Middle East Thread "ALEPPO SOON EDITION"

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ALEPPO, SYRIA (the PM 12:45) - of The Kurdish-led "Syrian Democratic Forces" (the SDF) Carried out a successful The ambush Against a group of Turkish Army soldiers and the Islamist Rebels near the key town of Mar'e in northern Aleppo.

According to the a pro-the rebel "Syrian Observatory for the Human Rights" (SOHR), the surprise attack WAS Carried out AT the Twihineh area of northern Aleppo, near the Shahba the Dam.

of the SOHR Also added That MANY Turkish soldiers and Rebels Were Killed Seized as with a result of this abrupt attack in northern Aleppo on Saturday night.

Can someone redpill me on war in general? All I can tell from clips is people shooting randomly from cover at nothing at particular. What range do small arms have? Artillery? How would an actuall assault on an urban area play out? How many soldiers in a formation? Are my questions making sense, I don't even know how to ask properly. Thanks

>>31773818
that's bullshit but i'll believe it

>>31773735
Mr. Assad I'm Presidential Guard

>>31773836
Make your own thread; this one is about Syria.

>In Iraqi News
ISIS launched an attack on Rutbah, taking over most of the town and severing the Baghdad-Jordan route.

>>31773897
Jesus christ, is the army in bed with them or something? How the fuck did they take it over this fast?

>>31773836

Firstly,

>redpill

Back to redit.

Secondly, you want to learn about war? Forget about Iraq/Syria. It's a confusing mess of disorganized rebel groups and 'militaries' fucking around in a desert.

They're shooting randomly at nothing in particular because they're arabs. Most of them are untrained, most of them are zealous religious nutjobs, and most of them are also just plain retarded.

Some of the factions have artillery, but it's not used to great effect because they don't have that much of it and don't know how to use it or employ it tactically.

Assaults upon urban areas boil down to 'shoot lots and rush in with technicals and armor', or in ISIS' case, rush in with VBIEDs.

How many soldiers in a formation depends on how many guys they have. There are units, but it's not particularly organized or well planned out.

Go make your own thread and learn about a real war.

>>31773897
>>31773925
>this is a thread about the syrian war
>war
I think I'm in the right place. It is you who are lost. If you want to talk about Syria I would gladly point you to /sg/ on /pol/.

>>31773915
Their 'take over' will probably end like the Kirkurk battle in a larger intrusion.

Then of course, the army and PMU is concentrated on Mossul and even the Anbar ones are planning a border offensive and were looking the other way.
And of course they still are pretty shit, no matter how much they may fap to each other, now that after 2 years of nonstop western air campaigns and massive manpower ad equipment advanges they finally push ISIS out of their towns,

>>31773947

If you want to learn about war in general, make your own thread.

If you want to learn about the Syrian war, shut up and listen, or go look at the older threads on the archive.

>>31773947
I think I can do without retards who have hardly any idea what they are talking about and mostly spout one-sided propaganda and muh funy memes.

>>31773947

Fuck off, you dumb nigger. I'm trying to help you.

You want to learn about coordinated artillery use, unit formations, actual tactics? This isn't the war for you, Even the shitshow in Ukraine is a better example of those than Syria/Iraq.

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what kind of tank is it?
<-------------------<-------------------<
loc: syria
belongs to roach-army

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The PMU brought the big guns

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And though you are in a desert, bringing a boat with you in case it starts heavily raining is never wrong

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>>31773978

Turkshit

>>31774021
which model..

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>>31773978

It's an M60T with the turret traversed to the rear.

You can just about make out the cupola on top of the turret, and the thing sticking up at an angle is the open hatch from it.

>>31774006
what is that? looks impressive but also lightweight, kinda.

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>>31774060

It may not even have the turret turned. Here's a similar angle of one.

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>spray and pray

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T1VKz3cnBw

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>>31774071

I think it's a Type 59-1

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>>31774060
the barrel looks different. I also miss the smaller hunchbacks on top of it. compared to their sabra's this tank looks stretched.

Also: how do you call the big bulp in the barrel?

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>>31774106
The guy who posted it said its a D-20.
I dont have a clue, the iraqis have both weapons, but both are ancient.

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>>31774207

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>>31774207
It is definitely PL-83/Type 83.

>>31774176

Bore evacuator.

Considering the shit quality of the picture, I don't think it's too unlikely that it's been squashed vertically, making it look longer than it is. The barrel does look kind of long, though.

It's definitely not any of the other Turkish tanks. The Altay isn't in service, the Leopard 2's turret is much boxier and doesn't extend as far over the engine deck (and the gun is too short), and the bore evacuator of the Leopard 1 has a flat back end to it, unlike the sloped back you see in the picture. The Turks don't operate anything else.

I'm very confident in saying it's an M60T.

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>>31774101

Aleppo update
SOHR ; about 20 Militants Were killed by SAA & Allies during coltrol Air Defense Battalion south Aleppo.

>>31773818
Bullshit as fuck lmaoo. Kys Mandic you vatnik monkey.

>>31774011
I always wondered why rebels aren't using there small boats as sleds dragged behind the tank. There were dozens of videos of rebels advancing by walking behind a tank. Just put a sled behind the tank and drag, it might not be the comfiest ride but it would be faster than just walking and they would be lest exposed.

>>31774354
>monkey
not an argument

>>31773818
I gave up on N.Aleppo. Kurds are putting out some much shit its not even funny.
>>31774243
Didn't SAA already control it.

>>31774406

I guess friction would wear them out and/or hitting any kind of bump at speed would send arabs flying everywhere.

You could probably make a trailer for towing infantry with, but at that point you might as well just use an APC or improvised battlebus.

It's not like they advance behind tanks for any long periods of time, anyway. They just use them as cover during assaults.

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aleppo is like a country in the heart of an country. some celeberate while others get bombed. only a few blocks are between them. crazy.

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this support the Russian army with the support of the Syrian forces set of small trucks UAZ "Patriot" is equipped with a heavy machine gun 12.7 mm grenade launchers to protect humanitarian convoys.

And quoting a source in the Russian Defense Ministry, the newspaper "Komsomolskaya Pravda" reported that Russian light vehicles have been sent to Syria already, to enable the army to suppress enemy fire in a radius of up to 2 km. The Russian newspaper that the arms can be installed on board the revolving tower, allowing the user to change the arc of fire immediately, and if necessary, can the car is equipped with anti-tank "Cornet", capable of hitting enemy targets at distances up to 5 km.

He has said Syrian Information Minister Ali al-Ahmed adviser, said in the report issued by the company, "Toyota" on the sources of supply of the "Daesh" thousands of cars, it was not surprising for us, but confirmed the information that we had talked on them since the beginning war on Syria for sources of funding, "Daesh."

It should be noted that the results of the investigation conducted by the "Toyota" the Japanese company about the sources of supply of the "Daesh" thousands of cars, has confirmed that the four Arab countries bought and handed over to the organization. And after that the Russian military handed the Japanese car company "Toyota" pictures of the dozens of cars confiscated by the Syrian army in the battles on the ground have all been with "Daesh." According to sources, the Syrian and Russian governments may Tzlmta of the company, "Toyota" a preliminary report on the cars received by the company from the Russian military intelligence pictures, and it was the most prominent are the following: that the 22,500 car bought by import Saudi citizenship company, while Qatar has bought 32,000 car, bought Emirates 11650 car, the Jordanian army, and imported 4,500 cars the adoption of credit from several banks Saudi citizenship. All of which are now with the organization Daesh.

>>31774011
Hmmm

So how does one resolve a Religious/Civil/Proxy war?

Any suggestions?

