How do we educate Fallout 3 fans on how guns actually work?

>>31773514
remember, fallout is the game with the retarded drum shotgun

Bruh stop. Todd Howard isn't John Browning and not every company that makes role-playing fantasy games is required to hire a person specifically for the role of explaining how fictional fantasy guns should operate correctly.

>>31773540
Thanks, Todd.

>>31773540
maybe I should give them a sales pitch cause they may not require it but fuck they need it

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>>31773514
Fallout 3/4 fan here, I own guns and know how they work. Also Fallout 4 is the best Fallout game in the series.

>>31773514

I'm from Stephenville and went to college there and never knew that Mac 10s originated from there.

Should be something were proud of instead of "Dairy Capital of Texas" or "Cowboy Hall of Fame"

>>31773633
>Cowboy Hall of Fame"
Nothing wrong with that.

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>>31773619
>Fallout 4 is the best Fallout game in the series

>>31773619
Your opinion gave me cancer.

>>31773646

I don't mind cowboys, I just hate people trying so hard to "be" more cowboy than others...

>Rhinestones are gay, buckles should be earned, and quit showing off your boots.

>>31773619
>Fallout 4 is the best Fallout game in the series.
It's not even a fallout game though.

>>31773540
Obsidian did it, Bethesda should be able to.

>>31773619
>best Fallout game

I mean it's a pretty decent Far Cry spinoff. Or a more fantastical version of STALKER.

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>>31773514
I'm a fallout fan, lets start with that.
I love guns and NV was my favorite game out of the lot.
Now, that in mind, I know how guns work.
I'm a little confused, how do normal fallout fans think guns work?

>>31773619
I want millenials to leave

>>31773706
What is it then?

>>31773737
>people born between 1980 and 1990 have to leave
You sure you didn't meant Post-Millenials/i-Generation

>>31773752
*1980-1999
Goddamn

>>31773737
>>31773752
He means idiots who conform to the post modern styles of life, blaming everything on everyone else, and who have bought into the capitalist markets where everything costs more money and you're shelling out your paycheck for shitty dlc no one wanted and should have been included in the full game anyways.

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>>31773648
>>31773653
>>31773706
>>31773711
>>31773737
>Muh nostalgia
Oh boy Obsidian fanboys.

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>>31773763
>shelling out your paycheck for shitty dlc no one wanted and should have been included in the full game anyways.
>Didn't buy the season pass at the start when it was cheap

>>31773768
>buying the season at the start when it was "cheap"
>not downloading the season pass at the start when it was free

>>31773768
>buying season passes at the beginning when no one knows if the dlc is going to be total shit or not

>>31773764
I liked both New Vegas and Fallout 3 a lot more than 4.

Not that I haven't spend a lot of time playing 4, I have, and I had a lot of fun, but it doesn't feel like a Fallout game.

>Gutted speech system
>Boring quests, most of them infinitely repeating radiants
>Almost every quest has only one path and solution, almost always involves violence.

It feels more like Far Cry or STALKER to me, the actual quests bore me to tears so all I do is wander around the open world exploring on my own terms and getting into fights.

>>31773764
>Doesn't care about lore
>Only played 3, NV, & 4
>Doesn't understand the concept of challenging
>Power armor crutch player
>Actually uses vats
>Muh power gaming
>Muh graphics
>Muh brand new games

Does that about sum you up?

>>31773768
>Buying a shit game at all and not just playing NV

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>>31773619
>Fallout 4 is the best Fallout game in the series.
I am so fucking triggered right now.

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>>31773764
>complaining about Obsidian fanboys
>on /k/

>>31773745
A post apocalyptic minecraft with a side of FPS. Speech was a mess (it didn't go full mas effect detailing tier at least,) "legendary" weapons range from pitiful to god tier for no particular reason. It's just straight up magic that some are better than others. They hand you power armor, a minigun and a free deathclaw kill right out the door. Kill, loot, return is 80% of the quests, some of which are endlessly repeatable. Blitz made melee a joke. The perk chart combined perks, skills, and poor leveling design into one abomination. The settlement building was 1/4th of the major factions, and all of the DLC except Far Harbor and 30% of Nuka World. Speaking of the factions, one is 10-20 dudes in a basement at most, and at least two of them end up making you their leader for some reason.
>>31773764
I didn't say jack shit about FNV. Fallout 4 feels like an updated Fallout 3 at best, which is doesn't have an excuse for given a development time of 3 years and being a AAA title.

