PRECISION SHOOTING GENERAL /PSG/ PATHS GOT AN M39 EDITION

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>>31792719

It really is a handsome specimen too.

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>>31792719
B barrel?

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>>31792732

>dat dovetail

HHHNNNNGGGGGGGG

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>>31792744

Unmarked, likely SAUER made.

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>>31792744

I wish I had a D-shank barrel with a true .308 bore, and it be a post 70's sneak with a T in the stock for testing.

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>>31792771
neat. get it from classic? mine like the yugo heavy ball stuff, 182gr

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My first 3 rounds at 1k yards with my 300 Win Mag Sendero SF II at Peacemaker NTC.

>nuggets

>>31792719
>precision shooting
>nuggets
I don't care how nice a nugget it is, still a nugget.

Anyway:
>have Sendero
>it likes 175gr SMK's and doesn't like 220gr SMK's
Should I try the 190's or buy a box of the Berger 200.20x's to test?

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>>31792814

I'd like some heavy ball for it.

The sights were a little low and left with 147 gr light ball.

It was dead on with 200 gr SP from Barnaul, but that's hard to find. I bought some PPU 180 gr SP at Cabela's to try.

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>>31792828
Load testing with my SPR and factory ammo

>>31792719
>2 MOA
>From a standard infantry rifle
>Impressed
...that's typical. My Lebel does that. My Mas 36 does better than that. My 1903/14 does that.

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>>31792855

I load 190 gr SMK with 68 gr of IMR 4350 to make ~2750 FPS. It's a near exact clone of Federal Gold Medal Match.

The US Army recently started using 210 gr SMK in their new bolt actions; I kind of want to mirror that load.

My 308 uses 168 gr SMK, but I'm switching to 175 gr SMK when I reload the cases.

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>>31792881
And what the rifle's capable of with handloads

>>31792887

Yeah, but I can't expect any better than 2 MOA with 70's manufactured Soviet Light Ball surplus.

The rifle may well be capable of better. I'd like to hand load for it.

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>>31792862
i managed to scoop up 1k of the yugo metak stuff before nugget food seemingly dried up completely

>>31792794
this one >>31792814 has a D barrel, its a sweet shooter

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The HOWA 1600 bolt actions are outstanding rifles.

CHF barrels, pinned to the recoil lug and receiver from the factory.

I dropped one into a B&C tactical stock, and it was a .5 MOA gun with FGMM 168 gr 308.

It was the best shooting rifle I've ever sold.

>>31792899
My .308's throated with an M118LR reamer so went straight to the 175gr SMK. The .308 REALLY liked them so I bought a couple thousand right before the 175gr TMK came out, so I'm loading them in all my .30cal rifles now.

Another thing I've noticed is Reloader 17 *really* likes pressure, basically the more powder I cram in the smaller the groups, regardless of caliber or bullet weight. Coming down from RL19 this was a surprise, and not one I'm really happy with (H1000 is still more accurate but lacks velocity even with 220's). Will shoot up the rest of my RL17 and go back to my 7828SSC for hunting loads and H1000 for target.

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>>31792939

Also, I stumbled across the rifle on a cold visit to a gun shop when I was across town and had time to kill.

>>31792945
The Howa mags look janky as fuck. Any issues with them?

I'm in the market for a new rifle and they look good other than the mag.

>>31792951

If anything is going to tempt me away from SMK, it's going to be the new Hornady ELD-X 208 gr in .308 for my 300 Win Mag.

The G7 BC on that bullet is ridiculous--which it now maintains in flight unlike the A-MAX BT

>>31792719
Tikka T3 CTR vs Remington 700 SPS Tactial
both 308, both $800 new

Which is better out of box accuracy? I dont plan on getting to crazy. I plan to keep factory stock just put on a brake, maybe suppressor one day, and some decent glass.

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>>31792966

I won't lie to dubs, the mags are ~meh. I had one 10 rounder that the bottom would pop right off of when low on rounds.

Never had a misfeed with them though.

The latch is in front of the trigger guard, and not ergonomic at all.

>>31792987

The 308, because you can throw it into a Magpul Hunter Stock. Those things are dope af.

>>31792913
You shouldn't expect better to begin with, because they weren't required to be better. Now you might achieve it, but don't expect it of a infantry rifle.

Also
>Shooting milsurp
>Not Reloading
You're just asking to get fucked.

>>31792744
Did people seriously pay $800 for B Barrels from classic? Pat had them for $420-$430 for years. Ol' Ben made bank on that deal.

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>>31793018
I bought mine for $400, is 800 what classic is asking now?

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>>31793017

>You're just asking to get fucked.

Any nugget action rifle will be nigh-indestructible.

>>31793014
got enough magpul plastic on my ARs, no thanks on that stock.

I'd like to see an actual sniper mosin and see how the M39 stacks up head to head.

I think a scout scope on the M39 would be awesome, but I don't want to fuck with it and change the look.

>>31793031
https://www.classicfirearms.com/finnish-m39-mosin-nagant-rifle-762x54r-b-barrel

>>31793044

Well you still have a ton of excellent options for the 700; Bell and Carlson or H-S Precision come to mind.

I'd consider a Savage as well. A 110 BA is great out of the box.

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>>31792719
Links for /PRG/
>Group calc program
http://www.ontargetshooting.com/
>Ballistic calc and chart
http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi
>Turret/ milling/ basic windage/ basic drop/ Practice
http://www.shooterready.com/lrsdemo.html
>Data books
http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5539-diy/13433967-d-i-y-data-books

>Basic forum work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rLfYLM48Ms [Embed]

>Glass basics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVF2pdHbX1M [Embed]

>Sniper 101 link for the lazy crowd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwG-D0HjCBQ [Embed]

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>>31793059
what the fuck

>>31793071
did you just just skip over all commentary with regards to budgets and plans?

Tikkas seem to have good reviews universally but a $150-$200 mag is worrisome. R700s seem hit or miss and I was hoping for some /k/ input on them.

>>31793035
Except that's not what I mean. I mean you're gonna be unable to buy ammo because surplus will be banned from import. Remember 7n6?

>>31793097
yeah, I never saw them listed so did you buy yours from them at $400~ and then they jacked prices or did you get it elsewhere and Classic actually managed to offload magical plum unicorn barrels for $800?

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>>31793091

Wait, did these threads catch on for long enough to have a standard set of links?

>>31793118

Yeah, but it looks like we drew the line on that practice with M855. And besides, there are plenty of brass ammo makers for the caliber--and Tula loads it still.

>>31793118
unless they ban imports from the baltic states theres always PPU to be had

>>31793139
Cm-2 fag still watchin for PRG/ PSG threads, I gathered some links to answer some of the basics.

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>>31793133
i checked my account, looks like i paid $450 for mine from classic, that was in december of last year

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>>31792794
Finns never used a true .308" bore. The closest they get is the .3085" groove diameter of the m/28-30. Also the "D" has nothing to do with bore diameter.

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>>31793111

I got my Stag Model 6 upper threaded, cerakoted black, and had a FF quadrail installed.

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>>31793183

>Also the "D" has nothing to do with bore diameter.

I know this, I also watched the IV8888 videos, anon.

I was just rattling off an absurd sounding collectible configuration for nugget aficionados to chuckle at.

>>31793111
>>31793187

I don't know why that post linked to you. Disregard, it's getting late for Grandpa.

>>31792945
>>31792994
I'm picking up a standard Howa 1500 Mini in .223 this weekend for $350, pretty stoked.

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Took a friend hunting on my family land.

He shoots a little knot head...

