>31810662
Panic bought an LMT MWS.
Need to get an aftermarket lower for my SCAR now to share mags.....
Oh well.

Oh, and 5k rounds of 147gr 9mm, but that was drunken ordering more than anything.

Bought a Beretta 92fs Brigadier, but it wasn't a panic buy. That would have been if i bought the vepr. It was $850 either way so might as well get the choice with replacable parts.

>>31810662
Panic built a m16A2 clone.
Few steel Mags as well.

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>>31811159
Ops
Here's the Pic

>>31810662
I panic bought 2 50 count boxes of .22 for roughly 8 bucks. I'm absolutely terrified of everything going on around me.

>>31810831
>only 60 rounds

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Really hope things stay relatively quiet till at least around the end of next week. I haven't gotten paid yet.

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>>31811231
thats some real feels right there not getting payed till tomarrow... want to buy some range ammo so I don't use up my good ammo.

hoping to pick up a stripped lower at my lgs this weekend, possibly 2 if the price is right. is it still a panic buy if I have been shopping around for a few months?

>>31810662
Ammo. I'm stockpiling 7.62x39mm and thinking of another case of Golden Tiger (SGAMMO.COM, nigga). I'm also getting .22 LR whenever I can pay non-neckbeard prices for it--sitting on just shy of 10k now, but always looking for more.

>>31811257
Luckily for you, you don't even own guns so you're in the clear.

>>31811173
wait. how. what. I want.

>>31811173
>>31811299
yeah if you could just panic build me one of those. that would great thanks.

>>31811299
>wait. how. what. I want
Ar15sport.com has a bunch of retro M16 stuff.
Even usgi grips and hand guards.

>>31810662
around 50 mags
2 parts kits
cz 52
a few thousand rounds.

should i get a tokarev barrel and a case of 7.62 for the cz? it came in 9mm.

>>31811317
none of those lowers have an autosear pin hole drilled anon. my original question still stands.

>>31811377
NO shit it isn't full auto.
You can't own a lower with the full auto option.

It's just a 80% with the Colt engravings and Burst.

>>31811671
lying anon is a liar

sweet b8 m8

Sgammo.com

Brick of 5.56 and 9mm58

>>31811275
Got a brick of GT unopened from sgammo. Good price and bullet. Was ripped off last week at the local pawn shop, spent $65 for 180 rds of Red Army. Online its going for $45

>been planning on buying a double stack handgun for a while
>been taking awhile to figure out
>now have to decide in the following days
Honestly this isn't even fun its turned gun buying into a chore. Doesn't heko that recent vehicle repairs have made this a less than ideal time to buy.
I already have a good AR and accesories and a good carry peice before anyone tries to advise me. I want a good range/shtf gun now.

>>31812579
I really don't think we're getting a full blown panic 2012 style. If we were, the prices would've shot up far more than what they are already. I think the economy today is worse than back in 2012, so most people can't afford to hoard any significant amount.

fucking TSUSA sparing no time to gouge 20 more dollars for a case of Wolf Gold as soon as SG runs out.

>>31810662
Fal mags and some real fuckin' nato.

Prices will be up a bit the next six months or less but it won't last.

>>31812764

That and almost everyone who wanted an AR or 30roundclips per second already bought them during the last years of panic buying.

Between Cunton taking office and California's ammo background checks coming into effect, I am going to be buying metric assloads of 7.62x39, 9mm, and maybe stuff for my surplus guns.

>>31812916

FAL mags already going up because Kel Tec wanted to be niggers and make their rifle use those mags.

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>>31811995

>>31812967
This is the year of panic AK buying if anything. AR manufacturing capacity is keeping prices stable even with all the fearmongering and new buyers. AK supply suffer from import bans and foreign contracts and now election panic buying killed all the good cheap AKs.

I am still finishing my ar15.

Should I panic now and buy as many mags as I can?

>>31813046
I work at a lgs and can look at distributor inventory. Unless something unforeseeable happens, they're swimming in pmags and other 30rd AR mags. Just buy what you need if you don't have the money.