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>>31773725
I love the MMP-80 so much.

The shells should be less able to carry payload, but according to most sources the MMP-80 still penetrates more armor. I guess HEAT loads are either too logistically taxing to load in every single round for MS weaponry, or perhaps aren't feasible for some otyher reason.

>>31773814
But FNV was literally an updated/pre-modded FO3?

>>31773619
>>31773764
Lad I don't even play videogames anymore and the few webms I have seen of 4 are utter trash

literally bioware tier

>>31773619
Not sure if b8 but I agree, F4 is the best. It just requires a lot of mods for better (aka /k/ friendly) weapons/armor/clothing and shit like that. Before F4 came out I was OBSESSED with New Vegas but F4 is such a major play-mechanic improvement, in the same sense that Skyrim has a better playability than Oblivion.

I never played fallout did I miss anything good ?

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>>31773521
>retarded
>drum shotgun
Pick one, faggot

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>>31773619
>Fallout 4 is the best Fallout game in the series.

>>31773999
In fallout 1, 2 and NV you missed some of the best post-apocalyptic storytelling.

In Fallout 4 you missed a bowling ball launcher and some nice-looking set pieces.

>>31773786
I've been playing rimworld ice sheet insane randy random for the past week straight and I can say honestly having to memorize stats and shit like you do in fallout isometric games is no fun

I think fallout 4 is a ton of fun. But when it comes the weapons (this board's topic, remember guys? Not muh lore or muh dialogue trees), I think that there simply wasn't enough variety in the stock game.

Also, the assault rifle in that game looks super retarded. And the institute weapons are fuckhuge for no reason. And the modding system all but ensures that you have nothing but recoil compensated single shot rifles by making the same bullet out of the same gun do less damage by virtue of the gun being automatic. That pisses me off the most.

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>>31773619
Tfw you'll always love fallput 1 and 2 over the new ones.

>>31774025
You clearly don't know what he's talking about.

He's not saying that shotguns with drum magazines are retarded, but that particular one is.

>>31774134
I got into the series with 3, then went back to play the originals.

I liked the originals a lot, but I still like the new ones more. I just can't lose myself in the world with the old games. I love the new ones for putting on the radio and walking down an old dusty road, seeing movement off in the distance, exploring the world in unbroken first person.

I actually really liked Tactics, thought the isometric viewpoint was a real asset there and I loved the idea of a hybrid tactical squad combat and RPG game system, though some parts of the game were really annoying (looking at you super mutants.)

Overall I really liked the originals, but I went back to play 1 and 2 because I felt like I owed them a few plays for being so important in gaming history, rather than games I'd just pick up and play on any given day I was looking for something fun to do.

>>31773514
It's a modern game.

Millennials have ruined that game. Like most modern games. Getting accurate guns doesn't matter to them anymore.

>>31773653
R.I.P. in peices

NV+Real Damage mod=how I was really able to enjoy the game.

Close fights=dying
Varmint rifles+scopes=cheap living
Getting into shit that isn't your problem=dying
It made the game significantly harder because some fuck with a lucky head tap ended you but it was easier to really get deep into the game.

>>31774158
Yeah, because doom and wolfenstien were so accurate.

God, you're a fag.

>>31774279
>comparing abstract corridor FPS games to modern shit like Fallout 4
You millennials really just prove every time you start typing how fucking retarded you are.

>>31773540
Todd Howard can't even figure out how knives work and if he makes a functional magic system in a game before he dies I'll be shocked.

>>31774134
I've never even played the new ones after I found out they made it into some FPS. Not everything needs to be first-person.

>>31774331
Name a game from the "good ol days" that had this attention to detail you're so hard for.

Also, I was born in '89, you stupid cocksucker. God, calling people you disagree with "millennial" is almost as bad as "cuck". Almost.

>>31774210
>realistic damage mods
>Ratslayer special varmint rifle
Its all I used, senpai

>>31774434
>Name a game from the "good ol days" that had this attention to detail you're so hard for.
Realistic shooters weren't a thing outside of Rainbow Six.

That started in the 2000s, kiddo. You know when you were born.

>>31773814
>a post-apocalyptic minecraft
>implying minecraft isn't already post-apocalyptic

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>>31774434
>Also, I was born in '89, you stupid cocksucker.