He says it was standing in stunted beans, they made it look taller.

>>31793187
looks sharp

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I had a bunch of chances to shoot juvenile bucks.

I just wanted a nanny goat for meat or a wall mount though. No bullshit bucks.

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>>31793282

Cow Horns n shit.

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>>31793325

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>>31793343
>>31793325

My stand this year is comfy af

>>31793359
looks ghetto as hell.

I love it.

>>31793398

Oh it's 100% white trash.

It's 13 years old and has survived multiple hurricanes though.

It's got a gangsta lean to it now.

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Hunting one morning was crazy with all the mist.

>>31793418
My "deer stand" this year is a 1960's vintage chrome-and-vinyl bar stool behind 2 55gal drums that're covered with naturally-fallen leaves.

I've shot 27 deer out of that "stand" over the last 15 years, and my grandpa shot probably 500 from it.

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Longest shot on the farm for me is 550 yds.

A 300 win mag warms up at 550 with my hand loads.

It was making 4/5 shots at 550 yds on an 8" steel gong.

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>>31793462
This was 327 yards with a ~15mph variable crosswind from prone.

Put the bullet *exactly* where I wanted to, mushed the near shoulder and it exited just in front of the diaphragm on far side, buck was quartering on to me.

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The poor old M44 might be on the chopping block and going on ARMSLIST soon.

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>>31793482
>exit wound
Not sure why I was suprised, but a 150gr bonded softpoint at 3250fps MV doesn't open up much in a ~90lb antelope.

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>>31793496

190 gr OTM more or less explodes in a deer when moving at 3k FPS

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>>31793522

And this is what a 150 gr SP from a 308 win does at point blank range.

>mind blown

>>31793522
Well, thanks for that. Now I know what not to hunt with.

I like actually eating what I kill.

As it is, due to mushing the left shoulder I only got about 35lbs of usable meat out of the antelope.

>>31793553

the back straps, hams, and tenderloins were all gtg.

One shoulder was shrekt, and I just had to trim the opposite shoulder.

I'd like seeing them drop. I'd rather lose a little meat and not have to go into the woods after a dead animal to drag it out.

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Anyone else have a Recce build?

It straddles the /PSG/3gun/carbine line.

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>>31793145
>Serbia
>baltic

>>31793572
yeah that's not a concern in the sagebrush flats

Even with a completely mushed shoulder and no heart/lungs/aorta/vena cava/brachiocephalic trunk left (it all blew out the half-inch exit hole and left a hell of a splatter where he was standing) he made it 20 yards. But I could see him from where I was.

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>>31793584
Yup

>>31793588
shid i meant balkan

Finns zero them with 200gr ammo, that is generally what they shoot best. I have a '42 Sako.

>>31793642

The Barnual 200 gr SP shot true to sites with the 3 rounds I had of it.

>>31793572
I can only shoot 3 deer a year all seasons (archery, rifle, alt-methods) and I'm feeding essentially 5 people so I'd rather have to trail one a ways than ruin 20+ pounds of meat.
>implying a shoulder shot with anything doesn't ruin the shoulder

>>31793669

I'm also right up on the property line, and the neighbors' woods are all posted with tape and purple paint. I can't have them running off onto someone else's land and I can't recover it.

>>31793662
I've had a few M39s, all have shot dead on with 200gr unless someone boogered with the sights. My Sako is dead on and I regularly outshoot fudds with their deer rifles at the range. It's also got pitting in some strange areas as well as groves from a bayonet being mounted constantly so it's probably seen action, and it's still in great condition

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>>31793687

I wish the rear sight would adjust to 100m and not 150m at the bottom end.

The ladder was pretty accurate out to 550 for me too. I had to hold low right with the 147 gr light ball.

>>31793686
You still in NC?

If so you have right of pursuit, just can't be armed.

>>31793776

I hunt in NC, yeah.

Good to know. I suppose if I were armed, I'd still be hunting technically.

>>31793248
Anyone able to comment on the price of this? Seems like a good deal for a new gun, anyone have experience with the,?

>>31793855
That's a good price, they start stringing after 20 rds under 15 mins if pencil barrel.

>>31793709
Yeah it's just a little thing to remember. The optimism of our ancestors never ceases to amaze.

>>31793876
Is that from experience or reading online?
This would be a beginner bench rifle for me.. If you have any other suggestions, go ahead

>>31793855

sounds like a good price to me. A modern full featured bolt action under $400 is a good deal.

>>31794043
Experience, They are a great rifle to start with, just take it slow and the the rifle cool down between shots, Take your time, Log every shot, call every shot, wait 30 seconds or so between shots just focused on the bull etc etc.

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>>31794043
this is a good basic idea of a good dope book starter.

>>31794181
Lets put it this way, I'm so new to bench shooting I don't even know what calling shots is, or how to effectively utilize >>31794195

>>31792887
My lgs is selling a sky m39 for like 650. What are these actaully worth and is there anything special about them besides the markings on the stock and reciever?

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Paths, why do you push these threads so hard. Barely anybody on /k/ has experience shooting outside of their 200yd range, if they even own a gun that can maintain sub-moa groups.

Not trying to be an ass, but every time I see these threads it's filled mostly with you posting random hunting things and others wanting to get into precision shooting with a $400 budget, which hardly has anything to do with actual precision shooting and certainly doesn't warrant a general.

>>31795876
An educated guess would be trying to drum up more interest in it.

It can be relatively affordable (IE, cheaper than 3-gun), it's a lot of fun, and honestly gives/hones more likely to be used skills than any of the tacticool shooting.

Best part is, "precison" doesn't have to be long range. Only have a 100yd range? Take a .22 and go shoot bugholes.

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6mm PPC

Also bump.

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100yd group with turkish M80 ball (ZQ1) out of my M1A with irons. Not bad right?

I prefer to see distance shooting on /k/ precisely because the board is full of teenage angst channeled into vidya military wankfests. Different and on topic is better.

Building a handy modern scout/practical bolt rifle for the woods of Wisconsin (0-400 yards). It will be wearing an illuminated 1-6x AR style optic. Rifle options are:

1. Mossberg predator 18 inch barrel. 350ish.
2. Tikka t3 lite compact. 450ish.
3. Howa 1500 with dbm. 5-550.
4. Ruger American predator. 18 inch threaded and good rail. 400.

Know any I should look into harder? Know any I should ignore? Thanks all.

>>31792902
H322 is the shit...

>>31795876
I lurk. Pls don't make paths leave

>plsnoleavepaths

I only have a few hundred dollars but I want to get into this

>>31796754
follow-p with links to buds for easier opinion gathering.

1. https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/84497/Mossberg+MVP+PRD+18HB+762+LAM+10RD

+best mags, handy and compact
- cost, shaky quality rep

2. https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/93401

+ silky smooth action, good quality company
- expensive 5rd, ungodly expensive 10rd, will need new recoil lug

3. https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/2084_36_280/products_id/719000675/HOW+LIGHTNING+LTWT+308+20+6RD

+cheaper, howa has a good rep
- long, cheap box mag kit has issues.

4. https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/2084_36_59_110/products_id/93390/Ruger+AMER-P+308+PRED+MTBLK

+short, threaded barrel, includes rail
- 4rd mags, no idea on quality

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0.6 MOA 4 shot benched group zeroing my CZ 557 with the cheapest ammo I could find. Not really taking my time or cooling the barrel.

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>>31796754

Don't rule out the Savage scout rifle either. Out of the box, Savage is more accurate that remington imo.

