1911

No. Sig 1911s are overpriced for what you get.

>>31767563
If you want a mim extractor that will break and isn't proper for a 1911 anyway.

That's the only reason I can think of.

>>31767563
For the new ones? Nope. They have a retarded amount of models too, but they're charging for the name and aesthetics beyond a certain price. RIA actually makes pretty competent pistols.

>>31767563
There's no reason you should be looking at either. If your entry level 1911 isn't a Colt or Springfield, or an actual surplus, you're wasting your money on inferior quality and manufacturing. In the SIG's case you're wasting even more money.

Poorfags will say their RIA/Armscor/SIG works fine the two times a year they can afford a box of .45 to take it out, don't be fooled though.

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>>31769116
>entry level 1911 isn't a Colt or Springfield, or an actual surplus, you're wasting your money

I like horse rollmarks and Croatian guns as much as the next guy but come on. Those are practically the definition of paying for a name.

>>31767563
>overpriced
>special snowflake Sig slide machining won't fit kydex or boned leather 1911 holsters
>having money for a Sig and not getting a Springfield Range Officer instead

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>>31767563
I got a TTT because for whatever reason, the two-piece barrel Loaded 1911s are out of stock (I guess Springfield has a really shitty batch push system). If I could do it all again, I'd have waited for a TRP or MC Operator to come back in stock (only because of the traditional slide profile.)

After discount it was about $900, which is a lot, honestly. But, you do get a few things.
Series 80 safety and external extractor. Now, the Series 80 is a pain in the ass, but it's worked and if you so choose, it's removable. The external extractor isn't really an issue, but of course people like to get all anal about it not being the original design. However, most of the people here haven't had to tune an internal extractor themselves, so whatever.
Additionally, you'll have to deal with the Sig cuts on the slide, which makes it a pain in the ass, but most people buy custom Kydex or leather holsters anyway, you'll just have to get another one whenever you get a 1911 in a traditional slide profile.

But, you get some nice bennies that only come with paying even more top dollar for let's say a Colt, Kimber, and Springer. You'll get front-strap checkering, extended grip safety, undercut frame, pretty nice fit and finish, extended mag release, slide stop and safety and night sights stock. None of those features are absolutely a deal-breaker, but whatever.

tl;dr: get whatever you want. Sig is expensive, but so is a $1400 Colt Combat Unit 1911, Springfield TRP or Kimber Warrior II. It's a good gun. RIA's are good for what they are: cast-frame beaters that make pretty good project guns.

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>>31767563
OP, I also failed to mention that the realm of 1911's is akin to the realm of AR-15's. It's a swirling cockmass of "you could have gotten better" and "lol poorfag."

>Yeah, that RIA? Why not a Springfield Mil-Spec? Why not that Colt? Lol you should have gotten Novaks.
>You got a Loaded? Why didn't you get the TRP instead?
>You spent all that money on a Rail Gun? Why didn't you just get the M45?
>TRP? Why didn't you save up for a Professional? Or a Dan Wesson?
>Lol semi-custom scrubs, look at my Wilson/Baer/Brown

Etc. Etc. until the end of time. But lucky for you, 1911's are like AR's in that they're mostly user-serviceable. So just get a good, reliable base gun and swap out parts as you see fit. Be warned, each brand is special-snowflake tier and you might have to fit parts with files and the like. Also, the part that is almost as important as the frame-to-slide fit is the barrel. Try to get a 1911 with a quality barrel so you don't have to go through the headache of fitting a new one to your current slide.

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>>31769116

There's no reason to buy a Colt or Springfield. If your entry level 1911 isn't a Nighthawk or WC, or an Heirloom, you're wasting your money on inferior quality and manufacturing. In Colt's case you're wasting even more money because they haven't done anything noteworthy in years and are just cashing in on the name,

Poorfags will say their Colt / Springfield works fine the zero times a year they can afford a box of 45 to take it out, don't be fooled though.

>>31769193
The Springfield 1911s are Brazilian. The XD is Croatian.

>>31769058
At what point does it break? I'm asking because 1000 rounds through my SIG 1911 and it hasn't broke yet. Just wondering. Or are you just spewing the usual SIG is shit memeshit?

Who has the 1911 tier chart?

>>31770229
What knife is that?

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>>31772692
Benchmade 940

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>>31772655
This it?