I'm in favor of somehow getting the rebels and the Syrian forces to tackle ISIS forces in collaboration but thats wishful thinking. America and Russia would have to collaborate to somehow exchange information they both have on ISIS and relay that information to both forces to put ISIS at an extreme disadvantage. No data is invaluable in a war. It would continue to be a proxy war but if lucky the one side will be forced t submit.

Feel free to disagree with me through. How does one fix such a clusterfuck?

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Assad-Ferrari sized by SDF aleppo

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>>31776469
>How does one fix such a clusterfuck?
start an another one (cuz you lack the balls nuking your archenemy)

Apparently IS took re control of Rutbah

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SDF during counter offensive against roaches, aleppo

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what kind of camouflage is this? (SDF)

>>31776493
I didn't think ES had any BMPs. All the pics that I saw were just Toyota.

>>31776693

It looks chinese.

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>>31776693

so SDF wearing FSA flags now ?
suuuure is SDF

KEK

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they are still arround: YPG Foreign Volunteers

they look somewhat strange. crazy?

>>31776882
>r9k goes on a field trip

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>>31776923

>>31776770
What are you complaining about exactly?
Multiple FSA units are part of the SDF and many of them of course still use their old flags.

>>31774414
No they lost it after the rebel offensive which temporarily lifted the siege on east aleppo like two or three months ago.

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WW3 when? How's that russian aircraft carrier group going lads

>>31774445
>>31774445
Really makes you think...

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There have been reports of jihadists firing artillery into W.Aleppo and the humanitarian corridors during the ceasefires and a build up of rebel forces in the south and north ready to try again to break the siege.

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>>31778062
Takfiri genocide, best day of my life

Social nationalist Ba'athist final victory soon

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I could swear, the southern turkish border looked different the last time I checked a map, but what do I know.

>Iraq could do with: more SNCOs; less COD/airsoft operator fashion

>>31779205
2nd Ottoman Empire when?

>>31779205
Why so statist? Turkey is just border fluid. They were born that way.

>>31779205
hypothetically could that even work? Turkey annexing everything I mean. I'm guess no, massive unrest.

>>31780094
I don't understand why they want to? Annexing Kurdish Iraq and Syria would leave them like 50% Kurdish.

>>31780107
bizarre Ottoman empire fetish.

How did the Ottmans deal with the huge variance of people's living under them anyways?

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>>31774207
They should send those to Ukraine and have them repair them.

>>31780126
Strict Class Society >:)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mmwC4zoXgo
Western Volunteers with the Peshmerga providing medical aid. People thought they were special forces but their gear is all self-bought like what you would expect from the gearqueer thread

I just realized that this whole self driving car thing that's a few years out is gonna allow vbied use without even wasting an extremist. I wonder if middle eastern countries will ban self driving stuff, or at least restrict it much more heavily than elsewhere.

>>31781352
pretty cringe desu

>>31776693
I believe it's Tibetarn. Can get it for real cheap on aliexpress under PLA camo or something along those lines.

>>31773836
I'll get shit on for this a bit, but /pol/'s Syria General is fairly indepth and has resources for understanding the conflict and how its come about.

>>31780126
relative freedom of religion and culture aslong as taxes are paid.

sure turkified a bunch of their old vassals though.

>>31784338
this. Also they were incredibly de-centralized, to the point where it became an issue in governing such a large empire.

Governors would auction off the rights to tax certain areas. This is why Maghreb and Egypt were lost to the Europeans, because they had no central command and because the local rulers sometimes made deals with the Europeans (like with Egypt) Also they played off the notion that the Sultan was the defender of Islam, and thus Muslims should help protect Islam via the Ottoman Empire.

>>31782018
Imagine a fleet of self driving carbombs headed towards a target.

Turkshits will do the big mistake of supporting sunni moderate terrorists while believing they can befriend the YPG in Irak and bomb it in Syria...

They're going to have a kurdish insurrection even larger now, and this makes me happy.

Turkey will be the new Israel in the middle east. Nobody will like them. Nobody will follow them. Nobody will obey them.

And these people are America third biggest ally in the region after israel and the kingsom of saudi arabia.

With friends like this, who needs an ennemy ?

Even leftists cucks in Europe hate them now.

>>31782018
>>31784369

I'm not sure if they could. Delivery of VBIEDs usually require that the driver deliberately break driving rules or even go off-road in order to reach their target, shit that autonomous driving system actively avoid.

Plus it's costlier and more time-consuming to rig an autonomous car with complicated electronics into a VBIED, when militants have ample supply of willing meatbags to drive them anyway. Cost-effectiveness always win in the end.

So I've been out for a while.

How much did I miss since Turkey-aided rebels moved into Jarabulus?

>>31784481
>befriend the YPG in Irak?
>new Israel in the middle east?

Turks crushed PKK in the cities after those guys had a decade of buildup. Kurds fucked themselves, for the first time in history they had a political party in government, they could have been part of a new government but instead they they argued and lost everything and are now stuck in the mountains taking potshots. I will never understand why PKK throwaway HDPs victory.

>>31784607
Not much, the biggest military victory since then was SAA Al Quds taking Handarat camp and Turkish FSA going to blows with Afrin YPG and getting close to SAA lines in Syria.

For updates IS claims to be over running Rutbah, Iraq at this time.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m32V4NSOTNQ

>>31784481
There is no YPG in Irak. Seriously, if you cant differentiate the YPG, PUK and KPD then you have no rights at all to speak about the kurdish situation.

>>31780094
Diplomatically probably not. Just look at the Crimean shitstorm.
But their longterm plans are probably a turkish-run safe-zone in northern Syria which could turn into a sort of turkish protectorate of the innocent sunni population against the evils of Assad, Kurds and ISIS.

The same has already happened partwise in Northern Iraq, where Turkey has pledged to support the peshmerga against any iraqi move to regain any ground lost to them since the ISIS war, particularly in the Kirkuk issue. Turkey (and Israel funny enough) are the only ones who would buy oil produced illegally in the kurdish oilfields there.

Turkey might also try to present themselfs as protectors of sunnis and majorities (who are wary how ineffective kurdish protection had been in the last two years) against the shia iraqi cental governemtn and renewed ISIS agression.

Also, say whatever you want about Erdogan, but up till last year Turkey was often seen as one of the largest losers amongst the recent middle east happenings and he turned the whole situation pretty well around since then (minus the kurdish insurgency in southern turkey, that one was stupid).

>>31784974

>>31784974
There is nothing wrong with this target list. These can be considered rebel logistic and food sources aka military targets.

>>31784900
Doesn't the PKM have a non-disintegrating belt? How do you shoot that without 12 feet of empty belt hanging out of your gun?

>>31784900
>when you want future tech, but can't design new guns

>>31784985
If you really want to go against arab logistics just blow up herds of sheep.

>>31784974
Where are the bakeries?

>>31774071
Chinese Type 83 152mm towed gun.

>>31784987

PKM belts come in 25, 50, 100, and 250 round lengths, which are linked together. When you shoot the belt's length, it disconnects from the next belt and falls out.

I'd imagine most PKM gunners use the 50 or 100 round belts.

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>>31785204

Done.

>>31778149
>Ba'athist final victory soon
YES
PLEASE

Somewhat related:
>Turkey’s military and procurement officials are mulling the options of upgrading hundreds of German-made Leopard 2 and U.S.-made M60 main battle tanks.

