DA JUDJ

as yankee marshal put it (yeah go ahead and hate me for watching him) its the hummer h2 of the gun world. yeah its big and it looks intimidating but it tries to be 1000 different things and isnt that good for any of them.

that being said i have one and carry it as a second pistol when im hiking camping or fishing, its just a glorified snake gun that can shoot .45 long colt

>>31751199
I was gonna disagree with you until you said snake gun. The judge is just a fun blaster.

With the right ammo it is OK. It is still a revolver, though and a Taurus revolver at that.
With Lehigh 45 colts or Nobel Sport .40s it is actually pretty good for SD. Even for an oversized, old fashioned gun. Three 40 cal balls that meet FBI penetration per squeeze? Not too bad. HPs that open so big they cover four open .45 ACPs? Pretty gud, m8. I have one but it simply is not as good as a good pistol. That said, it can be fun.

>>31751163
I got a governor for a wedding present. its fun. practical? maybe, but its just a range toy to me.

>>31751199
>glorified snake gun

Ultimate Snake Gun

its what ice cube and j.lo woulda carried if it was around

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>revolver 'shotgun'
seems kind of neat desu
if only they could solve the sealing issues with revolvers then we could have some neat guns like these

>>31751163
Thunder Five (original, no rifling)
Judge (5" barrel models, fires high with snub version, can fire .454 casull)
Governor (holds 6, fires a tad high with regular ammo, less accurate with .45 etc)

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If you are serious about buying one, make sure to look at it in person first; you would be surprised just how long the damn thing is

>>31751324
York don't even really need to fix it, just make a solid like the Rossi guns do, the only reason they didn't do it in the cap and ball days is because they were afraid of chainfires

My grandpa uses it to tell bears to fuck off when he goes up to Alaska

Being able to shoot the not brutal self defense round ever created.


http://youtu.be/7bLonprIWm4

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>carrying a 410
Maybe if you want to die.

>>31751462
>12 guage revolver pistol
why do I want this

I own the poly version in a 2.5" barrel.
It's....OK, hitting a 2" group at 15 yards is a tall order with 45lc. Never tried 45 Schofield through it though
the shotgun is bretty much useless after 10 feet, coupled with there not being a lot of good 410 loads.

It's a passable nightstand gun, truck gun, snake gun, and range toy, but there are better tools for each of those needs

>>31751163
The S&W Governor is the best nightstand gun that money can buy.
>simple point and shoot gun that even a half asleep idiot can fire without glasses.
>the reliability of a revolver
>no safety to fuss with
>no magazine to fuss with
>Tritium night sights
>with buckshot, each pull of the trigger is the equivalent of firing four .22LR rounds at the same time, in a head size grouping at 20ft, thus greatly increasing the chances of getting a lethal head shot.
>You can use 45 ACP moon clips for fast reloading after the buckshot runs out.

The only reason .410 handguns get a bad rep is because people use the wrong ammo. Only use buckshot; don't use birdshot or 45 ACP as the primary load.

>>31751544
I kinda always figured that would be the one niche it would be good at.

Even with buckshot .410 aint all that impressive, but in point blank ranges like a home invasion scenario it would do okay.

I would rather a full size 12 guage or my .45 but being a revolver and having some shot spread it would be a great gun to keep around for the wife to have access to.

Its simple enough to use shes not gonna panic and short-stroke it like a shotgun, or forget to take the saftey off like a semi-auto, and if she points it down a hallway and unloads it she has a better chance of hitting something.

>>31751544
>>31751582
I also forgot to mention that it's a lot easier to hide and move in close quarters with a hand gun.

I once almost got home invaded and learned the hard way that it is really hard to move around in a house with a long barrel gun. Also, loading a round into a chamber gave away my position; thats not a problem for a revolver.

>>31751607
Who the hell keeps a gun unloaded?

>>31751475
I dunno but I'm learning Solidworks and CAD to make my dream a reality.

With a permit, silly ATF

>>31751614
Folks with small children or those who live with retards.

