Should transgender people be allowed to serve in the military?

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>>31806466

No, Section 8.

if they can pass the "regular" exams and follow orders like the rest of the cogs, probably

>>31806466
im trans and in the military, i won't do so openly even though i now can. i can do my job and i do not want my personal life to interfere with what my unit needs to do so until i am out of the military i will stay in my current way

>>31806466
Most military personnel have mental issues, I don't see why this one should be singled out

boipussi has been a valuable asset to militaries for millenia

>>31806486

There's a porno parody of mash.. And wizard of oz.

I just don't care anymore.

People who have fell for cultural marxism, who are decadent and degenerated, should never serve in military.
Well, maybe as canon fodder.

They already are.

>>31806466
As long as they can do their jobs like everyone else, it doesn't matter.

>>31806466
Yeah, sure, why not.

>>31806531
like what

No, the mentally ill should not have access to weapons.

>>31806466
>Should the mentally ill be allowed to serve in the military
They shouldn't, but unfortunately we no longer live in a world where facts trump feelings.

Also, could someone please explain to me what the fuck is up with this huge push to make the military more PC and shit? It's the fucking military, your job when you're not vacuuming the parking lot is to go overseas and kill people. It's not like trying to get into your big brothers "no girlz allow" club, we're talking serious shit obviously not meant for everyone and yet everyone seems to be like "I wanna be in the club too!"

>>31807062
Well, when the military offers the GI bill, it's all a toss up. Still better than shitty conscripts.
I'd think allowing trannies to join is actually dangerous because they're more likely to Private Pyle than the usual enlisted.

>>31807062
Because it's silly to bar people from joining something that protects them because of reasons that may or may not be arbitrary if they want to genuinely serve.

I'd like to note (and bask in a bit of reflected glory since I didn't get in due to my hearing) that current trans people in the military serve either at a higher level:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2916146/I-living-lie-says-British-Army-s-transgender-officer-Soldier-says-tour-Afghanistan-nudge-needed-change-way-life.html

Or are more hardcore, i.e. Kristin Beck, than most of the guys complaining about it being allowed.

I'm not saying that will remain true and there won't be a wave like the blackies just in it for the glorified welfare, but in the case of real trans people (not genderfluid bullshit) there isn;t a reason to not allow it.

No. Transgender people have a very serious mental disability. The problem with allowing them serve besides the obvious is that they will want to be another "protected class" withing the military like gays and minorities. We have a huge problem with people getting promotions and awards in the military only because of their race, mainly that would be blacks but Hispanics get this alot too, they just haven't perfected the scam like blacks have. Thankfully gays haven't done this nearly as much as it was thought they would, but it's still early. We don't need another group of people who will go " oh you didn't promote me because I'm ___________" onn top of them being extremely mentally unstable because they think that they are something that they are not.

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>>31807133
>Arbitrary reasons
>What is physical and mental health?
Not letting someone join because they chant "I'm a pretty girl" and chop their balls off seems like a pretty legit reason to not give them a couple of grenades.

>>31807139
> thinking people are born strictly female or male
> current year
You do know it's just an acknowledged fact some people are born with a bit too much of the opposite gender in them right? Though I'm guessing you're a 14 year old poltard so maybe not

yes. the military has become the enemy. prepare for them to repeal Posse Comitatus

>>31807203
literally only in their minds. Hermaphrodites are the only exception. Sorry but if you think your a tree then a doctor isn't going to fig a hole and plant your feet in it. Explain to me how a dude thinking he's a chick will all of a sudden be better once his dick gets cut off. Pro tip: you can't because they still kill themselves in massive amounts. Trans people are very disturbed people. It doesn't make them bad of evil, but they aren't stable enough to handle most things in the military. Sure there are a few cases that go against the grain but they are the .001% of the .0001%. Get over yourself and go back to /pol/

>>31807139
That's not necessarily true though. There's a lot of confusion off the back of the whole SJW thing and people wanting to be recognised as trans, but a true trans person only wants to be seen and treated as the opposite gender. You couldn't claim anything the same way as you can with race or sexuality, but you would literally be saying "You didn;t promote me because I'm a man".

