Sig Sauer False Advertising

Good job op

>>31757040
You are the hero this planet deserves, now you should put that ammo in your butthole.

>>31757040
Sweet, looks like the price of 124gr 9mm ammo is gonna drop.

Thanks OP!

>>31757040
good men like you keep the civilized world civilized.

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>>31757040
This is the ammo in question.
Also I've decided to sell my Legion, it started showing wear after just 200 rounds and had blemishes in the finish anyway.
What should I get?

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Don't worry guys, Sig Sauer Internet Defense Force chiming in. I just reported OP to the highest authorities in the land.

>>31757068
Fuck... seriously? Get out of here. You and this thread are ridiculous.

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>>31757191
Even traded the legion for this fucked up hydragraphic victim of an HK and $200 worth of ammo.
Honestly I'd rather have a high point than a Sig, they have the ethical value of Hillary Clinton.

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>>31758094
>trading a legion for the ugliest possible version of HK's abomination du jour
You are the worst type of gun owner
and that's coming from a guy that loves HK's

>>31757068
>What should I get?
AIDS.

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>>31758094
Acetone
Took some finish off the slide too, gave it a nice patina look.

Much better gun than dishonest Sig.

>>31759935
Did you just let it sit in an acetone bath?

>>31757068
Why didn't you save a few hundred bucks and get the Mk25? It's literally better

>>31760031
No, I used an AR toothbrush and almost 3 hours.

>>31760078
The 938 I owned was one of a plethora that had problems. It was a terrible gun, the 229 was a nice shooter but the rails were aluminum and you have to keep expensive good grease on them for it to not eat itself alive in a short time.
Really nice shooting gun but I don't see how the mk25 would have been better.

The stainless elite is the only one I would even consider if I ever got another sig which I'm not planning to.

>>31760233
Fug I'm trying strip my upper but I wanna be lazy. You did a great job tho

>>31760313
It wiped off the slide almost instantaneously.
The textured stippling was the biggest bitch.
The nooks and crannies were annoying.
The flat spots on the frame also required a lot more scrubbing than you'd think.
However, what I'm saying, the slide took like 4 minutes. The frame took the rest of the time.

>>31757040
WTF, I hate SIG now.

What a waste of your time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_advertising#United_States
>The goal is prevention rather than punishment, reflecting the purpose of civil law in setting things right rather than that of criminal law. The typical sanction is to order the advertiser to stop its illegal acts, or to include disclosure of additional information that serves to avoid the chance of deception. Corrective advertising may be mandated, but there are no fines or prison time except for the infrequent instances when an advertiser refuses to stop despite being ordered to do so

Should have just asked Sig to refund you or give you some free ammo.

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>be le me
>see thread
>mfw when

wtf, I hate sig now.

>>31761711
Oh, I'm not done.

>>31757040
>Their 124gr 9mm claims 443 ft-lbs of energy but is 374 ft-lbs of energy.
Show us your carefully performed measurements proofing your asertion

>>31757040

>caring about 70 ft lbs of energy
>caring about pistol round kinetic energy

Sig is known to be overpriced unreliable shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvuosRHdbis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB-aZYy2v2k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuPOqDlaX6U
All of them had big failures while ARex or Glock came out on top

>>31761992
Not the OP, but the numbers are on the box here: >>31757068 and there's a calculator here:
http://www.pyramydair.com/article/What_is_Muzzle_Energy_August_2003/5

Run the numbers for yourself, he's right. A 124 grain bullet would have to be traveling at 1268 fps or about 100 fps faster to achieve the claimed 443 ft lbs of energy. It's really surprising that Sig managed to fuck something like that up.

>>31762159
It reflects poorly on the company when they can't even print the right numbers on their god damn box.

>>31762338
>Air Gun Energy Calculator
>Claiming assertions on random calculation instead of empirical data
Sig callcenter guy be like
>"Hey Hans, some faggot just called saying our ammo is too weak without presenting any evidences that he's right. What shall I tell him?"
>"Whatever he wants to hear, so he will shut up. No one cares about these fags, Karl."
And now that lil faggot pots about that in his favorite Assyrian carpet weaving forum

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>>31762403
>Claiming assertions on random calculation instead of empirical data
>I don't understand how math works

>>31762538
>doing calculations without really knowing the variables you need
looks like proper math

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>>31762555

>>31762694
Oh boy, the velocity on the package is a minimum, it even says that. Stop pissing yourself because you fell for a marketing trick. The put the minimum of velocity and the maximum of energy attainable in their guns on it.