Uhh...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials
>[...] demographers and researchers typically use the early 1980s as starting birth years and ending birth years ranging from the mid-1990s to early 2000s.

>>31773619

>Fallout 3/4 fan here

how to discredit your opinion with 3 and a half words.

>>31773710

and the game was no better because of it. you had all kinds of different ammo loads but none of it really mattered outside of hollow point and armor piercing

>>31774435

who cares you fucking newfag tripfaggot stop posting and go off yourself

>>31774459
Someone born in 1980 would have had a NES as their first console.
Someone born in 2000 would have had a XBox 360 as their first console.

Nowhere near the same generation.

>>31774465

No, the game was better because of the million other things that obsidian did right and bethesda did wrong.

>>31773791

fallout 4 is more fun than new vegas by a large margin. the only issue with fallout 4 is that the plot sucks.

>>31774473

lol

>>>/global/rules/2

>>31774470
Yeah, about that... Video games are not how generations are delineated.

>>31774481
>communication technology has no impact on a culture
k

>>31774481

would you kindly contain your autism?

You know exactly what he meant no need to fucking act more retarded than you actually are.

>>31774481
You pedantic piece of shit, you know damn well what people are trying to say.

>>31773619
>Also Fallout 4 is the best Fallout game in the series.

I bet you liked the star wars prequels.

>>31773654
Right? I was at the gas station outside a garth brooks concert, all these dumbasses in brand new levis and rhinestone plastered boots are buying cans of skoal to stuff in their pockets giggling about how "country" they look.

It was perhaps the gayest most poser shit I had ever seen.

>>31774487
>>31774489
15-20 year spans of time were good enough for other generations, but suddenly the specialest of the snowflakes are here, so we gotta change everything!

>>31774498
>all generations are 15-20 years
k

>>31774498
We DO when we're talking about VIDEO GAMES which is the point of this THREAD you FAGGOT

>>31774498

You ---------------->
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>>31773768
>Buying a promise that content for product you already bought, would come and you might be able to get it

>>31774465
The game was absolutely better off for it. New Vegas actually had a decent variety and selection of guns. They weren't all just the same exact pipe rifles with different grips, barrels, and retarded bayonets. Shit like that is what pissed me off about borderlands.

>>31773768
>That disgusting hud color

Anything but White, Amber, and Teal is eye rape; especially the garbage tier stock green.

>>31774466
I already off myself on the daily nerd
>checked those triple dubs

>>31774502
Read the comment thread, you faggot. We weren't talking about video game console generations.

>context
>how does it work?

>>31774531

>being called out by multiple people for being a retard, a faggot and an autist
>better be more autistic and pedantic

nigga...

>>31774535
>facts are made by popularity

nigga...

>>31774540
>my opinions about video games are now fact
Nigga....

>>31774517

fallout nv did have a larger variety of unique guns, but fallout 4 gives you a large variety of customization options for its arsenal, as well as the power armor gameplay being top notch.

>>31774540

People who aren't incredibly retarded notice when they are being retarded, especially after being called out by multiple people on their faggotry.

>>31774546

>as well as the power armor gameplay being top notch.

lol

>>>/global/rules/2

confirmed for not having any clue about the lore of fallout.

>>31774545
>I was talking about video games at some point

nigga...

>>31774558

>bunch of people talking bout video games in a dedicated thread to it
>lol I wasn't talking about video-games you RETARDS!!111

Mods are literally the only way to play Fallout 4 for an extended amount of time.
There's nothing like blasting Romero like zombie-ghouls with a mish mash of a Sten, an MP18, and a Type 100 while Vietnam War era music in the National Guard Training Grounds where you heard Service Rifles were stored via the mod desc.

It's the little things.

>>31774564

No, really. Do you even know what you're arguing anymore?

Literally nothing to do with video games:
>>31774459

>>31774567
Do you have a link to any of these mods?

>>31774546
That's my point, though. You can put 40 different accessories and attachments on the gun, but it's still the same gun at the end of the day. I like the system, but I think it could have been implicated better and it doesn't change the fact that there are like 20 base guns.

>>31774576
Are you actually mentally deficient?

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>>31774025
Explain this dumbass

>>31774587
Are you so offended by the prospect that you might be a millenial that you're willing to call someone mentally deficient?