Also, the Hog Hunter has iron sights and a threaded muzzle included. The free float short bull contour is stout too. The bolt knob is oversized for quick cycling. Available in 223 and 308.

I put a Bushnell 10x40 MIL/MIL mildot in QD rings on mine.

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>>31797796

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>>31796754
>>31797796

I also have a mossberg action rifle, and they're quite accurate.

These prices are unbeatable, and you can upgrade as you go for things like stocks and bottom metal if you even want to:

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/2084_36_758/products_id/96988/Mossberg+PATRIOT+22+308+SYN

Can anyone help me out? New to bench shooting. I'd really like a moderately affordable rifle that I can target shoot with to my hearts content, I'd also like the cartridge to be good for deer hunting. What's the best bang for my buck in the $300-600 range? I understand that depending on the stock scope I will probably be better off buying a new scope too. Any info is appreciated, so far I'm aware that Remington is alright, and plenty of people prefer Savage over Rem for the same price range. Can anyone help me out?

>>31798032

See the mossberg in my previous post. #08 is cheap, suitable for hunting. You can spend the rest of you budget on great glass, rings, and mounts. I recommend a Vortex 1" tube optic.

>>31798091

*308 Win, the ammo, is cheap.

>>31793542
>Glenn from TWD, circa Season 7

New (to me) Rem700 owner here, in the market for a reasonably-priced bipod that won't shit the bed should I have to use it.
Don't want to pay $80 for a Harris, and my LGS sells a Blackhawk 6-9" for right at $50.

Is there anything inherently wrong with Blackhawk bipods, except the fact that they're not Harris brand and don't cost $80?

>>31797805
I hear horrible things about the hog hunter's stock and I like detachable mags. I'm basically building an updated scout rifle minus the odd optic since scopes today are FAR better than the 70s/80s . Though I have thoght about dropping it into a...

>>31797822
...MDT LSS chassis. How do you like it? Do you think it would save any weight over other stocks?

My goal was to get a rifle with 5-10rd detachable mag, a 1-6ish optic, and a rhody sling in under 7.5-8 lbs. To do that I have to make some sacrifices.

Actually, you've been very helpful. I need to look at lightweight barrels as well, since most of the scopes I'm going to pt on it (vortex strike eagle, PA 1-6x, Leupold patrol) are in the 16oz range already. Thanks, Paths.

>>31798306
the bipod takes a bit of a beating. I'd try to go harris at least if you're counting on this thing to make it through survival use.

>>31795876
I like them. It's weird, the longest range I have access to is 200 yards like you said, and the most accurate rifle I have is maybe 1 MOA. but it's interesting and nice to have someone who knows their shit. Plus some of the techniques to not suck at shooting apply at shorter ranges too.
Beats the shit out of cancer meme general the other tripfags do

>>31798364

>MDT LSS chassis. How do you like it? Do you think it would save any weight over other stocks?

It's heavy as fuck. Much heavier than a conventional stock.

Savage scout rifles have detachable mags and a plethora of stock options.

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>>31798306
I'm ok with my Caldwell one as long as you buy the extra locking lever thing...

>>31798306

I have both Harris and Blackhawk bipods.

I wish they were all Harris. The difference in quality is noticeable.

>>31795853
Get a cracked stock m39 from classic firearms for $250

Or if you're less handy $350 for one with a good stock

>>31799319
Good to know, I was eying one up as they cost half the amout of harris but same features

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>>31796712
I'd say so

>>31793877
150m is still the battlesight range for Finnish Rks

>>31799128
I'd love to...but to mount a traditional optic on the savage scout you lose the rear sight. Same problem with the ruger gunsite scout.

If you had the metaphorical gun to the head, would you go tikka, mossberg, or savage?

The way I see it, its either going really lightweight and sacrificing sights OR getting it all and sacrificing weight.

Just for funsies since I've done all this work I'll get a screencap of the excel sheet and post it in a sec.

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So as we can see, there are a cople different directions to go. I want a rifle that is light, compact, fed by magazine of 5+ rounds, and has backup sights. I'm going to have to compromise a bit somewhere.

Does one go with a lighter option (the ruger predator, tikka, or hog hunter) and get the rifle inletted (around $210) . Or does one go with a more complete package that weights a bit more? It's an interesting quandry.

I may just go for the tikka and buy the 5 round OEM magazines...I'd much prefer 10+ but thats going to weigh any of these options down.

Thanks for the help and comments all. Keep on being precise, no matter what your range!

>>31792751
post war. meh

>>31799557

I'd go super light conventional and put a 1-8x on it. The 1x power functions at close range, and 8x is plenty to hunt with.

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>>31795876

CANT WAKE UP

>I want to believe

>>31794594
Sorry anon, had to go to work.
Calling the shot, is simply stating where you foresee the bullet hitting, Ideally, it's your Point of Aim ( cross hair center) OR your hold over if you like to play that way.

The chart is handy because you can make your guess, in internal adjustments, I,e I hit low 1 inch so I need to add 4 clicks,
> write down 4 clicks, hold center, fire
And if it was correct, then good you learned a bit if not, mark the correct amount and learn from the mistake. Eventually you will have enough of the 10 shot cards filled out to have a real good understanding of how that rifle/scope/ammo combo works in all situations and you can start getting first round hits on targets at various distances.

>>31796843
Yep.

However, I will be switching to 8208XBR once I shoot through the nearly 20lbs I have on hand. Little less temperature sensitive, little better velocity, what I've done with it it's as or maybe slightly more accurate.

Currently load H322 for 3 calibers: .223rem, .22 PPC, and 6mm PPC.

>>31797796
IMO the Hog Hunter would very much benefit from a different stock.

It's literally the only Savage rifle with a blind magazine, and the stock's really too flimsy to inlet for a bottom metal (if you even felt like doing so, even on a solid stock it's a *lot* of work).

>>31798032
Mossberg Patriot, Ruger American Predator, Savage 11 (if you can find one without the XP package, they come with a cheap Nikon 3-9x that's really not worth much and should be replaced).

Pros and Cons
>Mossberg Patriot
+fluted, mid-weight sporter barrel
+crossbolt action bolt in stock a la CZ550
+fluted bolt
+stiff, wood stock available
+4-5rd stagger-stack flush-fit detachable magazine of okay quality, replacement/spare mags are halfway affordable
-packaged with a truly garbage 3-9x40 scope
-bolt is sloppy and there's no real good fix
-completely unbedded from factory
-factory free float is...dubious (one in three the barrel will be touching with no pressure on forend), will require work to fix
-LBA trigger is like an accutrigger but worse (still better than Rem X-Mark Pro)
=not great aftermarket, but aftermarket exists (Jard makes triggers, couple companies make other parts)

>Ruger American Predator
+great barrel contour for a do-all rifle
+good, Accutrigger-style trigger adjustable to ~2lbs
+threaded barrel
-action isn't the greatest, but serviceable
-stock is flimsy AF, despite factory "free float" a bipod is enough to bend the forend up to touch the barrel
-factory "pillar bed" is dogshit and needs to be redone (which is decently easy), recoil lug is unbedded
-mags kinda suck

>Savage 11
+takes the R700 action and improves it with the floating bolt head
+very smooth bores, Tikka tier, very easy to clean
+2-position safety is an improvement over 3-positions of yore
+bolt release is in excellent spot, less snag-prone than Mauser-style
+Accutrigger is now the standard, adjusts down to ~2lbs, crisp and creep free
-stock and mags are flimsy

So for giggles I am going to make a .22 PSG-1 knock off/ look alike, Any suggestions on .22 LR semi that can hold ~ 1 " at a 100 yards?
I was looking at the 10/22T or r597 maybe a CZ 511 , Just wondering If I'm over looking anything?