>One senior procurement official familiar with the program said that about 100 Leopard 2s and 300 M60s would go through an upgrade program. Industry sources say such upgrades would cost Ankara anywhere between $2 million to $3 million per tank. A bunch of 300 to 400 tank upgrades will have a total cost of more than $1 billion.
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/turkey-mulling-upgrade-to-leopard-2s-m60s

What I read from this is that Turkey is not happy with what their armor could currently offer
and
That they believe there is a good chance those tanks would see use in the very near future likely inside Syria and Iraq, I'll explain.
For a (much much) better military in the mid term, it would be better to buy new tanks and scrap the old M-60's and Leopards. However such a program would take a nearly a decade, while upgrading old tanks could be finished in a few years...

If this goes through then it'll show that Turks adamantly believe shit is going to go down in the next 1-2 years.

>>31784221
>baiting this hard.

/pol/s SG is good if you'd like to learn from a bunch of kids who know nothing about ME history except a couple of cherry picked events that made some headlines during their short life on earth.
Frankly most of them don't even know shit about the Syrian civil war dating more than 2 years back.
They know next to nothing about militaries or wars in general, most have not served in a military or traveled outside of the US.

mix ignorance with a healthy dose of bias and echo chamber effects and you'll get /pol/'s SG.

>>31776469
>resolve
Like any other conflict.
Either one side wins and destroys the other.
Or one side gets too tiered to keep fighting
Or both.

As an external party our only options are to hasten any of these outcomes by military or logistical means.

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>>31784974

>>31785867
This.
/pol/ SG is just a bunch of kids passing around jpeg of conspiracy theories about the so called hidden motive of a war. These theories just echo their usual conspiracy stuff with total disregard of the current geopolitics of these countries.

It's fun but honestly there isn't anything really interesting to be discussed there.
Also any tentative to share real Info or debunk stupidity ends up being called jidf or shill ...

Just a friendly reminder that /k/ is a shitting ground for egdy faggots and vatnikbot testing ground where american 'gun owners' with homosexual tendencies like to jack each other off and seriously think they can fight in a war or kill people because they have guns to shoot at bottles.
The saddest part of this shithole you call a 'weapons board' are these 'middle east threads' where most of you root for isis or 'fsa' or al nusra because your tax money went to them so they could kill Assad, but failed.
Dont bother, any of you, you dont know what the fuck goes on there, you dont know what the fuck are you shitposting about, russian troll bots are being tested on your weak minds and you are giving money to people that are paid to post and piss you off.

Then there is this turkroach >>31786374

fuck you you will die or remain crippled sooner or later

So what im saying is that you should all just stop with these threads on /k/, you have no idea what the fuck are you doing, you are useless no matter how much you like guns, nothing will ever change it.

/sg/ killed more terrorists than the entire gay squad of /k/ users that were in the military (probably because they are too retarded and risk their lives as mercenaries thinking its honorable and everyone will honestly think the bullshit they tell themselves).
You should stick to you nuttsackfestivals in the deep woods where you have sex with each other and shoot guns.

>>31784985
>These can be considered rebel logistic and food sources aka military targets

True to some point, but it is generally frowned upon (by Westerners atleast).

>>31786429
You fixed your post yet? I saw it get delated and you added the western part. My response was and is in the Syrian civil war both sides routinely commit would be considered war crimes(and in Iraq too). I find it acceptable in this context. It's not like any of these people will ever face charges for war crimes.

>>31786477
Also America is bombing several countries illegally and there are still some old bomber crews left over from WW2 we could be charging with deliberately targeting civilians

>>31786477

>You fixed your post yet? I saw it get delated and you added the western part.

That is true, however the main reason for me deleting it was so I could greentext the relevant part, the western part was an afterthought. I didn't intend for it to come across as be backtracking or some shit, promise.

>My response was and is in the Syrian civil war both sides routinely commit would be considered war crimes(and in Iraq too)

No arguing there. My point was that your statement is true (they can be considered military targets) but to say

>There is nothing wrong with this target list

is a bit misleading in a Western context, which was what I had in mind. However, you explained your point and I agree with you.

>>31786501
No disagreement here. I have no moral problem with the Ruaf air campaign in Syria.

>>31786425
I don't understand why you feel the need to defend SG here. I love the weapons and tactics part of these wars. I could careless what SG does. It sounds like SG threads are fun in their own way. I personally don't care want side you root for. It sounds like you let FSA fans get under your skin and want to take it out on all of us.

>>31786425
Were you never taught how to construct proper sentences? I am guessing you are no older than fourteen.

>most of you root for isis or 'fsa' or al nusra
What? If you have spent any length of time here you would know that 'most root' for Assad and/or the Kurds.

>>31786605
you ate some pasta bro

>>31786616
I think the pasta is growing. I remember it being much shorter.

>>31786616
There's too many to keep up. Also that inane rambling wasn't far off a /pol/ tier post.

there were some posts (from mandic i think) earlier that talked about the turks bombing kurds in syria
was that just bullshit? what happened?

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>>31786669
It's true. Erdogan is bombing the Kurds in northern aleppo. Turks appear to want to expand, with them pissing off the Syrians, Greeks (recently stated that turkey should get some islands it lost after ww1) and finally the Iraqis.

Also there's pic related.

>>31786733

Oh wow. Can't wait to see how the world will respond to this.

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>>31786733

https://twitter.com/FutuhAlSham/status/790594130682445825

Good footage of a M1 Abrams being hit by a ATGM near Mosul. The ass end is the weak spot. It blew the engine.

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>>31786937

amershit

>>31786883
>kebob language in a nutshell
Which country has the most tolerable language? Or do they all talk from the same tree.

>>31777486
Multiple = 1?

>>31779205
Looks like reality

>>31784974
Orphanages are okay now?

>>31786429
>frowned upon by Westerners

In Iraq 2003-2011?

>>31786937

i really love to see those blow out panels at work

too bad the idiots inside probably had the hatch open.

>>31787275

Did anyone defend those attacks?

Either way, that doesn't make it alright to attack civilian-occupied targets.

Why is no one mentioning Quds BTFOing the rebels south of Owaiji?

I hear that they had a great victory in Handarat, but they are continuing to wreck the rebels in the northern part of the city.

Any updates on Aleppo? I heard that rebels are massing to try breaking the siege again.

Also, is the southern front quiet?

How is the Rif Dimasq campaign going? What about Al-Rayhan?

How about near Arlus in Lebanon? Qalamoun?

North Hama?

Near Palmyra?

Northeast Latakia?

Near Golan Heights?

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>>31787302
>Did anyone defend those attacks?

Umm. Yes.

>>31786937
>2016
>not using the engine to block the ATGM from killing everyone

ISHYGDDT

>>31787335

Okay, great, thanks.

>>31776469
It's simple, if the US stops arming/financing/supplying any other rebel group in Syria with the exception of the YPG, then the Russians will be able to guide Assad back to victory. And no amount of petrodollars from gulf countries will be able to stop him since these Gulf countries are completely incompetent to do anything on their own with exception of spreading Wahabism.

>>31780126
violence, repression, kidnapping children from occupied nations to force them into servitude and slavery (see Janissaries for more details)

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>>31778149
>Social nationalist Ba'athist final victory soon
munafiq dreams

Think the blowouts did their job and the crew survived?

https://southfront.org/isis-blows-up-abrams-main-battle-tank-near-mosul-video-infographics/

>>31787746
Considering most SAA survive tank kills, yes.

>>31787320
Forget that bullshit. We Mosul now

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>>31787320


>but they (Liwa al-Quds) are continuing to wreck the rebels in the northern part of the city.

not really, the frontline stalled as expected

>Any updates on Aleppo? I heard that rebels are massing to try breaking the siege again.

im really curious about a possible new offensive
Rebels mentioned a attack at mallah farms and simultanous at watertreatment (south of arty-college)

I think atm, they would be best of by attacking the same place as before since they already have third/half of 1070 which is really the half job there.
However, maybe the SAA is this time smart enough to waste them with arty/airstrikes before even getting close...

