Tanks are going to be obsolete designs in a few years. What are

>>31773582
Unlikely when a power suit can't even last a day when it needs a fusion core that can power an entire block.

>>31773582
We'll pretty much always have tanks in some form or another. We'll eventually get power armor working as well. At first it'll be clunky and crappy for most roles besides doorkicker but as the tech improves it will end up widespread with a large diversity of roles.

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>>31773582
>There will never be civilian owned power armor
>Elites will always keep it only for their body guards and police that put down the people
I just want to go in-woods with my trusty power armor and dog.

>>31773582
seeing that about a third of the inside volume of a tank is being occupied by its powerplant you can try to imagine how your picture changes when adjusted for reality

>>31773640
Unless the 2nd amendment gets repealed sometime before the invention of powered armor, then you can expect to see a civilian version.

>>31773582
What exactly makes you think tanks are going to be obsolete?

>>31773582
I guess a platoon of infantry will have to rely and take cover behind some faggot with at most a couple inches of RHA without a 120mm main gun.
Yeah op you're retarded.
How will you replace organic fire support and mobile cover?
How are you going to punch through your enemies lines at a speed that isn't running speed?

>>31773652
Power armour is not an arm (weapon) so the 2nd wouldn't cover it.

>>31773790
It's a weapon system, therefore it's covered.

whats the minimum caliber/guage that could penetrate power armor like fallout style?

>>31773965
In fallout NV you can do it with .308 AP easy. Fallout styled power armor in real life is retarded.

>>31773965
Depends on what it is made from. If its RHA some 7.62mm rounds will.

>>31773823
its not a weapon system unless weapons are integrated

Power armor is retarded. At best it can stop small arms and shrapnel the only thing it brings more to the battlefield besides its relatively thin armor is the ability to carry heavier equipment. Equipment that can either be distributed amongst a team of foot soldiers or on vehicles. You just end up with a slower shitty armored platform that is putting stress on your supply chain.

>>31773965
9mm to viewport

>>31773582
when they can make a man go 70+mph on foot without turning to mush

An IFV with 9 infantries are always going to be better than a power armor.

>>31774016
The fists and getting curbstomped can put this straight into hazardous vehicle or weapon territory.

>>31774066
It'll only be better when the infantry are wrapped in armor that doesn't make them tired and hot.

/k/ is remarkably shortsighted if not downright stuborn when it comes to thinking about future weapons technology.

>>31773624
This to be honest, I think it is important to note that aside from logistics first and perhaps heavy urban combat such an exo-skelton/power armour would not be as effective as we think it is. Aside from the power issue their is also the up armoring needed if you intend to use them as anything other than advanced load bearing systems.

Armor resistance and technology would need a significant increase to counter thinks such as the .50 cal rounds and their devastating anti-material effect.

I would wager that relieving a soldier of the weight he's carrying and the possibility of carrying heaving (otherwise crew served) weapons by his lonesome could bring and important advantage in an urban engagement (and perhaps even being able to handle stuff we'd usually put on armored vehicles. Outside of that envelope tanks and aircraft will still rip them to fucking shreds, you just can't compete with a 120 mm cannon or any BMPT's/AFV/APC's with their sensor suite and auto-cannons.

It will supplement tanks and armored vehicles, it will not make them redundant.

>>31773582
What if I just snuck up behind this guy and stuffed a potato into the exhaust pipe on his back?

>>31773640
>no backpack
Where the hell does he put the 6000 rounds of ammo for 25 different weapons systems, 300 stimpaks, 75 rad-aways, 100 lockpicks and 47 bottles of nuka cola quantum?

>>31774238
>>31773965
In fallout 4 you could shoot the fusion core on the back of the armor once or twice and make it explode like a nuke. Then again fallout 4 sucks.

>>31773640
I feel the same way about any directed energy weapons. Just look at the laws we already have on lasers.

>>31774251
What they don't tell you is they also developed bags of holding before the bombs fell.

>>31773582
When physics decides to stop existing you might be on to something.

>>31773582

They're not even for the same roles you dimwit - it's like those fools in the 20s who advocated replacing infantry with tankettes.