>>31801885
Thanks so much for all the info on those rifles.

>>31802870
No problem.

I'm actually in the market for a new, light-weight hunting rifle that's still better-than-MOA after some light home gunsmithing (I am a school-trained gunsmith, but not working as one so don't have access to a lathe or mill).

I'm really torn between a Savage Hog Hunter and replacing the stock with [something not thumbhole but capable of a droppable floorplate retrofit] or a Mossberg MVP Predator and fixing the myriad of issues with it (which I can do).

God, I wish the MVP was offered in 7mm-08, as much as I'd like a 6.5/.260 or a .243 I really don't need *yet another* caliber to reload for and my truly big game hunting is covered with my Sendero.

>>31803050
Ah you the guy who repaired his sendero for a gunsmithing school final? I'm the utility rifle guy above. Care to spell out what you see the issues on the MVP predator are? I'm seriously considering the thunder ranch version in 308.

>>31803684
Wasn't for a final, just used it as a project gun for the class, but yes.

As far as issues with the MVP:
>.308 models, the round-stripping lugs on the bolt are...generously proportioned, and like to scratch rounds still in the mag
Can be fixed with a little spit n' polish, or just shoot the damn thing enough to "wear in"
>feed ramps are rough and uneven
Cratex bullet+dremel if you're impatient, fine-grit sandpaper and your index finger if you want a mirror shine (doing 1911 feed ramps for practice helps)
>trigger is gritty and heavy
Trim 1-2 coils off firing pin spring (some have gone as high as 7 with early-model 5.56 guns, 1-2 is about right for current-production guns) or replace with aftermarket spring (EGW) to lighten it, not much can be done for grit. Timney, Jard, and Rifle Basix sell drop-in replacement triggers, coupled with the spring job/swap can get down to ~5oz with a Jard 12oz trigger
>factory scope bases frequently loose, burred
Debur with pocket knife, torque appropriately and blue loctite
>mag releases are dumbly designed, even on 5.56 rifles
A couple companies sell aftermarket oversized mag releases in the ~$40 range, money well spent
>synthetic stocks are flimsy AF and can fugg your freefloat
Either replace with Boyd's Pro Varminter (heavy, LR-oriented stock) or simply rasp out barrel channel further and re-bed. Or buy a Predator or Varminter with the laminate stock (or the stock by itself if you can find one, people tend to not sell those), those are fucking awesome.
>factory "pillar bed" sucks, recoil lug is not bedded
I personally prefer a traditional full bed, but either traditional or redoing the pillar bed this is 100% required. However personally I think it's 100% required on all rifles, probably the #1 thing you can do to improve the mechanical accuracy of a rifle.
>bolt is sloppy
Learn to live with it. In theory you can shim the rear of the receiver, but that's a rather extensive (and expensive) true-gunsmithing job.

>>31792719
Think Classic will still have some plain Jane M39s within 4 weeks? I've got a lot going on financially until then and can't spare it right now.

Damn I hope it won't be too late.

>>31804044
Continued
>threaded muzzle: Threading is non-concentric (rare issue)
RMA for warranty repair/replacement. This is something that SHOULD BE right from the factory, and while I *can* fix it I shouldn't have to.
>bolt body itself shaves rounds in mag
Either polish the edges of the bolt fluting lightly (seriously like 1 pass with 320-grit sandpaper on your finger) or oil the shit out of it and shoot a bunch of ammo you don't intend to keep the brass from until it "wears in"
>magwell loose/tight
Either buy a replacement drop-in magwell (bunch of small companies making these, check out mossbergmvp.com) or spend an inordinate amount of time with a 4oz tack hammer beating it into submission
>magwell holds mags too high/too low
Either buy a replacement magwell or re-cut the notches or try different mags (known to have issues unilaterally with Promag and Hexmag in 5.56, and KAC M110 and both the M14 and AR10 Promag mags in .308, almost always fine with Pmags or Lancers)
>bolt breaks
RMA for warranty repair. Only an issue with first-gen rifles, anything made after Sept 2013 should be GTG.

The rifle was a great concept plagued by shitty QC and a rushed, disorganized rollout. They can be PHENOMENALLY accurate with the factory barrel.

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Yall got me wanting an m39 now.

Which should I buy?
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/591834329

or

https://www.classicfirearms.com/finnish-m39-mosin-nagant-rifle-762x54r-sako-mfg

>>31804044
>>31804146
Effing great info there. The thunder ranch series comes in their plastic stock. From what it aounds like I'd be better served with the normal MVP predator for its laminate.

Thanks for sharing, anon.

>>31804935
buy the known, always. Doubley so when the unknown is ClassicFirearms

>>31804044
care to recommend something in 308 with a heavish threaded barrel, out of box moa or better and under $900?

I keep coming back to a tikka ctr but underwhelmed with the stock stying on the t3 and the t3x breaks the budget.

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>>31792719
Why not refinish your Finnish?

Are there any non permaneant scopemounts that arent garbage? I want to throw a scope on some milsurp but i dont want to actually fuck with them. A couple are antiques

>>31805889
>that wood grain

What the hell kinda trees do they have in Finland anyway?

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Has anyone combed over Rifle Accuracy Facts the kind anon scanned? It's pretty dense and want to know what the highlights are.

>>31806077
Arctic birch, same as Russian Mosins. Funland can be choosy with the wood they use, because they weren't making nearly as many as the Soviets.
Cold weather trees tend to be harder and denser than trees in warmer areas- and birch from all over is pretty good to start with.

>>31806012
no

>>31805156
I fucking hated the Thunder Ranch. Somehow manages to be just as heavy as the Predator while having awkward balance.

Yes, the laminate stocks are awesome. I prefer the Varmint for most shooting but it kinda sucks to carry.

WHY WONT THEY MAKE A SHORT HEAVY BARREL WITH THE VARMINT STOCK?

>>31805469
Savage Hog Hunter, Tikka CTR is gonna be right at your budget cap ($898 at Buds), Savage Scout+normal scope mount, Remington model 7 (NOT 700), Remington 700 SPS Tactical that you've personally handled before buying (to check fit and finish), maybe a Howa 1500 (there's a couple in the price range but I have no first hand experience with them, ask Paths).

>>31806092
Does anyone have the password for this still? I have the rar still bit somehow lost the password and the extracted files

>>31806462
Password: vietnamfuckingshits

Online archive link: https://archive.org/details/RifleAccuracyFactsFullV1.0FirstFullScan

>>31795876
These threads are better at their worst than 75% of /k/s threads are at there best, and 100% of other generals

What scope should I put of my precision ar build? I'm debating getting the primary arms platinum 1x8 mil reticle for a multi purpose optic or getting a nice 3x15-18 on a qd mount and and a red dot but have astigmatism and I'm not sure if a aim point or a trijicon mro will starburst. Im leaning toward a swfa 3x15 or a Steiner t5xi 3x15

>>31799397
How hard is it to change the stock on one? Wouldn't it fuck with how the barrel is shimmed?

>>31801885
Nikon glass is fine for budget optics. The only downside for precision shooting is that there's no side focus for AO adjustment on most of their stuff. Though, most people in the thread probably don't care and wouldn't notice a difference.

>>31806758
You don't understand how shitty this particular Nikon is. Yes, it's better than, say, the UTG that comes with a Mossberg Patriot, but it's shit even compared to a Nikon Buckmasters. Honestly it's worse than a Simmons 8-Point, which is a ~$40 scope.