>>31813046
>Should I panic now and buy as many mags as I can?

No,
Don't be a retard like the rest of /k/
Buy a couple high-quality Mags and enjoy ur rifle.

>>31810662

just ordered 6 mags for muh ar and a few for my 1911 now that i'm carrying in the burr time.

trying to decide today how much of 9mm, 40 and 45 i should get.

And if I should get another case of xm855 or just cheap fmj 55gr

>>31813069
>swimming in pmags
A few shops in my town have three 55gallon drums full of Pmags.

I agree that we won't have a shortage like before.

>>31813095
>implying several idiots won't walk into the store the secondlegislation is whispered about and buy $1,500 of pmags with a credit card
Yo I don't think were gonna have the same panic but there was definitely a few idiots that made a good chunk of change hoarding shit like .22
I say there is a 25% chance of a sandy vag panic and we gotta be ready.
Don't go out and buy 15 ARs, but if you don't have one now is the time to get one and a few mags.

I panic bought a buttstock for my arf15. I need to get a bolt before parts disappear also. I have close to 200 mags to barter with though

>>31813518
There is always a chance, but it is nowhere near 25%, at least for magazines. Magazines aren't expended at nearly the same rate as ammo. There are also a lot more brands of AR mags now compared to before. If Pmags are gone, Lancer, Hexmag, ETS, Troy, DD, Promag, etc still exist, and not to mention USGI. With the current economy, I doubt there are enough hoarders to deplete Pmag supplies, let alone the entire AR mag market.

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>>31810662
I've got 600 rounds of FMJ and 5 mags(15)

I-is that enough?

>>31813095
the thing is though, everything is still available during a panic. everything.
the difference is the price you have to pay to get those things.
and just when i think crazy shit doesnt happen, i remind myself pmags were going for $50-60 each (and actually selling) post sandy hook on gb.

Gun companies have to love these times. It's like an early Christmas

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>500 rounds 9mm
>500 rounds 5.56
>4 pmags
>4 boxes of shells
>200 rounds 22lr
> maybe 50 rounds 7.62x54r
Do I need more?

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Please tell me if I'm being autistic

>4k of 7.62x39
>4k of 7.62x54r, 1k of which is steel core
>500 7.62x25
>300 9x18
>200 birdshot
>500 .223

The x39 and x54r are obviously for my main guns, everything else is a novelty. Should I keep buying? With my current habits, I have enough rifle ammo for 10 years of monthly range trips.

I am afraid of russian ammo bans which would fuck over my collection. I want to amass a life time of ammunition in case the gubmint fucks everything up.

Posting carcano chan for maximum visibility

Should I keep buying?

>>31814373
Yes

>>31814388

Realistically, how much ammo is enough?

Is a ban on russian ammo a valid concern?

Please don't reply with the meme that you should never stop buying

>>31810662

>Oh holy shit the sky is falling.

I just put in an order for a Nepalese P-1878 Martini-Henry Francotte Pattern Short Lever Infantry Rifle from IMS-USA.

Phwew... glad I got that in before all hell broke loose.

>>31814269

> Do I need more?

What?!

Of course you do, dipshit!

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Living in California.

I already have enough ammo hoarded up til I can afford to move.

Waiting 'til that final paycheck.

>>31814488

>Realistically, how much ammo is enough?

It depends on how much you shoot and why. Are you an avid hunter or shooter, then you'll need a lot (and learn to reload, that'll save you a LOT in the long run). Are you a "I want a gun for protection, but I only practice once every couple of years" kind of idiot, then you'll need less.

>Is a ban on russian ammo a valid concern?

Sure... the political issues between Russia and the West are a great opportunity for gun-hating politicians to get their licks in.

>Please don't reply with the meme that you should never stop buying

Hurr durr... don't tell me how to respond. Ass hat.

I'll never stop buying because I'll never stop shooting. Punching holes in paper at long distances is a major hobby of mine. Since all intelligent, happy, well-adjusted and sane people are JUST LIKE ME, then of course I'm going to tell you to never stop buying. It's up to you to decide to listen to me or ignore me.