>>31781352
For those that don't speak french:
>Despite coverage from Milan ATGMs, suicide cars manage to attack the convoy. Panic reigns. The first car is destroyed, but the second one destroys an APC. Wounded are evacuated after being treated by american medics, while a collumn of reinforcement comes to the front.

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>>31787971
This is what they claim they're gonna do, but they're currently fighting around the 1070 and the hikima school and somewhat further south than that so well see

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>>31788599
And just to put things in prespective

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>>31788608
This is the newest Mosul map

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>>31788599
It could be feasible, but I don't think they have enough men for both offensives.

1/2

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>>31788679
2/2

>>31788679
>>31788694
It will never work.

They couldn't hold what they conquered in August for longer than a few weeks, no way they can fight their way through both north and south with all the Iranian and Russian reinforcements there.

>>31788783
If they can manage to capture hamrah hill they might have a chance. But that's because of how hard itll he to capture considering its strategic importance

>>31788783
I wouldn't ever entirely rule out the ability of SAA units to turn and flee, see Exhibit A: Previous Aleppo breakout. That said since they couldn't hold a not-very-useful opening last time I fail to see any reason they would manage to do so this, assuming they did manage to get anything at all done to begin with.

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>>31788679
>>31788694
>>31788783
>>31788815
>The Orks are coming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bdBk3qC_lw

>>31786657
True indeed.

>>31788623
Speaking of Mosul, rear kornet hit on an Abrams + cook off

https://twitter.com/ald_aba/status/790594445725011968

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>>31789095
>>31786937
here's the webm

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Binali Yıldırım, Turkey’s prime minister, confirmed reports that Turkish troops based in the contested Bashiqa area outside Mosul were firing on Isis positions with artillery, tanks and howitzers. Yıldırım said the bombardment followed a request from Kurdish peshmerga forces.

But Iraq’s joint operations command flatly denied Turkish involvement

Treading a fine line between the US, which has encouraged its involvement, and Russia, the biggest military player in Syria with which it clashed last year, Turkey stresses its ground forces will not join the battle for Mosul. The Turkish role will be restricted to air, artillery and special forces support.

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Newest south Aleppo situation. If they can't take all of the 1070 there is talk of just surrounding it. I wonder if they've dug any tunnels..

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>>31789139
cleaner webm

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Captured DIY ISIS anti-materiel rifle

The San Antonio-class is capable of fielding at least a battalion (and it's air support) of Marines, and is meant explicitly for that sort of op. Now, let's propose that our next president wants this farce of a war to end. That's where the San Antonio, and the Wasp-class come in handy. If I were to conduct a amphibious assault on Syria, I would hit Tartus and Latakia at the same time.

Seizing these vital ports with Marines would allow us to bring in reinforcements in the form of armor and mechanized assets, and to crush the Russian-Syrian ability to resupply/reinforce. From there, we would move inland with a mechanized thrust towards Damascus.

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>>31790134
>that locking lug
how do the gunners manage to keep their face?

>>31790175
Casting aside the diplomatic consequences of attacking Russian forces and their allies on the ground, would you care to explain how exactly a strong conventional deployment in Syria would result in something different that. The precedent similar invasions in Afghanistan an Irak?
Especially considering these resulted in the very fucking mess you are trying to clean...

>>31790175
Quick question, are you fucking retarded?

>>31788608
Wew the SAA has come along way from the dark days in early 2013.

>>31788679
That's the hardest place to take. Liwa al-Quds will die before they give up their homes a second time

>>31788825
Why exactly is this not bombed?

Why don't the Russians have hundreds of drones directing airstrikes with laser designstors?

I assume their's a logical reason why. There usually is.

>>31790957
You may not have noticed, but when I drew the arrows I didn't make them go over Handarat.

>>31790134
Looks to be not very wieldy.

>>31790608
Old

(But gold)

>>31790972
From my knowledge they're running the airstrikes with the economy mode turned on (no pun intended): Just planes, ordnance and whatever's necessary to keep supplying the said planes. I guess drones don't come with the economy package.

>>31790982
Camps*

Also
>just attack well-defended positions across open ground and NOT break the siege

>>31791026
They aren't using laser-guided ordnance. Just chucking semi-guided iron bombs.
Okay then. I would argue that a few top-line bombers with guided bombs + Russian ground forces spotting = cheaper in long run

>>31790972
Because Russia is basically using Syria as a way to give their forces practical training and experience on the cheap. At the same time they can't really afford widescale deployment, there is only something like 4,000 Russian troops total on the ground in Syria, and, on a more conspiracy theorist sounding note, it benefits Russia geopolitically to have the Syrian Civil War continue.

>>31790338
We let Russia and Iran handle the aftermath.

>>31784974
hospitals full of wounded kebabs
schools teaching kids to blow themselves up
factories making bombs and improvised weapons
civilians with beards AK's and yazidi sexslaves
syrian free army aka kebabs
al nusra aka kebabs
...... aka kebabs
isis aka kebabs

What's wrong with this list again ?

>>31786374
kek

Still butthurt about /sg/ findings using commonly available tools which led to the obliteration of some of your kebab friends who didn't bother to hide their little bases properly and went as far as showing them in their shitty videos ?

Not our fault if they can't at OPSEC.

>>31786425
Based as fuck

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>>31791629

>>31791629
Dafuq are you linking me?

>>31791166
Let them.handle the meatgrinder too, Russians seem rather good at removing filthy kebabs and we would be saving money, american lives and political capital.
It will take.more time but honestly, Syria is already fucked up and the US have raped irak in the ass too deeply than any other intervention could change anything.

Priceless
https://twitter.com/afarinmamosta/status/790697555688624128

>>31791629

>Say /k/ is being victim of Russian bots
>/pol/ on the other hand helped Russia directly

These copypastas need to get revised, too many contradictions

>>31787479
This, that shit pisses me off to no end.

>>31784570
also, security forces will probably have some type of kill switch for self driving cars if it's a real issue

>>31780126
By imploding.

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>A CIA officer describes how peshmerga geolocate "the terrorist positions" in 2002 in Iraqi Kurdista

>>31791069
It was either drop old Cold War bombs or pay for their disposal. The stuff they are dropping was just rotting in warehouses.

If you have to drop bombs against a not so modern force, just go with the old cheep shit. The JDAM is just an old 2000lb bomb with a cheep guidance package strapped on. The Russians just don't want to waste the $20k per bomb to make it a little more accurate like the US does.

>>31792426
That shockwave A E S T H E T I C

>>31793719
also the Russian's don't really care about collateral damage. Whereas the US has been getting shat on in the international stage each time a piece of shrapnel passes within a meter of an innocent person.

So the US is more willing to shell the extra money they are more than willing to spend than to get called imperialists crusaders for the 140th time that day.

Obviously my post is a over-generalization of things, but its true. Russia is starting to get flak for bombing civilians, so despite the amount of hate they're getting, they won't change their ways until they're at their fifth-sixth year of their bombing campaign.

>>31776469

holy shit retard brit bong go away.

What's the word on Libya? How come these threads lack discussion of Afghanistan?

>>31794312
Afghanistan is usually running battles with the Taliban. The ANA is about to be overrun and then NATO SOF and CSS show up and push them back. It's hard to quantify what's going on because of the lack in regional reports.

Its usually "Taliban advancing" and saying that they've capped a local district and nothing more. India is becoming more Involved in Afghanistan and will most likely take over NATOs role as the biggest ally of Afghanistan.

As for Libya, the battle for Sirte is ongoing, but other than that there are low level clashes happening throughout but none which carry any real weight to them. Colonel Haftar has been quiet this far and the two governments are in the midst of a staredown.