It's not an off-the-shelf optic, it's one they make exclusively for package deal guns.

>>31806637
If you've got the money for a Steiner Tx5i, I'd be looking at the March 1-10x SFP or a Razor HDgen2 3-18x.

>>31806790
>It's not an off-the-shelf optic, it's one they make exclusively for package deal guns.
Oh, I didn't realize. I have one of their 3-9x p223 optics on my AR setup (not for precision shooting) and I like that one, but it sounds like their retail optics are totally different from whta you get per-installed on a mossberg.

>>31800635
Sweet, thanks for actually explaining and teaching something to a noobie instead of sperging.. Seems like thread like these are far more mature and friendly than most, even for this board.

>>31806790
Im a cheap ass and dont want to spend the money on two scopes. Could i use something like the vortex gen2 for hunting.

Really i just want a ffp scope. I know it doesnt really matter for hunting but its just a thing you know.

>>31806848
monstrum makes a reasonably priced 1-6x FFP scope that would be acceptable for a budget AR build

https://www.amazon.com/Monstrum-Tactical-1-6x24-Illuminated-Reticle/dp/B01AB3T0HY

I have this on my 10/22 actually

Guys I'm stuck between a Howa 1500 in either .308 for $389 or .223 for $349, I'll just be punching paper with it really.. I have an AR already so I like the ammo commonality but at the same time I feel it might be pointless to have a bolt .223 and an AR at the same time.. Any words of wisdom on this?

>>31806877
Would you prefer to be able to shoot 308, or would you prefer to buy fewer types of ammo?

I would choose the 308, to make sure I was covering as many common calibres as possible with my guns, but your priorities may be different.

Any comments on Bushnell dmr and hdmr?

>>31806972
My comments are that if I were going to spend that much on optics it wouldn't be from bushnell.

>>31807048
Why? The dmr gen 2 orders are booked into next year. Ffp, illuminated, good glass,5.5 erector, 34mm bomb proof tube. Lifetime no bs warranty.

>>31807323
I agree that they look great on paper, I just associate that brand name with cheap ass optics, and I know that for that money I can do very well with several other vendors.

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Bumping.

A practical or general purpose rifle: something light and handy for hunting that uses modern optics and can be emergency self defense . Basically an updated scout that takes advantage of modern optics and magazine technology.

I'll also use it to try my hand at Appleseed known distance workshops and Coopers rifle ten test:

This is one of the classic drills used by Jeff Cooper. A single IPSC "option " target is placed at 300 yards. There are five firing points, one each at 300, 275, 250, 225, and 200. The shooter stands clear of his firing point at 300 yards.

On signal the shooter moves to the firing point , assumes any position he chooses and engages the 300 yard target with two rounds. He immediately moves to the 275 yard position firing two more shots, then advances to the 250 yard position, fires two more rounds, and then to the 225 yard position where a 2 foot high baffle precludes prone or supine position and fires two more rounds. He the moves to the 200 yard position where a 3 foot high screen eliminates any position but off hand or standing and fires two rounds.

Score is based upon the hit values divide by your time in minutes, with a par time of 2 minutes. To prevent someone throwing away the two 200 yard shots you can use a separate target for the 200 yard stage. The option target is scored 5, 4, 2. A score of 40 in two minutes is considered very good.

How much would it cost to build a precesion rifle, just the barrel and action? Id like to go for a cold war sniper aesthetic while still maintaining excellent acuracy. Figured id just buy an action and quality barrel and make the stock myself, go for like an enfield mk4 look

>>31806637
Get a higher magnification. You need at least 6x if you want to see your .223 holes at 100m.
I use the SWFA 10x, and it's jolly good.

>>31809919
Around $700 for a high quality barrel and any of the off-the-shelf stripped actions.

That does not include blueprinting, and that'll only get you an R700 or Savage 10/12 action. Tack an additional grand on that for something like a BAT, Surgeon, etc "custom" action, or an additional half grand to get the regular one blueprinted and trued.

Honestly by the time you do a custom precision rifle all the way you're better off financially buying a regular AI rifle in your choice of caliber. But that isn't as fun.

>>31808316
>offhand
>at 200 yards
For what purpose? You're not going to be reliably combat accurate (18" groupings), you're damn sure not ethically accurate for hunting purposes (6-8" groupings), and practically everywhere is an expedient rest (grab a tree/boulder/other-vertical-object to brace on).

>>31809919
If you're us based you can easily buy a Remington 700, stick an m40a1 spec barrel on it (see Wikipedia) and buy a McMillan a1 stock. Get desired optic and you've built yourself a Vietnam era m40a1 sniper rifle! I've thought about doing this

>>31808316
how do you like the interchangeable grip on that?

For an updated "scout rifle" where weight matters a lot, I'd have at least tried to go with 2-piece bases instead of a monolithic pic rail. However I'm not sure you'd be able to get your eye relief right with that scope.

>>31810041
And when you find out that the ADL/BDL you raped to do it was 7 thousandths off square and the receiver was threaded crooked, making it still a 4 MOA gun even with your M40 barrel, you're gonna be sad.

>>31810022
Two reasons: to be able to do it if needed (shtf/survival) and because of the physical challenge. Remember your Boy Scout motto, anon.

>>31810004
So id basically be looking at 2500ish for just the action and barrel. Then id need to spend a fuckton more because my woodwork isnt what it used to be.

Fuck dude i just want to find one of those aia enfields so i can make it into a repro l42

>>31810077
Okay sure. I'll read that as "because I want to" because all your other points are bullshit
>shtf
Vs. humans, if you can't grab support and can't prone out due to intervening crap, that means you can slip away or reposition because all that intervening crap is cover/concealment.
>survival
If you can't grab support and can't prone out your odds of wasting your *very precious and limited* ammo on a wing-and-a-prayer shot are extremely high, because if you hit the animal anywhere other than the 6-8" circle of vitals you'll either not recover it or will have ruined the majority of the usable meat by the time you recover it via gut shot.

A very small percentage of rifle shooters will EVER get good enough at offhand shooting to be combat accurate at 200 yards (consistently), and the few who do take tens of thousands of rounds to get there. Is it doable? Yeah, probably, with good instruction and enough practice. Will YOU be able to do it? Odds are no.

>>31810127
If you want a quarter-MOA gun capable of extreme long range, yeah.

If you want a sub-MOA to MOA rifle capable of 600-750m, you can do it significantly cheaper.

Tell me your goals and I'll work something up for you.

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>>31793584
Here's my mk12/recce/SPR build

>>31810198

What do you think of the Primary Arms glass?

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>>31810216
The glass is good. On par with most Burris scopes I've dealt with. For the money it's the best scope you can get. And the ACSS reticle makes things a lot easier. Here's a 100 yd group with 77 gr smk.

>>31810169
Id be cool with a sub moa gun, i dont plan on winning any competitions.
Really i just want something that looks like wwII bolt guns that can hit a milk jug at 1000m. I figured with modern actions and barrels i could do it and just mockup a woodenstock.

I dont want to get an actual enfield or 1903 to just fuck it up you know.

>>31793017

Hey asshole, many of us have thousands of rounds of x54R and if you knew anything about that... it's berdan primed and that's why we don't handload that particular caliber.

>>31792881
Hello MO bro what DNR range do you shoot at?

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My 6.5 creedmoor bolt

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>>31810547
And self loading brother

>>31810547
>>31810569

Nice

But why MOA and not MRAD?