>>31751686
By that logic a revolver is harder because you would need to use a speed loader or load one by one manually in the dark

>>31751324
>if only they could solve the sealing issues in revolvers
Didn't the Nagant revolver fix this issue almost 130 years ago?

>>31751626
Dont waste your time with solidworks its shit. Just skip ahead and learn CATIA, it is far more powerful.

>>31751716
Yeah, and resulted in a 4 metric ton trigger pull.

>>31751462
How can it fire while also protect hand wrist?

>>31751755
But the interface intimidates me...
>>31751780
We don't need wrists where we're going.

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>>31751785
>CATIA or nothing.

>>31751769
The trigger pull is heavy even in single action, I think it's just a crappy trigger overall and not so much the gas seal

>>31751816
True enough. Cant complain too much, I bought the stupid thing for like $75, and like everything else the ruskies built its gonna still be functional 200 years from now.

>>31751785
If it doesn't care about break wrist, why not making larger bore gun of single shot? like short 88mm round

Is it worth it to try and make wax slugs out of .410? Also would wax slugs probabaly be a bad idea with a revolver because of the cylinder gap?

>>31751873
Just make sure they don't get into the lettuce patch

>>31751854
Because it's already .75 caliber and anything else would be annoying to make.

Also with the mass needed for it to not explode in your hand it probably won't have much more kick than a normal shorty shotgun pistol probably less.

>>31751873
It'll probably turn to buckshot once it hits the rifling and forcing cone

>>31751544
According to this video each of the 4 00buck shots is the same diameter as a 9mm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDMDd4eAQO0

around 4:30

>>31752018
ops. 000buck my bad.

>>31752018
energy, not bullet dimension, is what is important. energy does the work of destroying tissue - creating that wound cavity - killing etc.

Each pellet of 000 buckshot coming out of a revolver carries approximately the same kinetic energy as a .22LR round (~155 joules). So the amount of tissue damage that each pellet causes is roughly equivalent to a .22LR round, with the added benefit that you won't get over penetration with a pellet like you might get with a close range .22LR head shot. In sum, all four pellets will do a little more damage than a 45 ACP round, with the added benefit that you get a shot spread that increases the chances of getting a critical head shot.

>>31752057
Each pellet was penetrating 18 inches of ballistic jell. So ya over penetration can be an issue.

>>31752075
The majority of the reviews I've seen show ~8-10 inch penetration:
http://410handguns.com/410_gel_results.html#Fed_01

Most be differences in gel densities.

All I know is that a .22LR will go through a deer's head, and thus should also go through a human's head. The wider buckshot should slow down quicker, depositing more of its energy into the head.

I have a s&w governor as my concealed carry, no one can tell I have on on me at pretty much any given time

It has a modified trigger and is butter to fire, I practice with it every time I head to the range and am consistent with shot placement. I also use the kinds of ammo specifically for a judge with the deep penetration and tight grouping that come with them

I hope I never have to pull the thing in a life or death scenario, but I am fully confident in my 6 shots of buck that I will be able to take someone down quick with just a pull or two of the trigger

>>31752108
this guy was also getting some of his 000buck to pass all the way though 16 inches of ballistic jell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE65-hrwC-I
5:50

>>31751163
you can load a bunch of different types of ammo calibers and styles so your sights are always off and not consistent so you have a lot of extra excuses for why you missed what you were shooting at because you wanted to use the .410 anyway and everyone knows shotgunshells get that spread so you might be able to hit a barn
seems like it'd make a neat little hiking gun tho depending on how hot of .45lc it can take

>>31751163
governor carbine when

>>31751313
nigger

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>>31752295
Rossi makes one called the circuit judge.

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>>31751163
>Is there any practical use for this gun and others like it?
lehigh's .45lc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bLonprIWm4

>>31752369
i want one of these so bad

>>31753238
From what I hear they are kinda unimpressive.

The shallow rifling required to not be considered a DD means shot spread is super shitty whilst also garunteeing that it doesnt perform all that well as a .45 LC carbine either.