>>31773582
>What are the odds we are really going to turn foot soldiers into tanks?

Too expensive with little return on investment. Better to just drone the entire city block and send in a few 18 year olds who's been pounding their dicks in the barracks to pick up the pieces.

>>31774128
Not really, the IFV with normal armed infantries will destroy these power armors.

>/k/ is remarkably shortsighted if not downright stuborn when it comes to thinking about future weapons technology.
Or logistics is better, more men is better, not more cost per unit.

>>31774368
Do you even into basic english homie G dawg dizzle?

>>31774378
Pardon?

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>>31774368

DoD doesn't think that, but they must be amateur plebs compared to your enlightened point of view.

And you know what IFV's can't do that PA can? Take cover. Enter a building. Navigate through tough terrain.

>>31774432
You know what IFVs can do better than PAs? Take bullets.

Let me break this down for you. You still have all your basic structure of a standard military force, tanks, IFVs, that sort of thing, but now your front line guys are wearing full body armor that keeps them cool and makes them basically unstoppable to the average combatant.

Habeeb shot you in the leg with his SVD? Guess who's not out of the fight courtesy of the armor turning a sclorch into a pang.
Need some bigger guns? Carry a few M-2s or Mk19s in like rifles and fuck shit up. Hell, why not just make new guns that take full advantage of that new strength each guy has. Imagine the terror you could unleash with a platoon of dudes armed with short barreled select fire M107 loaded with raufoss ammo and a few guys with 4 gauge shotguns.
Need to breach a structure because a tank or IFV can't fit through the door? The fatal funnel is a hell of a lot less fatal because you're basically a man tank.
Hottest day ever recorded in bumfuck nowhere Iraqistan? Whatever, built in cooling systems make it a nice day to stomp Hakim's face in regardless.
Grenade went off in the room you just breached? Congratulations, you're disoriented instead of going home to the last trench you'll ever occupy.

Taking care of wounded and losing troops is a hell of a lot worse than putting them in a suit of powered armor and upping your irl kdr by a retarded amount.

Power armor is going to be a reality and funny enough it's already well on it's way. First power armor is probably just going to be DARPA's load bearing exoskeletons with some plates bolted on. As the exo tech improves you'll be able to strap more on it too.

>>31774453
What do you think the ARMOR part of power armor is for you tard? Also, your IFV can't enter a house without destroying the place. You're not trying to protect the IFV, you're protecting the guys who have to get OUT of the IFV and likely be shot at then.

>>31774432
>full-head helmet
Hahaha

>>31773582

Protip: there is no material known to mankind that would allow you to make a realistically wearable set of power armor that wouldn't get penetrated even by 20+mm autocannons at all angles.
That fact alone makes any comparison between power armor and an MBT completely nonsensical.

>>31774511
Cool, how heavy is this power armor going to be? There's the frame, the hydraulics and not to mention every inch needs to be covered in thick enough steel. That's before, we take into account electronics as well. How big are the feet on this thing going to be? Something that heavy would probably need, oh, 6x6ft floorplate.

>>31774521
OP's problem is he thinks it'll replace tanks. The real goal isn't to fight tanks and shit, it's to fight infantry more gooder and die from less shit.

>>31774557
For now I'd simply expect more plates bolted on covering some additional important spots on the wearer. 50-75 years from now I expect something closer to fallout's but better. All it takes is advancements in a few fields, notably metallurgy, power generation and storage, and electric motors. 1/4" of good steel is enough to stop a lot of shit and will probably be the starting point, once the system can go up to 1/2" on critical points you can basically walk around without worry. Not everything has to be the same thickness, just has to stop typical ammo types you might see in combat.

>probably need, oh, 6x6ft floorplate
You're joking right? We're not talking 10k pounds here. Do you think power armor is gundams or something?

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>>31774649
>Do you think power armor is gundams or something?

Depends which fiction you subscribe to. Look at this buzz lightyear shit.

>>31773582
I'll quote the prime minister of Israel for the perfect answer: "the first statement is false, the other will not happen".