>>31774576

I'm not arguing. I call you a faggot

Love the MAC-10 mod I have for fallout4. Feels pretty good when you have an UZI with a fire rate of 486, chambered in .45. The recoil is deliciously hard to manage. Feels even better when you find a legendary variant that fires explosive rounds.

>>31774592

please, go back to >>>reddit

>>31774592
I'm not a millennial though.. And your magazine definition and made up rules of a generation being only 20 years is laughable at best.

>>31774555

>got so mad at the fact that they retconned power armor batteries lasting forever that he insists on not having fun.

no one cares about your lore, you might as well treat all modern fallout games as alternate universes.

>>31774603

>no one cares about your lore

really? That's why I told you to read the rules and get the fuck off this site you underage b&

>>31774603
>>31774546
>>31774465
>lore doesn't matter
Kill yourself millennial.

>>31774603
>rpg
>no one cares about the lore

>>31774617
>Kill yourself millennial.
I like you.

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>It's another Fallout thread
Fuck off already

>>31774620
>>31774617

a majority of people only care about the fallout setting, the intricacies of the universe don't matter to them because they aren't giant nerds who read falloutwiki all day.

like seriously, who gets mad about power armor batteries?

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>>31773619
>I like shitty FPSs with RPG flavoring over actual RPGs

>>31774645
>muh canon don't matter
>carry my hand
>make this shit into a tablet game for my millennial mind
End yourself.

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>>31773768
>buying a season pass when not all the DLC is going to be included on it
>not waiting for the half priced GOTY edition that has all the DLC on it like 99% of all AAA games have nowadays

>>31774661
>making excuses for DLC
>DLC at all
Example of the retards that ruined gaming the post.

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>>31774654

>making power armor require fuel is hand-holding
>putting words in my mouth because you think anyone who has different opinions than you is a millennial nu-male cuck thingy
>being /v/-tier nonconformist

>>31774674
What are you talking about? /v/ is filled with your kind. The retards that want ez mode gaming.

>>31774669
I wish DLCs would go away, but it's never going to happen at this point. The best you can do now if you don't want to deal with that is either pirate the games you want to play or wait a year for them to release the "full" game. Or you can just buy games like TW3 where they give you expansion packs instead of little nonsense DLCs, but I don't find that fundamentally different than the prevailing DLC model at all.

>>31774690

i would like you to explain what is 'ez mode' in fallout 4.

>>31774645
I used to get slightly butthurt about it.
But after playing Fallout 4 for a few hours, you are practically swimming in power cores. So it isn't a big gameplay problem anymore, and you stop thinking about it.

>>31774696
It's a console game.

>>31774701

well shitposted my friend, i can now exit the thread knowing you're a fucking re-re goober.

>>31774707
Great comeback. You know you're right. Fallout 4 totally wasn't nerfed for the console market. It's just like the first Fallouts!

>>31773994
Well constructed bait anon

>>31774707
The UI alone should tell you that Bethesda Fallout is a hasty console port. Then again, if you actually liked them it comes as no surprise to know you're an idiot.

>>31774589
In this state it wouldn't work.
But if one thinks of the front loading henry rifles.
it might be possible to create a lever action that uses the drum as some kind of speed loader to fill the tube.

Might even be possible to fuck up Australian gun laws if speed loaders are legal over there.

I thought new vegas was fine, but people put it on too much of a pedestal.

Its still basically just a fallout 3 expansion.

this is some weapons-grade /v/ autism brewing in here.

Todd Howard ruined the series starting with Oblivion, not millennials. Todd is a Boomer. And yes it's the same damned series at this point.

>>31774844
Yeah, although it still feels like Fallout 3 was the spin off in the series and New Vegas should have been the actual third game.

>>31773514
>not knowing the mac 10 bolt wraps around the barrel

Pic triggered me OP

>>31774470
More importantly someone born in 80 is old enough to be a non-teen parent of someone born in 2000.

>>31774589
Alright alright. I don't know the animation for this since I never really played fallout but let's assume it's a pump action as it appears.
If the barrel is lifted upward as it appears in many games for pump guns when the round is pumped out the rearward slide motion releases 1 shell from the drum which slides through the tube (because gravity) into the action. Between the drum and action is just tube no spring.