>>31811173
Lmao did you have a stamping put on to simulate a FA trigger group roll pin? That's actually pretty cool, I like it.

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>>31814269
>200 rounds 22lr

>>31814708

I wouldn't fret too much bout slav ammo. Commercial 5.45 is around as much as commercial 7.62 or 5.56. 22-24 cents a round more or less.

I would caution you all never to panic sell in order to panic buy.

I got a glock mag lower from PSA. Transfer at NFA, while I was there I got two of their billet C-4 AR-15 lowers.

Apparently they made some stock for another company, but they didn't pay the bill so they're liquidating the merchandise. $75 raw, $80 finished. Not bad considering they usually run $120.

Only time I've seen them cheaper was $60 after they messed up a run, leaving them without LRBHO.

>>31813046
Just buy this and call it a day
https://dsgarms.com/dsgtenpack01

>>31814754
I actually didn't notice untill now.
It does have the Fake m16 pin thing.

>>31814754
I've been thinking about doing that with my planned M16A1 build, actually.

>>31812829

if you jew it up right sportsman's guide has is for 29.4 cpr shipped.

No AR here...

Should I buy a SW MP15 Sport 2, or Rugger 552 before panic sets in? Or should I try to build one now?

Any suggestions on building one?

>>31815316
PSA only has one lower available...

http://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-15-05/lowers.html?p=1

>scared

>>31810662
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XAYsYwZGxI

with 10 mags

>>31810662
>ITT: anons contribute to the price increase caused by panic buying

At least arms manufacturers and ammo companies are loving the extra money.

>>31810662
>panic buying
>not just buying stuff at a good rate
Since I turned 18 I bought around 2 guns a month. Now I have no worry about a panic

>>31815384
>Since I turned 18 I bought around 2 guns a month.
So unless your birthday was in September you are out of your fucking mind and over supplied.

>>31815408
>over supplied.
Im not going to carry all of this on a fucking gear on a donkey. I just dont need to rush out and buy things because I am sufficiently supplied.

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>when your only 9mm is a USP
>and mags have always been $45-65+ burgerbucks each
>mfw .40 is now more viable as a stockpile round because glock mags are cheaper for my 23
>unless I use it as an excuse to buy another 9mm pistol
>but I want another rifle

>>31810662
Need to panic buy some moar cheap .223. Should I go with Tula or Brown Bear? I have a mid length gas system, so they should both function fine and I'm assuming brown bear is more accurate.

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>>31815429
>sufficiently supplied
>24 guns a year
>compounding every year
>768 guns by 50 years old
no you fucking nutcase that is too many

>>31815384
>>31815467
Wew, that's a ton of Hi-Points.

got 10 pmags like 6 months ago and 12 a few weeks ago, have 23 total. I got 1000 of GT .223 but it was the bad batch with 5.45 primers, hopefully the heavy hammer spring and enhanced firing pin will take care of that.

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>>31815467
>>768 guns by 50 years old
You say this like its a bad thing
>>31815480
>Wew, that's a ton of Hi-Points.
Say that to my face and not online and see what happens

>>31815563
>pointing a single gun at a screenshot

Wow

Show us the several hundred you have stocked

>>31814547
what are you going to do for ammo?

>>31815563
You must have had to sell a hefty stock of hi points to afford that.
Shit, and they way hk mags are, almost one C9 for every 1-2 magazines lmao.

1/10 if you're serious; making everyone chuckle.

I don't know how you could even reasonably maintain/conserve over 100 guns. you would have to go throw and oil 4 guns every weekend just to stay on top of routine maintenance.

I got some Magpul Glock magazines for the range, and a Glock fun stick because I've always wanted one.

I'm pretty set on guns, ammo, and magazines. I bought what I thought I needed months ago so if a panic hits now, I won't have anything to worry about.