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>>31774336
ahhhhhhhhhhh

>>31774511
Fragmentation isn't the only killing factor with grenades

>>31775114
If you're wrapped up all nice and tight in your armor the concussion's not going to be the end of the world either. Why do you think I said "disoriented"? You might end up disoriented but you're not dead and as soon as you get your bearings again you're back in the fight instead of getting hauled off for medevac in the process of dying.

>>31773582

The age of mankind is coming to a close.Your days are numbered, fleshbags.

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>>31774747
>Talkin shit about the Emperor's finest

>>31775398

kys manchild

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>>31775566
This is literally 40k the board, faggot.

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>>31775704

>>31774432
All that junk and the guy does not have gloves.

>>31776269
In the future the US loses its contract with Mechanix and has to use the shitty Harbor freight cotton ones. No one wears them.

>>31773582
Load-bearing exoskeletons will be a thing in warehouses and storerooms.

>>31773582
Never. I doubt we'll ever have a method to power these for extended periods of time. Ps: cold fusion isn't real.

Besides that I could only imagine these being useful in a place were you want some armor but can't really get it there easily i.e. A very dense jungle or as a point man for kicking down a door. also the armor would need to be way more effective at stopping small arms fire than what they are in fallout it would need to be almost impervious to be worth the cost.

They would probably end up haveing more of a utility purpose like allowing one soldier to move a lot of heavy equipment.

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>>31773582
>What are the odds we are really going to turn foot soldiers into tanks?.

Unless we can figure out how to make Mjolnir, very fucking low odds.

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>>31776320

>>31775398
>Imperial Fists
>Emperors Finest

kek

>>31776338
>>31776984

Basically these. I see a bunch of realistic uses for "Power Armor," but none of them are with frontline infantry. Anybody who needs to carry heavy shit and can deal with being slow and tethered can make use of them.

They'd be great for logi guys closer to the lines, for one. They'd make it possible to unload heavy shit from trucks and helos in terrain where a forklift is impractical.

They'd be awesome for artillery and mortar crews, and make heavier shells practical.

Combat engineers and Seabees and the like would probably have plenty of uses for them.

EOD could probably get benefits out of them too, if nothing else they'd allow for more protective versions of the current suits.

The only combat role I can see them being good for is point defense. It might be useful to have a guy who can carry an M2 or a minigun around a limited area.

>>31776984
in theory its usefull, yes.
But then you need to take into consideration EVERYTHING in those scenarios that would fuck it up and make it useless.

>Jungle.
elevation and mud everywhere, thick and dense trees and foliage make it so you're just as if not more limited in mobility as everyone else. But now its raining and hot as dicks and nothing is truely air tight and anything keeping you cool is sure to short out.

>doorkicker
Door frames are small. Odds are you're better off just throwing youself through a wall or window, and having to force your way through every enterance and archway inside the house not made for andre the giant.. You're also the heaviest object in the house, so be prepared to keep colapsing the floor, tripping, and destroying everything whilst stepping on a small child and a few pets.

Essentially the need for a heavy weapons platform is pretty low other than to fight other heavy weapons platforms. Infantry and vehicles fill the role just fine, without needing to be a giant bulky bullet magnet that skylines and shilhouettes itself at every turn in a suit made by the lowest bidder, with the worst periferal vision and situational awareness with exposed ports and vents for cooling you and all the electronics, that weighs as much as a car and cost ten times more than a year model if not more.

tanks wont ever be obsolete

power armor isn't even comparable to a tank, would you seriously think guys walking around in armor count as cavalry? just why? how is that even remotely similar to cavalry?

>>31779385

it's all about how to get a nuclear fusion powerplant into the size of a backpack.

the rest of the tech is basically there, but without powerpacks, it's useless so there's no funding.

>>31779799

I could see powered exoskeletons loading fixed and rotary wing aircraft with heavy munitions, and taking care of heavy lifting associated with backlines repairs and tread replacement on tanks. But they'd be useless in combat for a myriad of reasons.

>>31779799

>They'd be awesome for artillery and mortar crews, and make heavier shells practical.