>>31807153
You're throwing this at me when the veteran suicide rate only sits 10% lower than LGBT youth as a whole in merrica.

The only issue I can see if a transitioned FtM has to pass male fitness standards. I don't have an answer for that.

>>31806466
sure, so long as they're the first to go in

>>31807203
>thinking people are born this way
>not thinking its a mixture of nature and nurture
k

>>31807281
>Pretend to be super PC, getting as many trannies as possible
>Wait for a legit war to break out
>Send in the trannies first, their fucked up hormones and the whole "how dare you tell me what to do you cishet pig" shit meaning they didn't get decent training gets them all killed in the first few days
Brilliant! Destroying the degenerates in one fell sweep.

>>31807275
All I'm saying is when "Jenny" Broadshoulders looks in a mirror, realizes "her" stubble doesn't match her lipstick, and decides to pull the pin on her grenade I'd rather "she" do it in her own home rather than while sitting next to someone who might actually contribute something.

>>31807291
>implying trans is the same as sjw
>implying ham planets and bull dykes are anything like me
>mfw you imply I have a face.

>>31806466
no

>>31807303
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragging#Iraq_War_.28U.S._forces.29

I'd be more worried about your frathouse buddies or anyone religious if I were you.

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>>31807133
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>>31806490
faggot enablers

So, how likely is it that people who were openly trans would get fragged in the military?

>>31806581
edgy

>>31807341
half the replies here are of the same nature. youre the oddman out

>>31807339
oh the fags and other mutants were the first to 'accidentally' have an engine fall on them or blow themselves up in the shitter.
Good times.

>>31806466
As someone in the army now, and having conversations about this with dudes in my unit not too long ago: we're all fine with it actually. The one thing we all agreed upon was: "as long as they're not whiny bitches and do their jobs." We had the whole conversation about having to see them naked and be in close proximity for long periods of time and basically equated it to us not having a problem with the 2 gays in our section. Yeah: they're gay, but they're not aggressive with it. Myself and most of my friends in the section have been hit on and propositioned (drunk barracks parties) by at least one of them and just turned them down and went about our business. There's no animosity towards them nor coming from them. And so far the two of them can hack it with the rest of us. We hold the few females in the unit in lower regard than the gay dudes.

>>31807062
>could someone please explain to me what the fuck is up with this huge push to make the military more PC

National militaries are a threat to globalists

>>31807369
>We hold the few females in the unit in lower regard than the gay dudes.
thats to be expected

>>31807381
this

>>31806466
Should the mentally ill serve in the military?
Should retards serve in the millitary?
Should women serve in the military?
No to all of the above

>>31807324
>>>/pol/

>>31807393
>>>tumblr

>>31807389
But anon you fit two of those requirements

>>31807349
Actually the overwhelming majority of the thread thinks they're fine
Sorry lad

I think it would be okay for them to join. However they should be able to pass the fitness requirements, be mentally stable enough, and be willing to shut up about bieng trans.

>>31806466
Sure, whatever makes the armies of the state weaker.

>>31807324
It's more about practicality. If you have a person that can get a job done, then they should be doing that job. There's no point in wasting time picking out someone else when you have a capable person already available.

>>31806466
No. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. People with mental illnesses are barred from service. Then you have additional medical costs, higher rates of suicide in trans population, issues setting up special housing (I don't think most women want to see tranny dick when they go to the shower). It's just not worth it.

>>31806581
>canon fodder
>canon
You first.

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>>31806466
No.

But if we don't enable and support people to make terrible life choices which are detrimental to society in general as well as the individual, then we might as well be Hitler, apparently.

Also, you should be ashamed of yourself, and need to check your privilege.

>>31806466

>transgender

there is no such thing.

>>31806466

having to undergo hormone therapy for the rest of one's life doesn't seem overly compatible with wartime conditions.

>>31806490
>mentally deranged individuals
>can do a few pushups? they're fine by me!