>>31794649
Lol forgot two more things.

First is that because how low intensity both conflicts are, there isn't much media coverage. In addition to that. Libya's civil war looks to finally be stabilizing in that most sides are focusing on ISIL right now.

>>31786733
The eternal Turk strikes again

>>31790922
2013 wasn't dark days, that was the year of SAA counter-offensives that were all pretty much successful

The only reason they lost so much of Aleppo province back then is because there was an absence of state institutions and not a lot of military forces in the area, hence why they became holed up in their bases

All that changed fairly quickly with Operation Northern Storm and Canopus Star

A common theme throughout this war is that the SAA can generally take back territory when needed and provided they have the support. The problem is the attrition of the war and the insurgency grinding down the SAA and their ability to hold onto things.

The 2013 offensives also had the negative effect of overextending the SAA and got a lot of their best troops that were in the military pre-war killed.

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>>31790031
I know it sounds crazy, but why not try and break through in the urban areas around pic related.

I say this because they can never hold onto open ground around Aleppo for long, so why not try and carve a path through the urban areas over several months, if need be.

The thing is, once the Rebels get set up and fortified/entrenched in these kinds of areas, they are a bitch to remove. Hell they did it in Damascus.

I feel this is the only way for them desu.

>>31794929
because it'd be a fucking nightmare? there was already word that al nusra + friends were having trouble getting man power together for the new offensive. shit i heard former jund al aqsa guys were gonna be first wave. they barely cracked/held the weakest point why would they try to slog through all that shit

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>>31791166
russia and iran wont be handling the aftermath if you invade syria they will be shooting at you with everything they have. so have fun with that.

>>31776469
ok number one ISIS isnt youre number one problem. number two someone has to actually win the fucking war.

you dont want some varying degree of sunni nutcase taking over right? then you back assad. you dont do that wellllll you back shady saudi/qatari/turkish sunni hardliners, and fuck you for that.

assads military (even the sunni generals and militias) have resisted bribes and have not shattered after nearly 6 years of war. so you back the stable player and start bombing targets and help with the cease fire deals for people to go up to idlib.

>>31795303
Urban area = more cover from airstrikes, car bombs more effective and harder to kill, easier to defend once they take territory, and I said over months not all at once.

How do you think the SAA is gonna slog though taking back Aleppo then????

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>>31776469
>>31795354
also i forgot to add youre completely retarded if you think the "rebels" and assad will ever work together. there was that one time al nusra and the 4th armored had a cease fire so they could both fight back isis but that was a rare occasion

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>>31795357
ok dude number one having the 1070 and arty college didnt help them at all, they still have to funnel men and supplies into the urban areas.

number two assad+friends dont have to because they just need to sqeeze aleppo hard enough for them to take the deal and go to idlib.

and lastly i mean more cover from airstrikes.. yeah but they still know where you are and will not hesitate to shell/bomb the hell out of you and buildings will only do so much. also the same reason urban fighting sucks for the SAA is the same reason it sucks for jihadists and friends. its just hard work man.

>>31794929
>The thing is, once the Rebels get set up and fortified/entrenched in these kinds of areas, they are a bitch to remove.

Same is true for the SAA though. The rebels would need enormous amounts of manpower to fight their way through dense urban environment if the army decides to defend.

And i somewhat doubt that there are that many (skilled and experienced) rebels left. Holding onto some buildings is one thing, assaulting a defended city is something else entirely.

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>>31786425
does the pic related go with the pasta?

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>>31791858

>>31793677

>Rolf from Ed Edd & Eddy

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Mines?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H192RyWX79Y

>>31790972
>Why don't the Russians have hundreds of drones directing airstrikes with laser designs

Hundreds of drones will still not be enough and things will slip through. Those drones also come with operators, airports, fuel and maintenance demands. As well as communication equipment.

All of which are a heavy investment in a country far away.
I don't think Russia has 100 drones to field all in all, let alone away from home.

Then there is the fact that these things are vulnerable and will get shot down.

Then there is the fact that the small Russian force in Syrian can only hit so many targets.

>>31791629
>implying the guys that did the geolocating did anything super unique.

You're just proving my point. /pol/'s SG is an """""""active"""""" participant in the conflict, or so they would like to believe. How can anyone expect anything but propaganda from such an agency?

>>31795354
>you dont want some varying degree of sunni nutcase taking over right?
You don't want Iran to de facto control the land from the Indian sub continent to the Mediterranean either. Especially with their expansionism, you know that they are going to incite instability and revolts through the Shia pop in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.
And perhaps act against the Azeris.

For the west, there is no good option here, so no reason to back either too strongly.

>assads military (even the sunni generals and militias) have resisted bribes
Factually the opposite of the truth.
I mean, some of them did. But not many. Pro Assad militias are some of the most corrupt organizations in Syria and in some cases are nothing more than ex criminals and gangs.

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Anyway, in other news.Kind of surprised it did not get mentioned in the thread as it was unfolding last night.

The AQ affiliates in Pakistan have taken and police accademy with hundreds of cadets held hostage. At the end of a hot breackthrough hundreds were rescued but more than 60 were left dead and over a 100 wounded.

Not many wids from the attack itself. Unlike what we've gotten used to from Syrian and Iraq.

https://twitter.com/Kami_i/status/790644594434342912

>>31794649
>India is becoming more Involved in Afghanistan and will most likely take over NATOs role as the biggest ally of Afghanistan.

I can already hear the pakis REEEEEEEEing about their pet insurgent catching Curry lead

How will this not polarize the situation inmensely though?

>>31796264
ATGMs, but I can't spot the missiles
also it's quite refreshing to see a lot of armour getting wrecked without anyone yelling Allahu Ackbar continously

>>31796287
Pakistan's been hit with a terrible number of massacres in recent years... will it ever end?

>>31796297
>will it ever end?

Why should it? They are all muslims there.

>>31796264
did the saa finally get their shit together? Where was this recorded?

>>31786766
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lausanne
They will sit back and watch, with deep concerns ofcourse.

>>31796291
The moment US leaves Afghanistan is going back to Taliban. I can't think of a more beneficial distraction for India than trying to stabilize Afghanistan. Considering corruption in both India and Afghanistan and the logistics required each bullet would probably cost 10$. India is trying to establish economic ties with Kabul, exploiting the security provided by US, same as China and Iraq in 2000s.

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>>31796264
Wow! One of the most interesting videos I've seen in a while. It doesn't really look like ATGMs does it?

At 03:23 it looks like an up armored SAA tank in bottom right corner? Maybe we actually saw some Armor on Armor combat here?

>>31784920
>Diplomatically probably not. Just look at the Crimean shitstorm.
We talk about NATO member here, not Russia.

>>31784985
Expect it's mostly non comabantants who dies in these strikes, good job trying to justify Putins cuckery though.

>>31796678

Can you prove this statement?

>>31787479
thats just as bad of an idea. Russia does the same shit the US does but with different motivations. Doesn't matter anyway at this point whoever wins will the ruler of a pile of rubble.

>>31796684
Yes, Google civilian air strike casualties Syrian civil war. Guess who's doing most of the child killing?

>>31796492
I honestly don't believe there is enough left of the taliban to take over a city, mirror less a country. May give rise to a new organization though.

>>31796716
>Google
Stopped reading there, stop shilling your crap site lol

>>31796764
So you did it and realized that you were wrong, good job you fucking cuck. Oh and as for being a shill I don't really see it as being a shill for being against bombing civilian targets.

>>31796772
Watch your language!

>>31796716

Find me the relevant results.
Who counts these deads, from who's testimony.