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I bought a beretta 92FS from classic for 549, doesnt seem to bad since it seems pretty high everywhere else

too late to buy anything else before election scare

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>>31815576
>>31815658
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class at the cabelas gun library, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on simpson ltd, and I have over 300 collected guns. I am trained in gorilla gun maintenance and I’m the top collector in the entire 4chan. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of gun shops across the USA and your 4473 is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to my entire arsenal and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
>>31815716
Lots of fucking rem oil, I also bought a shitload of surplus LSA

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>>31810662
>OP IS AN IDIOT
republicans control house and senate, fuck off retard

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>>31810662
A bunch of Tennessee arms polymer lowers. come at be bro

>>31813069
>>31813095
this. supply caught up, they ramped up production, there will never be a shortage like the 2012 panic

>>31815766
>ignores the fact that having that many guns is retarded and requests for proof he actually buys 2 a month
>responds with an old as fuck tired meme that has nothing to do with the objections

The absolute retards this site attracts. I swear to god they get more childish every year.

>>31815804
>proof he actually buys 2 a month
What kind of proof works for you?

>>31815773
Trump managed to put the senate and house in swing

>>31815873
Was thinking along the lines of
>>31815576

>>31815908
>Was thinking along the lines of
Even if I had several hundred do you think Im going to pull them out of a safe on command? Do you know how obnoxious moving 50 guns is? Let alone 100+

>>31815898
kek. though to be fair the Senate was probably going to be in play do to the fact that the majority of seats in this election had a Republican incumbent.

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'panic bought' a tavor for 1600

>>31815923
>has 100+ guns
>doesn't jump at the chance of a massive fucking family photo and show on /k/

Ok now I am absolutely positive you are so full of horseshit your eyes are brown.

>>31815936
How do you like it? I would like to shoot one someday. Also, not interested in the X95?

>>31815943
i have about 50 guns and have never posted a family pic. as nice as an ego boost from underaged kids and weebs would be, its just not worth it.

>>31816141

haven't shot it yet but it feels really solid and comfortable to hold. imo i think the sar looks better than the x95, though i hear it has a better trigger.

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tfw too poor to panic buy a meme assault gat

>recent newguns

already spent a shitload on 5 AR lowers, 2 complete uppers, an SKS, a 10/22, bunch of accessories, ammo, supplies...

I want more but I feel like an idiot spending all this much money when its not like I've even shot my guns all that much.

>>31815943
I have 30 and a family photo would be a massive chore. I stopped posting full family photos when I went over like 20. It's pointless anyway.
If I had 100 guns there would be no way I would spend my whole day getting them all out and lined up for a photo, esp. considering when you buy and or sell enough guns to have that many in the first place, that family photo is going to be obsolete in a matter of weeks if not days.

>>31816176
>>31816237
>I have over 50 guns
>taking a photo is too hard ;-;
You're not fooling a single fucking person

>>31815316

I'm about to buy a M&P sport II myself, I need something decent on a budget and that seems like the best choice based on reviews and such.

The sticky also claims it's the ideal first ar15 if you're a buyfag.

>>31816364
Aero AC-15 is so underrated it's criminal. About the same price as M&P and Colt Expanse, but better components in every way.

>Tfw you got into the game too late and have to decide between 500 rounds of a few extra mags for what may be your final purchase.

Have an AK with 7 loaded mags, and AR with 7 loaded mags, and an M&P9c with 2 loaded mags. I have 500 spare rounds of 7.62x39 but that's it. Only have about $200-300 to blow before election day. Life is suffering.

Just ordered a Walther PPQ M1 from GunBuyer for $449. Also ordered 1k rounds of 22LR last week from Cabela's for $62.

Bought some other things earlier in the year, including a Vepr, a converted Saiga, 2k rounds of 7.62x39, and some magazines.

Probably gonna order a case of 9mm soon.

>>31816290
you misunderstand. i dont want to take the photo. i dont want my collection posted on 4chan.

Ammo, powder, primers, stripper clips, silver coins, and maybe a hundred dollars worth of books on everything from 4th generation warfare from how to build your own longbow.