>>31810296
If you like the looks of a 1903, buy a stripped commercial mauser action (I think FN and CZ still sell stripped actions). If you can, check to see how true it is (I haven't found a commercial action yet that was better than 0.002" out of true but generally .003" and better will shoot very well), then buy a cut-rifled barrel for it from Krieger, Brux, Bartlein, Pac-Nor (one of the few that does carbon steel but they're expensive), or Hart. Get the barrel cut to your specific load (IE, for .30-06 for a 1903 lookalike, I'd probably get it throated for 180-190gr VLD's).

CZ has a VERY GOOD single set trigger, eliminating the need for an aftermarket trigger if you cannibalize a CZ550 for the project. Could probably get the action and barrel done for around a grand, stock would be on you if you want a milsurp-looking one.

Hitting a milk jug at a km is 99.99999% shooter. Some can do it with an off-the-rack R700/Savage 10, some couldn't do it with an Intervention and a spotter. Good luck and may the wind favor you.

>>31810374
I fuck around at Jay Henges but shoot seriously at BRRC up north. Jay's enough closer that the $4 admission more than covers the 1.5 hours' worth of gas to get to BRRC and during the week before September it's pretty chill (this time of year tho, holy shit the fudds and their durrblasters they couldn't keep 5 rounds on the entire target stand at 50y)

>>31793877
Gotta love mosins, the ironsights travel to 2,000 meters!

>>31810798
lol too bad the bullets don't.

>>31810795
I really want to join BRRC, i am dipping my toes into longer ranges . I am tired of henges and the 100yds.


I havent been able to find a sponsor or anyone who really knows about it.


You willing to sponsor a /k/ browser, who holds a white collar job , lives on his own, and doesnt eat tenndies or own a plate carrier?

>>31792945
nishing my howa 1500 build. I bedded and mounted a nightforce 20moa rail last night.


Question. What is a good 30mm aluminum ring to mount?

Should i lap the rings ?

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>>31792994
My howa 1500.

I have a Swfa 3-15 to go on it. But if there are any good black friday sales i may step that up to a 20x

>>31811647
I think that is the single ugliest rifle I've ever seen... I'm not exaggerating.

>>31810309
>Berman primed
https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/73074

Hmmmm

>>31811568
Can't, I'm still a probie myself.

Call Maureen, she'll hook you up with a sponsor. It's what I had to do.

>>31811596
I like the Millett Tactical rings. Otherwise I'd go for either a Vortex matched pair or Aero Precision precision rings.

>>31811692
Thats fine.

I didnt build it for you


>>31811832
Thanks will do.


How do you like it so far?

>>31811950
Not really what I was expecting. They completley b& reactive targets of any kind (including steel) on anywhere but the pistol range, and despite having a separate facility that's advertised as NEVER having any classes or competitions on it, there's always a fucking class or competition on it. I was also hoping for the possibility of a tactical bay I could use without participating in one of the Steel Challenge/IDPA/3-gun matches, but no dice (they don't advertise one so it was just a wish).

Only major gripe beyond facilities is basically every LEA in the region (MO, IA, IL, 3 different feds including US Marshals) uses it for training, and they're usually dicks about it.

However, the benches are world-class, they've got a couple spots dedicated to prone shooting, and the lanes and target holders are extremely well maintained.

Also I rarely have the place to myself despite normally shooting mid-morning on weekdays, it's definitely a retiree's range.

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>>31792719
>roommate comes home with rifle
>paid $1300 for a Remington 700 long range
>shoots this grouping at 100yds with federal match he spent $2 a round on

>>31812198
From what rest?

Did he clean it before he shot it?

Did he check to make sure the scope/mounts/bases were clean, properly mounted, and properly torqued?

Vertical stringing like that is almost always the shooter's fault, even on lemon Remingtons it's almost always a shotgun pattern, not a vertical line.

>>31812238
Shot from a normal bench using the bipod
>clean
Lol he bought it brand new, he just sucks
Blamed wind for the reason he was missing

>>31812265
And no rear bag?

Didn't clean the barrel?

Blamed wind for VERTICAL stringing?

lol that rifle is wasted on him.

>>31812198
the verticle is more than likely his breathing and trigger pull, and the horizontal could be a mix of wind, gun, and trigger finger placement.

Unless he has another gun that is a proven tack driver that was shot on the same day, I'd just about guarantee it was shooter error and not loose screws / lemon 700.

>>31812327
He went to a range maybe 3(?) times before letting some lucky salesman at Florida gun exchange take him for a ride
(there's a reason they can afford that fancy koi pond out front)
>>31812397
There's nothing wrong with the gun, he let me take one shot with it and I put a round right on the +
As for wind, he shoots maybe 3-4" off center and blames wind on his inability to be on target with 150gr 30-06 at 100yds
I fear for the poor deer he plans on hunting this winter

>>31809919
Brownells sells R700 actions for like 4-500, you can then send it of to LRI who will blueprint the action for $300. you can then pay another 300 for a top shelf SS bbl and then another 300 to get it chambered. In all you'd be looking at ~1500 total with shipping to get a R700 action completely done. If you could find a cheap 700 adl/bdl at the local pawn shop then you could just get rid of everything but the action and you'd save about 1-200 depending on how much the rifle cost at the shop. Regardless of what action you use, if you make your own stock get aluminum pillars installed correctly otherwise you'll have issues as seasons change.

>>31812479
You need to teach him how to into rifle.

>>31811596
seekins rings

>>31812618
I'd love to, but he refuses to listen to me even when I tell him that $2 a round is not, in fact "reasonable" for any 30-06 you can buy

>>31812085
No steel.... that blows.

I can only shoot weekends.
I wonder how crowded it is on weekends.

Is it true they are putting in a 1000yd?

What's the best rifle for a noob who doesn't want to spend too much now but wants to upgrade?

Thinking Howa 1500 Targetmaster in .308, but happy to look at more

>>31812238
Are you assuming that ANY shooter with a rifle should be able to get good 100m groupings?... Even inexperienced ones?

>>31813346
No. Buy a howa 1500 barreled action from brownells. And put it n a bell&carlson medalist stock.

Egw scope rail. And a swfa 10x scope and rings.

On black friday the scopes will be like $250.
The barrled action in a heavy or varmit profile is about 425, the stock is around 250.

I would also say 6.5 creedmoor but if your buying commercial ammo and 6.5 is had to get near you, then 308.


All told you will have an excellent gun for
$700 before scope.

The package howas your going to toss the stock and scope anyway. So just goto brownells and buy the barreled action.

>>31813991
So what makes a good stock besides having everything inlet straight and the foreend not in contact with the barrel?

A big ass mulberry tree was felled on my dad's property by lightning and I want to carve it into a stock for him.

>>31814601
good luck with that

green wood must be dried in a controlled fashion or the wood will crack

most "precision quality" wood stocks are stabilized. The most stabilized wood is laminated layers, vacuum impregnated and cured under pressure.

You could probably find someone to process your tree into a usable blank.

>>31792902
>24.1gr
fucking shit dude, you realize more isn't always better

Try 22.0 H335 with the 77gr SMK

>>31792987
A tikka is going to be a better quality rifle. I bet 100 dollars on that statement.

>>31815020
I'm aware its going to take some time, right now have the bark still on and the ends sealed with tar to hopefully prevent the worst of the cracking. I've heard soaking in water extracts sugars and helps with drying afterwords but lumber processing has more fuddlore than guns.

I could easily set up a vacuum chamber with the cheapness of the pumps these days. but having it dry without warping or cracking after I put a couple dozen hours into it is a major concern. I don't trust the Amish near me and they are the only ones with a sawmill so I'd prefer to do everything myself.