>>31796716
>child killing

nobody fucking cares

>>31795993
So will i ever know what the angry commie mosin is implying to /k/ that prays to the east while anal beads in his ass are hooked up with a TOW missile that is launched by the cia that arms terrorists?
There are many /pol/tard messages stuffed in that jpg. but i just cant understand what the mosin is implying.

>>31796812
I'm not going to do your research for you.

>>31796779
Fuck you, you god damn nigger.
>>31797037
Have fun being edgy.

>>31785867
Why are you so full of shit ?
Exactly in what scenario is Turkey going to use assloads of new tanks ? Russians can not invade, clobbering other sandniggers is a low tech endeavour that is aided much more by UAV's and precision strikes and blockading the influx of weapons to Syria would also not be helped in any case by doing this.
Your retarded opinion on how to resolve a conflict is also ripe for the trash.
How about peace agreements, interventions and whatnot ?
>hurr one side detroys the other or dey get tu tiered
How about the Jugoslav war you dipshit ?
You are full of disdain and hotshit opinions but they are worth absolutely nothing!

>>31797134

I dont need to prove you wrong, you need to prove yourself right.

>>31797142
>not caring about sandpeople is edgy these days..

yeah right

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JAI just launched a offensive around Tel Kurdi

https://twitter.com/worldonalert/status/790928270552395776

Their leader tweeted a message to the effect of they expect many martyrs from their ranks today. He implies the offensive is a big one.

>>31797308
Further more of SAA responding with intense artillery and surface to surface missiles strikes around Rayhan and Tel Kurdi. JAI claims a tank has been disabled and already at least 6 KIA JAI and unknown number of SAA killed as well.

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>Soon

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Anti-drone pewpew guns in the field.

ohhh, claim that Turkish backed FSA were bombed by Ruaf jets near Tal Madiq.

https://twitter.com/putintintin1/status/790948736084107264
>inb4 YPG gets bombed in retaliation
The most passive aggressive proxy war ever continues.

>>31797813
Air superiority drones should become a thing, we mini air battle now!

>>31798079
>drone dogfights
I am awaiting this footage

>>31788679
the northern attack route looks unachievable. Remember how long rebels tried to retake mallah farms? And that was before SAA had time to dig in. And how long it took SAA to take handarat camp from the north east. The terrain there simply is against them

They probably can get in through the artillery college again. But the people in charge there should get strangled to death if they still didn't manage to dig some fucking trenches to prevent getting VBIED'ed again.

The area in front of the water treatment plant looks way to open to be a viable attack route for me too, but what do i know.

>>31797308
JAI released their initial propaganda video of this battle. Claims they have already retaken some SAA positions surrounding Rayhan however I am unsure what happened around Tel Kurdi or if this will continue on through tonight and tomorrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uTODwyyLBo

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>>31790096
>gasoline tanks

>>31786937
i guess its good for americans workers.

>>31798292

afaik, the rocket hit the ammostorage in the turrent which burnd out

>>31796678
You have to look at from their point of view especially the Assad government point of view. This is a fight for their very survival. They are bombing rebel food, water, medical sources etc. If civilians happen to be these same sources is irrelevant.
Now how it got to this point is where a lot of the blame goes to Assad. He could have handled the situation better. He wanted this war and now he has the Russians all in along with the Iranians. They don't play by the rules and I don't blame them for that much.

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Yemeni forces breaking into Aleeb Saudi post in Najran and bombing its Watch

https://youtu.be/p6w6YZnooxQ

>>31798186
JAI claims to have destroyed SAA held bunkers around Tel Kurdi and Step is reporting continued fighting near there tonight. Seems JAI wasn't bullshitting this offensive. I'll check on this in the morning updates.

>>31794876
January-March 2013 was when the SAA/government was closest to falling anon. I said "early 2013."

The SAA is in a far better position now.

>>31797213
Russia has inflicted 2,000 civilian casualties in the past six months. Want proof? Read the news.

>>31796264
Wow this was honestly the biggest armor battle I've seen since 2014

>>31797308
Allahu akbar right?

>>31799666
According to who?

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>>31798580

>He wanted this war

what the fuck, 5 star...

>>31799786
The news, citing their head office in New York. They just know man. They just know.

>>31798580
If the Syrian government was a US ally, you wouldn't have seen a civil war like this.

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>>31773836
>hurr
>hurr durr
>i'm a 5 year old pls spoonfeed me the most basic and obvious common sense babby-tier information
>pls
>i can't do even the simplest learning on my own wahhh
>wahhh
>mommy helpp

faggot. faggot fuck. cuck. i cannot express in words how much i FUCKING HATE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>31800089
>this level of triggered
Confirmed sh*ite

>>31799881
Everything started when he went all out on the internal contestation, turning protests into a civil war.
He then started by carefully attacking the (small) part of the resistance that was actually laic to leave only the jihadists.
This targeted attacks and the situation worsening has left only the worst inyegrists and jihadist on the terrain, the rest fled.
So indeed we are left with a choice between him and AQ/ISIS. Of course that's the best situation for him. When the dust settles he'll still be the king of the pile of ruins, even if he has to leave some to the kurds in the north.

Factor in Russia, Iran, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey and Uncle Sam funding/helping various groups and trying to get advantage for their pawns/ideology and you get the horrible.mess that is Syria today.
But indeed Bashar was the one who wanted this war after contestation started against him, as Kaddhafi he would rather burn everything than concede power.

>>31800661
>protests
ISHYGDDT
Soldiers and police were being killed day one nearly
>also wahhh he released some jihadists from prison so that for some reason means the moderates lost control of the rebellion
Maybe if moderates weren't just a group of illiterate bandits they wouldn't have lost control to jihadists

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>>31800661
>rebels demand prisoners get released
>Assad releases prisonerd

>WAHHH WAHHH ASSAD MADE THEM JIHADIS

Your cognitive dissidents is outstanding

>>31802122
Reread my post. Did I ever mention anything about prisoners?
You are projecting too much.

>>31801923
You'll notice I said laic and not moderate.
The fact that they were secular (ie not promoting shariah and Islamic state) does not mean they were pure angels, all protesting peacefully Gandhi like.

The famine spurred unrest, especially after years of a cronyst dictature. It was reinforced by the "success" of other movement against dictators across middle east.
Saudis and qataris had identified a good opportunity to promote islamism in Maghreb and middle east , as part of the contestation of dictators came from the religious parties that were being prohibited or restricted.
Also fucking with alaouites and an ally of Iran was too tempting for them. So they poured money and weapons toward sunni groups. Turkey probably did something similar but it is less clear.

So the jihadist mouvance rapidly became prominent. Especially considering nobody supported the secular movement right away because things were less than clear and a lot of them were outright bandits.
There was some defections from the army toward FSA at one point but it was too late and too little, despite help from the agency and the west.
Assad, targeted them first , and imposed himself as the only alternative to jihadist.
It was smart.

In the end there wasn't a good choice for the west. We can suppose than some part of the secular opposition might have been less shitty than the rest, but nobody knows for sure. And they were wiped out early anyway.

The Kurds are slightly better but have no legitimacy on Arab lands and they are getting buttfucked by turkey.

In Irak, the Shiites militias and Iran forces are a fucking pita, because they will probably commit a lot of atrocities against Sunni population who were friendly toward ISIS (at first) after Malikis discriminations.