Not TERRIBLE, mind you. Just not great. Kind of one of those cases of trying to do 2 things at once and whilst not failing, also not really excelling either.

>>31753296
It's .45 caliber. The shallow rifling is to make it more effective as a shotgun not to skirt some imaginary ATF classification.

>>31753296
>Not TERRIBLE, mind you. Just not great. Kind of one of those cases of trying to do 2 things at once and whilst not failing, also not really excelling either.
DESU that's actually pretty impressive considering it's made by Taurus.

>>31753296
>The shallow rifling required to not be considered a DD
>a DD
that's only if the bore is over .5"

.45" is not.

>>31753445
>45 is less than 5

Fucking retard.

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I got mine for the same reasons a lot of people did. I carry it on the trail for a campsite gun and and small game. Plus, it's bretty gud at blasting cans in the back yard and making your friends laugh just because of its sheer ridiculousness.

That being said, I already was reloading .45 Colt and it's my bed stand gun simply because it was my first DA pistol.

>>31753296
it excels at being one of the most beautiful rifles ever.

it actually being functional is a bonus.

So I won one a Judge in a raffle and ending up selling it a year later. It's a fun range toy but unless I was shooting a snake from 5 feet away I can't see any use for it.

.410 is a poor choice for self defense, even the defense loads are pretty meh and spread quickly thanks to the shallow rifling.

.45LC is a stout round, but there plenty of guns that shoot it better. Or you can go with a more plentiful round in a easier to carry gun with higher capacity, like a .45ACP semi-auto.

It's a fun toy, but I wouldn't choose it to defend my life. Also for something that people take camping, the blued verison hated moisture, to the point that there was surface rust on the trigger and in serial number engraving.

>>31751515
Not a lot of good .410? Nigger what. There's a lot of options, with the obvious limitations of the .410. I carry Federal 000 buck. Good spread and penetration . Carried PDX1 defense round but didn't like the spread. The 00 buck is good. The bird shot is fun. 2 /12 and 3 inch options all around.

>>31753930
Bro I have bad news for you. I didn't want to have to tell you like this, but here it goes... I think you might be retarded. PDX1 is obvious shit. I mean if you looked at the gay picture on the box and saw it was a couple of frisbees and some bird shot and still chose to carry it for SD... That's a clear symptom of diminished capacity. I'm sorry. I will help you pick out a helmet if you want.

>>31753654
Don't agree with the defense rounds being bad. They pack a punch if you can land it. But yeah, the bluing rusts constantly and everywhere. It's ridiculous

>>31753971
PDX1 in 12 gauge is good, so I bought the .410. And I wasn't disapointed. It does what it says. Good snake round. Not every one is looking for a hand cannon that can puncture ten inches of steel at a mile. You fucking autist.

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>>31753457

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>>31751462
>Thunder Five
>that file name

>>31754043
Uh, no. PDX1 12 gauge sucks, too. You have your choice of 8, 9, 12, or 15 chances at hitting a vital organ or you can have... 4. Yeah, garbage. You have no idea what you're doing. Maybe we can get you one of those three wheeled bike things with big orange triangles on a stick so people won't run you over.

>>31754256
What on earth are you on about? Have you ever even held a gun?

>>31754256
I don't even know what you're referring to, but you sound like one of those people who think the only option is 45. Do you even own a firearm?

>>31754256
>what is shot placement
>what are slugs

>>31751199
>yankee marshal
Hey, Yankee's a good guy. Not the brightest, but he makes some good points and doesn't claim to be what he isn't.

>>31753654
>.410 is a poor choice for self defense, even the defense loads are pretty meh and spread quickly thanks to the shallow rifling.

It's a nightstand gun, you're going to be shooting at targets ~10-30 feet away, not targets 150 feet away. The spread of the buckshot is perfect for its intended use.

Each pull of the trigger gives you 4 pellets on target. 5 or 6 rounds X 4 pellets = 20-24 pellets on target within a second or two; with each pellet having a chance to get a lethal head shot. Good luck trying to get that many shots on target using any other nightstand gun.