>>31770576
Colts are fine I would rather shoot .45 from my USP and I do but my Colt Series 70 is a great pistol it runs fine... fuck series 80s though. If I was going to spend a lot of money on a 1911 I'd buy an STI possibly a Les Baer

>>31773121
Do you drive an Audi? 2 tone rolex day date and a sig 1911.... you don't have any taste.

>P30SK
>Omega Seamaster 24 jewel movement w/ date champagne dial, stainless case and lugs
>SOG Tac Automatic
>Acura 2016 RLX (company car) / Porsche 2014 991 GT3
>KTM 500 EXC / BMW s1000rr

>>31774208
its not even a rolly its a seiko nvm 2 tone watches are ugly though get a nice stainless for work and a nice gold watch for special occasions.

>>31774219
Fuck off watchfag

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>>31770229
This honestly. Most people who buy the most expensive, high tier components don't really have the technical ability for it to make much or any difference in their shooting. It's like with guitars the people who buy the really expensive Les Pauls or JEMs/other shredder guitars and make fun of you for having mid-tier shit and then turn around and use it to play three-chord songs and a butchered Stairway to Heaven.

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>>31774208
>>31774219
I drive a Mercedes, 98 E320. It's kind of ugly and shit, but it's cozy and I grew up in it.
Two-tone watches are the best. They work for management meetings but I don't look like an asshole when doing a Gemba walk with factory guys.

I have a few other watches, like some old Omega, a Seiko 5 and an old hand-me-down Girard Perregaux. None of them scream /fa/ but they work.

Do you own a 1911?

>>31775847
hi /g/

>>31775400
this.... is actually a pretty damn good analogy.

>>31767563
From least to most expensive:

1. Girsan
2. Ruger
3. Springfield Armory
4. Colt/Dan Wesson

When it comes to buying a new factory 1911 I see no reason to deviate from the above list, ever. RIA's don't seem worth it to me with their spot hardened slides and MIM parts, the Girsan offers solid metallurgy for dirt cheap prices if you can stomach buying guns from a shithole country - somewhat akin to Norinco's 1911s.

>>31767563
SIG 1911s are okay. They had some QC issues in their early run, but they seem to have abated by now. They do have a lot of issues with aftermarket parts. I can't be sure, but I think SIG uses a drastically different technical package than most makers (like inch vs metric with FALs) and it requires pretty much all parts to have some level of fitting. Granted, since SIG offers so many models, you can probably get a gun that has all of the features you want anyway, but just be aware that changing anything is likely to be a headache.

>>31770706
I think anon is saying the Rock Island has a shitty extractor

>>31767563
Get a Coonan 357. It's the best 1911 you could ever have.

>>31776729
>RIA's don't seem worth it to me with their spot hardened slides and MIM parts
The one and only unique 1911 that RIA offers is a doublestack 10mm. The only non-RIA competition for that model is an STI that costs like $3000.

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>>31779238
I have a ria 10mm
I have a STI (not a 10)

in no way does ria compete with STI.

>>31779631
>singlestacks
>missing the point this hard
The point is that nobody but RIA and STI even -offer- a doublestack 10mm.

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Are double stack 9mm 1911/2011s reliable? Say STI?

>>31780904
>double stack 9mm 1911
Just get a hi-power at that point.

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>>31780926
I thought the trigger was different on hi powers? That's my entire reason for a 1911. I already have a striker and DA/SA gun

>>31780807
do you OWN anything from both companies???

shut the fuck up noguns

>>31781572
He wasn't comparing the quality, dingus. He was lamenting the lack of intermediary between a $700-800 RIA and a $3000 STI in the realm of double-stack 10mm 1911s.

>>31781702
>> The only non-RIA competition......

COMPETITION

words have meaning numbnuts
maybe he should have chosen a different term

>>31775847
I have that very same bench made. I usually carry an Emerson but one night I was at a punk show and when I walked out I realized someone put a benchmade in my pocket; properly clipped and all! I would never have beloved it if it didn't happen to me.
Also a proud wonder of a 1911 valtro. Can't get them anymore and it's by far my favorite

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Anyone have experience with the Colt Delta Elite? I've been planning on getting my first 1911 and first 10mm with one handgun. I've handled one once and it seemed very tight and solid.

>>31783373

I don't have one but it still doesn't have full chamber support, I would not recommend giving it anything too hot and your brass is going to be single use only.