Tldr: no good faction to take on afterward and clear.the mess anywhere except in Kurdistan (if turkey doesn't annex it)

>>31802308
Cont

All.of this saddens and irrates me.
Because that means that
1)there are still months ahead of meatgrinder in Iran and Syria, probably followed by a fuckton of terrorism and guerilla. AQ and ISIS and all them fucking jihadist will dig themselves or hide in the mountains Taliban style and they will keep disrupting everything for years. Afghanistan is a good example.
2) there so many interest mixed in this, unrest will be subsidized for as far as I can see. Proxy war is too tempting for all.these forces as nobody will be satisfied by the outcome .
3) even if things stabilized slightly in Assad controlled area nobody will want to.come back anyway as he made very sure that everybody outside of a small circle of lawfuls hate him with all their gut. He spent years methodically massacring civils, arbitrarily arresting people and routinely torturing opponents. None of the people who fled will feel safe back in Syria.

All of this means that the refugees will.never want to come.back.to rebuild the country. So this will remain a huge problem in Europe for many years to come...

>>31802432
What if we let Turkey annex Syria? :D

>>31803433
Arabs hate turks
Kurd hate turks even more.
Shiites hate them too.
I'm not even talking about geopolitical problems and rivalries, the mere people would fucking take arms against them forever.

The only viable option is to nuke the whole area to turn it into a radioactive glass desert
After a few hundreada years when the radiations begins to fade it can be a wonderful national.park. with very scenic landscapes.

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I wonder if its possible for them to actually come into contact with the Russian SOF that is also operating in Aleppo

>>31802122
Assad arrests protesters
Rest of protesters demand the release of said protesters.
Instead Assad releases Jihadists that were locked up for years

Years later.... poltards try to obfuscate what really happened because they don't give a fuck about facts and reallity. But only cheering their current crush.

>>31801923
Police was shot only after they started killing protesters in previous events. After the Shabiha was used to arrest and torture protesters.

Saying that Assad wanted this war is retarded. He tried a crack down like dictators do. Like his father did before him.
However sadly for him he was not only opposes by the religious sunni but the seculars as well. Unlike his father
He did what he could to make sure his oppositiin ended up as radical as possible by releasing Jihadist leaders to allow the Jihadists to organize and gain power.
He targeted the moderates and the seculars.
All of the above worked out pretty well.

But this was after the rebellion started. He never wanted war, was just not competent enough to prevent it.

>>31804111
What are they doing there? Killing ISIS? Or supporting Kurds?

>>31804051
Why waste the nukes? Just let it continue to rot.

>>31804111
>tfw will never meet up with a rival power's most elite operators, shake hands, trade rations, and share a moment of tranquility in a warzone
.__.

>>31805340
I read that Daddy Assad cracked down way the fuck harder than Assad ever did, and the slower escalation of violence by both sides led to a much stronger initial rebellion

>>31805356
probably directing airstrikes, mostly.
Actually getting into contact with the enemy would be a poor use of SOF guys in a proxy war. But I'm sure there's been incidents.

>>31805450
He was probably less respected and feared than his father, he also didn't crack down full force immediately.
But you cannot exactly say he went soft on the rebellion.
Torture and arbitrary arrests were.part of the mix pretty early on.

Anyway not here to discuss Assad's merit. Point is, he may be an asshole but he is the safest bet for relative stability in the region. Because the alternative is a fucking caliphate whose objective is to seed terror and jihadism in the western world....

I'd rather the Russian put pressure on him afterward to pass the power to more moderate generals inside his establishment or do something like that, but seeing they are helping him level Aleppo to the ground regardless of civilians, I believe it's wishfull thinking from my part.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlp3jI7y7R8
Some pretty good footage of Kurdish SF and Militia fighting off the ISIS attack in Kirkuk

>>31805652
>Torture and arbitrary arrests were.part of the mix pretty early on.

Thats nothing outside the norm for an arab country though.
What else did people expect from the syrian police i wonder?

>>31804051
>Flatlands
>Swamps
>Slightly melted rocks

Scenic my ass.

>>31806646
>kurdish SF

are they more capable than the iraqi ones?

>>31807479
Any middle-eastern force that includes "SF" in their title is anything but capable, it's purely for show and they're usually just cannon fodder so western troops don't need to get shot at.

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Declared commander of field operations for the Allied forces in Syria that any progress of Turkish forces under any name "shield of the Euphrates , " or other towards the defense lines of Syria 's allies in the north and east of Aleppo will be dealt with firmly and strongly.
He said a field commander, we will not allow anyone to invoke Baktale to organize Daesh of persistence and try to get closer to the defenses of the Allied forces, and we will consider this matter exceeded the red lines will be contained by the strong and appropriate response.

>>31796264
saw an atgm at the 2 minute mark

>>31796292
now we just need to shoot the guy that puts in the retarded crosshairs and we're golden

>>31800661
You give Assad way to much credit and foresight. When protests started the security apparatus responded as they usually would, when kids wrote graffiti, they were arrested, beaten, briefly kept in jail and sent home. At any other time this application of intimidation would have been effective in preventing protests but because of Arab spring it backfired and started a chain reaction of peoples protests, suppression, more protests, regime peace offering and regime suppression that escalated into a civil war. Assad didn't release the jihadists because he wanted to taint the revolution, he released them because that was him accepting protesters demands for release of political prisoners, it was just that he accepted their demands to late and that the round of suppression had increased protesters demands.

I have serious doubts that the Syrian regime spoke with a single voice at the time and that Assad could even exercise power over main key holders in the regime. The only unit on whose loyalty he could count was 4th Armored, the rest while loyal to the regime were loyal to other key holders in the regime or their loyalty could be bought by other elements of the regime so Assad probably had to balance the demands of his supporters with the demands of the people. After all, pulling an Egypt, and throwing Assad under the bus while preserving existing power structures, would have been quite appealing to many key regime figures. On the other had had Assad had absolute authority he could have given the protesters what they initially wanted, end to corruption, by throwing as many rich and influential people under the bus until people were satisfied.

Civil war isn't indicative that the regime wanted to confront the people but rather that non of the factions in the regime was weak enough that it could be thrown under the bus by the others to preserve their power. Inability to force a change inside the regime left confrontation with the people as only option.

>>31804111
>>31805429

To be honest considering Russia's ROE, the Russians will probably just shoot at them

>>31808215
>confrontation with the people

You forget that most people even at that time were overwhelmingly pro-Assad, and even if they had no love for his "government", they certainly didn't want a civil war and to come under jihadist rule.

There was never a shred of legitimacy to the so-called "uprising", and it certainly didn't represent the wishes of most of the Syrian population.

Unfortunately, Assad's failure to win hearts and minds in places under Rebel control meant that people flocked to the anti-Assad camp over the years, probably to do with seeing their families getting killed...

Factions like Nusra love airstrikes and never want them to stop: they get a steady stream of new, angry recruits and legitimacy in the areas they control (i.e. "We are your protectors").

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Update to JAI yesterday was they were unable to break through SAA lines near Tel Kurdi. What was confusing me at that time was a parallel SAA attack in another part of eastern Ghouta which led to a ton of activity. The SAA attack was repelled as well. This is the fun of watching a war in real time.

Interesting picture of fatass DH commander meeting with the head general of Aleppo. The map in background clearly shows their plans to further seal off eastern Aleppo and they definitely want 1070 by flanking it. It's a meat grinder.

>>31808276
When was the last time US and Russian ground forces exchanged fire in anger? Has it ever happened?

>>31808645
>a meat grinder
How many casualties (in the wounded + killed sense) per day are we talking here?

What's Aleppo?

>>31808730
>What's a lepo, precious?

Al-le-po!
Bomb it, smash it, take it for good!

>>31808722
I mean 1070. They can't take it with a frontal assault so they are going around it. 1070 is a thorn in their side. Daily SAA or pro SAA forces in Aleppo haven't lost many a day. Average about 10 to 20 attacking the pocket. They have thousands of Shia Iraq left as meat shields. Manpower isn't a problem for the siege but they did have to pull the Iraqis off of other fronts.