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>>31811596

I used the Vortex Viper rings, that split on the side. They're great, I even have a set on my 300 wm.

Would a Vortex viper hs-t 6-24x50 be a good optic for someone who is new to precision shooting?
Just looking for something to learn on and figure out if it's something I want to continue with.

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>>31815967
Logic seems sound, glass is alright, SFP is less desired for some folks than other, ( I leave my variable set at the scale my Mil's work)

6-24 Might be a bit much,m lots of folks use 4-14 or so for 100-800 yards, and some passed that for hits on steel etc etc. I posted a link explaining the difference between good and bad glass at lower levels, but the same sorta thing still apply. With that 24X magnification you are magnifying any imperfections in the glass.

That all said, get what you want or you will not be happy, if you can, get your hands on that optic first and sit behind it for a moment or two.

> buy once, cry once.

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>>31815288
Read up on stock curing. It could take 5-20+ years to properly cure. Forced curing is bad for wood.

https://www.doublegunshop.com/phiatt4.htm

>>31816163
This seems to refer to more bespoke naturally stocks. This seems to be kind of the epitome of fuddlore, are you telling me no one since the time of Browning has done anything to seed up the process? That no one has even attempted to try and mimic the conditions in which the wood fibers expand and contract?

Though it might simply be the fact laminates and polymers more or less took the place of normal wood, suppose this is another rabbit hole to go down.

>>31815967
Depends on your definition of precision.

Glass and working up a decent load are the biggest factors.

>>31813266
Weekends are no worse than weekdays, and it's rarely actually "crowded" outside of match days.

They're supposed to be putting in a 1km range...at some point...but haven't even finalized plans much less broken ground. I wouldn't hold my breath for it.

>>31813897
"good" as in 1-1.5" 3-shot groups, from a bench with front and rear bags? Absolutely, yes. But not off a bipod with no rear support, at least for novices.

>>31815072
>52gr FB SMK
>52gr
24.1gr is a mild load for that. There's like a dozen "matchking" bullets in .22cal ranging from 50-90gr.

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>>31815967
If you're brand-new I'd recommend either a Bushnell Elite 3200 fixed-10x or the SWFA fixed-10x. 10 power will take you to 600m on 12" gongs with no issues at all, and an experienced shooter can push that to 1000m. They're lighter and significantly less expensive than the cheapest "acceptable" precision variable, and will generally have better glass quality as fixed-power scopes have fewer lenses and less going on mechanically that can get cocked up.

That being said, what is YOUR definition of precision shooting? Is it 100m benchrest where anything other than a sub-0.25" 10-shot group isn't even competitive, or is it LR-Tactical where you're ringing 8-20" gongs from 600-1200m? How much you're having to dial wind will be a big determining factor on which scope you want (milrad vs. 1/4MOA vs. 1/8MOA).

For example, my 100-300m benchrest rifle wears a fixed-35x Leupold with 1/8 MOA turrets, because the difference between having half of a 0.3" group in the 10-ring vs. all in the X-ring is only about 1/32nd of an inch.

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Horrible pic but I'm starting to get back into precision shooting and long range in general.
Savage model 10 6.5 memedmoor
Weaver scope rings
Primary arms mil dot ffp.
Cheap but I'll probably do things in time. I make a new pay grade with in the next year and a half or so.

>>31816115
The other optic i was looking at was a Nightforce SHV 4-14x50, i dont mind paying that for a scope, I would just hate to spend that much just to find out im not interested it it.
Thats the reason i was looking at the vortex is that is $600, that way i could get my feet wet learning the basics before i move up to something better if i wanted to.

I know the buy once cry once phrase holds true when it comes to optics, so i might just buy the Nightforce. If all else fails and im not interested i could always sell it and get some of my money back.

Any recommendations for a good scope thats not over $1500?

>>31810022
What? Yes you can

>>31816891
Im just looking for something that can get me 1" groups if i do my part, but also long range out to 700 yards (or further, rumor has it my range is setting up for 1000 yards) which is how far the range i just joined goes to.
I have experience reloading and i know the importance of working up a good load, so i have that covered. I've just never had the means no shoot over distance until now.

>>31811720
Out of stock and .50c a round. I don't think so

>>31816960

24" barrel? That's ideal for the meme round

>>31809976
I was thinking(even with the naysayer in this thread) about getting the new gen 2 Bushnell dmr gen 2 out their lrsi 3x12. Would a 3x12 be good enough to use on a higher caliber like 308 one I make the step up or would the 3.5x21 really be worth the extra could hundred

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>>31817266
A good get your feet wet scope would be the SWFA HD fixed imo, but like you said the NF holds value better.
If you are like super new, the normal SS fixed is a good option and will last you a decent while, while not breaking the bank sitting at 300$ new.

Sniper's hide is a decent place to find used optics. Just my .02

Picture
Another good chart, you could change the "human" shapes into anything else and keep the same idea.

>>31817994
Is this why you're not supposed to have your hands in your pockets in the military?

>>31817417
Please post 200m offhand groups then.

Because I'm a regionally competitive silhouette shooter (3 position) and I cannot reliably keep 10 bullets on a full-size ram silhouette at 200m offhand.

As I said in the post you linked, there ARE people who can, but they are extremely few and far between.

EEEEEEE

Nightforce just got put on 3point5!

>>31818072
This, any claims about group sizes in PRG must be posted, even if it's only a 25m off hand, at least you'd post a group.

>>31818228
Disregard, they're being cocksuckers and only selling their SFP scopes on it.
>huge long edu-game about the SHV F1 4-14x FFP
>won't sell you it

>>31818047
Lol no, is because it looks unprofessional

>>31817513
I don't really remember off the top of my head I'll have to see.

So since this is precision shooting general and not precision rifle general, does pistol precision shooting go here as well?

If so, any recommendations on a target pistol that's neither a Sig nor a 1911?

Thoughts on a Tikka T3x Lite? Thinking either .223 or .308, would be first modern production bolt action. I get them for half off MSRP

>>31819465
The barrel is thin and you will have POI shift in competition use or when taking multiple shots quickly.
But it's light, cheap and has good fist shot accuracy. So not taking into account price, as a hunting rifle it's gtg, match rifle not so much.

>>31819465
As the poster above me mentioned, they're excellent for mobile applications like hunting but heavy barrel variants outshine them in benchrest precision applications. Look at the tikka CTR or varmint profile barrels if you can still get that discount if you want that use

>>31819361
CZ, duh.

>>31821250
SP-01? Sport model? Do they make any 6"?

>>31821344
Sorta, the Czechmate and Tactical Sports have a 5.23" barrel..
http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-75-ts-czechmate-9mm-black-2x20-rd-1x26-rd-mags/

if I was to start building a precision rig should I go 6.5 Cree Smoot or .308?

>>31822545

I like 308 because I plink a lot with cheap ZQI 308 ammo. Ballistically though, it's nowhere near 6.5 CM.

If you are less concerned with recreational shooting, and want a better round, go for 6.5 CM. If you want to plink with it, and have inexpensive and available hunting/plinking ammo, 308 is great.

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This is My Mosin that I have been tinkering with for a while, at 100 Yards its under 1 MOA before the barrel heats up to bad. Yes, I have put to much money into a relic but fuck you I do what I want.

>>31822545
If you reload I'd do the 6.5. Paths has a good point about plinking, but Prvi makes a couple 6.5 FMJs that are dirt cheap, a plinking load would be under 30cpr and not wear your brass out.

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>>31822545
Unless you're exclusively shooting under 500yd, do 6.5CM. I assume you're going to reload as well.