>>31816549
Same boat :'(

>tfw you can't panic buy because semi auto rifles and discount ammo are illegal here in Massachusetts

We're already living in Hilary's America.

Exactly 4 more 30rd Bulgarian steel mags

a shotgun

after that its all impulse buys

I've got all the rifles I need so I've been stocking up on mags and ammo. But I started that in January.

The only thing I haven't gotten yet is a few Bx-22 mags.

>>31816202
same my dude

thought maybe keltec would offer something cheap but the SU16C is almost $200 more than some AR-15s I've seen online

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>>31810662
>tfw I only buy milsurp bolt actions and lever actions
>No real interest in modern firearms. They're nice and fun, but I can't justify buying
>No concern when the election happens


Feels pretty good man.

>>31816582

>tfw NY

I have 4 lowers but I really can't justify building another ghetto NY compliant gun when I already have one. I want to build a real fucking gun but I'd just get vanned.

All I can buy are 10 round mags and I don't feel like stocking up on those.

Ammo, I have ~1500 and I don't shoot as much as I should.

No fucking idea what I should buy. a spare lpk?

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>>31815467
Get out.

>>31815943
not him but im the same way. the logistics of fitting them in a single picture are too annoying

>>31816290

this:
>>31816566

not everyone needs to sacrifice privacy for validation from calladooty millenials

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>>31816748
im in the same boat. if anything i love it, prices on the stuff i want are low from lack of demand. and people are selling off their fudd stuff to get extra cash to buy the worthless black plastic shit. love it

>>31816748
I was doing this last time around. But now I want to get around to building an AR, and I fear shit's gonna be priced at obscene levels by the time I save up enough money to buy it.

4 PSA complete lowers - $176 ea
20, Pre 1969 20rnd M16 Mags - $5 ea
7 PMags - $8 ea
10 Troy Mags - $8 ea
1 Arisaka Type 99 - $175
1 Vietnam War era folding stretcher - $5

My "panic buying" is just my normal buying, but taking advantage of all those scary ban deals.

>>31814008
I have around the same amount. No it isn't enough. We need to buy more mate

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Bought a fresh out of the crate hex receiver M91/30 and 40 rounds of non corrosive ammo.

>TFW poorfag who couldn't find an SKS at any LGS

>>31817102
>>31817102
>I fear shit's gonna be priced at obscene levels by the time I save up enough money to buy it.

its not. way way way too much supply, companies have increased production way too much, not to mention everyone has now fully stocked up since the last panic so the only demand would be coming from new gun people like yourself. not to mention hillary will never get any gun shit past a republican congress. so relax, and just buy whatever you want at your leisure. if you must panic buy something, just buy a stripped lower for $50-100, so you can have your piece of mind

>>31816815
Come home Republican male
>Texas

it's not even really panicking yet
prices are still low
are we just ignoring how it looks like clinton is going to win regardless of the fuckmillion bad leaks?

shit's kind of depressing that no one apparently gives a fuck about the leaks because hurr donald trump is the devil

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What are my chances of getting a case of 9mm before the election? I was planning on buying a pistol, but I want ammo before the scalpers ruin the prices even more. I won't have enough money until a few days right before the election.

>>31817753
9mm prices basically hasn't moved since San Bernardino when it went up maybe 5% if at all. Fuckers like ATK are quick to price gouge (look at Speer prices from last year compared to now) but everyone makes 9mm so you have tons of options.

I bought a sam7sf..I'm prob going to sell it immediately bc it's too heavy to be practical and isn't any more accurate/better than a cheap wasr probably desu

My first gun, a Russian SKS. Still need a fuck ton of ammo and gear.

>>31818160
also does anyone know where I could get a bolt cover with an optic? I don't want to drill any holes in my raifu but the bolt cover is probably the easiest part to remove so it'd be nice if I could find one with some kind of optic attached (and not just lazily welded).

>>31810662
Didn't have to buy shit. Most of my stuff is still left over from Sandy Hook. That being said, I took the opportunity to get myself a fucking kick-ass bug out bag.