Option 2 this one seems more workable if it was a real gun.
The barrel is not lifted.
In front of the drum, when the action is pulled rearward a piece hits the front of a shell which propels the shell rearward into the action allowing it to cycle as a tube fed. This would work if you pumped the shotgun reasonably hard.

Again I don't play the damn game just guessing at how some one would make it work.

>>31774932
It's semi.

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>>31773725
>FNV did it
they still fucked up all the ARs though.

>>31774954
RIP.

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>>31774932
>>31774589
it probably works like every other shotgun on the planet except instead of just a tube, it has a drum that feeds to the tube with, like, springs, or something.

>>31775053
Can't. How would the springs work? How does the bolt move?

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>>31773619
It hurts, knowing that people like you exist.

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>>31774651
>I like shitty RPGs with FPS flavoring over actual FPSs

fallout is cancer no matter which way you slice it

>>31773793
Fallout NV is now really unstable on Windows 10, so fml.

>>31775057
>How would the springs work?
I dunno, like, you take a piece of metal, then you twist it around a form, then you set it on fire so it stays in shape. I think that's how they make springs.

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>>31773793
NV sucked

the gunplay is trash because the level design is garbage. everything is flat nothingness so there's no fun to be had shooting dudes, at least F3 had some cover to use around

the writing is cringey garbage, too. complain all you want about bethesda being LOL SO QUIRKSTY, NV has basically the same tier of edgelord writing and forced humor

>>31773780
>>Gutted speech system
even in the early games, you only ever had at most 5 options, most of them being staggeringly similar to eachother, if not just being the time's equivalent of memes

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>>31775086
>edgelord writing

This is going to sounds pretentious, but NV's writing was much more intelligent than Fallout 3's absolute trainwreck of a plot. Also

>not having fun eradicating Vault 3 fiends
>not having fun fucking up the entire Fort + legion camps
>not having fun sniping powder ganger scum from 200+ yards away

>>31773619
>"fallout"
>"3/4"
get the fuck out of here
The only decent 3D Fallout was New Vegas.

>>31773514
But this is true

4chans "dank """""""memes"""""""" are getting tiring

>>31774210
The only problem I have with this mob is the few rooms where you get spotted right away.

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>>31775116
>This is going to sounds pretentious
it does, especially since you're looking for "intelligent" writing out of a game that gives us such timeless characters as Long Dick Johnson and Fisto the Robot, and whose core plot is about a ground war between a modern force and a bunch of guys wearing football padding and dreadlock wigs

>>31775014
They only had one year to make the game

>>31775116
>>not having fun eradicating Vault 108 Garys
>>not having fun fucking up all of Raven Rock + enclave camps
>>not having fun sniping mutant scum from 200+ yards away

F3 and NV are basically identical games

>>31775165
so did Titanfall but Titanfall manages to not be a bad game

>>31775165
maybe they should have spent their time better than modelling literally four different models of AR, all of which are totally unworkable and are missing gas tubes and have protruding bits on the bolt and shit

maybe they should have reused the actually not terribly modeled G3 and AK from fallout 3 instead of dummying them out in spite

>>31773619
>fallout 4
>not saying fallout New Vegas
I bet your a fucking hipster

>>31775154
I never said it was the pinnacle of post-apocalyptic writing. It's just leagues better than Fallout 3's jumble fuck of a plot.

Fallout 3 was all black and white. There was little to no in between or 'gray' areas. Enclave was undeniably the bad guys, Brotherhood was undeniably the good guys.

New Vegas had no right or wrong answers, only results of your decisions. Are the Legion pretty bad? Sure, but in the Legion, safety is guaranteed and civilization is brought, harsh as it may be. Is the NCR portrayed as good? Sure, but as you dig deeper you see they're no different than and foreign invading force, forcefully occupying land and taxing "their" citizens into oblivion. And Yes Man and House are even further gray areas. Of course there were instances of good and bad answers.

>>31775179
Oh I had fun in FO3, don't get me wrong. And the combat is essentially the same between the two, granted VATS is more balanced and the implementation of strength requirements, Damage Threshold, weapon mods, etc. It's still practically the same combat, and I'm not even trying to be sarcastic.

>>31774629

>dosent want to see a thread
>posts in it

fuck off

>>31775218
>Enclave was undeniably the bad guys, Brotherhood was undeniably the good guys.
welcome to Fallout 2, faggot

>New Vegas had no right or wrong answers,
Legion is undeniably evil as written and they didnt even try to justify their raider-ness in the DLCs

>>31775244
Was the original Roman civilization undeniably evil? Because that's what they were trying to emulate.