>>31783485
Good to know. It's mainly going to be a range toy and an occasional open carry piece. It will probably only be running factory target ammo and sane hand loads.

>>31767563
Everything sig makes is overpriced and some of it is shit. You are paying for the name, since sig is a laughingstock these days you are just throwing away money.

Buy a glock.

>>31783553

A buddy of mine had one and had nothing but problems because the gun literally shot itself to pieces. Things rattling loose constantly

>>31770706
Drop a round in the chamber and slingshot the slide home, that's the point it breaks.

>>31783604
>Implying any extractor could survive doing that for any length of time.
I guess that's the joke.

Anyway, designs aside, internal extractors do suffer from tuning issues and require some skill to fit. At the very least external extractors use a spring to regulate tension (SIG seems to have the whole external extractor game down).
Honestly I think it's a non-issue and people are making a fuss about looks.

>>31783604
That's a pretty retarded thing to do.

>>31784271
It really is looks. That's the only complaint I've heard from 1911 purists I've met.

>>31783577

>You are paying for the name
>Buy a glock.

:^]

>>31784271
External extractors are okay, but they are rarely, if ever, properly tuned for any design (even the modern ones). guns with external extractors need stiffer recoil and magazine springs to ensure rounds can be forced up under the extractor claw and forced into the chamber without stem binding.

While this combination of features would drastically reduce the service life of an internal extractor that's improperly tuned, external extractors are typically more durable and can, thus take the punishment longer without issue. However, stiffer magazine springs will wear out the magazine feed lips faster than traditional weight ones, so a thicker steel should be used.

Basically, external extractor 1911s are some of the few guns that actually require Wilson Combat magazines for long-term reliability and durability.

>>31781290
Meh, plunger style trigger is overrated it's just easier to tune. Get a surplus hi power, 9mm, hammer fired, better ergos, cheaper, and more reliable than any 1911 you can get under 900$. That and 5 minutes of trigger work makes it as good as any 1911 trigger. All for under 500

>>31774124
Could you reason your aversion of the Series 80? or are you against safer guns on principle?

>>31785834
Series 80 guns require more overtravel in their triggers by design and depending on the springs and components used it can be mushy overtravel. It can be mitigated with some aftermarket parts, but to get a truly superb 1911 trigger you need to eliminate it entirely.

Add in that a 1911 without the firing pin safety is only SOMEWHAT likely to go off when dropped if dropped square on the muzzle on a hard surface and most people consider the slight increase in risk a worthy trade-off for the noticeable increase in trigger feel.

That being said, I have shot many a 1911 with a Series 80 safety that has a better trigger than many 1911s that don't. My Series 80 Colt, for example, has a better trigger than my Series 70 Ruger.

tl;dr
On average it doesn't really matter. You only really notice a difference between the very best and very worst examples of each trigger type.

Anyone here have a TRP? Is it worth the extra cost over a Loaded?

I wanted to get the TRP Operator and replace the bull barrel with a bushing to make the Old Snake pistol. Does the Operator slide come with cuts for a bushing stock?

Do other manufactures have to pay royalty to Colt for each 1911 they make?

>>31788381
No weapons officially adopted by the US military loose their patent.
That why everyone makes an AR and a 1911 and why Glock will never get chosen for anything other than spec ops.

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>>31785798
In not poor though so I don't care about polishing up a stupid hi power, I've already got a hammer fired gun. I don't care if it's 2 grand, I just want to know if they're combat or edc reliable.

>>31789542
Look at the 1911 tier chart. It's pretty accurate.

What's more important than cheap milsurp is having a good understanding of your firearm's mechanical parts so if something goes wrong you have the tools and knowledge to troubleshoot it.

>>31773934
This chart is retarded...in what way is a fucking AO better than a Ruger, let alone "high tier"? The RIAs are markedly inferior to every other gun they're grouped with, and memes aside I doubt modern Kimbers belong in the same bracket as RIA...they certainly cost a hell of a lot more, in any case.

>>31773934
>>31790089
Also, no Springfield - and hell, probably no Colt - is "better" than Dan Wesson from a pure performance/build quality perspective.

Local pawn has a S&W 1911 .45 in stainless for $700.
I see the same gun going for $1200 on gun broker.
Should I get it? Never owned a 1911 but want one for reasons.