>>31752304
i bet you think snakes on a plane is better than anaconda

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>>31755171

Based on my time with the Judge, the defense loads with BBs spread massively after about 3 yards, the buckshot will spread too widely after about 7.

I don't live alone in a basement. If the spread is larger than yo' mamma's cunt, those pellets could harm someone or something I care about. I'd rather get decent night sights and a flashlight on a semi-auto pistol loaded with JHPs. Shot placement is important, and if you own a gun you are obligated to learn to shoot it accurately. I'd rather aim my shots than depend on "chance."

>>31753930
410 is inherently a bad shotgun load, and putting it behind a 2.5 - 6" barrel doesn't do it any favors. it only got thrown into this abomination of a gun because the dimensions happened to be similar enough for 45 colt and 454 casull

GREAT nightstand gun for wifey. Period.
Aim at Door, when it moves, shoot 2 or 3 times.
NOBODY will come in after that.

GREAT nightstand gun for wifey. Period.
Aim at Door, when it moves, shoot 2 or 3 times.
NOBODY will come in after that.
Meant to say with .410 pdx1's or 00 buck

>>31755003
>>31755003
>>31754858

Samefag. KYS.

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>>31756016
Uhhuh. Or you're just wrong

>>31756062
That doesn't mean shit for mobile poster. You are dumb and have a fat pussy.

>>31751199
This. It's a snake gun that might also defend you from a coyote or pig in a pinch.

>>31756113
Jesus H. Christ you are one salty little bitch.

>>31756259
Listen nigger, there is no way three people who know literally nothing about terminal ballistics came in this thread at roughly the same time. You're a sad fucking NEET who samefags. The world would be better without you. I'm truly sorry I shot my load into your mother. I regret it daily. Please end my pain and KYS.

>>31755034
>doesn't claim to be what he isn't
He does, at the very start of every single one of his videos.

>>31756583
Lol kid. Terminal ballistics isn't a thing. It's a cringed meta buzz word regarding terminal velocity (having nothing to do with fatal) and ballistics. So keep on showing us how noguns you are. You black dick cucked faggot

>>31753296
I really thought it was kind of a meme gun but that's a scary bullet desu
kind of a cool concept they would choose a random gun and build some very specific bullets for it

>>31756782
wow

>>31756583
>three people
>quotes two posts, one of them twice

>>>>>>>>>>>>questioning anyones intelligence ever.

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I hunt ptarmigan/grouse with mine. Nothing is funnier than nogunz making comments on something they know nothing about.

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>>31757822
S&W Governor shooting .410 4 shot federal defense loads

>>31751163
Hickock45 did a video with it and i was actually impressed with it by the end.

Ammo is critical, buy the shells developed specifically for revolver .410s.

>>31757840
From a utilitarian perspective, are those grips better than the stock grips?

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>>31760109
Yes, they are full size

>>31753445
I think he meant AOW, since no rifling (for the .410) would be an AOW

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if the NFA wasn't a thing it'd be the perfect gun for shooting .410-based piston cartridges. The length of the cylinder means more travel for the piston.

>>31751544
>no magazine to fuss with
>You can use 45 ACP moon clips for fast reloading after the buckshot runs out.

I can't believe you actually typed both of these in the same post. Goddamn this is retarded

>>31751163
it was originally marketed to be good for snakes and small rodents. I assume that and the governor are indeed useful for that. It's small enough to conceal, moreso if you get a public defender and it will certainly work for defense but there are better revolvers for CC for less money.

It became a self-defense meme for a while because a few companies were making boutique .410 self-defense loads with watch battery sized discs mixed with buck and birdshot. That was basically a gimmick, their performance tended to not be predictable/consistent and therefor not as useful as a normal load.

If you like it and want one, then by all means buy one. I recommend sticking with a good defense load in .45 colt if you plan on using it for self-defense. .410 birdshot for snakes and rats.

>Taurus SCOTUS

my sides have been found to be unconstiutional and are no longer in this country.