>man-portable 105mm emplacement

I kek'd a bit

that'd be a heck of a backpack.

Armored infantry died hundreds of years before tanks were even invented. That concept won't come back. It's ridiculously expensive, impractical and has too many cheap counters. Power suits will mostly be used for heavy lifting.

The future is optical and thermal camoflage as well as drones on a squad-support level.

>>31773582
Power armor is just a fursuit for people who want to be robots.

Weaponized fursuits when

>>31773582
>Tanks are going to be obsolete designs in a few years.
Citation needed.

>it's another dumb /v/eddit faggot thread

>>31780963
>105mm emplacement
>Not wanting a bolt action over-the-shoulder recoilless rifle.

>>31773652
I was under the impression that many weapons and arms in our military are illegal for civilian use. Nuclear warheads/bombs being an example

>>31774092
So baseball bats and bowling balls are part of the 2nd amendment?

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>>31781265
but it looks cool

>>31781684
>Strong disliked that

>>31773595
>he thinks the fusion cores in F4 are in any way canon

>>31773652
armor and nvgs can be restricted by manufacturers though we are going to have to build our own.

>>31773965
there is a mod that makes power armor absorb all damage until it breaks that makes the BoS essentially unbeatable by anyone but high level gunners and railroad. kind of a pain because it doesn't play nice with the PTRD41 mod that should go through it like butter when you're talking DU penetrator ammo that ignores 90% of DT.

>>31773582
Why don't we get an exoskeleton, say something made by Ekso bionics, then get Spartan Armor systems to create some Ar500 steel plates at maybe 150% - 200% thickness, to attach to the skeleton with a supporting Impact Gel layer underneath and viola, walking tanks.

>>31773582
Nah, quality lighter armor, improved communication/sensors integrated electronic warfare capabilities and increased lethality via airburst munitions are much more desirable outcomes than magic tank men.

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>>31774649
>All it takes is advancements in a few fields, notably magic and bullshitanomics
steel isn't going to magically have a higher tensile strength and brinell hardness due to time. there are only so many good alloys and we know the lions share of them. DU already has the best weight to strength/deformation ratio.

you are never going to be able to put composite armor on a human sized frame

you are never going to get around needing big ass duck feet to walk without breaking the damn asphalt or sinking through loose packed earth.

you are never going to get around never being able to walk up stairs or in structures with basements or durka tier building codes

the idea of a fallout style power armor for anything but domestic riot control and enforcing a police state is the wet dream of anyone with an anti material rifle or a boner for making shaped charges. and there are a lot of those assholes in the places we'd be fielding the worlds slowest, lightest armored, least armed, AFV.

any heavy machine gun loaded up with it's version of SLAP would kill the occupant in the first round. Or literally any explosives turning him to jelly inside his tuna can. Or literally any rocket grenade with a HEAT warhead.

something more akin to the spartan armor, a light exoskeleton with ceramic plates looking all Imperial Guardsman chic, to improve our already pretty stellar survival rate of casualties is the only realistic, but pointless thing that may be fielded. IOTVs already cover all the bits of a person that are statistically likely to take a rifle shot or shrapnel. we lost 6000 soldiers in 15 years during two wars in iraq and afghanistan.

The role and idea of powerarmor was already filled and found lacking by the tankette during the interwar years. Only problem is anything with a real cannon, or heavy machinegun, would cut through them like butter. but at least a tankette moves faster than human walking speed and can be ridden.

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>>31773582
The only realistic scenario I see for power armour is for when foot soldiers have to face an enemy that has a massive physical advantage over them, other wise there isn't really a need, besides from environmental reasons.
Xeno obliteration in space when?

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>>31783098
ironically tankettes actually worked ::ok:: in the africa campaign. the italians fielded them and it made up an assload of the armor in the region. They kept wasting fuel on them so they were somewhat useful.

still instantly outclassed on the western front due to nonexistant armor, shit armament, and slow top speeds. the Nazis fielded more captured polish tankettes than the polish did and used them as mobile pillboxes.