>1200 rounds 5.56
>100 rounds 5.56, tracer
>20 x 30 round mags
>200 rounds .45
>10 x 8 round mags
>400 rounds 12ga, assorted
>200 rounds .300win
>1000 rounds .22

I wont live long enough to use all this ammo if shtf in earnest lol

>>31818198
don't put a optic over the dust cover. u won't be able to see and load clips easily if u do. replace your gas tube handguard with one if you HAVE TO

>>31814811
try more like .45 to .55 cents a round

>>31815936
good price

>>31818198
Receiver cover rails are infamous for losing zero very easily on the sks and ak

>>31818309
>try more like .45 to .55 cents a round
http://ammunitionstore.com/products/5-45x39-ammo-60gr-fmj-wolf-wpa-military-classic-30-round-box.html

You sound like a dumb nigga

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So do all AR15 parts dry up or just lowers and mags?

>>31818093
the difference between the arsenal and the wasr is one is going to feel much better

>>31818558
since the lower is the gun part that is the one that will disappear. the other AR parts cannot be legislated out of existence on their own.

>>31817328
"Being fully stocked since last panic" didn't stop a panic from happening in 2012's election. Sandy Hook might have changed the game a bit, but there will almost certainly still be a panic this year. How much of a panic is yet to be seen. Also, California is almost certainly more fucked than ever because of Gavin Newsom, so there will absolutely be a panic there.

As for Congress, the problem is that the GOP is going to shrink to a minor hold on the House. Trump is negatively affecting down ballot voting in the Senate enough that it's very likely it'll swing left again. Then we have to worry about faggots like Toomey who will sell us out despite being Republicans. Right now about the only good news I've heard all month is that Gallup just dropped poll numbers showing record low support numbers for an AWB in every party, and the fact that Obamacare is about to completely explode in the Democrat's faces and hopefully stop them from having a real wave election.

Personally, I'm buying whatever I can right now even though I'm in Texas.
>1650 5.56
>440 .308
>630 5.45
>2000 9mm
>2800 .22LR (only have a bolt action)
>30 AR mags
>11 AK74 mags
>9 Glock mags
>21 G3 mags
>14 Scorpion Evo mags
>PTR-91
>AK-74
>Scorpion Evo
>2 stripped lowers
>AR LPK

Just need a handful more mags for each platform and a couple hundred more 5.45, .308, and 9mm and I'll be okay-ish. Maybe a Glock AR lower if I can swing it.

>>31818602
what did u mean by that? how would the arsenal "feel" better?

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I was browsing Brownells today and I noticed Anderson lowers in stock, so I quickly ordered four of them. Now looking at my order status it says they are backordered, and they are out of stock on the website. What are my chances I actually get them in the next month?

I know they are in stock at primary, but they have a limit: 1 and I don't want to pay the transfer for just one lower.

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>recently moved
>no job
>broke as shit
>can't panic buy anything

I'm competent with tools, is there hope for incomplete receivers and parts kits? I really wanted to put together some 5.56 AKs with those, especially with those Definitive Arms mag well adapters.

>>31816290
I'm sorry you don't have enough guns to understand.

>>31819542
Kits and incomplete receivers still cost money.

I JUST GOT A NRA CREDIT CARD WITH A VALUE OF 8,000!!!

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>>31814008
Yo, how do you like the ayy fleshlight? Better or worse than real vag?

Also what is better to buy now: parts to guccify an already complete ar or another handgun?

>>31817142
Where did you find those sexy 20 rounders?

>>31815923
What kind of storage do you use? At that point, I'd think one would just convert a large closet into a safe or something. Just open up the door and take a quick picture. It's not like they need to be laid out pristine and primped.

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>been saving up for a nice optic for my ak
>blow it all on magazines and bulk ammo today
surely ill own an aimpoint eventually.

Went to lgs yesterday. Looking at the DD5v1 if I can somehow swing the cash, a M&P15 sport if I can't.