Are there, relative to today, bad aspects about it? Of course. Slavery is horrid by today's standards, as is the rampant and blatant misogyny and homophobia, but the society actually functions. Traders and their people are protected by raiders and other outside forces. It becomes a question of how much freedom are you willing to sacrifice to ensure security? They protect their people leagues better than the NCR but I do admit they aren't fleshed out nearly as well and the result is that they all look like just a band of raiders and slavers. I just wish they had more time because an entire part of the map east of the Colorado was planned but never actually made.

>>31774932
>>31774589
As a pump or lever action it might work.

>>31775294
>>31774932
>>31775053
>>31774787
Are you retards honestly trying to make a case for that fucking thing?

>>31775287
>Because that's what they were trying to emulate.
not really, they're basically slavers and raiders

they're closer to the barbarians that the actual roman empire despised (and fell to) than they are to the empire itself

>>31775053
Where does the bolt go? Is it jointed in 3 places so it can follow a retard roller coaster down into the stock?

>>31775014
>missing a charging handle
Eh, a relatively tiny part that needed to be coded. I'm not defending them, but I can see why it would have been missed with them in a rush.

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>>31773619
Here's a simple list from best to worst for your dumb ass: Fallout: New Vegas
Fallout 2
Fallout: Tactics
Fallout 1
Fallout 3
Fallout 4

(Also can't wait for Fallout: New Orleans to blow 3 and 4 out of the fucking water because it's made by Obsidian)

>>31773633
I'm all for cowboy shit, but no one who lives outside of stephenville likes stephenville.

Hot college sloots tho.

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>>31773619
as a fan of Fallout 3 & New Vegas, and as a person who has played and enjoyed all the original Fallout games, and as a person who has over 100 hours in Fallout 4

STOP

>>31775071
No, dumbass, how is the spring going to move the shell from the drum at the very end of the tube to the chamber?

>>31774877
I mean, that's true but the basic point the guy was making is correct. Yes, the barrel is not that short. Also, it starts firing a little before it fully closes, which is actually preferable for an open bolt.

>>31773654
Saw this a lot when i was in A school.
>tfw one of three rednecks on a base full of weabs.

>>31775179
>so did Titanfall but Titanfall manages to not be a bad game
Theres a lot more to FNV.

>>31775557
Iktf
>redneck in mech engineering
Oh man that was some good times.

>>31773646
>>31773654
>>31774493

Cowboys ain't easy to love, and they're harder to hold.

They'd rather give you a song than diamonds or gold.

Lone Star belt buckles, and old faded Levis and each night begins a new day.

If you don't understand him and he don't die young,
He'll probably just ride away.

>>31775439
Can you explain to me why you and many others hate Fallout 3?

>>31774158
Timesplitters says go fuck yourself.

>>31775439
Was that confirmed?

>>31774589
Open bolt 12 gauge?

Yeah, it's trash, we get it.

>>31773768
Far Harbor was the only good DLC though.

>>31774567
Vietnam war film music got me back into this game.

>>31774589
Ppsh, heck of a shotgun desu

>>31774669
Maybe there's still hope?
I miss expansion packs, but there have been aone good ones in not too distant memory: TLaD, TBoGT, Far Cry Blood Dragon, Red Dead Redemption: Undead Nightmare etc

>>31775780
Thanks for the kek, anon

>>31775086
>I'm such a despicably boring cunt that I didn't enjoy doing a low Intelligence run and picking every 'retard' dialogue option

>>31773619
Fucking kys

>>31775310
Yeah, but the NCR is going to take all your shit for their barons, disarm and stick you in prison style sharecropper camps (for your own "safety") as soon as you can't afford to pay for the water they're stealing from you, and fuck up miserably when they've got to actually ensure your security.

The legion is fascistic, homophobic, and misogynistic, but both factions have slaves. The difference is that the Legion admits it and can actually ensure security for it's people.

>>31773619
Of the reboots:

FALLOUT NEW VEGAS

FALLOUT 4

FALLOUT 3

in that order

>>31776169
Came out in the PS2 era, kid..

>>31775064
Source on that image?