If there was ever a tactical use for powerarmor, the role would be better filled by a tracked 2 man tankette or drone. Slap a TOW and Manpad to the top and give it a M2 browning or a 40mm grenade launcher as a main gun. Essentially what we already do with LAVs but without the added boon of infantry transport and an assload of internally stored ammunition.

>>31773640
Construction variations will happen. Modern servo assist platforms are being implemented in hospitals today. Sure it won't have the same plating, but it'll have enough to go hand-to-hand with a bear and win.

>>31782297
Nah, mostly they're just expensive, require paperwork, and are overall a hassle.

>>31773582

rather slim, and what makes you say tanks will be obsolete any time soon?

>>31782392

yes

>>31775704
>>>/tg/

>>31773640

>mfw milsurp older model power armor

The problem with powered armor is that they have this fleshy sack in the middle that takes up room that could be better used for fuel/a power supply.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVlhMGQgDkY

>clunkier but in some ways more robust and easier to service civilian power armor used for mining and construction

>bolt weapons and improvised armor on to it

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>>31783149
We'd probably go TAU/10 with long range dakka, indirect fire weapons, and tactically similar but less retarded armored fighting vehicles taking the role of faggy TAU gundam

it really depends on if we fought a machine AI like in 40k that gimped the use of advanced weapons systems. the go to current solution to dealing with Ork spores would be helicopter gunships and MK77 firebombs, not massed infantry and FIX BAYONETS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr92t1IDDJg

>>31775398
Guard > Marines. If the Marines are the spear tip, the Guard are the rest of the blade, the shaft & the guy holding the spear.

>>31774357
Better to have a fuckload of unmanned ground-based drones with a couple of exo-suit equipped advisors to supervise the operation. Cheaper on the long run, you can put more guns the the area than with men, and you don't lose people if shit hits the fan.

>>31774521
Exo-suit shouldn't be seen as a replacement to vehicles, rather they simply increase infantry survivability. We should move to fewer men and more drones taking part in direct combat. The few men that would participate in firefights would be equipped to keep up with the ground drones.

The only powered armor or power suit that would ever be practical is Crysis' Nanosuit. That's it.

>>31776984
I think the most viable power source for exo-suit is a hybrid battery/gas turbine generator. Use the battery when you need to be quieter, but you can fire up the turbine when marching distances at speed or during periods of high use. This partially solves the problem of energy density. We could also look into using mechanical suspension for the legs, sort of like an augmented metal tendon to store and release kinetic energy when walking to reduce power consumption a little.

>>31782419
Way too big. Think more exo-suit with more comprehensive plate coverage and a hydraulic/mechanical suspension system for increased speed and endurance. The point is to get infantry to hit fast and hard, so give each man a mortar or javelin system in addition to his rifle and grenades.

>>31783314
Man, I want to build a Guard army so damn bad, but a good one makes Hk guns look cheap.

>>31773582
>What are the odds we are really going to turn foot soldiers into tanks?.
not good odds.
androids will be cheaper, and contradicting what most people used to think, androids are slowly becoming a reality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFrjrgBV8K0

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>>31782419
I know that thing is retarded, but how can I not love it?

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>>31780910
That's exactly what one of the prototype mjolnir armors was though

Guy piloted it to cover civilians as they evacuated one of earths colony worlds when the covenant showed up, then detonated himself

>>31783213
the role of power armor is the same as the role of any body armor
the idea that you couldn't make body armor that could stop HMG fire is nonsense

As small airburst munitions become common place, having full light armor coverage to protect against shockwaves & shrapnel will be mandatory.

>>31773582
this has been predicted since tanks were first introduced.
a little premature don't you think?...gotta crystal ball do you?

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>>31773595
>not knowing basic science to know a real life fusion core would last a fuck ton of years
>not knowing that the original canon power armor had internal batteries to last a couple thousands of years.
I can tell you haven't played the first fallout

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>>31783266
>has trench art inside of it and pin up girls.
>has notches on how many commies the past enlisted took out, during the sino american war.

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Their women already are, OP.

Besides, trying to power an armored exoskeleton is gonna take decades of research and refining.