>>31808080
I'm kind of impressed how much the SJW thing has ruined people's understanding. If someone is transsexual, that is to say a proper one, the end goal is to transition and live as the other gender. Not to actually be a trans person, shemale or anything else in between.
I mentioned earlier that suicide in LGBT people as a whole in America is 41%, veteran suicide is 32% out of 100,000. I'm willing to bet with other groups removed the percentage is about that same.


>>31808124
As for medical costs, well that sounds good on paper but it's not that big an ask. After all people with glasses have higher costs, and don't seem compatible with wartime conditions. There's plenty of logistics given over to pharmaceuticals and so on.

>>31807324
Fags have different sexual preferences, trannies have malfunctioning brains. I believe there's a difference.
>>31807499
Most serial killers were capable of holding a job and acting normal. Until their malfunctioning brains told them the neighbor's dog is Satan and he wants blood.

I know, I know, anecdotal evidence and generalizing, what a bigot right? lol xD right!?

>>31806466
The thing I want to know is how transgenders should be treated at training.

What dorms do they get? A trans-man may call themselves a man, but with their genitalia, should they be in a men's dorm?

No. Being transgender in itself is seen as a mental disorder about your identity. Anything that points to a possible mental disorder should be an automatic disqualification from serving. Plain and simple

>>31806466
Yes, as cannon folder

>>31806466


http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/07/13/military-may-fund-gender-transition-if-transgender-ban-is-lifted/

I DO NOT WANT MY TAX PAYER DOLLARS PAYING FOR RE-ASSIGNMENT SURGERY

>>31806466

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>>94639796

this is what you want??!!?

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>>31808200

Unless you're tying to tell me that all transsexuals are serial killers I have no idea what point you're trying to get across.

>>31806466
Transgendered people are mentally ill.

But also, mentally ill people can also shoot a gun, run, and die for their country.

As long as they can physically and mentally do the same thing as an average soldier, I have no problem with them.

Most of them probably can't though, but they flunk out early, the rest will be wearing a uniform like the rest.

And there shouldn't be "woman uniforms", a uniform should be uniform.

anyone that wants to jump in front of bullets and shoot people should be allowed to. I have a feeling that if it was allowed during the Vietnam draft that all the people that claimed it on forms would have mysteriously gotten put at the top of the list. What's bullshit is enlisting and then forcing the government to pay for your hormones.

>>31807062
it's because of all that rape and whatnot being covered up for decades. Pulling out the rainbow flag gets some of the media heat off of them.

>>31809358
That people suffering from a mental illness are NOT the best for the job.
That people suffering from a mental illness are NOT the ones you want to have in charge of other men's lives. Cause army isn't just pushups and marching, it's also making sure the men under your command don't run around in the desert trying to not misgender their CO instead of shooting, moving and calling air support.
That people suffering from a mental illness are NOT dependable/predictable - why would you place them in a stressful environment and expect them to perform identically to the other guy when they already have a faulty perception of reality?

Also check the out the rest of the internets (and real world) to see the increasing number of pedos calling their sickness "just another sexual orientation" and getting high 5s from the "progressive" elites. Call it a slippery slope but it's happening - yesterday it was bye bye DADT, today it's trannies are a-ok, tomorrow it'll be your kid is fair game.

>>31809949
Lessons from /pol/

>>31806466
No. Transgendered have a lot of mental issues and tend to kill themselves after they slice their sexual organs to try to make a different organ. Letting them in the military is was irresponsible as letting addicts or psychotics in the armed forces.

>>31806466

Replace transgenger with schitzophrenic and you have your answer.

>>31807203
>some people
So we should push it on all the people?
And it's not some people, it's an unbelievably small amount of people. Nature makes mistakes every now and then you know? And there's a difference between an exception happening every millionth time and a rule happening 99% of the time, all the time.

>>31806466
>asking /k/ about something political and military related

>a bunch of POGs reply

>>31807203
>some people
171 confirmed diagnoses world wide throughout the entirety of human history.

Mostly in Asia, at that.

And 100% of them have been too physically ill to even remotely come close to passing a military fitness test due to the horrific hormone imbalances and usually accompanying birth defects.