>>31776300
Not a 100% what you mean, I thought the implication was that if a game didnt have accurate guns it was shit. Timesplitters was great and it didn't have made up guns. My first console was a megadrive.

>>31776397
My point is it's garbage.

>>31776436
Well that's like, your opinion.
What games do you like?
Ultimately realism in FPS games and such like can only go so far, they'll never have the fear of death in them for starters.

Anyway, fuck you, the PS2 was brilliant

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>>31773619
>Fallout 4 is the best Fallout game in the series

>>31776486
>Anyway, fuck you, the PS2 was brilliant
No. It was 480i trash.. The worst console I've ever played. Anything on PC at the time blew it out of the water.. The XBox was overall better. Was the death of gaming too with the cinematic bullshit of FF and the Kingdom heart games.


For FPS? These days I just aim for accurate enough that it doesn't completely ruin my experience. All AAA FPS past about 2008 are console ports so not like it matters. I am enjoying Squad right now.

>>31775287
>Homophobia
>Roman Empire

>>31776135
The biggest reason is that it's a shit game and terrible, hopefully that helps.

>>31773814
>memba black isle?
>memba obsidion guiz?

your a faggot anon. i liked FO1 and 2 too, but try to appreciate FO3, NV and FO4 for what they are, decent continuations of the series.

>implying I don't know that I used your/you're incorrectly

>>31776135
I didn't hate it, thought it was just ok. Didn't have a real "fallout" feel to it IMHO and the main quest was boring. Whole game was lacking in the humour and adult themes that made the originals so great; like they put campiness before substance and made it kid friendly.

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>>31774589
now shut the fuck now

>>31776658
Cool, where does the bolt go?

>>31776600
>muh resolution
>PC master race!!
I prefer gaming in a PC.
But at that time there wasn't a way for me to have three friends round and have a blast with a game on a PC. There was on the PS2.
It was probably the last console I liked, you out the disc in and it just played, which I couldn't guarantee with a computer at the time.
Now, what with forced updates, forced patches, installation, paying for online etc etc I'd say console gaming IS more inconvenient than PC.
If you couldn't have fun on a PS2 you must have been a very sad person.

>>31776704
Sorry, console gaming ISN'T more convenient.

By turning consoles into gutted, crippled PC's they've killed the biggest advantage consoles had.

>>31776704
>muh resolution
I don't care about the resolution dumbass. Where did I mention that?

>If you couldn't have fun on a PS2 you must have been a very sad person.
fun =/= quality fun
I had fun with gameboys. I'm not going to say a yellowish green screen that isn't even backlit is good.

>>31774080

FO4 uses straight-up MAGIC in some of the guns, that's what pissed me off the most

There was one where it would do more damage with each successive hit, but if you missed you went back to doing base damage, again with the same fucking bullet

>>31776658
Alright, how does it feed from the magazine to the tube? If its a spring then how is such a long spring brought back into position when it cycles?

>>31773633

"Dairy Capital of Texas" or "Cowboy Hall of Fame" are better than one of the shittiest guns ever made.

>>31775439
>Fallout: New Orleans
I don't believe you.
It's too good to be true.

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>>31775192
>are missing gas tubes
Really no point in wasting resources modeling something that even most people on /k/ would never notice in normal play unless they were actually looking for it.

>and have protruding bits on the bolt and shit
You mean a bolt handle due to engine limitations? Obsidian actually needed to have a few deviations from complete realism in the gun design due to engine limitations. I remember they needed to change something with one of the grenade launchers as well but can't remember what off hand.

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Have them play Warhammer: 40,000

>>31775086
>using as an example the literal edgy humor DLC with brains in jars and a meth'd out super villain brain in a jar

you failed at changing my opinion, New Vegas is up there as one of my favorite games of all time with the original KOTOR.

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>>31776864

>Really no point in wasting resources modeling something that even most people on /k/ would never notice in normal play unless they were actually looking for it.

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>>31774589
>>31776683
>>31776766
>magazine works like the X Rail (pic related)
>gun uses a blow forward action
Done.

>>31774524
>implying 4chan green is a bad color
GTFO

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>>31776914
>>31776930
>blow forward
>shotgun

>>31776893
What are you getting at? You wouldn't be able to see the gas tube on the AR model unless you were looking at it directly from the side from close up which almost never happens.