>>31808693
Many times they ran into each other during cold war proxy battles like Vietnam but any shots fired were kept under wraps.

>>31808722
>>31808793

Not only Iraqi. They get militas from everywhere.

Not long ago, there was a (very one-sided) article in a german online newspaper about fighters of different origin ending up in aleppo.

One of them was a construction worker from Afghanistan who worked in Iran. Iranians "convinced" him to join a military unit and after a week of training he and his batch was brought to Aleppo.

Rebels captured him and others and when they asked for a prisoner exchange they apparently got the answer that the SAA didn't want these guys back, because "we have thousands more of them".

I really don't think they are bothered by a few poor guys getting hit by atgms every day.

>>31773735
How many times are we going to have an alleppo soon edition? This must be the fiftieth one this year

>>31809354
Soon

>>31808793 (Dead)
>>31773735 (Dead)
How many men does each side have? FSA SAA ISIS

I mean trigger pullers, combat support, and back line support.

>>31808296
There were protests even in Latakia. Like I said initial protests were about corruption and covered the entire country. The first sign of protests demanding regime to go were in Daraa, kids writing graffiti. Over time and with escalating violence protests in Latakia and other regime areas stooped when it became about overthrow of regime. There was every legitimacy for the protests because initial protests weren't pro something but against regime which has no legitimacy whats so ever. Its not like Assad was elected.

>>31809506
I remember the webcam feeds from those days. Homs right? When the shells started dropping...

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>>31809647
War...

>>31809506
>On 27 May 2007, Bashar was approved as president for another seven-year term, with the official result of 97.6% of the votes

Landslide victory :)

>>31773735
What is aleppo?

>>31805340
>Assad arrests protesters
>Rest of protesters demand the release of said protesters.
>Instead Assad releases Jihadists that were locked up for years

Gonna need a citation for this claim. Protesters did not ask just for "peace-loving moderate democratic protesters".

>>31807521
Except that's bullshit. Middle-Eastern SF are normally the only competent part of Arab armed forces.

>>31809506
>but against regime which has no legitimacy whats so ever.
Who determines legitimacy?

>Its not like Assad was elected.
But he was

>>31810724
>Believing a result of 97.6% votes in a Arab country that for already five decades had only two heads of state and both from the same family

Seriously, anon?

>>31810818
Legitimacy is the right and acceptance of an authority. And considering that the will of the people was never freely expressed in Syria no one can claim legitimacy. The rebels have as much legitimacy as Assad, since both sides base their legitimacy on force, and while rebels have an excuse that they never had the chance to prove their legitimacy, Assad governed for 10 years in which he could have proven that he has the support of the people and he didn't.

Also using Syrian election as prof of anything can only be done by uneducated or intentionally malicious.

>>31810753
The demand was for political prisoners and most of what would become the jihadists were political prisoners.

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Russia has withdrawn a request for a flotilla of warships to be allowed to refuel in Spain’s north African enclave of Ceuta, after Nato allies criticised Madrid for assisting warships they believe could be used to target civilians in Syria.

Since 2011 at least 60 Russian warships have docked there, including numerous stop-overs following the imposition of EU sanctions on Russia for its invasion and annexation of Crimea in March 2014.

The Russian fleet, representing the core of its Murmanansk-based Northern Fleet, includes four warships and the tanker Sergei Osipov, a tanker that helped rescue the battle cruiser when it broke down in 2012 in the Bay of Biscay.

It is now likely pressure will be placed on the Maltese government to withdraw any offer of facilities for the Russian ships.

>>31811190
NATO is a big bully

>>31811190
World War Proxy

>>31811190
>after Nato allies criticised Madrid for assisting warships they believe could be used to target civilians in Syria.

This is so fucking retarded I don't even know how anyone believes this shit.

Yeah, Russia's sailing to the other side of the world specifically to give us an excuse to go to war with them. No other reason.

Sure thing.

>>31773735

>COБP в гocтях y любитeля ИГИЛ

SOBR guests to ISIL sympathiser.

Lol. These Russian official posts.

>>31811979
>Emoji as a filename
What the fuck.

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>>31811979

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>>31811979
>killerclowns everywhere

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>>31811979
browse their website for more

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>>31798580

>Now how it got to this point is where a lot of the blame goes to Assad. He could have handled the situation better.

Agreed. He should have shut down the internet, cell phone services, declared a state of martial law in the cities were the Muslim Brotherhood had followers and rolled up with heavy artillery, pocketed those areas, and demand their surrender, or face destruction. Like his old man in Hama.


>He wanted this war and now he has the Russians all in along with the Iranians.

You're literally retarded.

Russia and Iran got involved because of heavy foreign (Gulf and Western) support for the Jihadists, who would have been defeated years ago.

Continued armament of the armed criminals by the USA and her Gulf proxies is the reason for the continuation of this war, the refugee crisis and the suffering of millions.

>>31798865

Those fellers def. need some Russian Iglas to swat those pesky Apaches.

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>>31802308

Man, you're stupid.

The insurrection in Syria was carried out with coordination of Muslim Brotherhood and other anti-government sympathizers ordered by State Department/CIA proxies, with assurances from Turkey, Jordan and others of support for the insurrection.

Your pushing the dim-witted narrative of some sort of secular uprising and yearning for a parliament is so retarded, it belongs back in 2011, when the propaganda war was being started. You're not going to fool anyone with that shit in 2016, with hindsight, we know all of that was bunk.

Put your fucking trip back on, Jihad-nigger.

>>31811190
>after Nato allies criticised Madrid for assisting warships they believe could be used to target civilians in Syria.

This fucking narrative is so shit, it's made for soccer moms.

>>31812205
This.

Its pretty easy to say "Assad did this and that wrong and if he had done x and y things would have gone different" while ignoring the fact that CIA/Saudis and all the others would have done everything to spark the flames in Syria, no matter what Assad had done.

Yes, syrian police probably over-reacted. If they would have stayed cool with those spraying kids then the provocation would have continued until the police would react.

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drunk slav boats sighted in front of portugal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skcZAzzdnhE

bonus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsgxheXCUTU

>>31809127
I think it was in der spiegel. I read the same one.

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USS Mount Whitney transited Bosphorus

>>31812205
>>31812263
You should try this new thing. It's called reading.
It means that you actually decipher the words of the post you are referring to to get a sense of what this person said instead of just blabbing about what you think these person said.

>>31813888

Trying to answer last in a thread isn't being proven right anon-kun.

>>31812106
>Agreed. He should have shut down the internet, cell phone services, declared a state of martial law in the cities were the Muslim Brotherhood had followers and rolled up with heavy artillery, pocketed those areas, and demand their surrender, or face destruction. Like his old man in Hama.

Replace Assad by Hillary and Muslim brotherhood by dangerous right wing activists/white supremacists and you'll get why what you are saying is problematic.

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>>31812268
Someone know what kind of breed are those puppies that generally appears in photos of the syrian fronts?

>>31813914
>me
Assad focused early on any secular opposition to be left as the only viable alternative vs jihad
>the other retard
Omagad those prisoners were jihadis you are dissonant cognitively.
>me
Wat? Never mentioned prisoners
The secular opposition was a small part of the protest while the jihadist were funded straight away by qatar/SA . this and the focus of the SAA made it so that the jihadist gained much more momentum and any sort of secular (notice how I don't say moderate) opposition is long gone.
>the other retard
Anon stop criticizing Assad, and stop refusing to admit that it was Saudi Arabia and Qatar funding the opposition. You jihadist lover.

Ffs why do I even bother writing. I should just put emojis he would fight his strawmen and spur his shilling all the same.

>>31813987
strays, most likely with shepherding blood