Is that a Dr. Grabow

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6.5cm goodness

>>31825737
Makes my dick hard

>>31826506
Those should be tighter, assuming you're doing your part.

Judging by charge weights, I'm assuming TAC is the powder?

newbie here needing some advice on reloading

>>31826643
What caliber?

What's the intended purpose and result?

What equipment do you already have?

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Still need to get better at reading wind :(
>100y bays are bermed on 3 sides
>300y bay (where the 200y group was shot) isn't bermed at all, wind is murder there

On the plus side, this rifle is FUCKING AWESOME and I couldn't have hoped for better results from a Shilen blank.

>>31825737

ELD-X bullets?

>>31826506
Try 25.1

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>>31826506

Were the conditions shit that day? My AR will same hole 75 gr Hornady OTM.

>>31827749
Hey path, I'm debating on building a Precision Ar, any ideas where to start, don't worry about budget,

>>31827958

White Oak, just pick your length and options.

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>>31792719
bump

>>31827610
Yes

>>31830821
And stolen....lol

>>31827958
If there truly is no budget, go to compass lake engineering. They keep krieger/bartlein bbls in stock and can sell a headspaced bolt for 60$ more.

If you want full on customized you can talk to them about your build, buy the parts you want, send em in and cle will build it all together for ya. I've never heard of anyone saying bad things about compass lake.

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>>31792719
What drop in savage barrel should I go with? I have a model 10 trophy hunter in .243 that I'd like to drop into a B&C m40 stock and get a stainless barrel for it. Pic related.

>>31831467
If you want a thick, target/tactical barrel there's no reason to not go with Krieger or Brux.

If you want something thinner I'd go with Hart or BHW.

I don't think BHW has quite the accuracy potential of a good cut-rifled barrel, but they foul significantly less and you typically get a bit better velocity from the same loads. My one BHW barrel is still a sub-MOA barrel but it's not a quarter-MOA barrel like my Krieger or half-MOA like my Shilens.

>>31831467
keep the factory one until its shot out. 243 is hard on throats. get better at shooting before learning on a nice barrel only to burn it out.

also, thats a beautiful gun and i love 243.

>>31831467

243 Ackely Improved with a chamber long enough for VLD bullets

Or just throw a 6.5 CM barrel on it and you'll be good.

For an M39, handloads of 200gr lapua bullets are incredibly accurate. My old Sako used to put op between .5 and .6 MOA. I'd sometimes get under .5 if conditions out were 100% perfect. On a still, calm day I once got a 3-group average of .39 MOA at 100m.

The thing's accuracy prompted someone to offer me $1600 for it, so I sold it. I want another, maybe this time I'll go for a nice unissued B barrel off gunbroker or something since Mrs. Burns sold her inventory to Classic Fucktards.

>>31826768
Late reply since i posted last night..

30-06 savage 110, already have equipment for loading just wondering what grain increments to work up a load and figure out how to adjust the die for only neck sizing(fullsize)

>>31833416
Will the 6.5 work in a short action though? For some reason I though the 6.5 was one of the long action models.

>>31833756
6.5cm is s/a
6.5x55 swiss is l/a so maybe that is what you're thinking of

If youre wanting to keep the rifle in the 6mm class look at 6mm creedmoor. Hornady has plans to release 6mm cm match ammo starting q1 2017. It's going to be their 108 eld-m being pushed just under 3k in their 24" test bbl.

>>31817484
>Brass is only good once
OK buddy.

>>31833842
That's interesting. I wouldn't mind having a 6.5 setup. Another reason to waste money.

>>31834016
Humans are inherently mad, introducing more madness into an obsession like precision shooting opens doors some don't come back from. There are tales of caverns deep within mountains filled with the sound of small bore hyper velocity bullets fired from infernal contraptions bolted to the very core of the earth

>>31833693
You really can't adjust a full-length sizing die to only neck size, you'd have to buy a neck-sizing die.

There's really nothing wrong with FL resizing, it's just a little harder on brass.

When I reload for accuracy, I do ladder loads in batches of 5 in 0.2gr increments until I hit an accuracy node, then re-do a smaller ladder in 0.1gr increments. Once that's figured out, I then play with seating depth to see if I can shrink groups even more.

For .30-06, if you're after a match load I'd be looking at SMK's/TMK's or VLD's in the 175-190gr range. One of the major advantages handloading '06 has over .308 is it tolerates heavier bullets much better.

>>31833756
Yes, 6.5CM is basically a necked-up .22-250. The brass is shorter than a .308 specifically so the round fits in .308 AR mags even with the heavy-for-caliber match bullets in the 140gr range. This is the big reason it's more popular than .260rem and 6.5x284, which normally have to be single-loaded in SA rifles when loaded with 129gr+ bulets even though they're *technically* short action calibers.

>>31796754
I don't own it, but a friend of mine uses a Vortex PST on his 3gun AR. I've looked through it, it's pretty nice.

>>31834998
Thanks, do you just put a bullet in a sized case and chamber it to find the seating depth?

>>31837219
I have the Hornady chamber gauge, but that'd also work.

A lot of match bullets are pointy enough that you'll probably run out of magazine room before you get them touching the lands, unless you're willing to single-load or have an action significantly longer than the round it's chambered in (such as a 6.5x284 built on a long action).

Also, different bullet designs seem to have a preference on how far off the lands they're seated. Bergers like to be jammed into the lands, Barnes like to be 30-40 thousandths off the lands, and Sierras like to be 5-10 thousandths off the lands. Now, every rifle is a little different, but these are good starting points.

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Great thread guiz.

Thanks for contributing.

3x12 mag about adequate for an ar?

>>31840250
Depends on what you're doing with it.

For my long-range rig I have a 4-16x, but on my 100m benchrest AR I have a fixed 40x.

>>31801692
>ppc

This guy knows whats up.

>>31806561
Canadian general us decent until we hit pol degeneration

>>31833842
>swiss
Its swede

>>31837293
Thank you friend, im loading game ki gs right now and got it good enough for durr but I would like to push it beginning next spring

>>31792881
henges?

>>31792751
That's a finger joint my man

>>31844846

Noted senpai.

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Put a new comp on the other day and zeroed it. Pretty dam happy with it so far

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Am at work, we sell several budget precision rifles that would be good starter guns.

Willing to take pics. ama.

>>31844557
Yus

Guys, I've got astigmatism in my right eye and I'm a righty shooter, so targets looks like an indiscernable blob at distance through iron sights- making it harder to shoot accurately. Is there a recommended compensation? Shooting with both eyes open? Shooting right handed with left eye? Fucking it all and try to become ambidextrous shooting left handed with my better left eye?

>>31846478
Get contacts and/or use an optic with adjustable diopter.

An adjustable diopter isnt a perfect fix as it doesnt do a ton for astigmatism but it does help.

>>31846478
Well most targets are only dichromatic. You could try finding (or making) one that's in various bright or easily distinguishable colors. 10 ring in one color, 9 ring in another, and so on. Maybe that would help

>>31842496
swede
my b

>>31819361
Tanfoglio Witness Stock or Limited

>>31806474
HNNNNGGGGGGG

>>31792828
WOW, that is some nice shooting.
Were you shooting on any kind of incline? Ambient temperature and humidity? What were the winds like...cross straight on or favorable.

>>31845680
Well, that didn't go so well.
>goddamn I'm horrible at taking pictures
Anyway, offer still stands.

BTW, the R700 ADL-Varmints we have in actually have pretty smooth bores. Not that I could get a decent pic of them tho :(