>>31776914
The Xrail keeps spring tension on all the rounds and slowly pushes them into the tube. The CS looks like the spring is in the tube ahead of the magazine, so the spring would need to be pushed back behind the magazine and reset with every shot in order to push the next round in.

>>31773619
The only "good" one of the FPS variant fallouts is New Vegas, and that's only because they got the original team who made 1 & 2 to produce it, Bethesda meanwhile did jack shit.

>Inb4 true to Caesar

>>31776849
This. No way they are going down South, I think they're just gonna go back to California.

>>31773514
>tfw enjoyed all the new 3D FO games equally
Seriously tho, why can't you guys just appreciate it? Without Bethesda "shitting" on it the entire series would be finished with tactics/2

>>31776942
see: SOW

>>31777205
>why can't you guys just appreciate it
Because FO3 is shit in more ways than I can list in a single post to the point where immersion is nearly impossible for me with any level of suspension of disbelief short of lobotomizing myself (and that's disregarding my complaints about the weapons), and while I haven't played FO4 it pisses me off reading how much functionality they stripped out that was added in FO:NV.

>>31777963

>Because FO3 is shit in more ways than I can list in a single post

I'll do one for you. The fucked up morality system, that was probably written for complete morons.

>Hmm, I'm gonna kill some fucker randomly, this guy in the bar looks good
>*BLAM*
>*Karma gained*
>Huh, what
>Oh, he's actually a bad guy. So i'm a good person for shooting guys randomly cause they might be bad guys, neat

Meanwhile in a parallel dimension

>Hmm, I wonder what this guy has to say
>Oh so he thinks it would be a totally neat idea to blow up a city
>So in this RolePlaying game, where apparently my choices matter, I have to choose between the moral implications of blowing up a city killing a few hundred innocent people, Or stopping the guy planning to blow up a city
>Oh the vast and difficult implications of both choices
>Oh whatever should I pick
>The literal psychopath, or the Golden Armoured hero?

No room for Gray morality IN MY GAME ABOUT THE APOCALYPSE, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE EASIEST SETTING IN WHICH TO WRITE GRAY MORALITY. No, it's either Bastard or Saint. So intellectually stimulating and engaging

The worst fucking part is, that if you choose to blow up a fucking city, and kill a fuckton of innocent people, when you finally meet your father at the end of the game, you basically get a "I'm not mad, just disappointed" speech from him. I just blew killed a boatload of innocent people for no other reason than "Shits and Grins" and he acts as if I stole a cookie from the corner shop? Was this game written by psychopaths?

>>31778354

every moral decision involves extra dialogue, animations and geometry. theres a reason why oldschool RPGs have so many different paths to take, because all of it is just text.

>>31778354
How about how there's no reason for Megaton to even exist when there's an already existing town right beside it that the people could have occupied instead? Or the ridiculous way of how little area different factions have control of and how close the factions live to each other to the point that simply opening a door in a subway leads you from fighting raiders to fighting supermutants or how there are times when you can do things like shoot slavers at their camp from a supermutant camp? Or the sidequest with the edgy people who think they're vampires and how you can just offer to have the settlers in the area donate blood with used needles and none of them complain? Or the entire main quest line that people have written long articles about everything wrong with?

>>31778512

Dialogue maybe, but extra animations and geometry? I doubt it. All it would take to add a little bit of moral sense to that scene is for the bomber to give a good reason as to why Megaton should be destroyed, and that is easily done with competent writers. You don't need 27 billion 7 hour moral quandaries, all intricately detailed scenarios which are radically different from each other.
All you really need is two, maybe three scenarios, but just write them so all of them are in some way sympathetic, instead of just being a literal "Hero vs Villain" episode, leaving the player to decide what they think is the right choice, or choosing the option that best fits their own agenda, you know, like a Fucking roleplay game?

>>31775086
Guaranteed replies
>>31776891
I liked Kotor 2 better. Not here to argue I just liked the story more and they fixed the mechanics as well.

>inb4 muh Revan reveal!!!1!!
If you didn't see that one coming you haven't read enough good literature. I still liked the first one that just wasn't earth shaking for me like everyone else I talked to.

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>>31775086
NEW VEGAS?
LOVE NEW VEGAS.
HATE NEW VEGAS.
MAYBE SOME OTHER TIME (NEW VEGAS)

>>31776942
>>31776914
Maybe that's why the thing breaks all the fucking time desu