>>31761992
Op here

374 ft-lbs is what's on their website, they claim that number.

My issue with them isn't an honest misprint, it's that they kept pushing the mislabeled boxes onto consumers after they knew.
It says a lot about them.
They could have issued a product withdrawal or sent out stickers to cover up the number but instead they decided it didn't matter that they were misrepresenting themselves and probably figured they would get extra sales out of it.

>>31762403
Again their numbers and I filled a complaint with the consumer protection services commission subsection of the Federal Trade Commission.
I highly doubt they'll care but they are the ones who force recalls of bad product.

I'm going to write several magazines today most likely.

Just figured id post this little tidbit of info. You can calculate the energy on a bullet in ft/lbs with this formula.

(Bullet weight in grains x (velocity in fps x velocity in fps))/450,000

(124gr x(1165x1165))/450,000=373.99ft/lbs

You know what's fun? Calculating the muzzle energy of really big guns.

Like a 16 inch 50 caliber from Iowa.

It's about 320 million pounds at the muzzle.

>>31763615
Does anyone know the shell weight and muzzle velocity of that 80cm railway gun the Germans used?

>>31763620
Doesn't matter.
It mom would still be able to take it up the cooter.

>>31763620
>>31763620
AP: 7100kg
HE: 4800kg
(FSDS): 2000kg
Velocity:
Small charge: 600m/s
medium: 700 m/s
big: 720 m/s (AP) 820 m/s (HE)
FSDS: 1200 m/s

>>31763676
>1.4 billion pounds of muzzle energy.

Jesus christ Germany

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>>31763695
>nothing beats Kraut brand autism

>>31763557
Anybody that believes that number is fucking retarded due to the lack of a +p+ headstamp or the fact that it's not some boutique ammo. Anyone that buys it believing it is probably too retarded to feel the difference. I don't like Sig and the ruined the only gun on their line that appealed to me, but you are just being a twat

>>31763583
That is a useful tidbit. Thank you.

>>31763557
>>31763542
>>31760233
And a bunch more. I get where you are coming from, I think. But being a brand hater is just as pathetic as being a brand fanboy. Do something better with your weekend.
>>31759935
You did nice on your HK. Props for doing the rescue work.

>>31763583
I've been autistic over muzzle energy for years. It's why I'm here. Here's some quick formulas for estimating energy.

>grains*ft per sec*ft per sec=x
>×/451000= ft/lbs
Or:
>x/332000= joules

It's accurate for small arms, but goes wild past 50 BMG.

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>>31763831
Thanks, I still have a tiny bit more to get off, you can see it in the handle where it says P30 for example and you're not wrong about the other stuff either. For me it just tainted the whole ownership experience though. Plus, I admit SIG has been going downhill. They've got stupid marketing and even the guys at the gun counter that sold me the gun said they'd been getting some back with quality control issues. Then there's this >>31762174

Also, there seems to be some misconception about what the complaint is. So I made a picture for the people in this thread that are even more autistic than myself.

>>31763857
For FRENCH units:
>grams*meter per sec*meter per sec=x
>x/2000=joules
Or to freedomize:
>x/2710=ft-lbs

>>31757040
Too bad sig sauer is literally run by a jew at this point

>>31760078
>Why didn't you save a few hundred bucks and get the Mk25? It's literally better
https://youtu.be/ZvuosRHdbis?t=706
I guess

>>31757040
Autism just works

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WTF I hate sig now

>pistol gets dicked on by an eastern european copy
>ammo gets dicked on by a random fag with a calculator

Rip Sig stocks

>>31757040
Good shit anon. Stick it in their pooper.

>>31757040

Holy shit every day Sig sinks to a new low. It's not bad enough that they're guns don't work, they're ammo doesn't either.

>>31760233
>229 was a nice shooter but the rails were aluminum and you have to keep expensive good grease on them for it to not eat itself alive in a short time.
I always wondered about that. I know a few other firearms with aluminum rails and have questioned that decision.