So for all intents and purposes, you will never see a "trans-anything" that's anything other than mentally ill.

>>31806466
Noice dubs
Should we allow morbidly obese amd anorexic sods on the front lines?

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>>31809974
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/30/im_a_pedophile_youre_the_monsters_my_week_inside_the_vile_right_wing_hate_machine/
https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2013/12/22/is_pedophilia_a_sexual_orientation.html
https://medium.com/pedophiles-about-pedophilia/pedophilia-as-a-sexual-orientation-d414e0780f6d#.vlv8y9i95
http://www.b4uact.org/

But you're right - if I'd have to choose between Hitler and the sickos pushing all this "tolerance" crap...I'd buy a ticket to Argentina.

Trannies shouldn't be allowed to live

>>31810156
>muh sources
Literally shit that noone takes seriously, you might as well post something from NAMBLA.

>>31809949
>literally a MENTAL ILLNESS boogeyman post

>>31807389
How about behind the front lines in logistics and support? Someone has to cook the food and clean the latrines. Why not let the women do what they do best?

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>>31810279
>women
>what they do best
>cook

>>31806490
>>31809531
>>31809627
This. If you can pass physical and psych requirements and are willing to fight, I'm not gonna be the one to stop you.

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>mfw I trick horny chads into fkng my boipucci out in the field.

We are already here.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/06/30/pentagon-lifts-ban-transgender-troops-openly-serving--military.html

lemme fix that for you

>should transgender people be allowed?

>>31810205
What is Psychosis

That's just fucking great.... what comes next? Are we gonna allow HIV positives to serve as well? Schizophrenics?

>>31810189
>lalala I'm not listening xD

>>31810893
You can already serve if you have GRIDS, all you have to do is wear a special dog tag.

>>31810930
well shit, so what happens if a corpsman refuses medical attention to some AIDS homo bleed out from having his femoral shot?

>>31810956
Doesn't it say something in your theme song about loving your fellow man?

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>>31810719
I honestly can't see a downside apart from their mental illness eventually causing them to be unable to serve.
>Is actually a man, so can actually physically perform to the male pt standards.
>Looks like a girl, but can pull "her" weight.
>Makes a midnight foxhole pounding much more enjoyable bc it actually looks like a woman.

Basically it makes the already homoerotic atmosphere in the military a little more tollerable because it's like having a battle buddy you can fuck without feeling like a homo as long as you don't think about it too hard.

Added plus for command, the high self-destruction rate of transgender people ensures that you won't have to support them post-service and they can simply abuse them until they're worn out then discard them.

>The sad reality is that there would be no qt traps and it would all be monstrous abominations that demand special treatment and make the already overcucked military even worse, eroding moral and bringing down the unit's effectiveness because everyone would be focused on how much they hate that fucking tranny.

>>31810980
I don't know what you're talking about. My theme song is Secret Agent by Johnny Rivers.

>>31806466

My answer to that is "post-op only".

No pre-ops allowed. Get your gender issues settled before you sign up. There's nothing unreasonable about that unless you're just a freak looking for a free pair of silicone implants, free hormone therapy, and a free fake vagina.

>>31806466
I can't wait for the chinks to get slammed with war crimes for misgendering our troops

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they are already allowed. infact the military might fund peoples transitions.
should they be?
in my oppinion no. asside from the xddd mentally ill xddd meme, a lot of them really arent in a good place to begin with. and even if they were, being a tranny fucks with your head hard. every tranny i know says they fucking hate it and aren't really ok.

>>31810956
HIV makes you non-deployable.

>>31810470
>transgender
>willing to fight
I mean, I guess it could happen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkt1vAX0MRM

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>>31806466
they can be used to test the gas chambers brother

Yes in the mine clearing platoon.

>>31806466
Does it matter? You're gonna make this exact same thread in 2 fucking days regardless.

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>>31810111
Trips confirm.
Lipid grunt best grunt.

>>31806517
good on you anon. You actually get it.

>>31806517
Hiding a mental illness from the military is a felony.